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Jones Bones
Burning Napalm
Posted - 2011.06.28 10:56:00 - [271]
 

Eye patches. Ask them if there will be eye patches. Ignore the rest of these plebs who won't bother investing in their primary hobby.

Lyrrashae
Minmatar
Crushed Ambitions
Posted - 2011.06.28 11:05:00 - [272]
 

Originally by: Jennifer Nardieu
The extraordinary meeting is the final answer that all of us were seeking.

The reason its a meeting is not because of working out how to say "yes or no" to a "will there be P2W features" but rather a "How can we ease the transition across to a P2W business model while minimising the backlash from the community" meeting.

My judgement is already made to that end, I will continue to play EVE until I feel that it is no longer possible to participate further without investing additional money on top of my subscription in order to remain competitive.


Aaaaaand...This!

Hormus
Posted - 2011.06.28 11:06:00 - [273]
 

Originally by: AnzacPaul
Sorry White Tree but whilst I get your sentiment, you can't convince me for a second that a company is going to go against the advice of marketers, economists, "professionals in the field"; to listen to a bunch of quote "computer nerds".

Do you meet with the shareholders at all? I seen a list a couple of days ago that says Hilmar owns 2% of shares in CCP. Regardless of how much he loves Eve, he doesn't have a choice when the majority say "Eve needs to make more money".

I appreciate your attempt to calm the people though.




That's it. But I don't appreciate your attempt to calm the people. Our anger is our (and yours) only bargaining card.

Larissa Sunsorrow
Posted - 2011.06.28 11:12:00 - [274]
 

We don't have CCP as an enemy. We just dislike the lack of communication and transparency. CCP knows that we aren't kids. We would understand if they told us that they're having financial problems, that they need money, that they need new ways to fund their new projects. We aren't a bunch of teenagers with $1000 pants, but yes, we can afford a bit more expensive monthly fee and all we want is to be heard.

good luck to all csm.
and **** my grammar.

Lyrrashae
Minmatar
Crushed Ambitions
Posted - 2011.06.28 11:15:00 - [275]
 

Originally by: Sylthi
You really think you have the power to sway CCP from their plans to bail themselves out of their dreadful mismanagement with more of OUR money that they haven't earned?

More power to you. But, as for me, I say: PROVE IT.

MAKE THEM LISTEN. MAKE THEM GIVE US WHAT WE WANT. MAKE THEM SAY: "No Non-Vanity MT EVER."

Unless you can do that. NOW. With THIS meeting. You, and all the other CSMs that are now and ever will be are exactly what I have always said: Cheap CCP PR stunt. Nothing more. Nothing less.

Go. Go to Iceland. See what your corporate masters give you PERMISSION to say when you come back.

/out


This. This! THIS!!!!

To put it a bit more charitably: Proof or GTFO/STFU. But then, we'll be seeing that proof, one way or the other--um, eeermmm...well, soon, won't we.

Eclorc
Posted - 2011.06.28 11:24:00 - [276]
 

While I can understand the desire to tread carefully, the fact of the matter is that there is strong evidence to support the suspicion that we players have been lied to, and are still being lied to (if only by omission).

We've gone from "No MT in Eve" to "Vanity-ONLY MT in Eve" to leaks that demonstrate CCP are at least considering non-vanity items for RL cash via Aurum.
More hints of their path can be demonstrated through the removal and addition of content to trial product ideas, and prepare ground for further steps. No I cba to list them all but anyone that's followed this fiasco knows about them.

The total disregard for our worth shown in CCP's inability to answer a simple question "Will you be adding non-vanity items to the in-game store" hints very strongly indeed that we have been lied to once again.
If that is the case, fine. Folks will know where they stand, and can move on with a sad face.

Personally I would prefer that the CSM took this stance:

"CCP must state unequivocally, for the players and world to see, that non-vanity items will NOT be added to the in-game store: if CCP does state this, then the CSM will talk with you about where to go from here. If CCP will not state this, then CCP will merely be confirming the previous lies and misdirections are planned to continue. We have been lied to and misled before, but no more."

An simple YES or NO answer should be given to the big yellow question, before any further negotiation takes place. Anything else is just confirming the worst fears of the community.


