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Mobius Reynolds
Posted - 2011.06.27 18:20:00 - [121]
 

Long Post ahead, TL;DR available at the bottom of the post.

Although I won't participate in the killing (doesn't fit with the way I play my characters), I support this idea...not on any sort of misplaced crusade against CCP...but for the same reason I actually like Hulkageddon (despite having to defend against the event's participants...yes...I mine in my spare time): it's the players taking a stand in what they believe in. The point of an open sandbox game is for people to play the way they want to play...there are consequences in game for their actions, and those who buy the expensive in game items take that risk on themselves (same as those who buy PLEX to sell for ISK).

The interesting part is that players play as their characters in a game...doing things they wouldn't do in real life (most of them anyway)..it gives them a degree of freedom, even withing a universe where a capsuleer system actually existed, you have to admit, people would be more likely to take risks...even at the cost of a painful death, especially extremists (which is what we see with hulkageddon and monoclegeddon).

So...will everyone participate? No...definitively not. But will protesting do much against it? Not really...people tried protesting against hulkageddon, didn't really work out well, as hulkageddon still lasted for quite a while. Will monoclegeddon actually get big? probably not to the proportions of hulkageddon...but you never know. Will CCP kill it? Probably not. CCP has done everything they can to preserve the "4th" wall on the in-game sandbox (see the actual bit on the "ships" sold in the exchange...trade ins for the custom ships...much like navy issue variants from LP shops).

I would still support this even if I bought a monocle...(albeit, I wouldn't have near as much risk as I would only buy a monocle if it was much...much cheaper...)

TL;DR?: I'm a carebare who likes to RP. I support Monoclegeddon because it's cool to a person who likes to over-analyze things.

Adunh Slavy
Ammatar Trade Syndicate
Posted - 2011.06.27 18:26:00 - [122]
 

Originally by: Saint Lazarus

And if AUR items only buy you the BPC and has to be built just like a faction ship how does it make an AUR bought item differ from a faction one?



Did the BPC require a BPC as a trade in? If not, then it cuts out all those players who produce BPCs, and all the industry that supports that.

Originally by: Saint Lazarus

Its a flawed argument, the ships would be so expensive they wouldnt impact the t1/t2 industry anymore than faction/officer mods affect it. If their price was on par with tournament prizes you'd almost never seen them.



It is not a flawed argument. Any currency that competes with ISK, to produce mechanically operative items or services in the sandbox, has an impact on the entire economy. It doesn't matter how rare or expensive the AUR created items are. One spawned golden scorpion into the economy steals a tiny bit of value from every single ISK in the game.

Originally by: Saint Lazarus

Especially considering warfare in EvE is all about ISK efficiency, you lose one AUR bought ship in a fleet the t1 BS fleet you just fought wins.


This is basic economics and monetary theory. It's not that difficult once you get the basic concepts of what money actually is, an abstraction of labor.

Grimpak
Gallente
Midnight Elites
Echelon Rising
Posted - 2011.06.27 18:26:00 - [123]
 

Originally by: Saint Lazarus
And if AUR items only buy you the BPC and has to be built just like a faction ship how does it make an AUR bought item differ from a faction one?

Its a flawed argument, the ships would be so expensive they wouldnt impact the t1/t2 industry anymore than faction/officer mods affect it. If their price was on par with tournament prizes you'd almost never seen them.


Especially considering warfare in EvE is all about ISK efficiency, you lose one AUR bought ship in a fleet the t1 BS fleet you just fought wins.
slippery slope.

today, a monocle, tomorrow a T2 titan with 90% resistances that can dock and come into hisec, because "I paid for it so it must be better than everybody else's."

ok yeah the T2 titan is an exaggeration, but that's the issue here. if only vanity items, the AUR items are a sort of dead end because it doesn't add nothing more than just pretty barbie dolls.

when you jump to ships however, there are only two options: you get a paintjob for peanuts and an item for trade-in since you can't make it cost craploads of AUR (even 500 AUR is too much), OR you get a ship that costs good AUR and is above anything else, because we don't want for the people who buy it to lose it easily, or else they start complaining and demanding a refund.

so yeah, marketing department stumbles on this issue and says "oh why make it cheap? let's make "elite" items that are much better than the rest so that people buy them by the truckload."


even if EVE warfare is all about isk efficiency, it's only about said efficiency when you work on margins of 5%-10% performance.

not with 50% or more.

