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Herring
Caldari
Pimpology
Posted - 2011.06.27 03:51:00 - [181]
 

Originally by: Tron Flux
Originally by: LIOZTH
Edited by: LIOZTH on 26/06/2011 21:18:10
Originally by: Tron Flux
Originally by: kestrael nanahara
There not giving the impression that inmates are running the asylum.... becuase were all leaving.


If there is a major problem with NEX, it's that watching the train wreck of rage-quitters claim to quit without actually quitting on the forums is actually more entertaining than playing EVE at the moment.


I have 4 unsubbed accounts, with time still left on them, time I'll use to my advantage and make my point as needed. If they don't make changes they will stay as they are. At some point EvE will start it's violent subscription downward spira, and begin heading toward the MMO graveyard.


You and I disagree. I don't think eve is headed to the graveyard. I think that the number of unsubs are an irrelevant drop in the bucket compared to the total subscriber base.

Essentially, I think you and your 4 accounts are irrelevant to CCP. You should probably start accepting that.


People trying to force other people to accept something is always amusing. Why is it so important that he accept anything? If his drop in the bucket is so insignificant, why are the whole csm getting flown to iceland for an unscheduled meeting? Every drop is profit, and too many drops are leaking out. Rolling Eyes

Kayrl Bheskagor
Posted - 2011.06.27 03:56:00 - [182]
 

Originally by: Eleena Wolf
Originally by: Tron Flux
Originally by: Eleena Wolf
Edited by: Eleena Wolf on 26/06/2011 21:33:01
I agree with the outcome, though not the reasons the op has stated.

The damage has already been done, doubtful that ccp walks away with any credibility after this, as perception is reality.

I would like to believe the csm meeting will have a positive impact, but it is most likely too little too late.
Media has already hammered ccp reputation and continues to do so. Many players have already stated open distrust of ccp, this compounded by the lack an official response, has damaged ccp even further.

I see this ending in one of a few ways.

1. eve loses enough subscribers, they have no recourse but to make mt of the bad kind part of eve, in an attempt to stay profitable.

2. Pride gets the better of ccp, they decide to stay course as it were, ensuring an exodus of older players in hopes of attracting new players. a huge, HUGE, gamble at best.

3. Ccp decides to cut its losses and sells the rights to another developer or competitor, even this does not garuntee eve's existence as an mmo. many times when a game developer sells to another, the buying party buys the rights to the code. That has ensured many games never see the light of day again, be it in the form of a sequel or a remake, because the new owner can charge whatever they want for licensing, royalties and what not.

4. If somehow ccp survives this, they fix whats wrong, actually talk to the playerbase, and certain someone issues an apology, eve still exist possibly better than it was. This given the history is the least likely to happen.

I hope im wrong and outcome #4 happens, but until proven otherwise, I stand by what i said.


The first 3 of your points hinge on the idea that enough people will leave to impact CCP's bottom line. That's our primary disagreement. My opinion is that it won't happen.
But I have no hard data on the total number os subs CCP has at the moment, so I can't say for sure.
If the unsub number is high enough to make CCP worry, things will probably change. If it's not, things probably won't.

My bet at the moment is that the number isn't high enough.


current number of unsubscribed 4484
https://spreadsheets.google.com/spreadsheet/pub?hl=en_US&hl=en_US&key=0AtUHbyNk0JSGdHR1TDhrRVhhQTUzLUMyVTNZdjJUaHc&output=html

As for where we disagree on this matter, how many people are largely undecided on this matter or who are going to quit and simply did not see fit to resort the methods of rioting and riotposting. Your points hinge on the majority of players staying. 4000+ people canceling subscriptions at this point in time is worrying to ccp. Dust514 still needs money to be developed, World of Darkness needs money to be developed. Bad press discourages new people who might have otherwise tried and become regular subscribers. No new players means no growth, no growth means people get bored and leave. This has happened to other mmos. Some are banking on ccp to somehow come out of this intact. I just do not see that happening.


So, that's a list of people that SAID they were going to quit. Like lots of talk, that doesn't mean they did anything other than join the righteous indignation club. So how many actually DID quit?

Anna Maziarczyk
Posted - 2011.06.27 03:59:00 - [183]
 

Edited by: Anna Maziarczyk on 27/06/2011 04:00:37

The OP makes a valid point. I dont know about all the drivel inbetween here and there. But the original point he was making is valid.