Narisa Bithon
Caldari
The Motley Crew Reborn
Posted - 2011.06.28 11:27:00 - [277]
 

Edited by: Narisa Bithon on 28/06/2011 11:36:25
Dear OP/CSM
while your in your emergency meeting please discuss the serious balance issues as well as the current MT and performance issues.

try to get these issues prioritised sooner rather than later.

balancing issues deemed urgent:

1. Supercaps - fact they are simply too overpowered right now. - maybe introduce a capital warp disruptor that locks onto jump drive signatures only
2. Hybrids - fact they are woefully underpowered right now - (Rails in particular)
3. Pos's - these are too underpowered now we have so many capitals - possibly allow alliance pos gunning as a balance fix to this and a 50% powergrid and cpu buff to all pos towers.
4. Dreads - these are more or less made obsolete by supercarriers
5. Bots - while the NC bots may have been toppled we still have the DRF bots that still need to be dealt with.
6. Moons - seriously need better distribution to enable a fairer chance for everyone.
7. T1 Mining Barges need a slight buff to tank, may be each give 2 more mid slots & T2 Exumer's should just get a additional low slot.
8. ECCM needs a buff...ECM is too powerful vs ECCM at present



ExcalibursTemplar
Caldari
Citadel Enterprises
Posted - 2011.06.28 11:34:00 - [278]
 

Edited by: ExcalibursTemplar on 28/06/2011 11:37:46
Originally by: White Tree
So here we stand now at a crossroads. We've had documentation on the state of internal dialog with CCP made public, we've had analyses of CCPs 'apparent' financial affairs, we've caused a thunderous rumble that the entire gaming world has paid attention too. We've brought Jita to a halt and our collective outrage has caused CCP to stop on a dime and swing towards us with open ears. The CSM has been summoned for an emergency meeting, something that has only happened once before.

So now it may be time to reflect on what we've done. As a community we've come together to express our collective outrage, something I'm personally impressed and excited about. That seems strange though, to use the word 'excited', doesn't it? It's not that I'm not worried but my 'excitement' comes from this communities ability to be so loud, so mighty and so powerful that for brief moments in time we are nothing short of glorious supernovae in the proverbial galaxy of pinpoints that is gaming as a medium.

So, what do we do now? For me, and as many of the CSMs that can make it we will carry the torch of outrage to CCP. We'll stand at Zeus's foot and in your name we'll roar so loud that Olympus will shake. But this is where your opinions and mine may diverge, friends. I don't see our custodians of content as enemies. I can't because I've seen CCP Soundwave reminisce with CSM Seleene about some of the greatest events in EVEs history because he was there. I've sat and talked to CCP Tallest about how this game is balanced, and when I thought he might be getting bored of me he pulled me back because he wanted to talk about EVE with the sort of passion only someone who plaid the damn game would have. I've watched CCP Hilmar (an enemy as we've made him) tell The Mittani about how people in the gaming industry laughed at him when he talked about EVE, and yet here we all are. We walked through the art department knowing that these people spend many a night actually sleeping at the office and working into the wee hours because this was and still is their passion.

CCP isn't really an enemy to me and hey I'm sorry if you don't like that. CCP isn't infallible, they've boned this one, yeah I'm going to tell you that because its the truth. But they've never been infallible, so its our job to make sure that we steer them in the right direction because without the community Captaining this great ship to her ports of call we're all going to sink.

So what I'm asking you for now, as your CSM, as a member of the community and as an EVE player is a moment of patience. They know they fumbled the ball and they're calling half-time to sort their heads and we're going to be the coach that gives them the pep talk and sets them straight so that we, the denizens of New Eden can continue to enjoy this entirely unique and intricate experience.







Right now im confussed the CSM have had very little to do with the protest but when i have seen CSM members (no names will be mentioned) since the last DEV blog. They've either said nothing about what we are doing and have just said tell them what we want (usually linking to a post they have made). Or they have said continue with the protest so it gives them maximum clout when they get to Iceland to try and sort this mess out with CCP.

Can you please get your fellow CSM members to all come togethor and make a unified statement saying exactly what you want us protestors to do.

