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Jenshae Chiroptera
Posted - 2011.06.27 11:40:00 - [121]
 

Edited by: Jenshae Chiroptera on 27/06/2011 11:40:44
Edited by: Jenshae Chiroptera on 27/06/2011 11:40:08
Originally by: Lucilla Giulia
Originally by: Nyssa Litari
Dear CCP,

It is not that you made the NeX items unreasonably pricy, although you have. It is not that we merely dislike change. Some of us dislike it, some of us welcome it.

It is that your business plan, from everything we can see, intends to take away the gameplay central to Eve; the player-driven economy. You're planning on making players that have spent time training for manufacturing, researching blueprints to wring out research efficiencies compete with a deus ex credit card.

<snip>

Regards,

Nyssa





Just so also in other posts CCP might read a very good post

I would like to add that, "If you sell ships, fittings and such. What is left for me to achieve. Why should I play at all?"

Lara Dantreb
New Horizons
Posted - 2011.06.27 11:59:00 - [122]
 

Edited by: Lara Dantreb on 27/06/2011 12:01:07
Originally by: Jenshae Chiroptera
I would like to add that, "If you sell ships, fittings and such. What is left for me to achieve. Why should I play at all?"


I believe everyone agrees on this

one part thinks it could happen and is scared it could happen
the other part thinks that ccp has always been successful and for the good of EVE and it will continue

edit : quote, typo

Alejan Gerakh
Minmatar
Clan Hyena
Posted - 2011.06.27 12:00:00 - [123]
 

Originally by: Jenshae Chiroptera

I would like to add that, "If you sell ships, fittings and such. What is left for me to achieve. Why should I play at all?"
That is the thing, isn't it? If this really is their plan, the entire Industrial part of the game becomes meaningless. In fact, Sov almost becomes moot, too. These are some of the reasons why I prefer to err on the side of doubt on the true meaning of the newsletter and email. Because it really is THAT stupid; that's half of the work on the game wasted.

Rykuss
Gallente
Posted - 2011.06.27 12:04:00 - [124]
 

People were fine with letting you have your circle jerk all over the forum, we're used to it afterall. Rolling Eyes As always, your logic is sound since noone could possibly have any other opinon than your own. Seriously, did you expect the rest of the player base to just take it while you screwed with their play time? Hahahaha! You did, didn't you? Laughing

Alejan Gerakh
Minmatar
Clan Hyena
Posted - 2011.06.27 12:04:00 - [125]
 

Originally by: Lara Dantreb
I believe everyone agrees on this

one part think it could happen and is scared it could happen
the other part thinks that ccp has always been successful and for the good of EVE and it will continue
Flawed, as usual. There are spectrums of opinions. I'm one of the ones somewhere inbetween. I'm not quite sure what to think, that is. I've seen the jist of the newsletter (as well as what you guys said about it, and what Zulu has tried to explain about it, and taken all of both to formulate various theories) as well as the entirety of the email (which I actually decide to be uncertain as to what he meant by the 'reaction', and subsequently made a few theories on that, as well). I understand how easily these things can be seen as doom, and I'm about as afraid as you guys, but I seem to have not been quite as disillusioned of CCP prior to these leaks, so I decided to be more prone to being undecided.

Juliette DuBois
Posted - 2011.06.27 12:07:00 - [126]
 

The point is that you buy all the stuff they have in offering quickly in order not to get bored. Then you also go to their other games like WoD and spend more, and more, and more... Twisted Evil

Lara Dantreb
New Horizons
Posted - 2011.06.27 12:08:00 - [127]
 

Originally by: Alejan Gerakh
Flawed, as usual. There are spectrums of opinions. I'm one of the ones somewhere inbetween. I'm not quite sure what to think, that is.

.../...


Sure you are right. Everyone feels differently. I'm in the contemplative part : when in doubt, sit and wait and see. But I'm on the second part of my life already Wink

Dopesick
Minmatar
The Ankou
Raiden.
Posted - 2011.06.27 12:08:00 - [128]
 

Edited by: Dopesick on 27/06/2011 12:09:44
Originally by: Sakura Ren Fenikkusu
Edited by: Sakura Ren Fenikkusu on 27/06/2011 02:49:56
The protests are just dieing down, probably with all the recent bans and thread locks, and more of the reasonable voices are being heard.

