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Vandrion
Gallente
The Collective
B O R G
Posted - 2011.06.26 21:03:00 - [1]
 

CSM members,

Please take this with you to the meeting and remind CCP they have already been caught in the MT lie. The image below shows that they (CCP) have demonstrated they will say whatever they feel they need to placate the masses. Much like Hilmar's leaked email---- "We will stay the course".

http://i.imgur.com/f5Cq5.jpg

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Khamelean
Posted - 2011.06.26 21:09:00 - [2]
 

"We do not have plans to" in no way translates to "We will never".

Vandrion
Gallente
The Collective
B O R G
Posted - 2011.06.26 21:21:00 - [3]
 

Originally by: Khamelean
"We do not have plans to" in no way translates to "We will never".


Agreed.. however, this is the same message that CCP is trying to placate the crowd with now. See their Dev Blog:
"However, just to prove the point of the Fearless newsletter and give you a further understanding of what it is then there are no and never have been plans to sell "gold ammo" for Aurum. In Fearless people are arguing a point, which doesn't even have to be their view, they are debating an issue. This is another example of how information out of context is no information at all."

Now, here is a quote from the newsletter. Note that this quote is from page 9 after the comments by the 2 Devs. The title for the article is ---EVE:
Delivering the goods:
virtual sales in Incarna

Read the page..... It is not their to foster debate. It is a statement of fact for what CCP has planned.

"CCP is in the process of adopting a virtual sales
model for its game products. While this model has
always been intended for World of Darkness and
DUST 514, you may be wondering how this will
work in EVE Online. Specifically, how will this new
strategy unfold in Incarna?"

"Not all virtual purchases will
focus on customization: some will
simply be new items, ammunition,
ships, etc. that can be purchased
outright."

"One other service we’re looking
at is selling faction standings."

"So we might sell
tiny things or batches of consumable
goods for just a few “micro-
PLEX,” but we would have the option
to sell premium content and
services at a much higher price
point."

"Thus, we will not and cannot focus
on virtual sales only within the Incarna
environment, nor build that
environment around such sales;
rather, we will effect a universal
strategy of micro-sales throughout
the EVE experience."

Sure sounds like they have plans for it to me!

Zulu's latest blog is BS.

Khamelean
Posted - 2011.06.26 22:51:00 - [4]
 

Here is a quote from the full version of the document. Not the stripped down version that was posted in eve24, seemingly for no other reason thatn to create a fuss and generate pages views. Classy establishment that one.

Quote:
The views put forward in this magazine do not refl ect general CCP company policies or decisions and are strictly individual opinions, written by CCPers or about CCPers who feel strongly about these issues. This is confi dential internal information. lease respect that every company has its trade secrets and that you are privy to those at CCP.

Linkage

Vandrion
Gallente
The Collective
B O R G
Posted - 2011.06.26 23:04:00 - [5]
 

Originally by: Khamelean
Here is a quote from the full version of the document. Not the stripped down version that was posted in eve24, seemingly for no other reason thatn to create a fuss and generate pages views. Classy establishment that one.

Quote:
The views put forward in this magazine do not refl ect general CCP company policies or decisions and are strictly individual opinions, written by CCPers or about CCPers who feel strongly about these issues. This is confi dential internal information. lease respect that every company has its trade secrets and that you are privy to those at CCP.

Linkage



Thanks for linking the unedited document. I already have it saved as do much of the player base for later I told you so's when CCP lies again...

That statement is in damn near every company document on the planet and is used for a general escape clause for crap-storms like this.

Also, it is designed to apply to the inteviews with the Dev's such as CCP Sound of your wallet draining and CCP John the Hero.

The article on page 9 clearly states what CCP's intentions for the future of MT is for Eve.

Just like it clearly states this:
CCP Sreegs aka Sean Conover moved to Iceland from the
US east coast in September 2010 to become part of the
company whose game he’s played for the past 6 years.
Sean’s favourite thing to do on a weekend is sleep,
though you won’t catch him snoozing on the job. As
Senior Security Administrator he polices mischief makers
both within EVE as well as at CCP.

and this:
First, we don’t want to glut the virtual
market with too many offers
right out of the gate. Instead, we
want to provide a steady stream of
digestible goods and services over
a long period of time, allowing customers
to sample and purchase as
they get used to the new model.
We want to cater to long-term customers
who will gradually acquire
a taste for our wares.

Pretty damn clear the "WE" means CCP as a company. No get out of jail free card here CCP. Wrong Game!

Khamelean
Posted - 2011.06.26 23:12:00 - [6]
 

Edited by: Khamelean on 26/06/2011 23:12:30
So...

When you read an internal document taken out of context; they're liars and they are plotting against you.

When you read multiple official statements expressly targeted at quelling your fears; they're liars and they are plotting against you.

No wonder CCP is having such a bad day.

Vandrion
Gallente
The Collective
B O R G
Posted - 2011.06.26 23:18:00 - [7]
 

Originally by: Khamelean
Edited by: Khamelean on 26/06/2011 23:12:30
So...

When you read an internal document taken out of context; they're liars and they are plotting against you.

When you read multiple official statements expressly targeted at quelling your fears; they're liars and they are plotting against you.

No wonder CCP is having such a bad day.


Dev alt, Newly hired PR firm employee or just someone who drank way too much of the kool-aid?????

The useless blogs from Zulu and Pann said absolutely nothing as an FYI.

Vandrion
Gallente
The Collective
B O R G
Posted - 2011.06.26 23:25:00 - [8]
 

Massively Article

A very very good read.. This is what other gamers are hearing about this debacle on CCP's part.

