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michael boltonIII
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
Posted - 2011.06.27 00:16:00 - [1]
 

Some of you may know me as the ****** from the Alliance Tournament, but in my spare time I'm a diplomat for Test Alliance Please Ignore.

In the past week I've seen the forums go to hell in a hand-basket, and I think that maybe the mob mentality has gone a little overboard. People are demanding the total removal of Incarna and a ban on even Vanity Micro-transactions. This **** has got to stop.

What CCP should do:
1. Reinstate the old hangar as the view for those who have turned off Captains Quarters. The new system makes traditional fitting, especially for capital pilots, more difficult.

2. Ensure that Incarna works with an acceptable range of modern graphics cards, and does not launch with graphics cards that will be damaged by it.

3. Add some lower priced Items to the NeX store. $60 monocles are fine, as long as you provide a lower price option. There is just as much a market for plastic Mickey Mouse watches as there is for Rolex watches.

4. CCP has already promised that there will be “no-gold ammo” so the pay-to win front has been covered

That's all that CCP really needs to do, only one of those items is truly difficult to deal with, and I'm sure they've already got a team working on it

Now for all you wonderful protesting pubbies out there,

Here's what all you protesters need to do/realize:

1. CCP is a business, they are a corporate entity designed to earn capital that they can then use to create more capital earning ventures. CCP's product is fun, to many people fun is flying around PVP'ing or mining, and to others fun is collecting unique ships and now dressing up their character. If they have an option to make more money, while providing something that a group of people find fun, they'll ****ing do it. Nobody is forcing you to give them more money than your subscription fee.

2. You can already pay to win. Any person with real life wealth, can purchase plex and then use the isk from those plex to buy a super capital pilot off the Character Bazaar and A brand new Avatar with all the fittings. He can do this on his very first day in EVE. The Plex<->Isk link cuts down on RMT and makes it so that a large percentage of EVE players don't pay a dime to subscribe, but inherent in that idea is that you can “Pay2Win”

3. All your canceled accounts, aren't really gone. In protest a large group of EVE players have “canceled their account”, but in reality all they have done is to turn of the Auto-repeat on their account charges. You're all still playing. If you really want to make a statement, then send me all of your assets and delete your actual characters, then I'll believe you as I fire-sale all your **** on the market.

4. CCP actually gives a **** about this game, they're trying to make it viable both financially and gameplay wise for the foreseeable future. That means having new ways to make money, new ways for people to play, and new ways to attract more customers. The downside of this is that not everything they do will be to make you happy. If all of 0.0 decided to protest in Jita every time something we wanted got passed over for some change to highsec, you would all be getting smartbombed ALL THE TIME. Aside from those people who's graphics cards were damaged or who couldn't run Incarna, how many of you have been truly negatively impacted by this new expansion, I bet the number is only a fraction of the actual protesters.

I may only be a fresh faced 21 year-old, but after reading a large percentage of the posts in these massive threadnaughts, I feel like I'm in the top 10% of mature EVE players. That is a ****ing scary thought, considering that I am borderline ******ed. The CSM is getting pulled in for an emergency meeting, and will hear exactly the same things I heard while at CCP, and all their nerd apprehension will be assuaged.

TL;DR-The sky isn't falling, CCP gets the message, shut the **** up you sheeple pubbies. Also, we should eat our young

Tarinara
Posted - 2011.06.27 00:19:00 - [2]
 

Originally by: michael boltonIII
3. Add some lower priced Items to the NeX store. $60 monocles are fine, as long as you provide a lower price option. There is just as much a market for plastic Mickey Mouse watches as there is for Rolex watches.


EARS! Mickey Mouse EARS!!! Who cares what damn time it is...

George Wilkes Hill
Posted - 2011.06.27 00:23:00 - [3]
 

Stopped reading at protesting pubbies. You elitest ****. You think you're better than everyone else because you live in null give me a break your a ****head just like the others who think that. Yeah and you were the ***** from the AT save your elitest bull**** for people who care you dumb****.

