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Zeko Rena
Caldari
Tankt
Posted - 2011.06.27 03:35:00 - [61]
 

Originally by: DurrHurrDurr
Originally by: Harcosi
I really enjoyed your commentary during the tournament, however:

Gold Ammo does not specifically rule out anything. They might not sell gold (coloured?) ammo, but what is to stop them from selling ships, modules etc.?


OH HERE WE GO.

Okay, you mongoloid. You know what I'm going to do? I'm going to explain to you in very simple terms what the devblog means.

When they use the quotes around "gold ammo" they're referring to the talking point being used. That talking point is that non-vanity MT items are coming to EVE, which has been commonly referred to as "gold ammo". They are saying no such thing is occurring. They have made reference to the common term being used.

You are seriously an idiot. Please look back and re-evaluate your life, and please consider taking some basic classes on communication as you apparently don't understand the use of narrative rather than speaking literally at all times.

Get out.


You sound quite upset, we're you hoping for gold ammo?

DurrHurrDurr
Posted - 2011.06.27 03:37:00 - [62]
 

Originally by: Zeko Rena
Originally by: DurrHurrDurr
Originally by: Harcosi
I really enjoyed your commentary during the tournament, however:

Gold Ammo does not specifically rule out anything. They might not sell gold (coloured?) ammo, but what is to stop them from selling ships, modules etc.?


OH HERE WE GO.

Okay, you mongoloid. You know what I'm going to do? I'm going to explain to you in very simple terms what the devblog means.

When they use the quotes around "gold ammo" they're referring to the talking point being used. That talking point is that non-vanity MT items are coming to EVE, which has been commonly referred to as "gold ammo". They are saying no such thing is occurring. They have made reference to the common term being used.

You are seriously an idiot. Please look back and re-evaluate your life, and please consider taking some basic classes on communication as you apparently don't understand the use of narrative rather than speaking literally at all times.

Get out.


You sound quite upset, we're you hoping for gold ammo?


I already have my baller-ass monocle.

Zeko Rena
Caldari
Tankt
Posted - 2011.06.27 03:38:00 - [63]
 

Originally by: DurrHurrDurr
Originally by: Zeko Rena
Originally by: DurrHurrDurr
Originally by: Harcosi
I really enjoyed your commentary during the tournament, however:

Gold Ammo does not specifically rule out anything. They might not sell gold (coloured?) ammo, but what is to stop them from selling ships, modules etc.?


OH HERE WE GO.

Okay, you mongoloid. You know what I'm going to do? I'm going to explain to you in very simple terms what the devblog means.

When they use the quotes around "gold ammo" they're referring to the talking point being used. That talking point is that non-vanity MT items are coming to EVE, which has been commonly referred to as "gold ammo". They are saying no such thing is occurring. They have made reference to the common term being used.

You are seriously an idiot. Please look back and re-evaluate your life, and please consider taking some basic classes on communication as you apparently don't understand the use of narrative rather than speaking literally at all times.

Get out.


You sound quite upset, we're you hoping for gold ammo?


I already have my baller-ass monocle.


Indeed you do, and at least you made your avatar picture so you can actually see it, most who i have seen with it have the camera zoomed so far out you can barely see it anyway lol

Benri Konpaku
Posted - 2011.06.27 03:42:00 - [64]
 

I'm sorry, I tried reading the OP but I'm too busy working on a $1000 pants launcher for my Ibis.

Gaylord Buttafuko
Posted - 2011.06.27 03:47:00 - [65]
 

So - where can I buy this gold ammo everyone keeps talking about?

HughG Reckshon
Posted - 2011.06.27 03:52:00 - [66]
 

Edited by: HughG Reckshon on 27/06/2011 03:52:37
Originally by: Harcosi
I really enjoyed your commentary during the tournament, however:

Gold Ammo does not specifically rule out anything. They might not sell gold (coloured?) ammo, but what is to stop them from selling ships, modules etc.?


Are you kidding me?

