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Amarr
Viziam
Posted - 2011.06.27 09:05:00 - [1]
 

First things first - we wouldn't be complaining if the core game wasn't worth defending.
None of us can really say that EvE Online is anything short of amazing - and unique.

The real issue we're looking at here is one of finance and revenue.

CCP have obviously made big investments recently in terms of infrastructure to support this unique and groundbreaking unsharded universe and also development of WoD and Dust.

I don't think for one second that CCP really think selling monocles enhances the gameplay experience for 95% of players. Surely it's their way of adding a new much needed revenue stream. The next step then is 'gold plated bullets' - which CCP have advised will NOT be part of the game. My guess is that CCP would have naturally explored this until they met resistance - i.e. squeeze until the community screamed - but the community have been astute and already shouted long and hard - hence the 'no golden bullet' statement. I may be being a bit insincere here but we can only speculate at the moment.

So - assuming that we want this game to work, what suggestions do you have to increase revenue?

I don't think an increase in subscription is the best way to go. Rather than hit the entire player base, it needs to be something that allows people with spare cash to burn to purchase without impacting the balance of the game.

Personally - I think vanity items (monocles / ship skins / fancy pants) is only part of the story but I want to hear your 'impact free' money making ideas to solve the underlying issue. MONEY !!!!

Murev Vorchilde
Caldari
End Game.
Posted - 2011.06.27 09:09:00 - [2]
 

Edited by: Murev Vorchilde on 27/06/2011 09:09:16
use eve money to fund eve instead of sending it to 2 other games

Lemmy Kravitz
Minmatar
Rebirth.
Posted - 2011.06.27 09:12:00 - [3]
 

Edited by: Lemmy Kravitz on 27/06/2011 09:16:22
keep vanity items as is, make moar stuff to play barbie's doll house if you want to. Never ever make an item you can buy that will actually effect gameplay with real cash ie, special ships, ammo, boosters, implants, etc.. etc.. Make industrials able to make vanity items.

Build your playerbase by continuing to refine core gameplay. Make sure you can pew in stations just like you can pew in space. More players = moar dumb ****s that will buy vanity items. Especially when you have walking and pewing in station, people will want to look a bit better when putting a hole in a war target.

Katrina Cortez
Posted - 2011.06.27 09:16:00 - [4]
 

1) Apology from Hilmar.
2) Return ship hangar for immersion, those with multiple clients, and performance issues.
3) other posts above

Hatchet Q
Caldari
Perkone
Posted - 2011.06.27 09:17:00 - [5]
 

- Drop aurum. CCP should exchange it for ISK.
- Make current vanity items cost isk.
- Upgrade eve-online store (RL items!)
- Make items more expensive if necessary.
- Purchasing RL items will give you special codes, that lets you claim vanity items. For example - purchasing Apocalypse model, will get you a non-tradable paint kit for your ingame apocalypse. Purchasing RL t-shirt will give you code to claim such shirt for your avatar, etc...
- Eve trading game cards? Where did those go?
- Purchasing a deck gives you a small chance of getting special (extra-rare) vanity items. Pirate eye-patch for your avatar? Yarr!


Jax Mones
Barr Heavy Industries
STR8NGE BREW
Posted - 2011.06.27 09:17:00 - [6]
 

Keep the items and their prices, add more items, ships(consumes a regular ship, as explained in AT9)

only vanity items (as intended)
stay away from golden bullets (as discussed, not intended)

Myfanwy Heimdal
Caldari
Posted - 2011.06.27 09:18:00 - [7]
 

Is there a revenue issus with EVE itself? Or is there a revenue issue within CPP at all?

All I have heard is the wish to maximise revenue from we cash cows rather than a statement that CCP is having a financial deficit.

I can understand CCP wishing to create two more games. If they are having trouble funding both then mothball one until the other is launched. Or raise bonds based on those games.

As far as I see it there is no need for CCP to raise income unless there is something drastically amiss somewhere and then the two other projects should be culled.

Of course, perhaps CCP may have got to that classic situation of too many chiefs and too few indians. Then all they can do is to wipe out layers of useless middle management at a stroke.

Constantinus Maximus
Paxian Expeditionary Force
Posted - 2011.06.27 09:19:00 - [8]
 

Edited by: Constantinus Maximus on 27/06/2011 09:19:57
Impossible really.