RougeOperator
Posted - 2011.06.27 00:23:00 - [4]
 

Quote:
2. You can already pay to win. Any person with real life wealth, can purchase plex and then use the isk from those plex to buy a super capital pilot off the Character Bazaar and A brand new Avatar with all the fittings. He can do this on his very first day in EVE. The Plex<->Isk link cuts down on RMT and makes it so that a large percentage of EVE players don't pay a dime to subscribe, but inherent in that idea is that you can “Pay2Win”


No cause you had to use the player economy no matter what when you used plex.

This removes the player run economy. Its not the same thing.

why dont you try reading the threads that already addressed all the fallacies you are in love with.

Tosser Galore
Posted - 2011.06.27 00:26:00 - [5]
 

I live in null.

This is a ****post.

kestrael nanahara
Caldari
Wrecking Shots
Wildly Inappropriate.
Posted - 2011.06.27 00:27:00 - [6]
 

What eating babies im on board.

Rixiu
The Inuits
Posted - 2011.06.27 00:28:00 - [7]
 

Edited by: Rixiu on 27/06/2011 00:30:06
Edited by: Rixiu on 27/06/2011 00:29:36
Originally by: michael boltonIII

2. You can already pay to win. Any person with real life wealth, can purchase plex and then use the isk from those plex to buy a super capital pilot off the Character Bazaar and A brand new Avatar with all the fittings. He can do this on his very first day in EVE. The Plex<->Isk link cuts down on RMT and makes it so that a large percentage of EVE players don't pay a dime to subscribe, but inherent in that idea is that you can “Pay2Win”


No you cant. You can "pay to be-just-as-good-as-everyone-else" not "pay-to-win". Also, plex doesn't set aside gameplay. For everything this "rich-plex-buying-guy" buy for his plexes someone has discovered/researched the blueprint, built the item and put it up on the market and therefore it adds gameplay for other people. Buying things straight from a RMT-store like NEX set aside both of these points and therefore is game breaking (or atleast boring and uninteresting).

Don't you think that the items availible in the nex would be a lot more interesting (for the game) if the blueprint for the clothes was dropped by NPCs and the materials was a reward for say cosmos missions or maybye even drppped after shooting the NPC-haulers in empire? More interesting than having a RMT-store in my opinion atleast.

Byshop Kayl
Posted - 2011.06.27 00:29:00 - [8]
 

No one wanted to hear you speak during the AT, no one wants to hear it now. Even my girlfriend cringed every time she heard your voice come across the TV. Most of the time she just wanted you to shut your mouth and stop your unintelligent sputtering. This post, is just more of the same, with a smattering of CCP fanboi added for flavor.

~B

George Wilkes Hill
Posted - 2011.06.27 00:31:00 - [9]
 

Originally by: Byshop Kayl
No one wanted to hear you speak during the AT, no one wants to hear it now. Even my girlfriend cringed every time she heard your voice come across the TV. Most of the time she just wanted you to shut your mouth and stop your unintelligent sputtering. This post, is just more of the same, with a smattering of CCP fanboi added for flavor.

~B

This. But, he must be right because he is in Test Alliance and lives in null...right?

Vasiliy Jopodirkin
Posted - 2011.06.27 00:33:00 - [10]
 

This is nearly as bad as your terrible irrelevant interjections in between the grown ups talking on AT ugh

nota spyalt
Posted - 2011.06.27 00:33:00 - [11]
 

hey the guy sucking **** to get another free trip to iceland could be right! probably not though, besides you'll never be invited back to commentate as you never said skimitar once





Revajin
Gallente
15 Minute Outliers
Posted - 2011.06.27 00:34:00 - [12]
 

Originally by: Rixiu
Originally by: michael boltonIII

2. You can already pay to win. Any person with real life wealth, can purchase plex and then use the isk from those plex to buy a super capital pilot off the Character Bazaar and A brand new Avatar with all the fittings. He can do this on his very first day in EVE. The Plex<->Isk link cuts down on RMT and makes it so that a large percentage of EVE players don't pay a dime to subscribe, but inherent in that idea is that you can “Pay2Win”


No you cant. You can "pay to be-just-as-good-as-everyone-else" not "pay-to-win". Also, plex doesn't set aside gameplay. For everything this "rich-plex-buying-guy" buy for his plexes someone has discovered/researched the blueprint, built the item and put it up on the market and therefore it adds gameplay for other people. Buying things straight from a RMT-store like NEX set aside both of these points and therefore is game breaking.