Unfamed II
Caldari
NPC Corporation
Paisti Syndicate
Posted - 2011.06.27 18:29:00 - [124]
 

Originally by: Kristina Vanszar
Originally by: Raid'En
Edited by: Raid''En on 27/06/2011 17:44:56
Originally by: Lusitan Gamara
And so begins the "Monocle Wars". This will become the stuff of legends!.

hum seems a bit to easy xD

last news : PL have been hired by the monocle lobby ; they will have be wearing monocles and defend their cause ! Laughing


looooool
can't wait to scam some of them
"i'll give you 500 mil if you remove me from the list"
"ok"
"i'm still on the list"
"i know"

This explains why I have a monocle and you don't. I am better than you. Please visit your user settings to re-enable images.

Ianus
Caldari
Geminus Gateway
Posted - 2011.06.27 18:33:00 - [125]
 

I like it, and I'll support this endeavor with ISKies once it's up and running.

Mobius Reynolds
Posted - 2011.06.27 18:35:00 - [126]
 

Edited by: Mobius Reynolds on 27/06/2011 18:36:03
Some people want to add vanity customizations to their characters. This has been proven time and time again in various other games...(most notably with hats...). The point of a sandbox game is to play the way you want to. Also...hope people have read this already:

Originally by: CCP Zinfandel
For those who missed it before, let's go back over this in better detail. The detail is interesting for many.

Team Stonehenge is making the store (Noble Exchange) and is making it in stages. It's fairly simple and straightforward at present but will be getting more sophisticated over time. Right now it can only sell one kind of thing at a time (no bundles) and can only accept one payment at a time (Aurum.)

It can't do trade-in's.
It can't do BPCs.
It can't sell anything that requires a user interface to use.
It can't highlight an item on sale (they will look like the non sale items.)
It can't sort/filter and only show you one kind of item.
But it will get better.

Other folks are making cool ship art. Other folks are making clothing, etc. One of the cool ships was the Ishukone Watch Scorpion battleship which we brought to the CSM. They got to see a little better view of it than just a screen shot posted in a video broadcast and they thought it looked pretty cool. One of them will likely chime in about it or you'll see it in their meeting minutes which I know they are working on.

So I presented our dilemma to them.
EVE players need to be in control of the EVE economy as much as possible. That's not just a marketing claim, that's what we really believe.

And if we sell a battleship in a store, that transgresses this important principle.

"Shall I hold this until the store properly supports BPCs or a Scorpion trade-in? Or shall I start selling it now for 3-4 months and then change how we sell it later?"

The CSM had one big question:
-Is there any difference between the Ishukone Watch Scorpions sold whole and the ones sold in trade in?
(The answer is no.)

They said yes, you want players in control. You want players buying Scorpions from industrialist players. Absolutely. But in this case this is not likely to hurt the EVE economy because initially people will only buy these ships as a collectible and for fun. This will not affect their purchase of Scorpions for actual fleet warfare. They will still buy as many Scorps - this would just be on extra out of their bling money.

So they recommended we go ahead and begin our learning curve and get the fun ship into circulation.

Now, behind the scenes, we will be monitoring to make sure that Scorpion sales don't crash and that the economy does not suffer. If it does, we can turn off the availability of the ship in minutes. We'll just point out that the Ishukone Watch only made a limited number of ships to sell to capsuleers and that supply has now run out.

If we need to go even slower, we can and will.