Subscription business in a niche market with limits to it's expansion, does not mix with the type of people who are invested.

They would be MAD!! if there wasn't "growth" at the end of the year.

Even when they had 100% of the market captured.

Tolaskar Hardrada
Men of Providence
Posted - 2011.06.27 09:20:00 - [9]
 

The problem with CCP is that they are using EVE Online to fund not only EVE but Dust and WOD as well. Mathematically and financially this can not be done. This has already been proven, GameCrazy being used to support Movie Gallery and Hollywood Video is a very good example (for those who live in American and know what I am talking about). CCP is very much a small private company and they are idiotically trying to pretend they are EA or Activision. At this point the upper management have shown they are pretty ****ing stupid.

Seako
Gallente
Arx Io Orbital Factories
Arx Io
Posted - 2011.06.27 09:23:00 - [10]
 

EvE today is powered by less than 5 devs that mainly work on the Incarna shop part. We got a new maller, all the other ships need overhaul too. But there aint even a single ship in pipeline. Everybody is working on WoD and Dust.

Canuk EroSennin
Gallente
Public Security Section Nine
Posted - 2011.06.27 09:29:00 - [11]
 

Well I would suggest the following


1. Sell Vanity Items for decent prices
2. Be able to use AUR to bribe concord/faction officials to raise your faction/concord standing to a Maximum of 0.00
3. Rebalance PLEX/GTC/TIMECODE options to involve a 365 day code, 6 month code, and a 2 month code. (2+6 month only available for Timecode Bazaar)
4. Allow certain authorized people to sell GTC's locally for cash in their region. (To expand the game to those who do not have access to a credit card)
5. The Majority of eve income should go towards the betterment of EVE online.
6. Create 5 SUPERGATES in Jita, Hek, Dodixie, Rens and Amarr which you pay a certain reasonable amount of AUR for a monthly pass to use.

Thats all I can think of at the moment.

Valei Khurelem
Posted - 2011.06.27 09:45:00 - [12]
 

If I were in charge at CCP

. I would immediately remove the item store and put these items out for free on the customization screen so that people can use them when they like since they already paid for them through subscriptions and PLEX

. Look through the logs of the gamemasters and support staff and fire people who have been unnecessarily rude and patronising to customers

. Introduce a hotfix that sets the Captain's Quarters off by default and allows people to turn it on if they want it, that includes any extra space station interiors later on

. Start a thread that allows people to post the balance complaints officially and report any bugs or problems with the latest expansion, I would also kick the QA staff into gear and have them give me reports on what to fix so we can at least get things in working order

. I would apologise to the playerbase and admit it is a bad idea and paying such ridiculous sums of money for a pair of virtual pants or monocles is not an option for those who are already paying for the game itself

. To prevent anything more stupid from happening I would get rid of CSM ( yeah you heard me ) and actually make it compulsory to log on the forums or the game itself for at least one hour a week and talk to players or play the game and find out if there is anything wrong rather than use CSM as an extra PR group to make it seem as if players are being listened to


The reason CCP and EVE has become such a disaster is not just because of the expansion or the store, it is because of the complete and blatant abandonment of not only work ethic but also business ethic. If you can't understand that you are delivering a game, a work of art, to the player base and not just a mass-produced product designed to make money. Then you not only shouldn't be in the games industry and should stay the hell away from it, but you should also never purchase a single game again, because it shows you simply haven't got any interest in the way games work and how the customers experience them.

Alejan Gerakh
Minmatar
Clan Hyena
Posted - 2011.06.27 09:54:00 - [13]
 

Originally by: Murev Vorchilde
use eve money to fund eve instead of sending it to 2 other games
And where do you propose they get the money for the two other games? I'm all for EVE funds for EVE, but I imagine they're trying to show they're not a one-trick pony, too.

daint666
Minmatar
WEPRA CORP
White Noise.
Posted - 2011.06.27 09:55:00 - [14]
 

IF i win the euromillions next week I promise you i will buy out CCP and turn EvE into the game the players want it to be xD

Tolaskar Hardrada
Men of Providence
Posted - 2011.06.27 09:56:00 - [15]
 

Originally by: Alejan Gerakh
Originally by: Murev Vorchilde
use eve money to fund eve instead of sending it to 2 other games
And where do you propose they get the money for the two other games? I'm all for EVE funds for EVE, but I imagine they're trying to show they're not a one-trick pony, too.


