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Siestre Vitale
Blue Republic
Posted - 2011.06.27 15:07:00 - [31]
 

Edited by: Siestre Vitale on 27/06/2011 15:09:38
Originally by: Harcosi
Originally by: Siestre Vitale
Originally by: Darth Helmat
Originally by: Terminal Insanity

In short: You whiners are doing more damage to eve then CCP has this last week. Your mindless speculation and heard mentality is whats sinking this ship. Not CCP.


Bollox sorry. CCP could easily have put this right, they could easily have answered the question in the big yellow font.


they did, and your still *****ing.




Link and/or quote please?


"there are no and never have been plans to sell "gold ammo" for Aurum" - CCP zulu

(i asuming you ment the question regarding "P2W" items?)

Linkage

edited for linkage

Dopesick
Minmatar
The Ankou
Raiden.
Posted - 2011.06.27 15:07:00 - [32]
 

Originally by: Mr Epeen
Originally by: Terminal Insanity
Is all the pointless negative press that EVE/CCP is recieving over this.

Consider the following:
1) CCP has confirmed in their devblog there will be no non-vanity items in the NeX store.
2) You're all whining about non-vanity items in the plex store which dont exist.
3) these disconnected news companies pick it up and fly with the bull**** rumors you kids have manufactured
4) some future eve pilot decided to play another game instead
5) you're killing your own ****ing game, and CCP isnt selling non-vanity items that you're condeming them for.

In short: You whiners are doing more damage to eve then CCP has this last week. Your mindless speculation and heard mentality is whats sinking this ship. Not CCP. So when membership numbers are down and you're not finding anyone to kill anymore, just remember who that was.


I beg to differ

This whole situation is nothing but good for EVE.

1) Protest creates media interest
2) Media links visually exiting video of Jita destruction
3) People who never heard of eve see video on every site they look at.
4) Huge number of people grab free trials to see what the fuss is all about
5) Massive influx of new player subs

So, in short, the whiners are actually one EVE's best new player recruitment tools at this time.

Bravo
Your logic is severly flawed...

If CCP can confirm there will be no P2W MT, then
a lot of people will resub having added to the universe by bringing so much attention and new players to Eve.

If CCP does add P2W MT, some of the new curious players might stay, some might leave. The one's who have caused the uproar will be gons and you along with the rest of the playerbase that evidently have no concept of what sandbox gaming is, will be left in a shell of what Eve used to be.

Diomedes Calypso
Aetolian Armada
Posted - 2011.06.27 15:10:00 - [33]
 

The sadest part about this is the very genre of virtual worlds is shifting to a model, that destroys the very notion of virtual reality.

... and unnecessarily.. they were profitable on an admission based model ... trying to make more with a different model is like selling more and moreadvertisements at movie theatres.. or maybe forcing intermeissions with advertisments in them? It takes away from the experience.

Harcosi
Posted - 2011.06.27 15:11:00 - [34]
 

Originally by: Siestre Vitale
"there are no and never have been plans to sell "gold ammo" for Aurum" - CCP zulu

(i asuming you ment the question regarding "P2W" items?)


And exactly what does that mean? If they introduce MT for Ships/Modules, how are you going to argue that "Gold Ammo" covers that? It doesn't, as much as everyone wants it to (Myself included).

Dopesick
Minmatar
The Ankou
Raiden.
Posted - 2011.06.27 15:14:00 - [35]
 

Edited by: Dopesick on 27/06/2011 15:14:40
Originally by: Siestre Vitale
"there are no and never have been plans to sell "gold ammo" for Aurum" - CCP zulu

(i asuming you ment the question regarding "P2W" items?)

Linkage

edited for linkage


That isn't definitive...

Had he said - "There will never be P2W MT in Eve online"

...you would see the majority of the uproar die down.

Politicians and businessmen are experts at open ended replies.

Cipher Jones
Minmatar
Posted - 2011.06.27 15:17:00 - [36]
 

Edited by: Cipher Jones on 27/06/2011 15:18:11
Originally by: Terminal Insanity
Is all the pointless negative press that EVE/CCP is recieving over this.

Consider the following:
1) CCP has confirmed in their devblog there will be no non-vanity items in the NeX store.
2) You're all whining about non-vanity items in the plex store which dont exist.
3) these disconnected news companies pick it up and fly with the bull**** rumors you kids have manufactured
4) some future eve pilot decided to play another game instead
5) you're killing your own ****ing game, and CCP isnt selling non-vanity items that you're condeming them for.