Link

Cambarus
Malicious Destruction
War Against the Manifest
Posted - 2011.06.27 18:49:00 - [127]
 

Originally by: Unfamed II
Originally by: Kristina Vanszar
Originally by: Raid'En
Edited by: Raid''En on 27/06/2011 17:44:56
Originally by: Lusitan Gamara
And so begins the "Monocle Wars". This will become the stuff of legends!.

hum seems a bit to easy xD

last news : PL have been hired by the monocle lobby ; they will have be wearing monocles and defend their cause ! Laughing


looooool
can't wait to scam some of them
"i'll give you 500 mil if you remove me from the list"
"ok"
"i'm still on the list"
"i know"

This explains why I have a monocle and you don't. I am better than you. Please visit your user settings to re-enable images.
Mmm, yes, quite.

Exotic Girl
Nigerian Export Inc
Monocle Overlords
Posted - 2011.06.27 18:54:00 - [128]
 

Edited by: Exotic Girl on 27/06/2011 18:55:02
Hello,





<-- Would like to point you to right direction...

Maverick2011
Caldari
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Posted - 2011.06.27 18:58:00 - [129]
 

Count me in.

Xenuria
Gallente
Genos Occidere
HYDRA RELOADED
Posted - 2011.06.27 18:59:00 - [130]
 

Originally by: ITTigerClawIK
i look foward to this immensly, why was hulkageddon banned, CCP seemed behind it not to long ago?


Hulkageddon was not ever banned and it never will be banned. OP is another Fearmongering Summerfriend who is trying to misinform as many people as possible. nothing new here move along.

Kristina Vanszar
Caldari
Posted - 2011.06.27 18:59:00 - [131]
 

Originally by: Exotic Girl
Edited by: Exotic Girl on 27/06/2011 18:55:02
Hello,


<-- Would like to point you to right direction...


O_O do you dance?

TenTon Tommie
Minmatar
Posted - 2011.06.27 19:00:00 - [132]
 

I'll commit to the following prizes:

100M isk
1 gisti b small shield booster
1 RF Firetail

If this gains momentum, I'll consider donating 1 Macherial and 1 Plex to boot.

TTT

Marcus Vorenius
Caldari
Task Force 42
Posted - 2011.06.27 19:01:00 - [133]
 

Originally by: Mobius Reynolds
Edited by: Mobius Reynolds on 27/06/2011 18:36:03
Some people want to add vanity customizations to their characters. This has been proven time and time again in various other games...(most notably with hats...). The point of a sandbox game is to play the way you want to. Also...hope people have read this already:

Originally by: CCP Zinfandel
For those who missed it before, let's go back over this in better detail. The detail is interesting for many.

Team Stonehenge is making the store (Noble Exchange) and is making it in stages. It's fairly simple and straightforward at present but will be getting more sophisticated over time. Right now it can only sell one kind of thing at a time (no bundles) and can only accept one payment at a time (Aurum.)

It can't do trade-in's.
It can't do BPCs.
It can't sell anything that requires a user interface to use.
It can't highlight an item on sale (they will look like the non sale items.)
It can't sort/filter and only show you one kind of item.
But it will get better.

Other folks are making cool ship art. Other folks are making clothing, etc. One of the cool ships was the Ishukone Watch Scorpion battleship which we brought to the CSM. They got to see a little better view of it than just a screen shot posted in a video broadcast and they thought it looked pretty cool. One of them will likely chime in about it or you'll see it in their meeting minutes which I know they are working on.

So I presented our dilemma to them.
EVE players need to be in control of the EVE economy as much as possible. That's not just a marketing claim, that's what we really believe.

And if we sell a battleship in a store, that transgresses this important principle.

"Shall I hold this until the store properly supports BPCs or a Scorpion trade-in? Or shall I start selling it now for 3-4 months and then change how we sell it later?"

The CSM had one big question:
-Is there any difference between the Ishukone Watch Scorpions sold whole and the ones sold in trade in?
(The answer is no.)

They said yes, you want players in control. You want players buying Scorpions from industrialist players. Absolutely. But in this case this is not likely to hurt the EVE economy because initially people will only buy these ships as a collectible and for fun. This will not affect their purchase of Scorpions for actual fleet warfare. They will still buy as many Scorps - this would just be on extra out of their bling money.