Plebs: "Are you going to sell non-vanity items such as 'gold' ammo in the future?"
Devs: "Items such as 'gold' ammo have not, are not and will not be considered"
Plebs: "Are you going to sell non-vanity items such as 'silver' ammo in the future?"
Devs: "Items such as 'silver' ammo have not, are not and will not be considered"
Plebs: "Red?"
Devs: "Items such as 'red' ammo have not, are not and will not be considered"
Plebs: "Yellow?"
Devs: :facepalm:

Are you going to literally list off every color of the rainbow in every item characterization before you finally get the point?

Pour yourself a nice calming cup of tea, read just how stupid the above is, read your post again, then post. Otherwise you look really, really, dumb.

mustangsally31
Amarr
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
Posted - 2011.06.27 04:04:00 - [67]
 

Originally by: George Wilkes Hill
Stopped reading at protesting pubbies. You elitest ****. You think you're better than everyone else because you live in null give me a break your a ****head just like the others who think that. Yeah and you were the ***** from the AT save your elitest bull**** for people who care you dumb****.

Test "Elitest" Laughing

Alina Wize
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
Posted - 2011.06.27 04:05:00 - [68]
 

Is it possible to wear two monocles at the same time?

Gaylord Buttafuko
Posted - 2011.06.27 04:06:00 - [69]
 

Originally by: HughG Reckshon


Are you kidding me?

Plebs: "Are you going to sell non-vanity items such as 'gold' ammo in the future?"
Devs: "Items such as 'gold' ammo have not, are not and will not be considered"
Plebs: "Are you going to sell non-vanity items such as 'silver' ammo in the future?"
Devs: "Items such as 'silver' ammo have not, are not and will not be considered"
Plebs: "Red?"
Devs: "Items such as 'red' ammo have not, are not and will not be considered"
Plebs: "Yellow?"
Devs: :facepalm:

Are you going to literally list off every color of the rainbow in every item characterization before you finally get the point?

Pour yourself a nice calming cup of tea, read just how stupid the above is, read your post again, then post. Otherwise you look really, really, dumb.


Ok - so no gold ammo. What about gold Ships? Amarrian ships have gold plating - is that good?

So why no gold ammo?

(sorry if the question sounds dumb, but I'm new to the game - is that the real michael bolton pvp expert from tv btw? - he's awesome!)

Lyris Nairn
Caldari
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2011.06.27 04:08:00 - [70]
 

Originally by: mustangsally31
Originally by: George Wilkes Hill
Stopped reading at protesting pubbies. You elitest ****. You think you're better than everyone else because you live in null give me a break your a ****head just like the others who think that. Yeah and you were the ***** from the AT save your elitest bull**** for people who care you dumb****.

Test "Elitest" Laughing

This guy thinks "pubbie" refers to someone who doesn't live in nullsec in EVE Online. And that TEST are elitist and good at this game. This is funny,

Linar Mardolak
Minmatar
Phlogiston Absorption
Posted - 2011.06.27 04:09:00 - [71]
 

Originally by: HughG Reckshon
Edited by: HughG Reckshon on 27/06/2011 03:52:37
Originally by: Harcosi
I really enjoyed your commentary during the tournament, however:

Gold Ammo does not specifically rule out anything. They might not sell gold (coloured?) ammo, but what is to stop them from selling ships, modules etc.?


Are you kidding me?

Plebs: "Are you going to sell non-vanity items such as 'gold' ammo in the future?"
Devs: "Items such as 'gold' ammo have not, are not and will not be considered"
Plebs: "Are you going to sell non-vanity items such as 'silver' ammo in the future?"
Devs: "Items such as 'silver' ammo have not, are not and will not be considered"
Plebs: "Red?"
Devs: "Items such as 'red' ammo have not, are not and will not be considered"
Plebs: "Yellow?"
Devs: :facepalm:

Are you going to literally list off every color of the rainbow in every item characterization before you finally get the point?

Pour yourself a nice calming cup of tea, read just how stupid the above is, read your post again, then post. Otherwise you look really, really, dumb.


How about "We will not sell any item or service that changes or bypasses game mechanics for real money, or for a real money equivalent"?