Don't you think that the items availible in the nex would be a lot more interesting (for the game) if the blueprint for the clothes was dropped by NPCs and the materials was a reward for say cosmos missions or maybye even drpååed after shooting the NPC-haulers in empire? More interesting than having a RMT-store in my opinion atleast.


He isn't addressing that. He's addressing the fact that player economy or not, you're paying real money for an advantage that a less wealthy character might not be able to afford. Don't try to justify it. Plex is an advantage. You're paying to get ahead and trying to reason it away by deluding yourself into believing other players are benefiting from it.

Gutuie
Posted - 2011.06.27 00:35:00 - [13]
 

Originally by: michael boltonIII
Some of you may know me as the ****** from the Alliance Tournament,...
I may only be a fresh faced 21 year-old, but after reading a large percentage of the posts in these massive threadnaughts, I feel like I'm in the top 10% of mature EVE players. That is a ****ing scary thought, considering that I am borderline ******ed. The CSM is getting pulled in for an emergency meeting, and will hear exactly the same things I heard while at CCP, and all their nerd apprehension will be assuaged.

TL;DR-The sky isn't falling, CCP gets the message, shut the **** up you sheeple pubbies. Also, we should eat our young


dude u dont even get the point

and about " I may only be a fresh faced 21 year-old" and all comments after go slap youself and before give comments like "shut the **** up you sheeple pubbies", slap again> look the mirror>slap again> learn to talk> and about your shut the **** up u need to know what is all about because u look like1 who never did it > so slap again your face and lose your virginity and learn to talk

Chopper Rollins
Minmatar
Posted - 2011.06.27 00:36:00 - [14]
 

"CCP is a business, they are a corporate entity designed to earn capital that they can then use to create more capital earning ventures."

Heh. A shoe factory makes shoes, not money. When some idiot gets his head stuck up his conceptualizations and starts to think he's running a money making enterprise instead of a shoe making enterprise, the shoe making will suffer.
During the 1980's some clever folks invented manipulative jargon based on management theory in an effort to squeeze themselves between the shoemaking factory's owners and customers, commanding respect and remuneration. The business AND the customers would then be turned into money and the parasites would move on when everything failed at high speed.
So complete is the success of this jargon that otherwise intelligent people will use it to defend people and actions that are destroying things they would rather enjoy.
Points 2 and 3 would take many words to explain why they're wrong, and the required many words indicate they would be pointless.
Point 4 i've covered, money eats everything, making things makes money.

tl;dr: OP is a kid, senior ingame, but naive and opinionated about real life. Every time you're about to call someone sheeple or pubbies, think of an old woman's boisterous, unaffected laughter.


Ammzi
Posted - 2011.06.27 00:41:00 - [15]
 

Originally by: Chopper Rollins

tl;dr: OP is a kid, senior ingame, but naive and opinionated about real life. Every time you're about to call someone sheeple or pubbies, think of an old woman's boisterous, unaffected laughter.




Signed.
OP is failure at life, at EVE, at himself.