WHat happens if CCP stops what they are doing and changes course BECAUSE of the protests and forums?

They would be mandating this very same behaviour anytime we are displeased with something.

And to be quite honest, i think we would abuse that situation.

At this point its a real concern. What if CCP really does want to respect the playerbase and fix things. They are in a hard situation.

How do they FIX IT without saying "Yeah, jack up our game everytime you dislike something...."

Bardan Asoto
Universal Freelance
CONSORTIUM UNIVERSALIS
Posted - 2011.06.27 04:04:00 - [184]
 

How the hell can customers "abuse" something we pay for?

If a marketplace usually sells a lot of apples, but people all of a sudden demand oranges, the marketplace suppliers will switch or lose money. Did the people in that case "abuse" the marketplace?

Anna Maziarczyk
Posted - 2011.06.27 04:06:00 - [185]
 

Edited by: Anna Maziarczyk on 27/06/2011 04:06:45
Originally by: Bardan Asoto
How the hell can customers "abuse" something we pay for?

If a marketplace usually sells a lot of apples, but people all of a sudden demand oranges, the marketplace suppliers will switch or lose money. Did the people in that case "abuse" the marketplace?


If i continue to sell apples, and so you protest by by throwing apples all over the store preventing people from buying any oranges or apples...and then i decide, ok yeah your right and change and do what you want..... Yeah, i would be mandating your behaviour as appropriate. and then you start crapping your pants and rubbing it on the walls when i offer grapes.

Eleena Wolf
Caldari
Caldari Provisions
Posted - 2011.06.27 04:09:00 - [186]
 

Originally by: Kayrl Bheskagor
Originally by: Tron Flux
Originally by: Eleena Wolf
Edited by: Eleena Wolf on 26/06/2011 21:33:01
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Every MMO I've every played always had cries of rage-quits when something came down the pipe they didn't like. It was seemingly always talk, because the games survived many such episodes and the online numbers never plummeted as predicted by the "inmates who run the asylum", or so they like to think.

The other thing that the rage-blind people don't see, is that for any that leave, it is also possible that p2w items that are independent of sp might actually encourage new players to join. Why? Because there is no way to catch up to players in ships or skills in such a time dependent game. Whether any of the current players agree or not, game after game, always, inevitably, takes items that older players had to grind for, and makes them available to new players at a fraction of the cost and effort. At the point that there is one too many easy-mode updates, that's the straw that breaks the vet players' backs and takes away their sense of accomplishment in the game. Eve has a long way to go, I think, before the game-breaking updates add up to that point, and this new proposal is far from a game breaker.

It's funny how people talk about how CCP gets so trashed in the news, and Eve will suffer the consequences. Eve is insignificant in the gaming community. There are thousands of games that no one even has ever heard of that has a larger player base than Eve will likely ever have. Eve and CCP are very small fish in a really big MMO ocean. They do some cool ****, but in the end, Eve and CCP and what Eve's players do, really doesn't count for much of anything outside the Eve community. Apparently, people have an inflated sense of their import because they are an "out of the box" MMO player??


My view is based from the mmos that I played that suffered the same kind of negative media from something that stemmed from ingame. They are either dead or dying

Dark age of camelot: dead/undead
Ultima online: undead
anarchy online: dying
Age of conan: last time i checked, dead
warhammer online: dying
city of heroes: dying
city of villains: dying
final fantasy online: the FFO community debates this but since the number of players has since greatly fallen from its release, dying
ace online aka space cowboys: dying
vendetta online: when i played the population was not that high and was in decline possibly dying


thats just a few of the mmos that I played. I base my comments on that because most of those games may have had an initial ad campaign but were relatively small, just like eve was when it started. I hope I am wrong and eve does not die, but until proven otherwise, no reason for me to change my stance on this.Neutral

Eleena Wolf
Caldari
Caldari Provisions
Posted - 2011.06.27 04:26:00 - [187]
 

Originally by: Kayrl Bheskagor
Originally by: Eleena Wolf
Originally by: Tron Flux
Originally by: Eleena Wolf
Edited by: Eleena Wolf on 26/06/2011 21:33:01



So, that's a list of people that SAID they were going to quit. Like lots of talk, that doesn't mean they did anything other than join the righteous indignation club. So how many actually DID quit?


