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Terminal Insanity
Minmatar
Convex Enterprises
Posted - 2011.06.27 14:39:00 - [1]
 

Edited by: Terminal Insanity on 27/06/2011 15:26:00
Is all the pointless negative press that EVE/CCP is recieving over this.

Consider the following:
1) CCP has confirmed in their devblog there will be no non-vanity items in the NeX store.
2) You're all whining about non-vanity items in the plex store which dont exist.
3) these disconnected news companies pick it up and fly with the bull**** rumors you kids have manufactured
4) some future eve pilot decided to play another game instead
5) you're killing your own ****ing game, and CCP isnt selling non-vanity items that you're condeming them for.

In short: You whiners are doing more damage to eve then CCP has this last week. Your mindless speculation and heard mentality is whats sinking this ship. Not CCP. So when membership numbers are down and you're not finding anyone to kill anymore, just remember who that was.


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So this thing is vanity items only?
Yes.



Arias Dren
Posted - 2011.06.27 14:43:00 - [2]
 

For some of us, even vanity items are a step too far. We aren't a goddamn cash-cow, or certainly not to the degree CCP believes we are. Alot of us feel justified to destroy EVE with only -that- justification... :P Nothing more required.

Socao Vakai
Posted - 2011.06.27 14:45:00 - [3]
 

Originally by: Arias Dren
For some of us, even vanity items are a step too far. We aren't a goddamn cash-cow, or certainly not to the degree CCP believes we are. Alot of us feel justified to destroy EVE with only -that- justification... :P Nothing more required.


Well quite frankly, you aren't forced to buy a vanity item.

If they would give you any kind of advantage then yes, but then EVE would explode

Savage Angel
Gallente
Gambler's Inc.
Posted - 2011.06.27 14:46:00 - [4]
 

Originally by: Arias Dren
For some of us, even vanity items are a step too far. We aren't a goddamn cash-cow, or certainly not to the degree CCP believes we are. Alot of us feel justified to destroy EVE with only -that- justification... :P Nothing more required.


Then complain about vanity items, not about stuff that does not exist.

Harcosi
Posted - 2011.06.27 14:46:00 - [5]
 

Originally by: Terminal Insanity
1) CCP has confirmed in their devblog there will be no non-vanity items in the NeX store.


They've alluded that there won't be any non-vanity items, not confirmed.

Captain Travaras
Gallente
Posted - 2011.06.27 14:46:00 - [6]
 

CCP have not confirmed that there will NEVER be non-vanity items in the nex store. This is what people want to hear. Instead its the usual "at the moment there are no plans" or "we are not currently planning to have this"

They said in a dev blog before there will be no MT at all. And now a year or so later, we have MT. Dev blogs are not reliable in my opinion.

They havent done enough to convince the people who are angry that they will be sticking with what they have said.

CCP have brought alot of it on themselves with their intentional lack of replies to see if things 'cool down'. They have admitted this was wrong. And then the blog and the leaked email which were condescending, missing the key questions and only enraging people further.

Dopesick
Minmatar
The Ankou
Raiden.
Posted - 2011.06.27 14:46:00 - [7]
 

Originally by: Terminal Insanity
1) CCP has confirmed in their devblog there will be no non-vanity items in the NeX store.


Link please..

Ridickulo
Minmatar
Tiger-Shrimp
Sons of EvE Alliance
Posted - 2011.06.27 14:46:00 - [8]
 

Originally by: Terminal Insanity
Is all the pointless negative press that EVE/CCP is recieving over this.

Consider the following:
1) CCP has confirmed in their devblog there will be no non-vanity items in the NeX store.



No they didnt. And I wish they had!
All they said was that there were no plans for it at this time

Originally by: Terminal Insanity
2) You're all whining about non-vanity items in the plex store which dont exist.
3) these disconnected news companies pick it up and fly with the bull**** rumors you kids have manufactured
4) some future eve pilot decided to play another game instead
5) you're killing your own ****ing game, and CCP isnt selling non-vanity items that you're condeming them for.