Lyrrashae
Minmatar
Crushed Ambitions
Posted - 2011.06.28 11:36:00 - [279]
 

Originally by: Velvet Dream
Edited by: Velvet Dream on 28/06/2011 02:59:03
Edited by: Velvet Dream on 28/06/2011 02:56:34Also, AUR items can be sold on contracts, so the USD->PLEX->ISK->AUR->ISK->whatever


It's apropos nothing else whatsoever, but rebutting your arguments has been done enough everywhere else, soooooo...

...You do realise you live on a planet, right? And that on this planet there exist countries other than America?

Gil Roland
Posted - 2011.06.28 11:36:00 - [280]
 

Originally by: White Tree
So, what do we do now?




Hey CSM, welcome to the party guys. Both you and CCP know exactly what this mess is all about. We can talk forever, but the only thing the rioters (and unsubscribed) wanna hear is: "CCP is not going to add *EVER* non-vanity items in microtransactions stores. CCP is not going to sell *EVER* any game advantage for real money".

Now, gotta say I'm a little bit worried that a guy like this is going to have a major role in current negotiations with CCP:

Originally by: The Mittani


this thread is gay and i don't give a **** what you think, p. much vOv

~toodles~
(source: http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1536732&page=6#159 )

That said, this maybe 50 or 60 years old man acting like a child is not the only CSM member, so chance are that this mess can still be recovered. Of course is up to the other CSM members (like you, White Tree), and CCP guys to recover.

Also i think could be a good idea ask for unbanning of Helicity and the other guy (I'm sorry, can't remember the name) banned from CCP at the time of the leaked newsletter.

(On a side note, before someone start flaming on my english, gotta say english is not my primary language)

Xia Long
Two Brothers Mining Corp.
R.A.G.E
Posted - 2011.06.28 11:38:00 - [281]
 

So White Tree:

1- what are you (as CSM not just u) goin to ask to CCP?can you let us peons know?
2- what's the point behiond which you will stand up and leave the meeting?
3- once the meeting will be over, how long will it take for you (even better CCP) to let us have our answers?
4- ok this is your position, what about the other CSM guys? considering we'r "forced" to count on you, i guess we should really need
to know what ALL of you guys think about the situation


I didn't vote for any of you (guess i'm not alone tbh), now i'm forced to depend of you, guess you can understand why i'm asking those questions

Misanth
RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE
Posted - 2011.06.28 11:39:00 - [282]
 

Originally by: Jones Bones
Eye patches. Ask them if there will be eye patches. Ignore the rest of these plebs who won't bother investing in their primary hobby.


Only if there's a discount for those who are -10.

Lexxxii
Posted - 2011.06.28 11:42:00 - [283]
 

It is obviously vital that MTís for game advancing items should never be brought in, but the issue over CQ being mandatory and not having the old hanger with the option to disembark should not be forgotten and swept under the carpet by CCP.

At the very least, confirmation is needed that the option not to load station environments will not be removed.


Gillaboo
Posted - 2011.06.28 11:43:00 - [284]
 

White Tree:

Would the CSM care to publish a "rough draught" of the points it's going to specifically address during this emergency meeting?

I know, such things should seemingly be obvious at this point -- but let's make sure we're all on the same page.

I realize from your words that concerns "may diverge".... that's fair and reasonable... but I'd like to know how much they might (or might not) "diverge", which I can determine for myself if you offer up a quick list.

Thank you.

Ingvar Angst
Amarr
Nasty Pope Holding Corp
Talocan United
Posted - 2011.06.28 11:44:00 - [285]
 

If you'd be so kind, please tell them that adding comets to wormholes would go a long ways towards restoring my faith in the company as a whole. Well... it would give me a warm and fuzzy.

Assurances that Eve will never go "pay to win" will do wonders.

Enuen Ravenseye
Malevolence.
Posted - 2011.06.28 11:47:00 - [286]
 

Good luck, CSM. I seriously doubt you will leave the meeting with anything other than a sore ass, but I suppose the attempt is at least warranted.

Remember that this is probably THE defining moment for the CSM. You can walk away as heroes or be cast forever as a worthless sham. No pressure!