I've been trying to spread the facts and pure logic behind CCPs actions and recent events, but people still want to bash CCP and threaten to unsubscribe.

I'll repost this, in case you have an questions of my identity:

*Puts hand on bible*

I swear that I am not an employee of, or affiliated with CCP.

I swear that I have not been paid, in any way shape or form, to post on these or related forums.

I swear that anybody who says otherwise is just a forum troll.

*Takes hand off bible*

I saw an honest attempt by CCP to answer questions and to calm people down when this first started happening, but CCP Pann had his/her family emergency, and we were left with no-one that could answer our questions.

Now CCP Zulu has written a dev blog, explaining that they will be holding a special CSM meeting to get facts straight and to hear our ideas/suggestions/complaints. It's really is the best we could hope for.


I keep the buy-bull in a pool of blood so that none of it's lies can effect me.

Seriously, most all of us 7-8 year vets (and even newer concerned players) want is a definitive answer to one question; Is CCP going to introduce pay-to-win MT's into Eve Online or not? It's a yes or no question that doesn't need days or weeks to answer. The fact that there has not been a definitive answer to this point in time screams a resounding "maybe" or "yes" because no would be so easy to say if they have no plans for it.

Alejan Gerakh
Minmatar
Clan Hyena
Posted - 2011.06.27 12:17:00 - [129]
 

Originally by: Dopesick
I keep the buy-bull in a pool of blood so that none of it's lies can effect me.

Seriously, most all of us 7-8 year vets (and even newer concerned players) want is a definitive answer to one question; Is CCP going to introduce pay-to-win MT's into Eve Online or not? It's a yes or no question that doesn't need days or weeks to answer. The fact that there has not been a definitive answer to this point in time screams a resounding "maybe" or "yes" because no would be so easy to say if they have no plans for it.
I just figured I'd at least highlight a few of my theories on this:

What Zulu said about miscommunication/mistrust/whatever it was that I can't remember may in fact have been about CCP internal affairs only, and not players' reaction to CCP. In fact, it may have been clumsily worded to obfuscate his meaning intentionally; who knows, since CCP is apparently poor at communication.

That's another element to these theories: The presumably established fact that CCP internal communications are borked, and subsequently their attempts to communicate to an unusually irate community of players are clumsy and failed, and thus they more or less have either erred on the side of caution, or their attempts at telling us they aren't doing what we fear they are doing are clumsy enough and flawed enough that we, as we/you have, misinterpreted it as being vague and intentionally placating.

I personally think CCP might be incapable of being that cunning. Or perhaps they really are that cunning. Again, I'm undecided.

Handsom Dan
Posted - 2011.06.27 12:20:00 - [130]
 

Originally by: RougeOperator
Edited by: RougeOperator on 27/06/2011 02:44:31
Edited by: RougeOperator on 27/06/2011 02:44:15
Originally by: Reloadin
Quote:
Thoughts?


You don't know how to spell rogue?


Then it wouldn't mean Red in french. It would imply that im a thief or scoundrel the other way.

The actual mistake was missing the space bar between words....Wink


I see what you did there.

RougeOperator
Posted - 2011.06.27 12:21:00 - [131]
 

Originally by: Alejan Gerakh
Originally by: Dopesick
I keep the buy-bull in a pool of blood so that none of it's lies can effect me.

Seriously, most all of us 7-8 year vets (and even newer concerned players) want is a definitive answer to one question; Is CCP going to introduce pay-to-win MT's into Eve Online or not? It's a yes or no question that doesn't need days or weeks to answer. The fact that there has not been a definitive answer to this point in time screams a resounding "maybe" or "yes" because no would be so easy to say if they have no plans for it.
I just figured I'd at least highlight a few of my theories on this:

What Zulu said about miscommunication/mistrust/whatever it was that I can't remember may in fact have been about CCP internal affairs only, and not players' reaction to CCP. In fact, it may have been clumsily worded to obfuscate his meaning intentionally; who knows, since CCP is apparently poor at communication.