Your right thats what they said. whether actually quit, well we have anywhere from a few days to a month to find out wether they actually quit. That is not the number that concerns me. The number that concerns me is how many people simply canceled subscriptions but did not see fit to go crazy on the forums or ingame. but lets go back to that 4000 +

ccp is not blizzard, they do not have a ridiculous player population, they do not have successful stand alone games to fall back on, they do not have the massive ad monkey army. Blizzard can afford to loose 4000+ players and negative press because there are hordes of people who would still play blizzard games. CCP? in the middle of trying to develop dust, wod and whatever other future plans they had for eve at this point in time? Can't.

Vawd
Caldari
Tax Evasion Ltd
Posted - 2011.06.27 04:48:00 - [188]
 

Edited by: Vawd on 27/06/2011 04:48:07
Considering CCP isn't a government, or a population of a nation, these protesters cannot be called "terrorists". They can be called griefers however, because the only people they are affecting, are the players with legit business in the system.

That being said, if pay to win becomes a reality, I just won't play this anymore, I am willing to wait and see though, because this "leaked" letter or blog... Whatever the **** it is, could just be some ****face troll.

Telven Stareal
Posted - 2011.06.27 05:19:00 - [189]
 

Originally by: Kayrl Bheskagor

Like every other game developer with a forum, people who post are the vocal minority.There are a lot of statistics and metrics that can be gleaned from log files that paint a considerably larger and more accurate picture of the game reality than a handful (compared to the total player base) of people protesting in a trade hub or crying on a forum.

I feel the need to play devil’s advocate.
Before I begin, I want to make it very clear. I have no plans on leaving/unsubbing anytime soon. Unless my computer crashes, the game becomes unplayable, or SP pay to win gets placed into Eve. I will be simply watching to see what happens. Also, my primary concern is how CCP has been handling this entire issue. From a customer service stand point, very Horrible! I am very disillusioned by the lack of response from multiple questions/concerns and fears about the MT future. As well as the time it has taken to get a reply at all. I am also talking about the content of those replies. Considering only the most recent has had any “definitive” statements.
Ok, that being said, let me start with what Patri Andari posted about “Businesses and investors” He nailed that part about Businesses needing to bring a sizable profit back to the share holders. However, there is more than just saying, look at us, we managed to make X this quarter. They also “have” to keep making that profit by maintaining a good connection with their customer base. Without the customers, there is no profit, no investors/stock holders and therefore no Business. So therefore CCP should be listening and replying to their customers in a timely manner. Especially when there is information being leaked of such a nature as to upset so many of their customers. This isn’t something that is being overlooked by other companies or the media. As a company, they cannot afford to look bad. Looking bad means less add-subs, which means less profit which could lead to poor reviews by their “investors”. In the end, it takes a lot longer to be viewed as a company that cares about it’s customer base then a company that is trying to exploit/ignore/(insert whatever bad you want) it’s customer base. Who really wants a service/product from a company that is willing to mistreat it’s customers? That would be like going out to eat and ordering a coke with your meal and the water comes back with milk and when you point out you wanted a coke. The waiter looks at you and says so? And walks away to ignore you for most of your meal, only to then come back later and say sorry. Here is a diet coke… Ok, so you would bring it to the managers attention right? And his/her reply is… you ate it didn’t you? Too bad. An honest person would probably never go back to that place again and would tell all their friends and family and maybe blog about it, post on facebook, tweet and so on…
Now to the above post, you state “doubt” that someone could be a spokesman for any sizable group, however you can’t know for sure. Those “long term players” you talk about could very well know each other as far as you know. Even if they don’t, you need to consider for each person who is raging on here, they are going to go tell lets say 12 other eve players to stop playing or unsubscribe for a month. So if that is the case and of those 12 ppl, only 4 listen per “raging poster” we can still see a LOT of ppl being impacted. You state ppl who post are the vocal minority. You are true on that and the key word “vocal”. You have to wonder how many other ppl are out there reading these posts and making choices to ether stop playing or continue.
next post

Telven Stareal
Posted - 2011.06.27 05:22:00 - [190]
 