The article is titled-- The Day Eve Died

Arvir Aris
Posted - 2011.06.27 02:27:00 - [9]
 

Edited by: Arvir Aris on 27/06/2011 02:28:35
Originally by: Vandrion
That statement is in damn near every company document on the planet and is used for a general escape clause for crap-storms like this.

Also, it is designed to apply to the inteviews with the Dev's such as CCP Sound of your wallet draining and CCP John the Hero.


Originally by: Vandrion
That statement is in damn near every company document on the planet and is used for a general escape clause for crap-storms like this.

Also, it is designed to apply to the inteviews with the Dev's such as CCP Sound of your wallet draining and CCP John the Hero.


Originally by: Vandrion
That statement is in damn near every company document on the planet and is used for a general escape clause for crap-storms like this.

Also, it is designed to apply to the inteviews with the Dev's such as CCP Sound of your wallet draining and CCP John the Hero.


Originally by: Vandrion
That statement is in damn near every company document on the planet and is used for a general escape clause for crap-storms like this.

Also, it is designed to apply to the inteviews with the Dev's such as CCP Sound of your wallet draining and CCP John the Hero.


edit for emphasis: rtfp

fatboy21007
Gallente
Deliberate Means
Posted - 2011.06.27 02:35:00 - [10]
 

http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=lastposts&cid=1266404672 <------ Hey CCP kiss are asses. You will NOT get your way on this one nor will you force it on us. You make make alts just to try and change are minds, but itll never work. The subs will keep cancelling till your microtransactions are gone. Eve is NOT the type of game this can work because it revolves around the economy and players making everthing. You start poping things out your ass and you eliminate the players then economy crashs and wallets talk. REMEMBER CCP MOST PLAYERS HAVE 2-12 ACCOUNTS! So yo really dont have 350k players, 200k at max. but probally down to 100k atm. CSM's we the community DO NOT WANT ANY FORM OF A MICROTRANSACTION SYSTEM and WE WONT COMPROMISE! We will however accept a 5-10 increase in are subs to give ccp their milk so they can keep working on projects, my advice to CCP STOP STARTING NEW PROJECTS WHEN IN MMOS POP CHANGES AND YOU NEED TO PLAN AND THINK THINGS THROUGH BETTER!. also csm's please demand incarna be fixed immeaditly or removed as its kicking most folks pc's asses atm. If you the csm's give in to ccp and say ok to MT then you are not speaking on behalf the community and may god have mercy on your souls when we get ahold of ya :-) Have a nice flight!

Tenaz Famaroom
Liberation Army
Posted - 2011.06.27 12:56:00 - [11]
 

no more lies

Darryl Ward
Posted - 2011.06.27 18:24:00 - [12]
 

I'm with Khamelean. I'm not an alt of a dev, I don't work for CPP, I just play the game. This is an alt I rarely use, just training skills.

All I know for a fact is, with Incarna, this new Noble store shows up and I can buy clothes for my space barbie at an outrageous price. Then this leaked newsletter shows up, and everyone treats it like it's the Eve game plan. The presentation on Eve News was extremely propaganda worthy, only taking a few pieces of the newsletter and the general tone of the piece is for you to be against what is, at this point, purely speculation.

Everyone take it down a notch until there is real proof that this is the direction that CPP is going down. Then we can all quit en-masse if this is true.

Humpink Omaristos
Posted - 2011.06.27 18:34:00 - [13]
 

Everybody lies!


MT is the way forward to attract new players to an otherwise stale and dated game before the game kicks the bucket. It's called BOOST in trade speak. It's a money grab before the end. The end being potentially a couple of years out once the MT sales die down. That's the reality of the situation.

Mattio11
Quantum Cats Syndicate
Posted - 2011.06.28 05:35:00 - [14]
 

Edited by: Mattio11 on 28/06/2011 05:41:47

Originally by: Darryl Ward
I'm with Khamelean. I'm not an alt of a dev, I don't work for CPP, I just play the game. This is an alt I rarely use, just training skills.

All I know for a fact is, with Incarna, this new Noble store shows up and I can buy clothes for my space barbie at an outrageous price. Then this leaked newsletter shows up, and everyone treats it like it's the Eve game plan. The presentation on Eve News was extremely propaganda worthy, only taking a few pieces of the newsletter and the general tone of the piece is for you to be against what is, at this point, purely speculation.

Everyone take it down a notch until there is real proof that this is the direction that CPP is going down. Then we can all quit en-masse if this is true.

^^ Possibly one of the most intelligent posts in all of the forums...



Originally by: Humpink Omaristos
Everybody lies!

MT is the way forward to attract new players to an otherwise stale and dated game before the game kicks the bucket. It's called BOOST in trade speak. It's a money grab before the end. The end being potentially a couple of years out once the MT sales die down. That's the reality of the situation.

They didn't actually lie (and incase you didn't read the other replies in this thread - they certainly didn't break any promises either as they never actually made a promise in the first place... they merely said it wasn't their plan.. plans change)

(I have a habit of correcting people I know ..lol.. Laughing)

Lidia Prince
Caldari
Posted - 2011.06.28 06:31:00 - [15]
 

Edited by: Lidia Prince on 28/06/2011 06:31:49
Plans have changed.
/thread

Really, how many times can we get back to this Shadow's quote. COME ON!

Atari Gene
Posted - 2011.06.28 08:06:00 - [16]
 

Players: That's not part of our deal!
CCP: I am altering the "deal". Pray I don't alter it any further. Laughing

Hans Jagerblitzen
Autocannons Anonymous
Posted - 2011.06.28 08:54:00 - [17]
 

Perhaps "We have no plans to" translates roughly to...."We hadn't thought of that yet, but now that you mentioned we can charge for it, we'll add it to the queue"

+1 for community involvement.


 

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