That's another element to these theories: The presumably established fact that CCP internal communications are borked, and subsequently their attempts to communicate to an unusually irate community of players are clumsy and failed, and thus they more or less have either erred on the side of caution, or their attempts at telling us they aren't doing what we fear they are doing are clumsy enough and flawed enough that we, as we/you have, misinterpreted it as being vague and intentionally placating.

I personally think CCP might be incapable of being that cunning. Or perhaps they really are that cunning. Again, I'm undecided.


Newsletter wasnt just Opinions. It is koolaid, telling the staff which directing the company was going. It was very real.

Alejan Gerakh
Minmatar
Clan Hyena
Posted - 2011.06.27 12:23:00 - [132]
 

Edited by: Alejan Gerakh on 27/06/2011 12:29:05
Originally by: RougeOperator
Originally by: Alejan Gerakh
Originally by: Dopesick
I keep the buy-bull in a pool of blood so that none of it's lies can effect me.

Seriously, most all of us 7-8 year vets (and even newer concerned players) want is a definitive answer to one question; Is CCP going to introduce pay-to-win MT's into Eve Online or not? It's a yes or no question that doesn't need days or weeks to answer. The fact that there has not been a definitive answer to this point in time screams a resounding "maybe" or "yes" because no would be so easy to say if they have no plans for it.
I just figured I'd at least highlight a few of my theories on this:

What Zulu said about miscommunication/mistrust/whatever it was that I can't remember may in fact have been about CCP internal affairs only, and not players' reaction to CCP. In fact, it may have been clumsily worded to obfuscate his meaning intentionally; who knows, since CCP is apparently poor at communication.

That's another element to these theories: The presumably established fact that CCP internal communications are borked, and subsequently their attempts to communicate to an unusually irate community of players are clumsy and failed, and thus they more or less have either erred on the side of caution, or their attempts at telling us they aren't doing what we fear they are doing are clumsy enough and flawed enough that we, as we/you have, misinterpreted it as being vague and intentionally placating.

I personally think CCP might be incapable of being that cunning. Or perhaps they really are that cunning. Again, I'm undecided.


Newsletter wasnt just Opinions. It is koolaid, telling the staff which directing the company was going. It was very real.
Yes, and didn't it have both sides of the topic? Both "All for MT!" and "No to MT!"?

EDIT: Again, these are aspects to theories on this situation that I've put together in my head. In this case, it's the idea that the newsletter was part of a reaffirmation of their intent to actually honor the promise, by highlighting how ridiculously uncaring the MT route would turn out to be if taken to the extreme. Part of this theory asks the question of whether the newsletter was followed up with one that basically said "Wasn't that 'all for MT' argument stupid? Let's not do that, yeah?" Though really I have no idea, since I only saw the one newsletter. And on the matter of it, the cover says "Greed is Good?" with a question mark. If it was an exclamation point, I'd be more surely concerned. But that's a question mark, and, at least to me, communicates a doubtful tone. But maybe I'm just slightly on the optimistic side. Still, the risk of them actually believing this stuff is real.

Lucia Warbler
Native Freshfood
Posted - 2011.06.27 12:24:00 - [133]
 

I resubscribed to Eve 2 days ago so my newly updated avatar might not show to you. Anyway, I haven't really bothered to show my support on the forums. I already did that when I resubbed and I imagine many who want to see Incarna go forward will too.

That time for plex feature was nifty by the way. I didn't have to petition to use plex to get going again.

Terminal Insanity
Minmatar
Convex Enterprises
Posted - 2011.06.27 12:25:00 - [134]
 

is the OP's point that everyone defending NeX/CCP is a CCP employee? If so, wheres my paycheck? lol

I've been accused of being a CCP employee, but if you search my forum history i've said some pretty mean **** to CCP in the past. I live in Canada and there's no Canadian CCP office that i know of... =P

The reason i've started posting suddenly is that i cant believe all this ****s still going on. i've been playing eve like normal and then i come back here to see all you whiney *****es still going on about absolute horse****.

CCP has stated they wont sell non-vanity items in NeX. the current devblog specifically says this. They have stated they will not sell non-vanity items in NeX. CCP says they will not sell non-vanity items in NeX. According to the devblog, NeX will not contain non-vanity items.

