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Ferasao Ras
Posted - 2011.06.27 19:57:00 - [1]
 

Why is the Tengu the only T3 ship people seem to use for missions?

Professor Villinghopper
Posted - 2011.06.27 20:07:00 - [2]
 

Because its the only one with DPS to range that doesn't suck donkey nuts.

Tarasina
Posted - 2011.06.27 21:14:00 - [3]
 

I can confirm my Loki has never seen donkey nuts.

What mission is that?

Professor Villinghopper
Posted - 2011.06.27 21:18:00 - [4]
 

Its the one where you go to rescue the Damsel so you go out to the farm house and when you get there your brain damaged mission running clone grabs a donkey instead.

Cage Shadownsun
Caldari
Caldari Provisions
Posted - 2011.06.27 21:50:00 - [5]
 

It's possible, from what I've read.

http://eve.battleclinic.com/loadout/27103-Loki-Sheyou.html

That's the fit I had found while looking around. It mentions you do have to get pretty close to the target, but..

Syncs Alt
Caldari
State War Academy
Posted - 2011.06.27 22:20:00 - [6]
 

That fit is awful, you can get a better tank and the same dps from a proper t2 fit.

[Loki, Mission Loki]
Damage Control II
Gyrostabilizer II
Gyrostabilizer II
Gyrostabilizer II

Invulnerability Field II
Kinetic Deflection Amplifier II
Explosion Dampening Amplifier II
Large Shield Booster II
Shield Boost Amplifier II
10MN Afterburner II

220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, EMP M
220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, EMP M
220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, EMP M
220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, EMP M
220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, EMP M
[empty high slot]

Medium Capacitor Control Circuit II
Medium Capacitor Control Circuit II
Medium Core Defence Capacitor safeguard II

Loki Defensive - Adaptive Shielding
Loki Electronics - Tactical Targeting Network
Loki Engineering - Capacitor Regeneration Matrix
Loki Offensive - Projectile Scoping Array
Loki Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst


Acolyte II x5
Hobgoblin II x5

And that was just me spending 30 seconds on it.

Faction it up if you want even better stats but..

@Max skills
DPS 508
Tank 617
speed 752

If you have Leadership skills just add any random alt into your fleet and the tank of course gets better.

Linda Shadowborn
Gallente
Dark Steel Industries
Posted - 2011.06.27 23:21:00 - [7]
 

Originally by: Cage Shadownsun
It's possible, from what I've read.

http://eve.battleclinic.com/loadout/27103-Loki-Sheyou.html

That's the fit I had found while looking around. It mentions you do have to get pretty close to the target, but..


I flew that exact fit for a while (with the targetting subsystem) and while it looks nice on paper (ignore the person just above, his has way less dps due to the lack of range) the constant moving is killing any real efficiency. Switched to tengu and missions went much faster, said screw it and went back to faction battleship and goes even faster (since i am in amarr space).

Trader Hansen
Failure Assured
Posted - 2011.06.28 00:39:00 - [8]
 

Originally by: Professor Villinghopper
Because its the only one with DPS to range that doesn't suck donkey nuts.
This.

I've been wanting to fly Loki on missions for a while, because Tengu is boring as buggery, but I'm a min/maxer and the Loki (or Legion, or LOLProteus) just don't have the range. Sure, their close-range DPS looks nice on paper, but time wasted getting into range means less actual DPS.

Plus the Vargur/Macharial (or hell, even vanilla Minmatard battleships) are far better suited to level 4 missions than the Loki.

Diamaht Nevain
Gallente
Avatar Union
Posted - 2011.06.28 01:35:00 - [9]
 

Originally by: Ferasao Ras
Why is the Tengu the only T3 ship people seem to use for missions?


It's because missile boats really dominate pve at the moment. Best combo of damage, range and tank. I'm sure the Loki wouldn't do horrible, you just won't have the kind of range that a Tengu gives you.

Syphon Lodian
Gallente
Posted - 2011.06.28 01:47:00 - [10]
 

Honestly, I don't know why you'd want to use a T3 cruiser for L4 missions. Wouldn't you prefer a Faction or Pirate Battleship instead? They're the best hi-sec mission runners available, in my opinion.

Ueray Ghekon
Posted - 2011.06.28 02:26:00 - [11]
 

Edited by: Ueray Ghekon on 28/06/2011 02:28:04
Originally by: Cage Shadownsun
It's possible, from what I've read.

http://eve.battleclinic.com/loadout/27103-Loki-Sheyou.html

That's the fit I had found while looking around. It mentions you do have to get pretty close to the target, but..


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Green is tengu

Bossanova Widya
Posted - 2011.06.28 08:05:00 - [12]
 

general thought b4 flying 1 is thinking "thats gonna be 1 super cane"... wen in reality it is more a fleet pvp ship/explorer

its dps is about 100 lower, but it makes up for this by having 2 of the best electronic subsystems/minmatar "even stevens" resists/command bonuses/small sig... and awesome cloaky abilities

drawbacks are; small cargohold, poor(ish) dps and low PG wen not using power core subsystem

Ceti Lomax
Minmatar
Posted - 2011.06.28 17:25:00 - [13]
 

Originally by: Professor Villinghopper
Because its the only one with DPS to range that doesn't suck donkey nuts.