In short: You whiners are doing more damage to eve then CCP has this last week. Your mindless speculation and heard mentality is whats sinking this ship. Not CCP. So when membership numbers are down and you're not finding anyone to kill anymore, just remember who that was.


yes, unfortunately that is very true but it is the way of things.
People rage and mob.

Vandir Rael
Posted - 2011.06.27 14:46:00 - [9]
 

Edited by: Vandir Rael on 27/06/2011 14:48:03
Originally by: Arias Dren
Alot of us feel justified to destroy EVE with only -that- justification... :P Nothing more required.

I always knew that EVE was home of the best trolls in the world, but why do you insist on kicking your own ass?

@ Terminal Insanity: i totally agree

Miss Rabblt
Posted - 2011.06.27 14:47:00 - [10]
 

agree. some say Eve has more amateur players than other games.... Sadly looks like this isn't right.... Confused

Snake Scofield
Posted - 2011.06.27 14:47:00 - [11]
 

Originally by: Arias Dren
For some of us, even vanity items are a step too far. We aren't a goddamn cash-cow, or certainly not to the degree CCP believes we are. Alot of us feel justified to destroy EVE with only -that- justification... :P Nothing more required.


Kid didn't want to go swimming. ****ed in the pool.

Tobias Sjodin
Habitual Euthanasia
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2011.06.27 14:48:00 - [12]
 

There is no such thing as negative press YARRRR!!

lord torak
The Imperial Fedaykin
Posted - 2011.06.27 14:48:00 - [13]
 

They aren't forcing you to buy the NEX store stuff, so why is it such a big deal? Im not bothered by it, if some guy wants to play Eve dress up thats fine. But if i do or not wont affect my space pew pew.

As of now, eve is still the same game it always has been, once you click the undock button :D It really pain me to see people quitting over pixle clothes and the damage it is causing to CCP, the damage i hope is repairable. With one sentance CCP could stop %99 of this crap, im happy to wait until then! Undock! DO IT NOW!!

Ben

Arias Dren
Posted - 2011.06.27 14:49:00 - [14]
 

Originally by: Socao Vakai
Originally by: Arias Dren
For some of us, even vanity items are a step too far. We aren't a goddamn cash-cow, or certainly not to the degree CCP believes we are. Alot of us feel justified to destroy EVE with only -that- justification... :P Nothing more required.


Well quite frankly, you aren't forced to buy a vanity item.

If they would give you any kind of advantage then yes, but then EVE would explode


...I'm not forced to pay an overpriced game by a greedy developer either, regardless of 'what' exactly I would be forced to pay for within it, and whether someone -else- i'm talking to on a forum, considers the price justified. Personally, I consider the vanity items "game changing", after all, i'd want to wear them, and consider paying my subs to be enough to allow me to do so, so it's changing my damn game.

Not in a 'competitive' or combat orientated context, but still changing my game... and still only when paid for with MTs. Unacceptable.

Jennie Marlboro
Navy of Xoc
The Remnant Legion
Posted - 2011.06.27 14:49:00 - [15]
 

Originally by: Terminal Insanity
Is all the pointless negative press that EVE/CCP is recieving over this.

Consider the following:
1) CCP has confirmed in their devblog there will be no non-vanity items in the NeX store.
2) You're all whining about non-vanity items in the plex store which dont exist.
3) these disconnected news companies pick it up and fly with the bull**** rumors you kids have manufactured
4) some future eve pilot decided to play another game instead
5) you're killing your own ****ing game, and CCP isnt selling non-vanity items that you're condeming them for.

In short: You whiners are doing more damage to eve then CCP has this last week. Your mindless speculation and heard mentality is whats sinking this ship. Not CCP. So when membership numbers are down and you're not finding anyone to kill anymore, just remember who that was.

My, you really are clueless, aren't you?