Originally by: Telven Stareal

next post

As for log files, statistics and metrics; I can’t deny they will paint a cold hard picture of what is going on. Only time will reveal how badly the game has been hit by this issue. I say “time”, because even if someone unsubscribe they still have until the end of their subscription to play. These ppl are more than likely using that time to contact their corp mates, friends, and just about everyone else who may listen to leave the game. So you can disregard those “crying” in local trade hubs as you call it. But how many others are doing that? Do you know? I don’t, I’m not a mind reader. But I can make a guess, maybe 90 percent are ignoring them? That leaves 10 percent that does listen. This could be more, could be less. Considering I am not a mind reader, I really can’t say. But for ease of continuing we will say it is close enough. So that being said, of those 10 percent maybe 1 percent say, “hey that isn’t right” and unsubscribe from the game. So if we consider that those “crying” in local trade have already talk to their 12 “contacts” and gotten their 4 before that… you see where I am going with this right?
Sometimes, it only takes one voice…
PLEASE NOTE!! The numbers I have listed are ONLY a guess and ONLY to help explain what I am talking about. If you feel you must flame me about them, please SITE your sources for your numbers that I expect to see listed in your post. Besides, like I said, I used them for example. I can honestly say I only know 30 or so ppl on talking terms in this game and have only heard one of them asking me to unsub, which like I said I have no interest in doing. But consider if I was one of those raging… just think about it…
i repeated myself to make sure it all makes sense

San Severina
Minmatar
Posted - 2011.06.27 05:23:00 - [191]
 

Edited by: San Severina on 27/06/2011 05:24:36
^^Holy wall of text batmanShocked


CCP showing dedicated EvE players the DOOR since June 21st. 2011.


edit...Cool I quit already, why am I still here? Ask a stupid question....

_

Conrad Lionhart
Gallente
Posted - 2011.06.27 05:24:00 - [192]
 

Yes those Jita sabotagers have to go.

Being angry at proposed changes is one thing, or peaceful protesting is one thing.
Disrupting the game for other innocent players is another. This should not be allowed and they should be banned. You don't want these kinds of players. You let them get away with this, they will pull the same stuff next time. Maybe they'll demand eve to be free to play, or crash Jita again.

Telven Stareal
Posted - 2011.06.27 05:40:00 - [193]
 

Originally by: Kayrl Bheskagor

It's funny how people talk about how CCP gets so trashed in the news, and Eve will suffer the consequences. Eve is insignificant in the gaming community. There are thousands of games that no one even has ever heard of that has a larger player base than Eve will likely ever have. Eve and CCP are very small fish in a really big MMO ocean. They do some cool ****, but in the end, Eve and CCP and what Eve's players do, really doesn't count for much of anything outside the Eve community. Apparently, people have an inflated sense of their import because they are an "out of the box" MMO player??


First let me say, sorry, I don’t want you to think I am singling you out nor targeting you. But what your posting creates an urge to reply back ;)

You state every MMO you have ever played always had cries of rage-quits. I can say I’ve seen my share as well. But never to this extent.

You also state that the players of EVE must feel like they have an inflated sense of importance because they play an outside the box MMO? Because what happens in EVE and the EVE community doesn’t go anywhere?

I beg to differ. Please review the following Site which took me all of 2 minutes to find. Don’t get me wrong, I’m not saying that “everyone” is staring at EVE. Only that this isn’t an overlooked game by the media.

http://www.pcgamer.com/?s=eve+incarna

Eleena Wolf
Caldari
Caldari Provisions
Posted - 2011.06.27 05:45:00 - [194]
 

Edited by: Eleena Wolf on 27/06/2011 05:49:30
Originally by: Telven Stareal
Originally by: Kayrl Bheskagor

It's funny how people talk about how CCP gets so trashed in the news, and Eve will suffer the consequences. Eve is insignificant in the gaming community. There are thousands of games that no one even has ever heard of that has a larger player base than Eve will likely ever have. Eve and CCP are very small fish in a really big MMO ocean. They do some cool ****, but in the end, Eve and CCP and what Eve's players do, really doesn't count for much of anything outside the Eve community. Apparently, people have an inflated sense of their import because they are an "out of the box" MMO player??


First let me say, sorry, I don’t want you to think I am singling you out nor targeting you. But what your posting creates an urge to reply back ;)

You state every MMO you have ever played always had cries of rage-quits. I can say I’ve seen my share as well. But never to this extent.

You also state that the players of EVE must feel like they have an inflated sense of importance because they play an outside the box MMO? Because what happens in EVE and the EVE community doesn’t go anywhere?