In short: You whiners are doing more damage to eve then CCP has this last week. Your mindless speculation and heard mentality is whats sinking this ship. Not CCP. So when membership numbers are down and you're not finding anyone to kill anymore, just remember who that was.


The problem is CCP came out a year ago and said that there were no plans for MT at all.

It was worded ambiguously like that so that later on down the line they could simply say it wasn't in the plans at the time of the statement (I pointed this out at the time it was said).

The minute this information became outdated CCP had an obligation to alert their playerbase.

In my eyes this is incredibly unethical, as many of us based our business decision to keep playing EvE on the information given.

Secondly, it alerts me to the very well founded assumption that CCP will continue to do whatever the hell they want, and keep it under wraps as long as possible.




Siestre Vitale
Blue Republic
Posted - 2011.06.27 15:18:00 - [37]
 

Originally by: Harcosi
Originally by: Siestre Vitale
"there are no and never have been plans to sell "gold ammo" for Aurum" - CCP zulu

(i asuming you ment the question regarding "P2W" items?)


And exactly what does that mean? If they introduce MT for Ships/Modules, how are you going to argue that "Gold Ammo" covers that? It doesn't, as much as everyone wants it to (Myself included).


Well my argument is simple.. If they do sell anything, ie ship skins, modules, ammo etc that give a bonus of any type to a player then they are considered "golden ammo"

If however they are purley cosmetic in nature, then who cares? everything will be availible on the market at some point for isk anyway so you will be able to have such luxuries.. assuming youve got the isk

Azztoroid
Shipwreck cove
Posted - 2011.06.27 15:18:00 - [38]
 

To eplain abit why me and others did protest (or whine, cry, tearbiscuit etc)

Why am i stil here?? well 2 accounts are stasis, this one is plexed alive until after the 2nd July..

I dont protest ingame anymore (standing by), i think our point got hammered right into the directional offices at CCP. Why..??

Combined mass protests ingame and alot of publicity on different gaming sites around the interweb...

Am i done protesting?...HELL NO!! and many many many are like me...but we have (well atleast 50% of us) grantet CCP a ceasefire until the 2nd july...(there is loads of alts parked in Jita)

Remember alot of os dont do it because we want to grief or be a pain to others, we do it for the love to the game. We can live with alot of that Incarna, but if they are altering the sandbox so you have to pay to use the showels, well that is not EVE online....Any Protest have victims, unfortently that was fellow gamers, it dont meen a thing to you, but im sorry...but again no action without victims...

Hope they re-think the hangar problem. Hope they hit us in the head with a sledgehammer telling us that MT is vanity only. Hope they can figure out the GFX situation....

Im full of hope, i love the game i re-sub all accounts if something good comes out of the summit....But CCP will feel the anger if they try to screwzz us over...We are ready, we just give the CSM a last chance...thats it...This time the CSM have the mandate of 2500-3500, they have our guns right behind them.

(protest stats)
peak days at the protest had around 2500-3500 on and of devided in 4 systems. Many dont read the forum, but get the info on language chats, ally chats or just some pub chat. (there were proberbly more, but no one can be sure)

Azz (sorry about the gramma, just came home from 14 hours work day)

Enna Shendara
Posted - 2011.06.27 15:18:00 - [39]
 

Originally by: Terminal Insanity

1) CCP has confirmed in their devblog there will be no non-vanity items in the NeX store.



Do you know what is truely sad? I have no reason to believe them. They lied to us, they treated us like dirt, and I for one will accept nothing less then a document signed by the current CSM and Hilmar himself, declaring that in the event of non-vanity items being introduced, CCP will be required to re-reimburse anyone who requests it all their actively remaining subscription time.

That way, if CCP does choose to implement pay2win in the future, it will cost them financially. That's the only assurance I will accept.

Desigre
Minmatar
Posted - 2011.06.27 15:19:00 - [40]
 

personally i joined riots for following reasons:

broken promise: there will not be MT in eve -> now we have nex store

Unclear plans: they have not sayd there will not be non-vanity items in nex store ever. Only that they have currently no plans on selling "gold ammunition". So they might start selling quantum ammunition instead, its not gold, so technicly not a lie then..

I want ccp to confirm that they will newer ever bring non-vanity items on nex store in eve.

Thats why i joined the fight to preserve EvE as we know it.