Alina Wize
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
Posted - 2011.06.27 04:10:00 - [72]
 

Originally by: Gaylord Buttafuko

(sorry if the question sounds dumb, but I'm new to the game - is that the real michael bolton pvp expert from tv btw? - he's awesome!)


confirming

Lyris Nairn
Caldari
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2011.06.27 04:11:00 - [73]
 

Originally by: George Wilkes Hill
Edited by: George Wilkes Hill on 27/06/2011 00:57:37
Originally by: michael boltonIII
Originally by: George Wilkes Hill
Originally by: Byshop Kayl
No one wanted to hear you speak during the AT, no one wants to hear it now. Even my girlfriend cringed every time she heard your voice come across the TV. Most of the time she just wanted you to shut your mouth and stop your unintelligent sputtering. This post, is just more of the same, with a smattering of CCP fanboi added for flavor.

~B

This. But, he must be right because he is in Test Alliance and lives in null...right?


Actually, I'd mostly be wrong because I'm in Test, we're naturally bad at nearly everything. The real question is what that man's imaginary girlfriend thinks of me. Please sir, tell me more.

You are pathetic. The fact you even think of people having imaginary girlfriends says it all m8. Good day.
Edit: You might want to find yourself a nice girl it may have a tremendously positive impact on your life. Good luck to you, but I doubt you will have any. Once again you elitest dumb****.



Why so much hate for the chill bros in TEST? All they do is log in, bump into things and drool all over the place. Kinda like goons, but we got here first so they're not as good as us (also their culture reeks of 4chan). What is there to hate about TEST? Do you have them because they're a group/friendship that have an online presence outside of this game? Do you that them because that group dynamic allows them to exist in nullsec? Do you hate them because they don't care that they're bad?

I just don't get pubbies.

Lykouleon
Wildly Inappropriate
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2011.06.27 04:22:00 - [74]
 

My commentator

(Bolton > Zastrow tbqfh, much cuter)

Toovhon
Posted - 2011.06.27 04:29:00 - [75]
 

Originally by: RougeOperator
Quote:
2. You can already pay to win. Any person with real life wealth, can purchase plex and then use the isk from those plex to buy a super capital pilot off the Character Bazaar and A brand new Avatar with all the fittings. He can do this on his very first day in EVE. The Plex<->Isk link cuts down on RMT and makes it so that a large percentage of EVE players don't pay a dime to subscribe, but inherent in that idea is that you can “Pay2Win”


No cause you had to use the player economy no matter what when you used plex.

This removes the player run economy. Its not the same thing.

why dont you try reading the threads that already addressed all the fallacies you are in love with.


This. PLEX is sold for ISK generated by players, and used to buy stuff created by players. MT is PLEX for items out of thin air. That is why MT for non-vanity is so destabilizing.

Juris Macto
Posted - 2011.06.27 04:39:00 - [76]
 

Originally by: Toovhon
Originally by: RougeOperator
Quote:
2. You can already pay to win. Any person with real life wealth, can purchase plex and then use the isk from those plex to buy a super capital pilot off the Character Bazaar and A brand new Avatar with all the fittings. He can do this on his very first day in EVE. The Plex<->Isk link cuts down on RMT and makes it so that a large percentage of EVE players don't pay a dime to subscribe, but inherent in that idea is that you can “Pay2Win”


No cause you had to use the player economy no matter what when you used plex.

This removes the player run economy. Its not the same thing.

why dont you try reading the threads that already addressed all the fallacies you are in love with.


This. PLEX is sold for ISK generated by players, and used to buy stuff created by players. MT is PLEX for items out of thin air. That is why MT for non-vanity is so destabilizing.


...I hope you notice that you can sell both the vanity items and PLEX's on the in-game market. Therefore your point is invalidated. You cannot say one is good and the other is bad for your stated reason. Both are bought with real money, and both of them can be traded for in-game currency. Think of the vanity items as more expensive PLEX's, which is essentially what they are.

Playing Devil's Advocate here, I can see a perfectly valid argument for the MT, because they give people who would otherwise RMT via risky websites, another legal and safe source to do so.