Go back and read the "Fearless" newsletter (which said quite clearly that non-vanity items were going to be added); the demands from the players that CCP repudiate that position; and the very conspicuous failure of CCP to do so in several blogs and message thread posts.

Or just buy a clue. I understand they're available in the NEX store for only 25,000 AUR.

Master Gotama
Posted - 2011.06.27 14:51:00 - [16]
 

hi, you must be new here. consider for a moment that you are correct, these have not yet been implemented by cccp. however, cccp has already made an attempt to implement a ship via magik AUR (IW Scorpion) that was only stopped by player objections. furthermore, cccp has recently leaked a document discussing far more extensive plans for aur. sure they say, "hey that was just a joke guys, we really didn't mean it!". that fact that you gobble up this as cannon speaks to your inexperience and novice in these matters.

i understand you prolly watch a lot of tv and believe everything your parents tell you, but some of us are grown ups that exercise a healthy degree of skepticism when presented with inconsistent information.

THINK FOR YOURSELF, QUESTION AUTHORITY


Arias Dren
Posted - 2011.06.27 14:51:00 - [17]
 

Originally by: Vandir Rael
Edited by: Vandir Rael on 27/06/2011 14:48:03
Originally by: Arias Dren
Alot of us feel justified to destroy EVE with only -that- justification... :P Nothing more required.

I always knew that EVE was home of the best trolls in the world, but why do you insist on kicking your own ass?

@ Terminal Insanity: i totally agree



For the record, your point (what point? Lol.) makes no sense whatsoever, whereas mine still stands.


PS: CCP alt. :P

Hirana Yoshida
Behavioral Affront
Posted - 2011.06.27 14:52:00 - [18]
 

Originally by: Tobias Sjodin
There is no such thing as negative press YARRRR!!

Would have to agree, at least when it comes to Eve.

Some of the biggest events, the ones that make headlines all over (trillion ISK frauds, alliance disbands, mass-exploits etc.), are huge bulletin boards for Eve.

This emo-incident has barely been a blip on the radar.

Ridickulo
Minmatar
Tiger-Shrimp
Sons of EvE Alliance
Posted - 2011.06.27 14:52:00 - [19]
 

Originally by: Jennie Marlboro
Go back and read the "Fearless" newsletter (which said quite clearly that non-vanity items were going to be added); the demands from the players that CCP repudiate that position; and the very conspicuous failure of CCP to do so in several blogs and message thread posts.

Or just buy a clue. I understand they're available in the NEX store for only 25,000 AUR.


Actually there is a disclaimer in Fearless stating that those are opinions and do not reflect in any way CCP's position.

Ulair Memmet
ORIGIN SYSTEMS
Posted - 2011.06.27 14:53:00 - [20]
 

Edited by: Ulair Memmet on 27/06/2011 14:53:32
edit:typo
Originally by: Dopesick
Originally by: Terminal Insanity
1) CCP has confirmed in their devblog there will be no non-vanity items in the NeX store.


Link please..

Originally by: CCP Zulu
However, just to prove the point of the Fearless newsletter and give you a further understanding of what it is then there are no and never have been plans to sell "gold ammo" for Aurum. In Fearless people are arguing a point, which doesn't even have to be their view, they are debating an issue. This is another example of how information out of context is no information at all.

----

The REALLY sad thing is that all of this wouldn't have happened if the monocle had been the only overpriced item and everything else had been 2-5$...

Maybe then even the fearless letter would not have been leaked and we would just have the "It was so much better before"-rabble as usual.

And maybe some people would even have recognized the awesome turret effects Very Happy. They look awesome while shooting the jita monument now

Kalle Demos
Amarr
Helix Protocol
Posted - 2011.06.27 14:57:00 - [21]
 

Well to be fair, most of the articles that were written got the story mixed up and made it sound like EVE was a great game where 1500+ can be in a team shooting ****.

Read some of the comments on these articles too, most people are pretty impressed with the 'team size' haha

Siestre Vitale
Blue Republic
Posted - 2011.06.27 14:58:00 - [22]
 

Originally by: Terminal Insanity
Is all the pointless negative press that EVE/CCP is recieving over this.