Terminal Insanity
Minmatar
Convex Enterprises
Posted - 2011.06.27 15:19:00 - [41]
 

Originally by: Harcosi
Originally by: Terminal Insanity
1) CCP has confirmed in their devblog there will be no non-vanity items in the NeX store.


They've alluded that there won't be any non-vanity items, not confirmed.


http://www.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&bid=913
Quote:
So this thing is vanity items only?
Yes. We will start out with a rather limited number of items initially, carefully measuring the demand and how it impacts the economy.

Siestre Vitale
Blue Republic
Posted - 2011.06.27 15:20:00 - [42]
 

Originally by: Dopesick
Edited by: Dopesick on 27/06/2011 15:14:40
Originally by: Siestre Vitale
"there are no and never have been plans to sell "gold ammo" for Aurum" - CCP zulu

(i asuming you ment the question regarding "P2W" items?)

Linkage

edited for linkage


That isn't definitive...

Had he said - "There will never be P2W MT in Eve online"

...you would see the majority of the uproar die down.

Politicians and businessmen are experts at open ended replies.


for gods sake, now your just picking holes

regardless of the wording the outcome is the same

Snake Scofield
Posted - 2011.06.27 15:22:00 - [43]
 

Edited by: Snake Scofield on 27/06/2011 15:24:59
Originally by: Desigre



Unclear plans: they have not sayd there will not be non-vanity items in nex store everhen..




http://www.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&bid=913 So this thing is for vanity items only? Yes.

At least protest for the right reasons. Sure they once said We do not have plans to go microtransaction with EVE. http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1341909&page=1#7. So a year ago they didn't have plans for NEX. Things change, plans change. I planned to be an astronaut when I was a kid. That plan sure changed.

Jennie Marlboro
Navy of Xoc
The Remnant Legion
Posted - 2011.06.27 15:22:00 - [44]
 

Originally by: Ri****ulo

Actually there is a disclaimer in Fearless stating that those are opinions and do not reflect in any way CCP's position.
It wasn't the point-counterpoint between Kristoffer and John Turbefield that lit things on fire; it was this statement from Scott Holden
Quote:
Not all virtual purchases will focus on customization: some will simply be new items, ammunition, ships, etc. that can be purchased outright. The devil, as always, is in the details.

"Will be."

Not "may be," not "we're considering," not "I think there should be."

If, in fact, this was not CCP's position, the dev blog Zulu posted on Friday very conspicuously failed to say so.

Siestre Vitale
Blue Republic
Posted - 2011.06.27 15:23:00 - [45]
 

Originally by: Terminal Insanity
Originally by: Harcosi
Originally by: Terminal Insanity
1) CCP has confirmed in their devblog there will be no non-vanity items in the NeX store.


They've alluded that there won't be any non-vanity items, not confirmed.


http://www.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&bid=913
Quote:
So this thing is vanity items only?
Yes. We will start out with a rather limited number of items initially, carefully measuring the demand and how it impacts the economy.


Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
Posted - 2011.06.27 15:23:00 - [46]
 

Originally by: Dopesick

a lot of people will resub


Actually, almost all will resub no matter which way this goes.

After six years in this game I have seen this same situation play out over and over. Once the whiners realize that the importance they give themselves is not shared by CCP, they will quietly continue playing until they can fabricate a new crisis to threat a mass quittathon over.

Been there, done that.

Nothing new.

Kate Rygel
Posted - 2011.06.27 15:23:00 - [47]
 

to be honest, with CCPs track record, even a 'comfirmation' that they wouldn't add these items to the cashgrab-shop wouldn't hold much wieght unfortunately.

Boaz Hedion Merkava
Posted - 2011.06.27 15:25:00 - [48]
 

Originally by: Mr Epeen
Actually, almost all will resub no matter which way this goes.

After six years in this game I have seen this same situation play out over and over. Once the whiners realize that the importance they give themselves is not shared by CCP, they will quietly continue playing until they can fabricate a new crisis to threat a mass quittathon over.

Been there, done that.

Nothing new.


Like I said elsewhere, do explain this, then:

Please visit your user settings to re-enable images.

O,oh,oh, what's that? Cat got your tongue?

Siestre Vitale
Blue Republic
Posted - 2011.06.27 15:27:00 - [49]
 

Originally by: Boaz Hedion Merkava
Originally by: Mr Epeen
Actually, almost all will resub no matter which way this goes.