Dirk Action
Caldari
Broski Federation
Tactical Narcotics Team
Posted - 2011.06.27 04:40:00 - [77]
 

Originally by: pubbies


I'M AN EMPIRE SCRUB AND I AM MAD AT BEING THE BETA TO THE NULLSEC ALPHA

WAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH


this thread

Reed Tiburon
Caldari
Future Corps
Sleeper Social Club
Posted - 2011.06.27 04:41:00 - [78]
 

Are you seriously a diplo, dude?

Laughing

HughG Reckshon
Posted - 2011.06.27 04:41:00 - [79]
 

Originally by: Toovhon
Originally by: RougeOperator
Quote:
2. You can already pay to win. Any person with real life wealth, can purchase plex and then use the isk from those plex to buy a super capital pilot off the Character Bazaar and A brand new Avatar with all the fittings. He can do this on his very first day in EVE. The Plex<->Isk link cuts down on RMT and makes it so that a large percentage of EVE players don't pay a dime to subscribe, but inherent in that idea is that you can “Pay2Win”


No cause you had to use the player economy no matter what when you used plex.

This removes the player run economy. Its not the same thing.

why dont you try reading the threads that already addressed all the fallacies you are in love with.


This. PLEX is sold for ISK generated by players, and used to buy stuff created by players. MT is PLEX for items out of thin air. That is why MT for non-vanity is so destabilizing.


Please tell me where the gold plated Scorpion went then? I really want to know!

Are you really that dense, they realized that they cannot introduce in game manufactured items from nothing, and they did not release the Scorpion on account of that. They will still in the future undoubtedly feature a gold plated Scorpion that you will purchase for AUR and the trade of a standard player manufactured Scorpion.

Someone still has to manufacture a Scorpion for that gold plated Scorpion, it has not been created from nothing. If you don't have a regular Scorpion to trade for the gold one, you will not get a gold plated Scorpion. They said this numerous times, and I am pretty damn sure they will stick with it.

Joffre Tremblant
Gallente
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
Posted - 2011.06.27 04:50:00 - [80]
 

Originally by: Toovhon
This. PLEX is sold for ISK generated by players, and used to buy stuff created by players. MT is PLEX for items out of thin air. That is why MT for non-vanity is so destabilizing.


But that has nothing to do with "Pay to Win". You are making the argument that AUR for non-vanity will destabilize the economy, but you utterly fail to address to original point being made.

I mean, I know arguing on the internet can be tough, but you have to bring more than a few brain-cells to the party.

Capricorn 0ne
Caldari
Broski Federation
Tactical Narcotics Team
Posted - 2011.06.27 04:56:00 - [81]
 

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Shoot2kilI
Caldari
Unchained Potential
Test Alliance Please Ignore
Posted - 2011.06.27 05:02:00 - [82]
 

Edited by: Shoot2kilI on 27/06/2011 05:02:46
Originally by: Linar Mardolak
Originally by: Shoot2kilI


1) No matter how much you try to rationalize that PLEX goes into the market (as the vanity items currently do, a fact that people conveniently keep forgetting - meaning that other aurum purchased items would likely do the same thing) therefore it's not a game changing alteration, you're dead wrong. Someone who has an extra $2000 to spend on a PLEX (because they chose not to buy those one jeans..) will absolutely have an advantage over someone who doesn't. They can buy a character, capital/supercap, etc. Something that MOST players cannot do.



Confirming a lack of understanding of economics in general, and the Eve market in particular, as also demonstrated on /r/dreddit. I hope that the market side of TEST is a little more clueful, because logistics is important in this game, at least for now.

Originally by: Shoot2kilI

2) Character attacks around here seem to be the coolest little trend lately.



You're right. They don't contribute to the discussion at all, and work against making any point. In fact, when I see direct insults, I'm embarrassed for those that the poster is supporting.

Originally by: Shoot2kilI

the absolute ridiculousness of sperging ***gotry on this board that has risen in the wake of this is absolutely ludicrous.



Originally by: Shoot2kilI

they are attempting to fix it now by calling in the CSM, the organization that all of you forum-warrioring douchebags appointed



Oh, dear.