So they recommended we go ahead and begin our learning curve and get the fun ship into circulation.

Now, behind the scenes, we will be monitoring to make sure that Scorpion sales don't crash and that the economy does not suffer. If it does, we can turn off the availability of the ship in minutes. We'll just point out that the Ishukone Watch only made a limited number of ships to sell to capsuleers and that supply has now run out.

If we need to go even slower, we can and will.

Link


do you believe this bullcrap? did you read the transcript of what Zinfandel said in Help? What was the real reason they reduced our fittings? <quote about a duck goes here>

Tal Rann
Posted - 2011.06.27 19:06:00 - [134]
 

Originally by: Titus Phook
They banned Helicity Boson (founder of hulkageddon)for telling a CCP dev that death by fire was too slow, after the dev in question said in an internal communication that they were not saying anything because the community would burn them at the stake.


Good riddance-we told CCP Hulkageddon was no more than cyber bullying- so HB got duly pencilled out :-)

Capdown Jakuard
Posted - 2011.06.27 19:07:00 - [135]
 

Originally by: Florence Valentine
Originally by: Nikki Sanderson
Originally by: Florence Valentine
Here's an idea.

Anyone you see in the street wearing $1,000 Armani jeans, pour petrol on them and light a match, cus they have jeans that you can't afford.

Lets call it Armanigeddon (see what I did there).


tl;dr --> Monoclegeddon = stupid, spiteful and temporary (shortly the monocle will be replaced with more expensive items, ad infinitum)


Confirming that eve = rl

Also confirming that using color tags makes you not look like an idiot


It got your attention, and you replied, making my beautiful colours cover more of your screen.

Any yes rl = EVE, especially when spiteful people bring spitefulness to a computer game.


[Teal]Florence Valentine, learn to read between the lines...
It has nothing to do with being spiteful towards the people that buy monocles, The problem is CCP selling them at ridiculous prices. That's not becuase I want to buy one myself, it's just the fact that CCP are going down that route simply because they can.

Go back over all that we have heard from CCP over the past few days.
Then remind yourself about what a great job CCP have and sure they all enjoy (maybe not so enjoyable over the past few days however :P) Then question how grateful they sound for our subs
If anyone going to this upcoming meeting wants to spread s***, I think they should pop over to the parking lot and take a pic of of the cars they drive hehe, Porsches or Ford escorts?.. If Ford escorts then I take it backVery Happy, but you have to admit, even though they are a business( one that's supposed/wants to pride itself on the community mind) a $70 monocle is pushing it a bit too far right?
Sure, I don't know how hard CCP work. And harder work should = more pay, OF COURSE, but when you add that to everything else thats going on right now it seems more of an insult then anything.
So to sum up 'Podding a monocle' is done to scare people from buying something that supports something that players believe to be game braking.
Well thats one theory, the other is angry players angry at clueless players supporting someones greed.


Make up your own mind, but read between the lines is all :)
I wont be doing it..
1. I can't
2. It's probably against the rules.
But I do think it's a huge waste of money however that could be better spent.... But then it's not my money to spend... So.. "meh... muppets" <---- best response IMO

Kristina Vanszar
Caldari
Posted - 2011.06.27 19:08:00 - [136]
 

Originally by: TenTon Tommie
I'll commit to the following prizes:

100M isk
1 gisti b small shield booster
1 RF Firetail

If this gains momentum, I'll consider donating 1 Macherial and 1 Plex to boot.

TTT



right now the prices as shown on the Page + 1 Fully fitted Hulk, from a sponsor.

Ispai Ponue
Caldari Provisions
Posted - 2011.06.27 19:10:00 - [137]
 

Originally by: Daelorn
I'm down.


Quafe shirts too!