Zeg Quul
Posted - 2011.06.27 00:42:00 - [16]
 

Edited by: Zeg Quul on 27/06/2011 00:44:47
Edited by: Zeg Quul on 27/06/2011 00:43:11


"If you really want to make a statement, then send me all of your assets "

stopped reading . you are a diplomat :) ??

and this:

"OP is a kid, senior ingame, but naive and opinionated about real life." Proof: AT


Wangston Hughes
Posted - 2011.06.27 00:49:00 - [17]
 

I hear going on roams with a cargohold full of hundreds of large faction crystals is a good idea.

michael boltonIII
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
Posted - 2011.06.27 00:52:00 - [18]
 

Originally by: George Wilkes Hill
Originally by: Byshop Kayl
No one wanted to hear you speak during the AT, no one wants to hear it now. Even my girlfriend cringed every time she heard your voice come across the TV. Most of the time she just wanted you to shut your mouth and stop your unintelligent sputtering. This post, is just more of the same, with a smattering of CCP fanboi added for flavor.

~B

This. But, he must be right because he is in Test Alliance and lives in null...right?


Actually, I'd mostly be wrong because I'm in Test, we're naturally bad at nearly everything. The real question is what that man's imaginary girlfriend thinks of me. Please sir, tell me more.

George Wilkes Hill
Posted - 2011.06.27 00:57:00 - [19]
 

Edited by: George Wilkes Hill on 27/06/2011 00:57:37
Originally by: michael boltonIII
Originally by: George Wilkes Hill
Originally by: Byshop Kayl
No one wanted to hear you speak during the AT, no one wants to hear it now. Even my girlfriend cringed every time she heard your voice come across the TV. Most of the time she just wanted you to shut your mouth and stop your unintelligent sputtering. This post, is just more of the same, with a smattering of CCP fanboi added for flavor.

~B

This. But, he must be right because he is in Test Alliance and lives in null...right?


Actually, I'd mostly be wrong because I'm in Test, we're naturally bad at nearly everything. The real question is what that man's imaginary girlfriend thinks of me. Please sir, tell me more.

You are pathetic. The fact you even think of people having imaginary girlfriends says it all m8. Good day.
Edit: You might want to find yourself a nice girl it may have a tremendously positive impact on your life. Good luck to you, but I doubt you will have any. Once again you elitest dumb****.

Gutuie
Posted - 2011.06.27 00:59:00 - [20]
 

Originally by: George Wilkes Hill
Edited by: George Wilkes Hill on 27/06/2011 00:57:37
Originally by: michael boltonIII
Originally by: George Wilkes Hill
Originally by: Byshop Kayl
No one wanted to hear you speak during the AT, no one wants to hear it now. Even my girlfriend cringed every time she heard your voice come across the TV. Most of the time she just wanted you to shut your mouth and stop your unintelligent sputtering. This post, is just more of the same, with a smattering of CCP fanboi added for flavor.

~B

This. But, he must be right because he is in Test Alliance and lives in null...right?


Actually, I'd mostly be wrong because I'm in Test, we're naturally bad at nearly everything. The real question is what that man's imaginary girlfriend thinks of me. Please sir, tell me more.

You are pathetic. The fact you even think of people having imaginary girlfriends says it all m8. Good day.
Edit: You might want to find yourself a nice girl it may have a tremendously positive impact on your life. Good luck to you, but I doubt you will have any. Once again you elitest dumb****.


well he got imaginary gf remember his face? i bet 1 isk he is virgin or right hand did all experience till now

Sroasa
Gallente
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
Posted - 2011.06.27 01:03:00 - [21]
 

Originally by: michael boltonIII

3. Add some lower priced Items to the NeX store. $60 monocles are fine, as long as you provide a lower price option. There is just as much a market for plastic Mickey Mouse watches as there is for Rolex watches.



I demand CCP add a Burger King crown to the store.

Lyris Nairn
Caldari
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2011.06.27 01:05:00 - [22]
 

Originally by: michael boltonIII


Jack Sparrow

Byshop Kayl
Posted - 2011.06.27 01:08:00 - [23]
 

"After all, I am not so violently bent upon my own opinion as to reject any offer proposed by wise men, which shall be found equally innocent, cheap, easy, and effectual."

-- Jonathon Swift "A Modest Proposal"

I'll listen to what you have to say, sometime after you achieve either portion of the underlined classification.