Yeah snide little side comments about how everyone is wrong proves your point. Tell me how exactly I'm wrong. You buy PLEX with IRL money. You sell it for ISK. You buy a PLEX, convert it into another currency (AUR), and then get an item that you can SELL on the same market. The only items in-game currently for Aurum are vanity. PLEASE explain to me how exactly this breaks the economy? Also, pulling things from my post out of context and then misinterpreting "personal attacks" also further validates your position.

MrDoco
Gallente
Test Alliance Please Ignore
Posted - 2011.06.27 05:15:00 - [83]
 

I am sure that as long as "Gold Ammo" is not introduced or anything to affect the economy that has made EVE a success, you will only get the standard group that are resistant to changes.

Hopefully CCP and the players realized that both parties is has allowed EVE to buck the trend and grow to where it is today. There are not many MMOs from both what I've seen and statistics out there that has done what EVE has done for so long. Why follow the other less successful games?

Linar Mardolak
Minmatar
Phlogiston Absorption
Posted - 2011.06.27 05:34:00 - [84]
 

Originally by: Shoot2kilI
Edited by: Shoot2kilI on 27/06/2011 05:02:46
Originally by: Linar Mardolak
Originally by: Shoot2kilI


1) No matter how much you try to rationalize that PLEX goes into the market (as the vanity items currently do, a fact that people conveniently keep forgetting - meaning that other aurum purchased items would likely do the same thing) therefore it's not a game changing alteration, you're dead wrong. Someone who has an extra $2000 to spend on a PLEX (because they chose not to buy those one jeans..) will absolutely have an advantage over someone who doesn't. They can buy a character, capital/supercap, etc. Something that MOST players cannot do.



Confirming a lack of understanding of economics in general, and the Eve market in particular, as also demonstrated on /r/dreddit. I hope that the market side of TEST is a little more clueful, because logistics is important in this game, at least for now.

Originally by: Shoot2kilI

2) Character attacks around here seem to be the coolest little trend lately.



You're right. They don't contribute to the discussion at all, and work against making any point. In fact, when I see direct insults, I'm embarrassed for those that the poster is supporting.

Originally by: Shoot2kilI

the absolute ridiculousness of sperging ***gotry on this board that has risen in the wake of this is absolutely ludicrous.



Originally by: Shoot2kilI

they are attempting to fix it now by calling in the CSM, the organization that all of you forum-warrioring douchebags appointed



Oh, dear.


Yeah snide little side comments about how everyone is wrong proves your point. Tell me how exactly I'm wrong. You buy PLEX with IRL money. You sell it for ISK. You buy a PLEX, convert it into another currency (AUR), and then get an item that you can SELL on the same market. The only items in-game currently for Aurum are vanity. PLEASE explain to me how exactly this breaks the economy? Also, pulling things from my post out of context and then misinterpreting "personal attacks" also further validates your position.


Okay, if you're seriously asking that, (which I don't really believe...I think you're likely intelligent enough to understand, but are being disingenuous):

1. Where did the ISK come from for your PLEX?
2. What happened to the PLEX after you sold it? (you can break it into pre-and post-Aurum if you want to)
3. Where did the items come from that you bought with the ISK?

Siiee
Recycled Heroes
Posted - 2011.06.27 05:43:00 - [85]
 

Originally by: Joffre Tremblant
Originally by: Toovhon
This. PLEX is sold for ISK generated by players, and used to buy stuff created by players. MT is PLEX for items out of thin air. That is why MT for non-vanity is so destabilizing.


But that has nothing to do with "Pay to Win".


It still has implications for Pay to Win. Imagine a simple world with only two players in it. One player buys a PLEX and sells it to the other. CCP gets money, the buyer gets an advantage, and the third person gets gametime. Everyone gets something out of the exchange. If the first player wants to purchase even more ISK they can try to sell another PLEX, but the 2nd player won't buy it because they already have gametime, so the amount of unbalance is maintained automatically.