I dont know how many different ways to word this. Perhaps CCP should hire a linguist and have him write a book, listing every single individual item that will not be sold in NeX. Judging by the crowd of idiots in here, i'd guess that book would probably start with aardvark, not that they'd know what the **** that is, but as long as its not sold in my NeX!

Gnulpie
Minmatar
Miner Tech
Posted - 2011.06.27 12:27:00 - [135]
 

Why would they wait until the weekend is over? Is there no other internet access in Iceland than the CCP office? Razz

Do you really believe they wouldn't know what was going on just before they entered office Monday morning?

Hirana Yoshida
Behavioral Affront
Posted - 2011.06.27 12:27:00 - [136]
 

Originally by: RougeOperator
...Stop being stupid.

So you honestly consider jumping at shadows and letting paranoia based on rumour and hearsay rule your life to be the less stupid option?

You my dear need help, serious tied-down-24hr-medication help.

Dopesick
Minmatar
The Ankou
Raiden.
Posted - 2011.06.27 12:29:00 - [137]
 

Originally by: Alejan Gerakh
Originally by: Dopesick
I keep the buy-bull in a pool of blood so that none of it's lies can effect me.

Seriously, most all of us 7-8 year vets (and even newer concerned players) want is a definitive answer to one question; Is CCP going to introduce pay-to-win MT's into Eve Online or not? It's a yes or no question that doesn't need days or weeks to answer. The fact that there has not been a definitive answer to this point in time screams a resounding "maybe" or "yes" because no would be so easy to say if they have no plans for it.
I just figured I'd at least highlight a few of my theories on this:

What Zulu said about miscommunication/mistrust/whatever it was that I can't remember may in fact have been about CCP internal affairs only, and not players' reaction to CCP. In fact, it may have been clumsily worded to obfuscate his meaning intentionally; who knows, since CCP is apparently poor at communication.

That's another element to these theories: The presumably established fact that CCP internal communications are borked, and subsequently their attempts to communicate to an unusually irate community of players are clumsy and failed, and thus they more or less have either erred on the side of caution, or their attempts at telling us they aren't doing what we fear they are doing are clumsy enough and flawed enough that we, as we/you have, misinterpreted it as being vague and intentionally placating.

I personally think CCP might be incapable of being that cunning. Or perhaps they really are that cunning. Again, I'm undecided.


Yes, maybe or no aren't that difficult to type in a reply to the pay-to-win question.

RougeOperator
Posted - 2011.06.27 12:29:00 - [138]
 

Edited by: RougeOperator on 27/06/2011 12:30:50
Originally by: Hirana Yoshida
Originally by: RougeOperator
...Stop being stupid.

So you honestly consider jumping at shadows and letting paranoia based on rumour and hearsay rule your life to be the less stupid option?

You my dear need help, serious tied-down-24hr-medication help.


Rumors? We had the Newsletter and the Email both confirmed. Worse yet there were only two opinion parts in the newsletter. The rest of it was full steam ahead into game altering items.

You are not tarded beyond belief.

Karl Planck
Labyrinth Obtaining Chaotic Kangaroos
Posted - 2011.06.27 12:31:00 - [139]
 

Originally by: Nova Fox
More like we're tired of it.

"Cry me a river, build a bridge and get over it." sort of mentality is setting in.


+1

Azztoroid
Shipwreck cove
Posted - 2011.06.27 12:33:00 - [140]
 

Could be that alot of us grants CCP a ceasefire until the 2nd July.....


Raquel Smith
Caldari
Freedom-Technologies
Sev3rance
Posted - 2011.06.27 12:33:00 - [141]
 

Originally by: RougeOperator
Thoughts?


You're a mook.

Alejan Gerakh
Minmatar
Clan Hyena
Posted - 2011.06.27 12:33:00 - [142]
 

Originally by: Dopesick
Yes, maybe or no aren't that difficult to type in a reply to the pay-to-win question.
That's true, but how do you know what CCP's view of the angry segment of the community is like? They may have been trying as best they could, as flawed as it may have been, to say 'no', but their silliness (ie, Big Dumb Object's devBlog on the PvE fixes and the complaints you made on his imprecise language) got in the way, and now that they might realise the silliness doesn't help, they may in fact feel it is too late to say it outright, as we may just ignore it as lies and slander out of hand.