After six years in this game I have seen this same situation play out over and over. Once the whiners realize that the importance they give themselves is not shared by CCP, they will quietly continue playing until they can fabricate a new crisis to threat a mass quittathon over.

Been there, done that.

Nothing new.


Like I said elsewhere, do explain this, then:

Please visit your user settings to re-enable images.

O,oh,oh, what's that? Cat got your tongue?


Without knowing what the horizontal line is indicating your graph is worthless, hell it could be logged in users over a 24hr period for all we know

Pisov viet
Posted - 2011.06.27 15:27:00 - [50]
 

Originally by: Terminal
1) CCP has confirmed in their devblog there will be no non-vanity items in the NeX store.[/quote


And they confirmed, a year ago, that there would be no MT in Eve.

Snake Scofield
Posted - 2011.06.27 15:28:00 - [51]
 


Quote:


Like I said elsewhere, do explain this, then:




It's a graph of your neural activity over the last month?

Siestre Vitale
Blue Republic
Posted - 2011.06.27 15:30:00 - [52]
 

Originally by: Snake Scofield

Quote:


Like I said elsewhere, do explain this, then:




It's a graph of your neural activity over the last month?



lolz, tbh it could be intrest in whining threads

Malak Alraheem
Minmatar
Posted - 2011.06.27 15:30:00 - [53]
 

What sucks most right now in my opinion is that they are focusing completely on the NeX/Aur issue and ignoring the fact that the game had even more bugs than ever. Machines can't handle new engine well at all.

I have a friend that I was trying to get to play, but even his modern liquid cooled machine is having issues. He will not be subbing to something that he feels is risking the stability of his new computer. Until that kind of thing is addressed, I wouldn't worry too much about the players scaring away the new recruits.


Harcosi
Posted - 2011.06.27 15:32:00 - [54]
 

Originally by: Siestre Vitale
Originally by: Harcosi
Originally by: Siestre Vitale
"there are no and never have been plans to sell "gold ammo" for Aurum" - CCP zulu

(i asuming you ment the question regarding "P2W" items?)


And exactly what does that mean? If they introduce MT for Ships/Modules, how are you going to argue that "Gold Ammo" covers that? It doesn't, as much as everyone wants it to (Myself included).


Well my argument is simple.. If they do sell anything, ie ship skins, modules, ammo etc that give a bonus of any type to a player then they are considered "golden ammo"

If however they are purley cosmetic in nature, then who cares? everything will be availible on the market at some point for isk anyway so you will be able to have such luxuries.. assuming youve got the isk


How much water do you think your argument holds? Can anyone honestly hold that blog up and say that Non-vanity items WILL NOT happen? When it comes down to it, what was said is completely meaningless, and until they give us a direct answer one way or the other a lot of people will remain without recurring subscriptions. And we can't wait forever.

I'm not going to invest my time and effort into something that could be completely ruined in 6 months. Eve is a game where I (And I would suspect, most people) have long term plans, if I cannot have a guarantee that Non-Vanity items won't destroy those plans, then I won't bother.

Dopesick
Minmatar
The Ankou
Raiden.
Posted - 2011.06.27 15:32:00 - [55]
 

Edited by: Dopesick on 27/06/2011 15:34:06
Originally by: Siestre Vitale
Originally by: Dopesick
Edited by: Dopesick on 27/06/2011 15:14:40
Originally by: Siestre Vitale
"there are no and never have been plans to sell "gold ammo" for Aurum" - CCP zulu

(i asuming you ment the question regarding "P2W" items?)

Linkage

edited for linkage


That isn't definitive...

Had he said - "There will never be P2W MT in Eve online"

...you would see the majority of the uproar die down.

Politicians and businessmen are experts at open ended replies.


for gods sake, now your just picking holes

regardless of the wording the outcome is the same

Getting a definitive answer isn't picking holes. You're trying too hard...

edit: ...and please don't bring imginary deities into my posts

Kahza Kado
Posted - 2011.06.27 15:32:00 - [56]
 

Originally by: Siestre Vitale
"there are no and never have been plans to sell "gold ammo" for Aurum" - CCP zulu

(i asuming you ment the question regarding "P2W" items?)


"there are no(present tense) and never has been(past tense) plans to sell "gold ammo" for Aurum" - CCP zulu

Just because they said that the newsletter contained opinions, as you nay sayers are so fond of throwing out there, does not include future plans. Just the mere existence of it's topics and discussions means they want to see about introducing it into the game as another viable source of income. I can't fault them for trying. They are a business after all. But bad business tactics is bad business tactics no matter how you spin it.