Now with a p2w system where one player buys a PLEX, turns it into AUR and buys a golden drake. CCP gets money, the buyer gets an advantage, and the third person gets absolutely nothing. If the first player also wants to buy a golden raven, and all golden missile launchers, and golden drones then they can, CCP keeps raking it in and the unbalance can continue on and on forever without the 2nd player having any impact at all.

The 2nd case of a p2w system with one player selling a plex for ISK, and the 2nd player using the plex for AUR instead of gametime is the same as the non p2w scenario, the 2nd player is just trading gametime for an advantage of their own, and all 3 parties still get something out of the deal.

Now we don't have a perfect system like that, you don't buy plexes from your direct enemies, and there are people who don't buy or sell plexes at all, but on the whole the inflation of power is maintained. Even vanity-only items utterly destroys the checks and balances in the PLEX only system, but a p2w system on top of that only allows the inflation of power to be even greater. It allows for an unlimited amount of funds to be pumped in from the outside creating an entire 2nd tier of player where the remaining players have no influence. They just become cannon fodder through no lack of skill or ability of their own.

michael boltonIII
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
Posted - 2011.06.27 06:18:00 - [86]
 

Originally by: Reed Tiburon
Are you seriously a diplo, dude?

Laughing


I am in fact a diplo. But diplos in Test are basically in charge of catching and disposing of all the **** that get hurled at us for the transgressions of Test Scrubs and J4G's.