Again, this is part of one of the theories I just happen to have in my head that keeps me undecided.

Handsom Dan
Posted - 2011.06.27 12:41:00 - [143]
 

Originally by: Lara Dantreb
Originally by: Alejan Gerakh
Flawed, as usual. There are spectrums of opinions. I'm one of the ones somewhere inbetween. I'm not quite sure what to think, that is.

.../...


Sure you are right. Everyone feels differently. I'm in the contemplative part : when in doubt, sit and wait and see. But I'm on the second part of my life already Wink


^^This.

That being said, I'm building my aluminum foil hat as we speak. Then, I too can be called an emo raging pubbie.

Hirana Yoshida
Behavioral Affront
Posted - 2011.06.27 12:44:00 - [144]
 

Originally by: RougeOperator
Rumors?...

"Newsletter" is used as a development tool to keep people thinking, very common practise to use scenarios/roleplay for that purpose in fast paced industries.
Basically the same approach as having one side of a debate taking the role of devil's advocate.

Email was referring to the pricing scheme, which you would know if you was able to read/think clearly. How else could he use the sale of 52 holes-in-head as vindication for it?

Earlier last week CCP deliberately scrapped plans to introduce a ship-for-AUR (Ishukone Scorp) due to player concerns that it violated the market mechanics .. it will be reintroduced as a BPC trade-in type of thing at a later date.
How does that action fit into the your paranoid idea that the plan is to make Eve into a P2W game? (Don't bother answering, already I know - clearly a ruse/deceit/coverup/etc.!!!1111)

So yes, rumours and paranoia.

Alejan Gerakh
Minmatar
Clan Hyena
Posted - 2011.06.27 12:50:00 - [145]
 

Originally by: Hirana Yoshida
Originally by: RougeOperator
Rumors?...

"Newsletter" is used as a development tool to keep people thinking, very common practise to use scenarios/roleplay for that purpose in fast paced industries.
Basically the same approach as having one side of a debate taking the role of devil's advocate.

Email was referring to the pricing scheme, which you would know if you was able to read/think clearly. How else could he use the sale of 52 holes-in-head as vindication for it?

Earlier last week CCP deliberately scrapped plans to introduce a ship-for-AUR (Ishukone Scorp) due to player concerns that it violated the market mechanics .. it will be reintroduced as a BPC trade-in type of thing at a later date.
How does that action fit into the your paranoid idea that the plan is to make Eve into a P2W game? (Don't bother answering, already I know - clearly a ruse/deceit/coverup/etc.!!!1111)

So yes, rumours and paranoia.

I really should probably not try and explain my ideas that keep me undecided. As with all my previous experiences on the forums, they're probably ultimately a waste of my time when I could be playing more EVE or something while I wait for the end of the week.

Stormchyld
Minmatar
Posted - 2011.06.27 12:54:00 - [146]
 

Originally by: RougeOperator
Edited by: RougeOperator on 27/06/2011 02:51:19
Edited by: RougeOperator on 27/06/2011 02:42:53
So all the sudden there is the magical showing of support for CCP.

Alts of the company?

PR firm hired like those that go on sites/blogs to post comments?

They really are players but somehow missed the last weeks firestorm?

Add more options as you see fit.

But they were no where to be seen then all the sudden a wave of people show up with arguments that are torn down rather easily but try to justify MTs. While avoiding the other major issues like the lies and Leaks and blatant smoke and mirrors PR garbage that was tossed at us.

Thoughts?

Edit:
It seems they are creating a wave of new threads to bump the old ones that show negative thoughts.

Originally by: Constantinus Maximus
Originally by: fatboy21007
btw most of these folks runing around defending MT is just ccp alts trying to change are minds.


It's just funny how obvious it is.

3 days with no one voicing these ridiculous pro-MT statements.

CCP comes into the office and all of a sudden you have 20 people with no corp or avatar posting distracting black-intel and propaganda.

(they are starting to learn the need to create avatars first)


LOL true.