I beg to differ. Please review the following Site which took me all of 2 minutes to find. Don’t get me wrong, I’m not saying that “everyone” is staring at EVE. Only that this isn’t an overlooked game by the media.

http://www.pcgamer.com/?s=eve+incarna

link is not working but i get the gist of it, its not hard to google words eve, riot, incarna. but to further add proof of what has been said.

http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/2721583151

Telven Stareal
Posted - 2011.06.27 05:48:00 - [195]
 

Originally by: Eleena Wolf
Originally by: Telven Stareal
Originally by: Kayrl Bheskagor

It's funny how people talk about how CCP gets so trashed in the news, and Eve will suffer the consequences. Eve is insignificant in the gaming community. There are thousands of games that no one even has ever heard of that has a larger player base than Eve will likely ever have. Eve and CCP are very small fish in a really big MMO ocean. They do some cool ****, but in the end, Eve and CCP and what Eve's players do, really doesn't count for much of anything outside the Eve community. Apparently, people have an inflated sense of their import because they are an "out of the box" MMO player??


First let me say, sorry, I don’t want you to think I am singling you out nor targeting you. But what your posting creates an urge to reply back ;)

You state every MMO you have ever played always had cries of rage-quits. I can say I’ve seen my share as well. But never to this extent.

You also state that the players of EVE must feel like they have an inflated sense of importance because they play an outside the box MMO? Because what happens in EVE and the EVE community doesn’t go anywhere?

I beg to differ. Please review the following Site which took me all of 2 minutes to find. Don’t get me wrong, I’m not saying that “everyone” is staring at EVE. Only that this isn’t an overlooked game by the media.

http://www.pcgamer.com/?s=eve+incarna

link is not working but i get the gist of it, its not hard to google words eve, riot, incarna.


Odd, it works if i post it in a word doc and use it as a link there.. here is the URL can just copy and paste it so easy fix. :)
http://www.pcgamer.com/?s=eve+incarna

Romodread
Posted - 2011.06.27 05:53:00 - [196]
 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ELrU6rIAYFk&feature=channel_video_title

Reza Temiz
Posted - 2011.06.27 05:54:00 - [197]
 

Originally by: Lonox
Originally by: kestrael nanahara
There not giving the impression that inmates are running the asylum.... becuase were all leaving.


You're stomping your little foot and threatening to leave if "teh ebil" CCP doesn't meet your childish and unrealistic demands. Laughing Even more hilarious? When you realised noone cares and started your emo rage asshat campaign. Funnier still? When you all come groveling back.

It will be awesome! LaughingLaughing


I fail to understand how it is 'unrealistic' to demand that CCP explains their plans for future MT. The question asked is simple, will there be non-vanity items for sale for real money in the Nex store. Asking that as a customer is not unrealistic nor childish.

Tron Flux
Caldari
Midnite Madness
Posted - 2011.06.27 06:01:00 - [198]
 

I have to get some sleep, and by the time I wake up, I am sure this thread will be buried.

So before I log for the evening, I want to thank everyone who contributed to healthy, intelligent conversation here. I very much appreciate the discourse here.

I think we had some good conversations here, and I don't have to go to bed 100% convinced that I'm right about everything.

Hope to meet some of you in game and maybe join some fleets and kill stuff with you some day.

Talk to you later.

~Tron Flux

vasuul
Posted - 2011.06.27 06:06:00 - [199]
 

heres a bit of the links to the bad press ccp has earned from its stone walling ...HA yeah wait us out i hope you enjoy your 52 monocles sold

http://forum.mmosite.com/thread/2/2/20100616/Top_10_Reasons_Why_MMOs_Are_Dying-4da8339c09edb1813-5.html


http://massively.joystiq.com/2011/06/25/eve-online-controversy-erupts-in-protests/

http://n4g.com/news/793980/eve-online-players-protest-against-microtransactions-and-monocles-lasers-involved/com

http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/319384/page/1

http://www.giantbomb.com/forums/general-discussion/30/eve-online-in-game-protest/503801/?page=last