Hrald
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
Posted - 2011.06.27 06:24:00 - [87]
 

~~~~more elitist bull****~~~~ hisec best sec, back to making 6m an hour running lvl4s

Siiee
Recycled Heroes
Posted - 2011.06.27 06:36:00 - [88]
 

Originally by: michael boltonIII
There is just as much a market for plastic Mickey Mouse watches as there is for Rolex watches.

This is so true. So much of the rage over pricing could have been avoided if everyone could have gotten a monocle, but the expensive item is a "special" monocle. Even space-poor people want to dress up their pilots, it's silly to relegate the NeX cloths store to the same level as officer fittings.

Originally by: michael boltonIII
4. CCP has already promised that there will be “no-gold ammo” so the pay-to win front has been covered


CCP has made no such promise, you will not find a "there will be" anywhere in these recent devblogs. Their wording is carefully chosen and exactly the same as it was a year ago when the line was "no MT at all". You may be able to stretch there are no plans (now) to mean there are no plans for the near future, but CCP could start drafting up plans tomorrow morning for p2w items for release this winter and their "promise" is just as true.

Originally by: michael boltonIII
1. CCP is a business...Nobody is forcing you to give them more money than your subscription fee.



largely agreed, although that only works on the assumption that they've promised vanity-only, which they haven't (and very likely can't, from a sensible business perspective)

Originally by: michael boltonIII
2. You can already pay to win. Any person with real life wealth, can purchase plex...


I've detailed my thoughts on this in a previous post already in this thread, but in short the PLEX->ISK transaction is a closed system that gives something to both the player without RL wealth, and the player with. The p2w system cuts the player without entirely, and allows CCP to pump their wallets from "rich" players leaving everyone else as mere cannon fodder.

Originally by: michael boltonIII
then send me all of your assets and delete your actual characters

lol

Originally by: michael boltonIII
If all of 0.0 decided to protest in Jita every time something we wanted got passed over for some change to highsec, you would all be getting smartbombed ALL THE TIME.

But you don't, and we have. I guess this small vocal minority is just so much better at attention whoring than all the nullsec players over the history of eve. vOv


Originally by: michael boltonIII
I may only be a fresh faced 21 year-old, but after reading a large percentage of the posts in these massive threadnaughts, I feel like I'm in the top 10% of mature EVE players.


Sure, as does every other person in this game, even the most raving incoherent poster (even the ones who aren't trolls)

From my perspective. The demonstration is not for CCP, they don't care about the number of people shooting a statue in Jita. I'm on, and playing the game for my remaining game time. I'm taking part in the biggest going away party in the history of EVE and putting on a spectacle that anyone can enjoy. We're showing off the new turrets, parading around ships that perhaps some players rarely get to see, and showing off the very beautiful lasers and explosions and effects. Many players have never seen many of these things before, I was surprised the number of people that have been mailing my HIC pilot asking about the bubble, or asking to move it as a drag bubble on the station or on a gate. Such a long standing bug (which is a nice symbol of things on it's own) that so many people are just unaware of because they've never been exposed to it before. This is the eve we've known, pew pewing, spaceships, and a healthy dose of drama. This is eve players coming together doing the things that get us headlines outside of EVE, and when we do things, we do them big.

I've never really been one for grief play, but I must say that I am amused by all of these random tears about "lagging up Jita" by players who have never experienced real lag in their lives. We the players made Jita the capital of EVE, it's only natural that we should party there on our way ou

Lucius Tal
Minmatar
Tal Holdings Limited
Posted - 2011.06.27 06:41:00 - [89]
 

A bit late to the party. Didn't see your face around here helping out over the past few days - Don't let appearing on Eve TV go to your head

Chaos Incarnate
Faceless Logistics
Posted - 2011.06.27 07:01:00 - [90]
 

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4. CCP has already promised that there will be “no-gold ammo” so the pay-to win front has been covered


They said they had no plans - it's hardly a promise. The CSM asked CCP for stronger language against nonvanity MTs in the devblog, and they were ignored. Now, i'm not convinced that it's definitely going to happen, but it's still a concern that CCP need to address.

Originally by: michael boltonIII
Now for all you wonderful protesting pubbies out there,

i like this part of your post, because it ensures anyone who's actually a 'pubbie' is going to ignore you and call you an idiot. A bit futile if you intended to make rational arguments for people to consider, but far be it from me to criticize the posting styles of the mighty Testees.
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2. You can already pay to win. Any person with real life wealth, can purchase plex and then use the isk from those plex to buy a super capital pilot off the Character Bazaar and A brand new Avatar with all the fittings. He can do this on his very first day in EVE. The Plex<->Isk link cuts down on RMT and makes it so that a large percentage of EVE players don't pay a dime to subscribe, but inherent in that idea is that you can “Pay2Win”

You can only buy a titan or a titan char if someone's selling them, at the prices they're worth on the market. No magic is involved in their creation. Moreover, while this hypothetical rich bastard is paying-to-win, he's enabling hundreds of players to play EVE for a few measly internet spacebucks per month; everyone benefits in their own way.

And even if richguy buys his own titan and character and furiously **********s over how awesome he is, he's been given no advantage that an intelligent and hardworking player can't match without paying a single dime past his sub fee.
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3. All your canceled accounts, aren't really gone. In protest a large group of EVE players have “canceled their account”, but in reality all they have done is to turn of the Auto-repeat on their account charges. You're all still playing. If you really want to make a statement, then send me all of your assets and delete your actual characters, then I'll believe you as I fire-sale all your **** on the market.

In a similar vein, when i see protestors on the street i yell at them "stupid ****ers, if you really believed what you were chanting about you'd set yourself on fire instead. Pussies."

here's something shocking - you know the people who've protested? the vast majority probably still enjoy internet spaceships. They probably want to go on enjoying internet spaceships. The cancellation thing is a threat, intended to point out to CCP that they will leave if things remain as they are. Nothing more.
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4. CCP actually gives a **** about this game, they're trying to make it viable both financially and gameplay wise for the foreseeable future. That means having new ways to make money, new ways for people to play, and new ways to attract more customers. The downside of this is that not everything they do will be to make you happy. If all of 0.0 decided to protest in Jita every time something we wanted got passed over for some change to highsec, you would all be getting smartbombed ALL THE TIME. Aside from those people who's graphics cards were damaged or who couldn't run Incarna, how many of you have been truly negatively impacted by this new expansion, I bet the number is only a fraction of the actual protesters.


I'm certain that many individuals at CCP actually care. I'm not certain that the company as a whole collectively cares enough to not damage and destroy what makes EVE unique in order to milk it for moar RLbuxx.

And the protests are largely not about what's happened in this patch, but what could likely happen in future patches.


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