... wouldn't surprise me at all. but yes you have a point imo.... I didn't see all of these fanboy threads until yesterday and today. but who knows.... hey, maybe we will see a "leaked" e-mail or internal newsletter about fake forum fanboys in a day or 2 .... Wink

Dan Wilkie
Gallente
Universal Freelance
Posted - 2011.06.27 12:59:00 - [147]
 

Or maybe most of us just couldn't be bothered to post on the forums until things got completely out of hand ;)

Handsom Dan
Posted - 2011.06.27 12:59:00 - [148]
 

Originally by: RougeOperator
Originally by: Alejan Gerakh
Originally by: Dopesick
I keep the buy-bull in a pool of blood so that none of it's lies can effect me.

Seriously, most all of us 7-8 year vets (and even newer concerned players) want is a definitive answer to one question; Is CCP going to introduce pay-to-win MT's into Eve Online or not? It's a yes or no question that doesn't need days or weeks to answer. The fact that there has not been a definitive answer to this point in time screams a resounding "maybe" or "yes" because no would be so easy to say if they have no plans for it.
I just figured I'd at least highlight a few of my theories on this:

What Zulu said about miscommunication/mistrust/whatever it was that I can't remember may in fact have been about CCP internal affairs only, and not players' reaction to CCP. In fact, it may have been clumsily worded to obfuscate his meaning intentionally; who knows, since CCP is apparently poor at communication.

That's another element to these theories: The presumably established fact that CCP internal communications are borked, and subsequently their attempts to communicate to an unusually irate community of players are clumsy and failed, and thus they more or less have either erred on the side of caution, or their attempts at telling us they aren't doing what we fear they are doing are clumsy enough and flawed enough that we, as we/you have, misinterpreted it as being vague and intentionally placating.

I personally think CCP might be incapable of being that cunning. Or perhaps they really are that cunning. Again, I'm undecided.


Newsletter wasnt just Opinions. It is koolaid, telling the staff which directing the company was going. It was very real.


Do you have actual proof to say other wise? Or was your opinion fed to you buy someone else who is as equally clueless? Yes, you have no proof, just an opinion formed my emo rage and hysterics.. The letter was originally released with 2 pages missing. Why? Why would someone who is looking to get a reaction from the eve public make a decision to remove 2 pages? Maybe it's because it stated the intention of the newsletter and that wasn't convenient for the leakers intended purpose? I think we all need to just relax and see what happens instead of being internet emo cool and telling everyone else who wrong and stupid they are which is fairly pointless. Yes, I'm just as guilty, but look at how handsome I am.

Lara Dantreb
New Horizons
Posted - 2011.06.27 13:02:00 - [149]
 

Originally by: Stormchyld
... wouldn't surprise me at all. but yes you have a point imo.... I didn't see all of these fanboy threads until yesterday and today. but who knows.... hey, maybe we will see a "leaked" e-mail or internal newsletter about fake forum fanboys in a day or 2 .... Wink


Maybe even fanboys have a life the week-end, and time to play while at work the week Laughing

Popsikle
Minmatar
Caffeine Commodities Company
Posted - 2011.06.27 13:02:00 - [150]
 

Originally by: RougeOperator
Edited by: RougeOperator on 27/06/2011 02:51:19
Edited by: RougeOperator on 27/06/2011 02:42:53
So all the sudden there is the magical showing of support for CCP.

Alts of the company?

PR firm hired like those that go on sites/blogs to post comments?

They really are players but somehow missed the last weeks firestorm?

Add more options as you see fit.

But they were no where to be seen then all the sudden a wave of people show up with arguments that are torn down rather easily but try to justify MTs. While avoiding the other major issues like the lies and Leaks and blatant smoke and mirrors PR garbage that was tossed at us.

Thoughts?

Edit:
It seems they are creating a wave of new threads to bump the old ones that show negative thoughts.

Originally by: Constantinus Maximus
Originally by: fatboy21007
btw most of these folks runing around defending MT is just ccp alts trying to change are minds.


It's just funny how obvious it is.

3 days with no one voicing these ridiculous pro-MT statements.

CCP comes into the office and all of a sudden you have 20 people with no corp or avatar posting distracting black-intel and propaganda.

(they are starting to learn the need to create avatars first)


LOL true.




I just finally had enough of the idiocy that all you people were showing..... Assuming things are going to happent he way you want, quitting to go play WoT (heavy MT P2W game), etc...


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