It's just like going to a restaurant and they say "Sorry all we have to offer you is a **** sandwich." But you say " Didn't you get caught adding unsafe additives to your **** sandwiches?" and their reply is " Oh that was what someone was thinking we were going to do.. But look we added lettuce, tomatos and bacon!"

Dude.. its still a **** sandwich.

Siestre Vitale
Blue Republic
Posted - 2011.06.27 15:32:00 - [57]
 

infact looking at the graph more closley i would say its infact logged in users at any given point in a 24hr period, look at the big dip that would be downtime

Tom Peeping
Posted - 2011.06.27 15:33:00 - [58]
 

Edited by: Tom Peeping on 27/06/2011 15:35:01
Originally by: Terminal Insanity
Edited by: Terminal Insanity on 27/06/2011 15:26:00
Is all the pointless negative press that EVE/CCP is recieving over this.

Consider the following:
1) CCP has confirmed in their devblog there will be no non-vanity items in the NeX store.
2) You're all whining about non-vanity items in the plex store which dont exist.
3) these disconnected news companies pick it up and fly with the bull**** rumors you kids have manufactured
4) some future eve pilot decided to play another game instead
5) you're killing your own ****ing game, and CCP isnt selling non-vanity items that you're condeming them for.

In short: You whiners are doing more damage to eve then CCP has this last week. Your mindless speculation and heard mentality is whats sinking this ship. Not CCP. So when membership numbers are down and you're not finding anyone to kill anymore, just remember who that was.


Quote:
So this thing is vanity items only?
Yes.





I for one would like to thank you for your uninformed opinion. I just don't think Eve would be Eve, if we didn't have people chipping in with strong opinions on partial information and ignoring the larger context, such as the statements which imply no MT at all in the past, meanwhile deluding themselves that it's everyone else doing so.

Thanks for not troubling to pursue the overall situation, or figure out what the real issues are, AND to even make a completely false statement. It really ups the overall entertainment value.

Enna Shendara
Posted - 2011.06.27 15:40:00 - [59]
 

Edited by: Enna Shendara on 27/06/2011 15:41:19
Originally by: Siestre Vitale

Without knowing what the horizontal line is indicating your graph is worthless, hell it could be logged in users over a 24hr period for all we know

Originally by: Snake Scofield

It's a graph of your neural activity over the last month?


Originally by: Siestre Vitale
infact looking at the graph more closley i would say its infact logged in users at any given point in a 24hr period, look at the big dip that would be downtime


You two should probably educate yourselves on basic tools made available to you before you fire your mouths off, lets you make it perfectly plain that you are scrubs, whose knowledge of eve goes ankle deep at most.

I know what that graph is with no need to be told a source, as would most people whose opinions carry any weight with me.

Be educated.

Terminal Insanity
Minmatar
Convex Enterprises
Posted - 2011.06.27 15:41:00 - [60]
 

Originally by: Malak Alraheem
What sucks most right now in my opinion is that they are focusing completely on the NeX/Aur issue and ignoring the fact that the game had even more bugs than ever. Machines can't handle new engine well at all.

I have a friend that I was trying to get to play, but even his modern liquid cooled machine is having issues. He will not be subbing to something that he feels is risking the stability of his new computer. Until that kind of thing is addressed, I wouldn't worry too much about the players scaring away the new recruits.




I completely agree. While im not experiencing any serious bugs, there is a bad 5+ second pause sometimes when renaming cans or even just opening or searching my station hanger (500+ items). Also my CQ's textures go semi-transparent when im running 2 clients (though this doesnt happen outside station). The station hanger hang/pause is extremely annoying when you're trying to move many items into cans and then jump back to your cyno a few times before the cyno expires =P


Tell your friend that eve cant kill his computer, infact if its a new computer he should 'burn it in' anyways (ie: running max cpu load and memory testing software for a couple days straight.) It stresses the hardware and 'breaks it in'. Its best to break your new hardware in the first couple days, then find out it was defective after the warranty is over.

Also try upgrading all of your drivers. Old drivers contain various bugs, conflicts and performance problems that have been fixed over time. This includes your soundcard, network card, and motherboard drivers as well. Mobo drivers are the most overlooked, and also the most important.


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