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aqRgX1g0aeQ&

http://games.slashdot.org/story/11/06/25/1847248/emEVE-Onlineem-Players-Rage-Protest-Over-Microtransactions

http://www.blogbookmark.com/story.php?title=eve-online-players-rage-protest-over-microtransactions

http://mmodata.blogspot.com/2011/06/riots-in-eve-against-microtransactions.html

http://muscatoxblog.blogspot.com/2011/06/eve-online-protests-continue-over.html

http://www.pcgamer.com/?p=58382

http://games.on.net/article/12887/EVE_Online_Users_In_Protest_Over_Third_Party_Development_Fees

http://beefjack.com/news/eve-online-players-riot-in-game-against-microtransactions/

http://www.evga.com/forums/tm.aspx?m=1087505

http://segmentnext.com/2011/06/25/eve-online-new-changes-lead-to-riots-and-fan-rage/?amp&

http://massively.joystiq.com/

http://massively.joystiq.com/2011/06/26/eve-evolved-the-day-that-eve-online-died/

http://massively.joystiq.com/2011/06/24/ccp-addresses-eve-controversies-in-new-dev-blog/

http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2387588,00.asp?kc=PCRSS03069TX1K0001121

AUR is extortion say no to aur isk is good rl greed sucks, and again we ask

WILL CCP START SELLING NON VANITY ITEMS ON NEX(SUCH AS FACTION ITEMS, STANDINGS AND OTHER CHARACTER ADVANCEMENTS)? YES OR NO
"SAY IT AINT SO JOE "
answer us please

I hope you don't fill our sandbox with concrete
Seriously we are passionate cause we love this game and would hate to see it die if you need more cash raise subs a few dollars
and in turn give us some new missions im sure no one would complain if you were honest and said look our production costa are going up and we need to generate a bit more revenue as such rates for playing are going to 19.95
and the AUR well it was a bad idea we will just seed these non vanity items on the market or put em in the lp store

and yes i un subbed 18 days to go they lost 7 accounts on me alone



Kara Liselle
Posted - 2011.06.27 06:10:00 - [200]
 

Edited by: Kara Liselle on 27/06/2011 06:11:51
He`s trolling, people. He loves this.

Arias Dren
Posted - 2011.06.27 06:13:00 - [201]
 

Originally by: the plague
Edited by: the plague on 26/06/2011 20:35:51
Originally by: Don Maddox
I'm not sure why people are surprised by any of this or would even think of calling for protesters to be banned. This is EXACTLY the way CCP has encouraged players to deal with each other in the game for years. EVE not only encourages players to band together and grief other players using the most destructive, onerous, and frustrating tactics possible, it practically forces players to operate in that fashion because nothing else works! In many subtle (and some not-so-subtle) ways, the devs have created an environment where banding together and imposing your will by whatever means necessary is the intuitive and instinctive way to play this game. It should surprise absolutely no one that the EVE community has now evolved (or mutated) into a state where we treat the developers in exactly the same fashion as they encourage us to treat each other.

You reap what you sow. And CCP has created a Frankenstein monster that will no longer blindly do as commanded. CCP talks a lot about bravery and creating new virtual worlds where players truly control their own destiny's. Well, CCP's response to this crisis is going to speak volumes about who they really are as a game company. And it will also reveal whether they really believe any of that fancy talk or whether it really is all just about the bucks.

So far the signs are not encouraging. CCP has demonstrated a remarkable degree of incompetence in dealing with their own game and the player community over the past 24 months. There's very little reason to believe they're capable or willing to stop and actually listen. They often hear what we say, but they don't listen.

http://forums.gamesquad.com/showthread.php?101089-Leaked-internal-CCP-documents-reveal-EVE-s-new-focus-on-f2p-and-microtransactions/page2


Pretty much.


Pretty much what these guys said.


PS: OP = ******.

Kalpel
Caldari
United Systems of the Allegiance
Important Internet Spaceship League
Posted - 2011.06.27 06:16:00 - [202]
 

Originally by: Jacoba Stalker
Inmates running the asylum?

Gotta clue for you; PAYING CUSTOMERS run this business, and if CCP wants to assert their authority (which is well within their power and right to do), then the customers that do not wish to follow along blindly to the showers, can and will assert THEIR authority and vote them out of business by taking their money (i.e. the fuel that runs CCP) and put it in another gas tank.

All the while departing the scene with a single finger salute.



Yup, I'm already trying out a few new games of free trial and so far Rift is great!