And to reiterate what others have said: I strongly suggest the the proceedings be streamed live. That's the only way for there to be real transparency. If the meeting isn't public, I'm going to have a hard time believing it even occurred.

Raven God
Texas Inc.
THE SPACE P0LICE
Posted - 2011.06.28 11:53:00 - [287]
 

You know, if they needed more money, all they had to do is tell us and raise the sub price by $5.

There wouldn't be even close to the amount of outrage that there is now

Lee Anderson
Eternal Profiteers
Posted - 2011.06.28 11:54:00 - [288]
 

Originally by: White Tree
So here we stand now at a crossroads. We've had documentation on the state of internal dialog with CCP made public, we've had analyses of CCPs 'apparent' financial affairs, we've caused a thunderous rumble that the entire gaming world has paid attention too. We've brought Jita to a halt and our collective outrage has caused CCP to stop on a dime and swing towards us with open ears. The CSM has been summoned for an emergency meeting, something that has only happened once before.

So now it may be time to reflect on what we've done. As a community we've come together to express our collective outrage, something I'm personally impressed and excited about. That seems strange though, to use the word 'excited', doesn't it? It's not that I'm not worried but my 'excitement' comes from this communities ability to be so loud, so mighty and so powerful that for brief moments in time we are nothing short of glorious supernovae in the proverbial galaxy of pinpoints that is gaming as a medium.

So, what do we do now? For me, and as many of the CSMs that can make it we will carry the torch of outrage to CCP. We'll stand at Zeus's foot and in your name we'll roar so loud that Olympus will shake. But this is where your opinions and mine may diverge, friends. I don't see our custodians of content as enemies. I can't because I've seen CCP Soundwave reminisce with CSM Seleene about some of the greatest events in EVEs history because he was there. I've sat and talked to CCP Tallest about how this game is balanced, and when I thought he might be getting bored of me he pulled me back because he wanted to talk about EVE with the sort of passion only someone who plaid the damn game would have. I've watched CCP Hilmar (an enemy as we've made him) tell The Mittani about how people in the gaming industry laughed at him when he talked about EVE, and yet here we all are. We walked through the art department knowing that these people spend many a night actually sleeping at the office and working into the wee hours because this was and still is their passion.

CCP isn't really an enemy to me and hey I'm sorry if you don't like that. CCP isn't infallible, they've boned this one, yeah I'm going to tell you that because its the truth. But they've never been infallible, so its our job to make sure that we steer them in the right direction because without the community Captaining this great ship to her ports of call we're all going to sink.

So what I'm asking you for now, as your CSM, as a member of the community and as an EVE player is a moment of patience. They know they fumbled the ball and they're calling half-time to sort their heads and we're going to be the coach that gives them the pep talk and sets them straight so that we, the denizens of New Eden can continue to enjoy this entirely unique and intricate experience.






Jita to a halt? do you mean all the little kids from WoW that came to eve?, and got mad cuz they have to ask there parents for more money to get new items? for all the ppl who b!tch you need to leave eve sense us who enjoy it don't care or wanna hear it.

TO CCP: keep it the way it is and lets the kids whine, this game is for adults not whiners.

Rex Liberium
Posted - 2011.06.28 11:57:00 - [289]
 

Originally by: Raven God
You know, if they needed more money, all they had to do is tell us and raise the sub price by $5.

There wouldn't be even close to the amount of outrage that there is now


Dear EVE community we would like to raise sub-fees bij $5, because we are developing WOD and Dust at the exspense of the game you all love and play and need more monies, because our underpaid code-monkies arent typing fast enough.

Raneru
Combat and Recon
Posted - 2011.06.28 11:57:00 - [290]
 

Originally by: Enuen Ravenseye

Remember that this is probably THE defining moment for the CSM. You can walk away as heroes or be cast forever as a worthless sham. No pressure!


Very true.

Its worth remembering that no matter how loud people shout, CCP won't remove aurum completely or CQ, but hopefully a compromise between CCPs vision and the communities needs can be reached.


Asgaurd
Caldari
Posted - 2011.06.28 12:00:00 - [291]
 

Well Said, And do us Proud White Tree.