Like any other developer; outside investment, cash reserve, or cash from profit. Currently operating capital from EVE is going into Dust and WoD. Which makes sense for Dust but not for WoD.

Death Merchant
United Mining And Distribution
Posted - 2011.06.27 09:59:00 - [16]
 

Originally by: daint666
IF i win the euromillions next week I promise you i will buy out CCP and turn EvE into the game the players want it to be xD


I would buy my own tropical island to drink and have sex with beautiful women all day, but I guess your idea is good too....

Tolaskar Hardrada
Men of Providence
Posted - 2011.06.27 10:00:00 - [17]
 

Originally by: Death Merchant
Originally by: daint666
IF i win the euromillions next week I promise you i will buy out CCP and turn EvE into the game the players want it to be xD


I would buy my own tropical island to drink and have sex with beautiful women all day, but I guess your idea is good too....


You're assuming he doesn't already have his own tropical island to drink and have sex with beautiful women all day, maybe he's playing the euromillions for fun and likewise for Eve ;)

Klandi
Consortium of stella Technologies
Posted - 2011.06.27 10:02:00 - [18]
 

Posting in a thread of dreamers...

Joe Forum
Amarr
Posted - 2011.06.27 10:02:00 - [19]
 

Very simple.

Offer a Premium Subscription - for exactly $1 more per month.

Have that $1 automatically buy CCP stock each month (for the subscriber). There are many small investment vehicles which make it easy to do pooled investments and 'fractional' share purchase.

CCP market value has an upwards pressure, plus paying custoemrs become shareholders and are more able to control 'their' game.

Sellendis
Caldari
Posted - 2011.06.27 10:05:00 - [20]
 

Originally by: Alejan Gerakh
Originally by: Murev Vorchilde
use eve money to fund eve instead of sending it to 2 other games
And where do you propose they get the money for the two other games? I'm all for EVE funds for EVE, but I imagine they're trying to show they're not a one-trick pony, too.


How about they find investors for those other 2 games? You know, someone to pay for development and they get a part of game profits when it goes up.

Not take funding from eve and split it among 2 games in development and 1 game that brings money. Its obvious to everyone that eve is suffering by this method, they dont give a damn about bug reports, balancing issues, they didnt fix old bugs (and some of them are years old).

We get a small room with rusty walls, slower UI than the hangar view, big system requirements increase (for a useless room), visual turret upgrade and 1 remodeled ship.
If they fixed bugs and improved things already mentioned, they would make a better expansion than this.

Alejan Gerakh
Minmatar
Clan Hyena
Posted - 2011.06.27 10:06:00 - [21]
 

Originally by: Tolaskar Hardrada
Originally by: Alejan Gerakh
Originally by: Murev Vorchilde
use eve money to fund eve instead of sending it to 2 other games
And where do you propose they get the money for the two other games? I'm all for EVE funds for EVE, but I imagine they're trying to show they're not a one-trick pony, too.


Like any other developer; outside investment, cash reserve, or cash from profit. Currently operating capital from EVE is going into Dust and WoD. Which makes sense for Dust but not for WoD.
Ah, yes. In fact, White Wolf should probably help foot the bill (and may in fact do so?) for WoD... I'm actually not that aware of how this all really is setup, financially.

Alejan Gerakh
Minmatar
Clan Hyena
Posted - 2011.06.27 10:09:00 - [22]
 

Edited by: Alejan Gerakh on 27/06/2011 10:12:58
Edited by: Alejan Gerakh on 27/06/2011 10:11:15
Edited by: Alejan Gerakh on 27/06/2011 10:10:59
Originally by: Sellendis
Originally by: Alejan Gerakh
Originally by: Murev Vorchilde
use eve money to fund eve instead of sending it to 2 other games
And where do you propose they get the money for the two other games? I'm all for EVE funds for EVE, but I imagine they're trying to show they're not a one-trick pony, too.


How about they find investors for those other 2 games? You know, someone to pay for development and they get a part of game profits when it goes up.