I get about the same DPS out of my basic fit Loki that I get from my basic fit Tengu (~520 dps). The optimal range of the Loki is only about 31k, but it gets to where it needs to be in a hurry (750 m/s with AB). It does much greater damage than the Tengu when using Hail ammo, although the range is restricted to ~15k.

Loki is best against rats with high resists to kinetic damage (eg. angels, drones, sanshas, amarr). Particularly if the rats spawn on top on you. Outstanding ship for doing L4 Angel Buzzkill mission.

xxVastorxx
Posted - 2011.06.28 17:39:00 - [14]
 

i run a proteus in enemies abound. missions with ab fitted. and the drone subsystem added.

Cipher Jones
Minmatar
Posted - 2011.06.28 18:22:00 - [15]
 

Originally by: Diamaht Nevain
Originally by: Ferasao Ras
Why is the Tengu the only T3 ship people seem to use for missions?


It's because missile boats really dominate pve at the moment. Best combo of damage, range and tank. I'm sure the Loki wouldn't do horrible, you just won't have the kind of range that a Tengu gives you.


I have never seen a missile boat that could dominate my mach at mission running. I have more skills in missiles than gunnery and its still faster than a CNR.

A torp golem could mission *as fast*.

Qalix
Posted - 2011.06.28 18:36:00 - [16]
 

Originally by: Cipher Jones
I have never seen a missile boat that could dominate my mach at mission running. I have more skills in missiles than gunnery and its still faster than a CNR.

A torp golem could mission *as fast*.

Perhaps a contest is in order. I didn't think the tengu could be that great, but a pimped tengu (even with the unprobable fit) chews through L4s like a chainsaw. The bonus being I never have to refit or change ammo. Makes missioning a breeze. I know you've been around awhile, so maybe there's some secret to the mach i'm not familiar with.

Deerin
Minmatar
Murientor Tribe
Posted - 2011.06.28 20:32:00 - [17]
 

Because it does excellent damage to a range where other t3's can only dream about....and doesn't sacrifice much while doing that.

If you want to have a loki for mission you can go with the following. Use Crystals to improve tank. You'll have a tiny sig for a cruiser so you can mitigate a lot of damage jus by keeping transversal up. The fallout subsystem gives almost as much effective range as optimal one + it gives drones and more damage.

[Loki, PvE L4 Arties]
Tracking Enhancer II
Tracking Enhancer II
Tracking Enhancer II
Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer
Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer
Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer

10MN Afterburner II
Gistum B-Type Medium Shield Booster
Caldari Navy Invulnerability Field
Caldari Navy Shield Boost Amplifier

720mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma M
720mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma M
720mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma M
720mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma M
720mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma M
720mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma M

Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I
Medium Projectile Collision Accelerator II

Loki Defensive - Amplification Node
Loki Electronics - Dissolution Sequencer
Loki Engineering - Power Core Multiplier
Loki Offensive - Projectile Scoping Array
Loki Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst


Hobgoblin II x5



Headerman
Minmatar
Quovis
Shadow of xXDEATHXx
Posted - 2011.06.29 02:45:00 - [18]
 

Get a Vargur

Borun Tal
Minmatar
Space Pods Inc
Posted - 2011.06.29 05:03:00 - [19]
 

I was curious about that, too... Missile and projectile are my preferred weps, but I honestly can't see how projectile can beat missiles. Not sure if the 22 days for Minnie Cruiser L5 are worth it, tho... Reading with interest.

DeBingJos
Minmatar
Goat Holdings
Posted - 2011.06.29 12:19:00 - [20]
 

Originally by: Borun Tal
Not sure if the 22 days for Minnie Cruiser L5 are worth it, tho... Reading with interest.


Minnie Cruiser V is never wasted it gives access to : Rapier, Vagabong, Scimitar, Sleipnier (with some extra skills), ... All of them good ships!

Sathiran Endis
Posted - 2011.06.29 13:23:00 - [21]
 

Originally by: Ceti Lomax
I get about the same DPS out of my basic fit Loki that I get from my basic fit Tengu (~520 dps). The optimal range of the Loki is only about 31k, but it gets to where it needs to be in a hurry (750 m/s with AB). It does much greater damage than the Tengu when using Hail ammo, although the range is restricted to ~15k.

Loki is best against rats with high resists to kinetic damage (eg. angels, drones, sanshas, amarr). Particularly if the rats spawn on top on you. Outstanding ship for doing L4 Angel Buzzkill mission.



520 DPS in a Tengu? Should be 800-ish with fury heavy missiles, which also have way better damage application against smaller targets and their range is beyond your locking range.

Simply put, Tengu FTW

Songbird
Gallente
T.I.E. Inc.
Posted - 2011.07.01 14:16:00 - [22]
 

loki, proteus suck, legion might be somewhat used in amarr space , where enemies are weak to therm/em


 

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