Piral
Atlas.
Posted - 2011.06.28 12:01:00 - [292]
 

Edited by: Piral on 28/06/2011 12:40:56
FO0KIN BIG BUMP IN THE NIGHT! FROM IRELAND!

(NO)Evil or Very Mad


Also.. I think the CQ is NOT the issue here i think certain people just don't want it because they happen to enjoy station spinning LOL, I love the CQ and i love where it is going.. only CCP have faltered on this thinking they can throw there weight and try and get more money out of us for it without any repercussions.. Evil or Very Mad btw also.. if CCP where too open to our tiny but loud community, i would be as equally as worried for my eve future. To Clarify;

CCP add an option for people to dock into ship in ship hangar, alternatively revamp the fact you dock into your CQ rather than your ship (i think its too much too fast) and people have been delusioned about just how great incarna actually is from being over shadowed by your mishap on the AUR episode. NO to AUR!ugh Yes to INCARNA!ugh Lets be quite clear about this.

CCP artists graphics designers coders programmers etc etc.. Thank YOU guys for working late into the nights for missing your sleep for staying for 2 to 3 days on the throt.. and for living at your desk!Wink Thank you guys for working SO hard on INCARNA! it is so beautiful and i just love it, and i am looking forward to the next part of INCARNA to come (outside our CQ) thank you again.. for bringing ur passion to reality as your vision is something i want to play with and fondle with too bahahaaLaughing anyway on more seriously serious note..

CCP Listen to your customers, not just suits you to or when you are forced to, but always, BUT, to a point.. an equilibrium is absolutely ESSENTIAL here, otherwise we could find ourselves in a blizzard.. you get me. Shocked

LASTLY.. CCP, i know i am only 3 of your subs.. there are many like me.. but these ones are mine! You F!!ck with us.. and rest assured (I) Will quit for ever. I will NOT come back, no matter how many free 5day WBs you send me! ALRIGHTY!!! I hope did make your ears bleed CCP! You deserve to be hauled outside the gates of CCPs converted fishfactory and beaten until you say sorry to our collective selves. (I speak of the individual(s) in charge of this debacle. I personally would like to give you my own virtual dig in the face! HOPE you have a bloody good nose! Lets get back into bed please ime cold!Rolling Eyes

CCP: Will you just.. PLEASE.. just get it RIGHT! PLEASE.. i love this game i jsut got back.. and ime about to start a new adventure in my eve life.. ime looking forward to it.. so.. PLEASE.. just GET... IT.. RIGHT! Thanks for reading. GL CSM

p.s piral was here.. YARRRR!!

Jaxom Asgard
Posted - 2011.06.28 12:04:00 - [293]
 

Edited by: Jaxom Asgard on 28/06/2011 12:04:50
Originally by: Xia Long
I didn't vote for any of you (guess i'm not alone tbh), now i'm forced to depend of you, guess you can understand why i'm asking those questions
If you didn't vote, then you can't really complain about the representation you do or don't get, from those that were elected.

Pookie McPook
Posted - 2011.06.28 12:04:00 - [294]
 

Slap me for it but I agree with White Tree's OP. Hopefully commonsense will eventually break out, both at CCP and on these forums.

Antihrist Pripravnik
Scorpion Road Industry
Posted - 2011.06.28 12:11:00 - [295]
 

Good luck, CSM.

Brainless Bimbo
Minmatar
Posted - 2011.06.28 12:12:00 - [296]
 

Originally by: Lee Anderson

Jita to a halt? do you mean all the little kids from WoW that came to eve?, and got mad cuz they have to ask there parents for more money to get new items? for all the ppl who b!tch you need to leave eve sense us who enjoy it don't care or wanna hear it.

TO CCP: keep it the way it is and lets the kids whine, this game is for adults not whiners.