Mobius Reynolds
Posted - 2011.06.27 19:12:00 - [138]
 

Ok, I'm going with the information I have. Until I get more info, my stand on the exchange stays the same. For me, I prefer to think the best about people...however, we won't see until CCP actually takes action. I still support monoclegeddon...I might even donate a ship though (just for the fun of it). It won't be anything too fancy...I'll have to see what's laying around my hangar...(was finally able to get on line when I turned CQ off...shame, was looking forward to seeing it)...

Zanzerschreck
Posted - 2011.06.27 19:21:00 - [139]
 

I find myself suddenly compelled to purchase a monocle for each eye.

Ispai Ponue
Caldari Provisions
Posted - 2011.06.27 19:23:00 - [140]
 

Originally by: Florence Valentine
Here's an idea.

Anyone you see in the street wearing $1,000 Armani jeans, pour petrol on them and light a match, cus they have jeans that you can't afford.

Lets call it Armanigeddon (see what I did there).


tl;dr --> Monoclegeddon = stupid, spiteful and temporary (shortly the monocle will be replaced with more expensive items, ad infinitum)


I love it! I think I'm starting to favor this feature! If these vanity items can be destroyed, and people buy them expecting NOT to be targeted....why that's a recipe for some of the greatest tears ever! Hell, hasn't even happened yet and we've already reaped the rewards!

Maybe even when actual advantage items are added. "You just destroyed my Large 'General' Artillery Canons. They cost me over 300 USD! Why you gank me like that? Waaaa!!!! CCP protect me!!!!" -- "Yeah, and I used cheap-ass in-game items to do it too!" Suiciding carebears could actually become an even more entertaining activity.

Maybe we shouldn't be *****ing too much about this.

Rail Gun
Caldari
The Cathedral of Flesh
Monocle Overlords
Posted - 2011.06.27 19:30:00 - [141]
 

This hunt is pointless if none of the Monocle Overlords are not on the list.

Wool Lou
Posted - 2011.06.27 19:31:00 - [142]
 

i used to have no interest in the monocles or any of that sht really but they gettin a lot more appealing with all these scrubs losing they sht over them

Mobius Reynolds
Posted - 2011.06.27 19:35:00 - [143]
 

Isn't it interesting how being so negative about something, can up increasing demand for it?

Either way...blowing stuff up is good for EVE's economy...increasing demand for ships, increasing demand for my ore...people loosing expensive items in the process...collateral damage, and a risk they took.

Although...wouldn't it be perfectly ironic if the winner of monoclegeddon won a monocle?

SPAECMARNIES
Ghosts of Ragnarok
Test Alliance Please Ignore
Posted - 2011.06.27 19:39:00 - [144]
 

1m ISK is seriously not enough per killmail.

DurrHurrDurr
Posted - 2011.06.27 19:39:00 - [145]
 

Protip, if you get podded with the monocle on you get a new one when your medical clone is restored.

Kale Pershaw
Posted - 2011.06.27 19:41:00 - [146]
 

Originally by: DurrHurrDurr
Protip, if you get podded with the monocle on you get a new one when your medical clone is restored.


WOOT! Endless supply of targets! Laughing

Jasdemi
Interstellar Whine Brewery
Monocle Overlords
Posted - 2011.06.27 19:45:00 - [147]
 

I'll soon join the sacred monocle club!

DaRuLe
Caldari
Posted - 2011.06.27 19:50:00 - [148]
 

Originally by: DurrHurrDurr
Protip, if you get podded with the monocle on you get a new one when your medical clone is restored.


Dude! You look just like Hilmar Veigar Pétursson! Very Happy

Wait a minute....YARRRR!!

Ispai Ponue
Caldari Provisions
Posted - 2011.06.27 19:50:00 - [149]
 

Originally by: DurrHurrDurr
Protip, if you get podded with the monocle on you get a new one when your medical clone is restored.


OK, I have to say that THIS is worth unsubbing over.

Jax Mones
Barr Heavy Industries
STR8NGE BREW
Posted - 2011.06.27 20:04:00 - [150]
 

POWER TO THE MONOCLE


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