George Wilkes Hill
Posted - 2011.06.27 01:09:00 - [24]
 

Originally by: Byshop Kayl
"After all, I am not so violently bent upon my own opinion as to reject any offer proposed by wise men, which shall be found equally innocent, cheap, easy, and effectual."

-- Jonathon Swift "A Modest Proposal"

I'll listen to what you have to say, sometime after you achieve either portion of the underlined classification.



Debrue
Gallente
Sacred Templars
Posted - 2011.06.27 01:16:00 - [25]
 

What a squeeze. First, you have the name of a major puss......., secondly you're a puss. Bring some balls to eve, and don't offer them to be squeezed by the rest of us.

Mark Raynor
Caldari
Posted - 2011.06.27 01:16:00 - [26]
 

Edited by: Mark Raynor on 27/06/2011 01:19:00
Edited by: Mark Raynor on 27/06/2011 01:17:53
This is quite possibly the best post I've seen to date on this subject. It shall be reposted on my blog to give it greater visibility.

(What? It's better than just going "THIS. +1".)

Though I would disagree that PLEX -> ISK = pay-to-win. There's still a whole mining/refining/hauling/manufacturing chain behind each item bought with ISK from sold PLEX. With Aurum, there would not necessarily be the same interaction with the market - any theoretical non-vanity items bought from the Noble Exchange may just be created from thin air. That's my beef with it.

Forever A Clone
Posted - 2011.06.27 01:22:00 - [27]
 

Your commentary here is just as useless as it was during the tournament.

Also stop mimicking goonswarm, pubbie is a stupid phrase that doesn't apply to EVE.

Arrogant prick with no concept of how the game works on a broad scale does.


CCP are most likely going to make Dust mercs hireable via Aurum, when they do that it will be impossible for a 0.0 alliance to maintain itself without direct MT. This combined with their admitted manipulation of PLEX/Isk value (most likely from buy and sell orders made with Isk they conjure out of thin air) will ruin the game balance for anyone who buys or sells PLEX. The same rule will apply if they introduce even the simplest booster for Aurum.

As soon as the Eve Market is manipulated outright by CCP the value and integrity of the player-controlled Market is nil. I like this aspect of Eve and have no interest in playing without it.

Also titans and supers aren't purchased with Isk, they are built in CSAAs and this is done by players, they can also be destroyed in CSAAs so using PLEX as an example of gamebreaking MT is redundant unless the previously mentioned changes come into play.

Go back to reddit.

Pubbie Scum
Posted - 2011.06.27 01:23:00 - [28]
 

All I see in this thread are a bunch of kids having temper tantrums. Ad hominem attacks are not valid arguments, then again I'm not sure if they teach that in middle school.

Vernn Miller
Caldari
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
Posted - 2011.06.27 01:26:00 - [29]
 

tl;dr - MB3 is showcasing his skills at crowd control in order to get hired at CCP

r Cubed
Posted - 2011.06.27 01:30:00 - [30]
 

Originally by: michael boltonIII
2. You can already pay to win. Any person with real life wealth, can purchase plex and then use the isk from those plex to buy a super capital pilot off the Character Bazaar and A brand new Avatar with all the fittings. He can do this on his very first day in EVE. The Plex<->Isk link cuts down on RMT and makes it so that a large percentage of EVE players don't pay a dime to subscribe, but inherent in that idea is that you can “Pay2Win”


Plex's at-least are balanced and if anything. Look at it this way: I need time on my account, my buddy offers to pay for it and i give him some isk in return. the only thing changed in the game is I now have more time on my account

Proposed MT, even if it's vanity items, is directly taking RL money and converting it into in-game items.

If you don't see the dangers in people cancelling their subscriptions or "turning off the auto-repeat" as you say, then we welcome you to go down on the burning ship. An MMO like this is more than just customers, it's a community. Abuse/mislead/ignore your customers and they'll leave, the community will be broken, and your product fails.

I play eve because there is no RL money direct to in-game item scams going on. Not sure how long I'll stay if this changes.


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