Consider the following:
1) CCP has confirmed in their devblog there will be no non-vanity items in the NeX store.
2) You're all whining about non-vanity items in the plex store which dont exist.
3) these disconnected news companies pick it up and fly with the bull**** rumors you kids have manufactured
4) some future eve pilot decided to play another game instead
5) you're killing your own ****ing game, and CCP isnt selling non-vanity items that you're condeming them for.

In short: You whiners are doing more damage to eve then CCP has this last week. Your mindless speculation and heard mentality is whats sinking this ship. Not CCP. So when membership numbers are down and you're not finding anyone to kill anymore, just remember who that was.


+1

It wont be CCP that kill eve, it will be the playerbase

Just because they have allowed "vanity" items to be purchased, in my eyes is actually a sound business move on there part, look around any any of the most sucsessful MMO's they all have this and have had it for years. people fail to see how this "optional" cash injection to CCP, yes will most likley help fund the company as a whole, wether that would be eve or other titles. any way for CCP to get stronger as a company will reflect greatly on eve and can only make it stronger.


Herring
Caldari
Pimpology
Posted - 2011.06.27 15:00:00 - [23]
 

Originally by: lord torak
They aren't forcing you to buy the NEX store stuff, so why is it such a big deal? Im not bothered by it, if some guy wants to play Eve dress up thats fine. But if i do or not wont affect my space pew pew.

As of now, eve is still the same game it always has been, once you click the undock button :D It really pain me to see people quitting over pixle clothes and the damage it is causing to CCP, the damage i hope is repairable. With one sentance CCP could stop %99 of this crap, im happy to wait until then! Undock! DO IT NOW!!

Ben


We were already paying a subscription that allowed full access to the game. Now, that subscription no longer allows full access to the game. Additionally, we know that any money we're paying now isn't being used to develop eve, the game we were playing, but being dumped into other titles. Some people are unhappy about the high nex prices, but they're really a moot point. It's all about restricting access to items in the game unless you pay extra.

Darth Helmat
Posted - 2011.06.27 15:01:00 - [24]
 

Originally by: Terminal Insanity

In short: You whiners are doing more damage to eve then CCP has this last week. Your mindless speculation and heard mentality is whats sinking this ship. Not CCP.


Bollox sorry. CCP could easily have put this right, they could easily have answered the question in the big yellow font.

Jade Constantine
Gallente
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
Posted - 2011.06.27 15:01:00 - [25]
 

Edited by: Jade Constantine on 27/06/2011 15:01:21

Originally by: Terminal Insanity
Is all the pointless negative press that EVE/CCP is recieving over this.

Consider the following:
1) CCP has confirmed in their devblog there will be no non-vanity items in the NeX store.


They have said there are "no plans" currently, that doesn't mean there will not be plans in the future. Also, considering the upcoming product Dust 514 will have game changing MT items and will be linked to Eve Online's sovereignty warfare model it would be quite wrong to conclude that the game-changing MT argument is going to be going away anytime soon.

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2) You're all whining about non-vanity items in the plex store which dont exist.


Even the Vanity items in the NeX store annoy the hell out of me because they are breaking the eve market and bypassing the ability for players to build things to sell to players. If all this clothing had been released as BPOS that allowed people to purchase and then build the product using input materials produced by players elsewhere in the game I think I might have been fine with it.

Quote:
3) these disconnected news companies pick it up and fly with the bull**** rumors you kids have manufactured


Which rumours are you talking about exactly - the news reporting I've been reading seems based entirely in facts and reasonable speculation.

Quote:
4) some future eve pilot decided to play another game instead


Thing long term. Its better that the game we know and love is preserved rather than dumbed down to some pathetic MT-based shambling zombie with a short-term community of people that subscribe for a month, get ganked and then move onto something easier. Of course what the likely dynamic would be is that the short-term signups would begin to whine about things and suddenly we'd get safe zones / limits to wardecs and general rubbish further contaminating the game.