You donīt get it do you... you probably never will...

eve as is with sub = game
Eve with p2w added = not a game

Advise reading of Animal Farm and 1984





Terrorform
Gallente
Posted - 2011.06.28 12:14:00 - [297]
 

Originally by: Narisa Bithon
Edited by: Narisa Bithon on 28/06/2011 11:36:25
Dear OP/CSM
while your in your emergency meeting please discuss the serious balance issues as well as the current MT and performance issues.

try to get these issues prioritised sooner rather than later.

balancing issues deemed urgent:

1. Supercaps - fact they are simply too overpowered right now. - maybe introduce a capital warp disruptor that locks onto jump drive signatures only
2. Hybrids - fact they are woefully underpowered right now - (Rails in particular)
3. Pos's - these are too underpowered now we have so many capitals - possibly allow alliance pos gunning as a balance fix to this and a 50% powergrid and cpu buff to all pos towers.
4. Dreads - these are more or less made obsolete by supercarriers
5. Bots - while the NC bots may have been toppled we still have the DRF bots that still need to be dealt with.
6. Moons - seriously need better distribution to enable a fairer chance for everyone.
7. T1 Mining Barges need a slight buff to tank, may be each give 2 more mid slots & T2 Exumer's should just get a additional low slot.
8. ECCM needs a buff...ECM is too powerful vs ECCM at present




+1

Amar Azaph
Posted - 2011.06.28 12:16:00 - [298]
 

Originally by: White Tree
So here we stand now at a crossroads. We've had documentation on the state of internal dialog with CCP made public, we've had analyses of CCPs 'apparent' financial affairs, we've caused a thunderous rumble that the entire gaming world has paid attention too. We've brought Jita to a halt and our collective outrage has caused CCP to stop on a dime and swing towards us with open ears. The CSM has been summoned for an emergency meeting, something that has only happened once before.

So now it may be time to reflect on what we've done. As a community we've come together to express our collective outrage, something I'm personally impressed and excited about. That seems strange though, to use the word 'excited', doesn't it? It's not that I'm not worried but my 'excitement' comes from this communities ability to be so loud, so mighty and so powerful that for brief moments in time we are nothing short of glorious supernovae in the proverbial galaxy of pinpoints that is gaming as a medium.

So, what do we do now? For me, and as many of the CSMs that can make it we will carry the torch of outrage to CCP. We'll stand at Zeus's foot and in your name we'll roar so loud that Olympus will shake. But this is where your opinions and mine may diverge, friends. I don't see our custodians of content as enemies. I can't because I've seen CCP Soundwave reminisce with CSM Seleene about some of the greatest events in EVEs history because he was there. I've sat and talked to CCP Tallest about how this game is balanced, and when I thought he might be getting bored of me he pulled me back because he wanted to talk about EVE with the sort of passion only someone who plaid the damn game would have. I've watched CCP Hilmar (an enemy as we've made him) tell The Mittani about how people in the gaming industry laughed at him when he talked about EVE, and yet here we all are. We walked through the art department knowing that these people spend many a night actually sleeping at the office and working into the wee hours because this was and still is their passion.

CCP isn't really an enemy to me and hey I'm sorry if you don't like that. CCP isn't infallible, they've boned this one, yeah I'm going to tell you that because its the truth. But they've never been infallible, so its our job to make sure that we steer them in the right direction because without the community Captaining this great ship to her ports of call we're all going to sink.

So what I'm asking you for now, as your CSM, as a member of the community and as an EVE player is a moment of patience. They know they fumbled the ball and they're calling half-time to sort their heads and we're going to be the coach that gives them the pep talk and sets them straight so that we, the denizens of New Eden can continue to enjoy this entirely unique and intricate experience.






You don't speak for me. No CSM's speak for me- I speak for me, you have no mandate from me. That said, I wish you luck in trying to placate the masses.

MaiLina KaTar
Posted - 2011.06.28 12:20:00 - [299]
 

Edited by: MaiLina KaTar on 28/06/2011 12:25:16
Originally by: Enuen Ravenseye
Remember that this is probably THE defining moment for the CSM. You can walk away as heroes or be cast forever as a worthless sham.

Pfft. Defining moment was when CSM agreed to participate in this farce after CCP practically giving them the finger beforehand.

If you honestly believe this PR stunt is going to accomplish what the supposed professionals over at CCP should be able to do perfectly fine on their own, wake the f***k up. Never happened ever since this council of glorified fanboys existed, and this time around will be no different.

khac
Posted - 2011.06.28 12:25:00 - [300]
 

Originally by: White Tree
The CSM has been summoned for an emergency meeting


Good luck! Cool


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