Eleena Wolf
Caldari
Caldari Provisions
Posted - 2011.06.27 06:18:00 - [203]
 

Originally by: Kara Liselle
Edited by: Kara Liselle on 27/06/2011 06:11:51
He`s trolling, people. He loves this.



maybe he is but the fact remains, the damage has been done.

http://whotalking.com/EVE+Online
http://www.1up.com/do/blogEntry?bId=9082963
http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/read/7.296363-EVE-Online-Players-Flip-a-Lid-Over-Virtual-Clothing?page=1
http://www.cliqz.com/gaming/c/32048.html
http://forums.penny-arcade.com/showthread.php?p=19647415
http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/2721583151

Richard Koslinsky
Posted - 2011.06.27 06:18:00 - [204]
 

Originally by: Jacoba Stalker
Inmates running the asylum?

Gotta clue for you; PAYING CUSTOMERS run this business, and if CCP wants to assert their authority (which is well within their power and right to do), then the customers that do not wish to follow along blindly to the showers, can and will assert THEIR authority and vote them out of business by taking their money (i.e. the fuel that runs CCP) and put it in another gas tank.

All the while departing the scene with a single finger salute.


I'm stuck on the forums because I can't get a refund on the re-sub that I just did 3 days BEFORE all this crap got thrown on us. I've pretty much given up on EVE at this point and have already moved on to another MMO, but since I already paid for this one, I'm here in these forums.

Falbala
Gallente
Ishtar's Destiny
Posted - 2011.06.27 06:22:00 - [205]
 

I thought the reasoning would be: "Since you've unsubbed, those who stay are for it so motion passed."

However MT are the current trend on MMOs, lets just make them harmless and everybody will be happy.

Warg Matar
Minmatar
The Red Circle Inc.
Posted - 2011.06.27 06:34:00 - [206]
 

Originally by: Eleena Wolf

My view is based from the mmos that I played that suffered the same kind of negative media from something that stemmed from ingame. They are either dead or dying

Dark age of camelot: dead/undead
Neutral


I remember DAOC too, their game was hardly as complex as eve, and they screwed up pvp way bad before voices were even close to getting as high pitched as eve community has been these last days. Mythic and the French were made of utter fail, ccp can still turn around.

Snowflake Tem
Posted - 2011.06.27 06:41:00 - [207]
 

I've gotta agree with TF, I'll be most disappointed if CCP does get weak willed and bend to the senseless baying of the mob. Although I will be sad to see some idiot customers leave the in-game market I'll be happier for the reduced noise level when the do shut-up and leave.

* No pay to win items are on sale. Period.
* CCPs timing and communication with the API licence charge and AUR items was VERY POOR. Made them look money hungry, which we all are, but it's bad form to show it.
* Soundwave is an ass - a likeble ass - but an ass all the same.
* Inferring condescending tone and taking riotous action from documents not addressed to you is imbecilic. Please keep taking the anti-psychotics.

What I'd like to know is who at CCP has stabbed Big H and Arnar Hrafn Gylfason in the back by leaking documents to prejudicial media. If I were Hilmar I'd crucify them for putting a kink in my plans for global world domination. Seriously, if someone butchered my trust like that I'd be truly miffed.

Cash Loki
Posted - 2011.06.27 06:41:00 - [208]
 

First off, we were protesting in an mmorpg world. I witnessed another great event in my eve career and the community is what makes Eve great. This is our game.

Eleena Wolf
Caldari
Caldari Provisions
Posted - 2011.06.27 06:42:00 - [209]
 

Originally by: Warg Matar
Originally by: Eleena Wolf

My view is based from the mmos that I played that suffered the same kind of negative media from something that stemmed from ingame. They are either dead or dying

Dark age of camelot: dead/undead
Neutral


I remember DAOC too, their game was hardly as complex as eve, and they screwed up pvp way bad before voices were even close to getting as high pitched as eve community has been these last days. Mythic and the French were made of utter fail, ccp can still turn around.


thats the point, those games went down to mmo graveyard for alot less. Daoc could have comeback if they fixed the imbalances, they did not, instead they kept releasing expansions. :/ pattern? Ccp could have for sure avoided that had they responded, but now they have to survive the media, that is something that is significantly harder than just surviving an angry playerbase. even if they fix things, answer questions, it is a very real possibility that it is already too late.

Reed Tiburon
Caldari
Future Corps
Sleeper Social Club
Posted - 2011.06.27 06:51:00 - [210]
 

Not negotiating with "terrorists"? In MY Eve?

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