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5) you're killing your own ****ing game, and CCP isnt selling non-vanity items that you're condeming them for.


Read about DUST 514.
Read about the likely funding model for that.
Read about the connection between DUST 514 and Eve.

Read about the opposition even to Vanity items in the NeX store on the grouds they bypass and "break" the existing market. Inform yourself about the things people are protesting about and you might understand the issue better.

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In short: You whiners are doing more damage to eve then CCP has this last week. Your mindless speculation and heard mentality is whats sinking this ship. Not CCP. So when membership numbers are down and you're not finding anyone to kill anymore, just remember who that was.


Don't be so fast to jump to conclusions.
Read and inform yourself before posting more please.

Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
Posted - 2011.06.27 15:02:00 - [26]
 

Originally by: Terminal Insanity
Is all the pointless negative press that EVE/CCP is recieving over this.

Consider the following:
1) CCP has confirmed in their devblog there will be no non-vanity items in the NeX store.
2) You're all whining about non-vanity items in the plex store which dont exist.
3) these disconnected news companies pick it up and fly with the bull**** rumors you kids have manufactured
4) some future eve pilot decided to play another game instead
5) you're killing your own ****ing game, and CCP isnt selling non-vanity items that you're condeming them for.

In short: You whiners are doing more damage to eve then CCP has this last week. Your mindless speculation and heard mentality is whats sinking this ship. Not CCP. So when membership numbers are down and you're not finding anyone to kill anymore, just remember who that was.


I beg to differ

This whole situation is nothing but good for EVE.

1) Protest creates media interest
2) Media links visually exiting video of Jita destruction
3) People who never heard of eve see video on every site they look at.
4) Huge number of people grab free trials to see what the fuss is all about
5) Massive influx of new player subs

So, in short, the whiners are actually one EVE's best new player recruitment tools at this time.

Bravo

Tegrah
Posted - 2011.06.27 15:02:00 - [27]
 

Originally by: Terminal Insanity



1) CCP has confirmed in their devblog there will be no non-vanity items in the NeX store.




They could have, but unfortunately they used the political double speak of "no plans at this time"

Originally by: Terminal Insanity


5) you're killing your own ****ing game, and CCP isnt selling non-vanity items that you're condeming them for.



So you agree EVE belongs as much to the players who over the years have created the emergent content and game lore CCP uses as there USP for EVE. If CCP want to **** in our collective sandbox we have every right to tip the lot over them.

Siestre Vitale
Blue Republic
Posted - 2011.06.27 15:03:00 - [28]
 

Originally by: Darth Helmat
Originally by: Terminal Insanity

In short: You whiners are doing more damage to eve then CCP has this last week. Your mindless speculation and heard mentality is whats sinking this ship. Not CCP.


Bollox sorry. CCP could easily have put this right, they could easily have answered the question in the big yellow font.


they did, and your still *****ing.


Harcosi
Posted - 2011.06.27 15:04:00 - [29]
 

Originally by: Siestre Vitale
Originally by: Darth Helmat
Originally by: Terminal Insanity

In short: You whiners are doing more damage to eve then CCP has this last week. Your mindless speculation and heard mentality is whats sinking this ship. Not CCP.


Bollox sorry. CCP could easily have put this right, they could easily have answered the question in the big yellow font.


they did, and your still *****ing.




Link and/or quote please?

Kahza Kado
Posted - 2011.06.27 15:06:00 - [30]
 

Originally by: Siestre Vitale
Originally by: Darth Helmat
Originally by: Terminal Insanity

In short: You whiners are doing more damage to eve then CCP has this last week. Your mindless speculation and heard mentality is whats sinking this ship. Not CCP.


Bollox sorry. CCP could easily have put this right, they could easily have answered the question in the big yellow font.


they did, and your still *****ing.




They did? I must have missed it.. guess I do need a monocle. :P


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