Not take funding from eve and split it among 2 games in development and 1 game that brings money. Its obvious to everyone that eve is suffering by this method, they dont give a damn about bug reports, balancing issues, they didnt fix old bugs (and some of them are years old).

We get a small room with rusty walls, slower UI than the hangar view, big system requirements increase (for a useless room), visual turret upgrade and 1 remodeled ship.
If they fixed bugs and improved things already mentioned, they would make a better expansion than this.

Well, they DID adjust things with missions (EWar fixes, I think I recall reading in the patch notes? Also covered by Big Dumb Object's devBlog, which admittedly had a poorly timed release) and probes, as well as at least one minor buff to Jump Bridges which seemed to go ignored.

EDIT: Oh, right, and the new Agent Finder, and the new Corporation advert/search functionality.

And, yes, all the Carbon underlying framework stuff they do, which supposedly allows them to more easily improve EVE later, and even pass those improvements on to those other two projects you keep talking about.

Yldrad
The Dandy KillerS
Posted - 2011.06.27 10:12:00 - [23]
 

More localization: japanese, french, spanish, ...

EvE become more accessible without dumbing the game.

Judy BigShot
Big Shot - For the Bounty Hunters
Posted - 2011.06.27 10:12:00 - [24]
 

CCP has financal problems.
Why?
DUST and WoD and all those 500+ staff cost too much.
So, sell those 2 insecure investements, focus back on EVE and its paying customers.
300k * 10$ per month = 3m$ / month.
Yeah, you should be able to pay your servers and around 150 people with that.
150 workers should be more than enough to keep EVE a very cool MMO in future.
And yeah, for those who need it, bring in the custom pixels - but NO game changing ones.

Alejan Gerakh
Minmatar
Clan Hyena
Posted - 2011.06.27 10:15:00 - [25]
 

Originally by: Yldrad
More localization: japanese, french, spanish, ...

EvE become more accessible without dumbing the game.
And hopefully they can pay for the extra localization teams, as well as get highly qualified ones to keep the fluff and instructions intact.

crymyname
Posted - 2011.06.27 10:19:00 - [26]
 

Originally by: Myfanwy Heimdal
Is there a revenue issus with EVE itself? Or is there a revenue issue within CPP at all?

All I have heard is the wish to maximise revenue from we cash cows rather than a statement that CCP is having a financial deficit.

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ok this is near impossable if you take what they make a month just off the 1 eve server ..
320k subs x 14=4800000 most if not all there equipment is now paid for ..
and remember they have income off the server in china ...


microsoft and sony are probably trying to screw them on a lisece for dust ..and we have to pay for it .. not good from our point ,but ccp see a bigger cash cow so if we do leave they have dust ...
hence why you should unsub till things are made clear ..

Florestan Bronstein
24th Imperial Crusade
Posted - 2011.06.27 10:23:00 - [27]
 

Edited by: Florestan Bronstein on 27/06/2011 10:24:39

kill DUST
kill WoD (try to sell White Wolf)
1 expansion per year
maybe increase subscription cost
target a stagnant 250k-350k subscribers

accept that CCP will die together with EVE at some point.

Elrica bloodbane
Posted - 2011.06.27 10:33:00 - [28]
 

Edited by: Elrica bloodbane on 27/06/2011 10:34:35
Turn the MT store into a real store.
Paid for in plex or paypal,etc.
With real items for sale, eve t-shirts
eve mugs dust items t-shirts etc.
Licence the IP out.
Let people produce eve related items, and sell online ingame.
Use the new money to develop dust etc.

And fix eve.

Markus Jome
Posted - 2011.06.27 10:38:00 - [29]
 

Step 1: keeping the income you already have.

There is a 10k+ posts threatmonster in this forum which explains pretty exactly how to do this, so i won't waste time explaining the exact details here.

Patient 2428190
DEGRREE'Fo'FREE Internet Business School
Posted - 2011.06.27 10:43:00 - [30]
 

Removing the cash store and giving you stuff for free because you are extra special cuddly customers doesn't make CCP money. If you haven't noticed, the playerbase will rage at everything.

See: Learning skills removed and skillpoints refunded and how did the customers respond? "WTF OMG RUINING THE GAME WATERING IT DOWN OMFG IMMA QUITTIN"


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