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Sujanra Acoma
Minmatar
Shadow Kitty Legion
Rura-Penthe
Posted - 2011.06.26 19:27:00 - [1]
 

Incarna is going to happen whether we like it or not, since the Carbon framework is going to be used for WoD anyway. We might as well be able to take advantage of it. Frankly, I've been looking forward to ambulation for a long time and think the added immersion is nice.

This isn't up for discussion in this topic.

But I'm sure there are things that we can suggest to make improvements to Incarna as it stands.


Here are my thoughts:

1. The use of the old UI in the new environment is clunky. I would be happy with something new, designed from the ground up for when you aren't in your spaceship. We have big, pretty screens with very limited functionality. I was really disappointed when I clicked on the PI screen and just got my S&I window open to the planets tab. Give us a cooler planet management UI that we can use in station.

2. Hangar view. Lorewise, it doesn't make sense to decant every time we dock. It's supposed to be uncomfortable, and it's kind of odd to plop out naked right at the edge of the hangar itself for anyone to see. It would make sense to have a distinction between docking and disembarking. This way we can still spin ships and stuff, too.

3. This is sort of related to the first two. We lost a little functionality when we got Incarna. It's more of a pain to manage cargo and items between ships and stuff since we can't just double click and get into our ship's cargo. Putting the hangar view back would fix that problem since you could just not disembark if you're doing a lot of shippy things like that. People are never going to be happy if functionality is removed from the old way and put in so you HAVE to use Incarna. However, I don't think people would complain if NEW functionality was added so that people would want to use Incarna. See coming up with a nifty new window, that actually uses the screen instead of a popup, to manage and look at our planets. Come up with a new corp management UI, and have that be used on that screen. Give us more control over the big screen and let us do cool stuff with it.

4. Obviously we want to see the other racial CQs and to be able to do some customization. I feel a bit like I live in a Captain's Closet right now.

I'm sure that CCP is working on optimization and stuff so Incarna doesn't melt any more genitals.

Any other thoughts?

Che Biko
Humanitarian Communists
Posted - 2011.06.27 02:10:00 - [2]
 

Well, it would help the immersion factor (like 2.) if they would not sell boots that cost more than several battleships, and refrain from any releasing any other immersion breaking content, as this is the expansion mostly roleplayers have been looking forward too, as far as I can tell.

So far, the immersion breaking factors pretty much diminish the whole immersion that Incarna does offer to practicly zero. And then I'm not even counting the more frequent client crashes when I'm having IC conversations.

Sujanra Acoma
Minmatar
Shadow Kitty Legion
Rura-Penthe
Posted - 2011.06.27 15:06:00 - [3]
 

So, all people want to do is complain about MT? Nobody has any real suggestions on how to improve the content that's already here?

Rixiu
The Inuits
Posted - 2011.06.27 18:51:00 - [4]
 

All of these things are pretty much given but since CCP is so :smug: about incarna being the most awesome thing ever created by mankind I really doubt any of these concerns will be addressed ever since it would break their precious bubble. I hope it'll happen though (granted that CCP take a firm stance against RMT in all forms or I'm out of here).

Cedille Mureau
Gallente
Institute of Archaeology
Posted - 2011.06.29 08:52:00 - [5]
 

One word: performance.

CQ looks reasonable as far as I can see but seems to be a real resource hog. I'm not in a position to give a definitive opinion on this as I run EVE under Linux and this may (probably) degrades the framerate, but I have seen other comments saying that CQ is slow and that some people have problems with laptops overheating. Pretty is fine but if it detracts from the gaming experience then this should be addressed. reintroduction of ship spinning seems to be a popular request. I must say that the static screen used when you disable CQ is brown, dull and depressing. I do miss having an instant reminder of what ship I'm in as I have a tendency to undock with the wrong type of ship, and that is a pain.

Ya Huei
Imperial Collective
Posted - 2011.06.29 12:27:00 - [6]
 

The biggest problem with the CQ right now is that it serves absolutely NO purpose, aside from a bit of eye-candy.

BUT this eye-candy is affecting performance of the client, which, in my humble opinion makes it incredibly stupid to have even released it at this point.

I think the typical EVE player doesn't care much about how the game looks (otherwise we wouldnt be playing an old game like this) It's performance, and function that counts.

the update Incarna falls (in my opinion) into the same category as the "upgrade" from XP to Vista.

Looks better, alot slower, and less stable..









JitaPriceChecker2
Posted - 2011.06.29 13:18:00 - [7]
 

"So, what should be done to make Incarna better?"

Scrap it

Sujanra Acoma
Minmatar
Shadow Kitty Legion
Rura-Penthe
Posted - 2011.06.29 17:36:00 - [8]
 

Originally by: JitaPriceChecker2
"So, what should be done to make Incarna better?"

Scrap it


Won't happen. Get over it. Do something productive like think of something they could do to make you like it.

I play on a Macbook Pro running Windows 7 and haven't had any issues with performance. I don't multibox, though. My friend does, and didn't have any trouble with two characters in CQ at once, but his desktop is pretty new and shiny.

That doesn't mean that people aren't having performance problems, though. I figure that was kind of the point of CQ, to figure out the performance issues. Isn't this the engine they're going to use for WoD anyway? So, of course they're going to want to iron out the bugs there.

As for functionality... since I'm an rpnerd, I like the immersion. I always thought WIS would be cool, and that getting out of my spaceship would make me feel more like I lived in this universe. Furthermore, I think EVE is pretty darn pretty for an MMOG, especially when you look at WoW, which came out a year later.

But features! What features should be added?

Jessy Berbers
Gallente
Posted - 2011.06.30 04:35:00 - [9]
 

I agree with the OP myself on the first point especially, we do need a UI, and Ive been having the idea of actually just dumping the current (1999 style ui)
For a more modernish aproach and one we seem to be seeing in CCPs false advertising clips.

But ofcourse with difference, So called Mode buttons, One button for each mode, showing relevant info and nothing else not related to that specific mode.
For instance a button saying Combat Mode, It would change out the whole ui info and move it off to the bottoms and sides so you can actually see the targets and all, while on the sides we get our normal locking list we currently have, On one side, And maybe something else related to drones on the other side.
While on the lower side of the screen a few bars or just something similar would show up with shields, armor, hull and Cap.

And then in Industry mode it would show more to the middle and atached to the ship on the sides of it, the whole market and on the left/right side atached to the ship, info related to the item selected in the market.

Ofcourse this idea of mine is just up for improvement aswell.

Greets

Jessy.

PS: excuse my bad spelling and punctuation, have been awake a long while, while writing this post.

Neztruce
Minmatar
Salubrious Port Authority
Posted - 2011.06.30 13:07:00 - [10]
 

+1 to OP

CCP, let's see a separation of docking and CQ, let the CQ be something the pilots choose to enter.

Bring back the spinning :(

Vile rat
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2011.06.30 15:47:00 - [11]
 

It serves as a tech demo but with absolutely no content right now. I'm very supportive of things that move us away from spreadsheets online (and Incarna is a much better new player experience than what existed before) but it's hard to get excited until you can actually do fun things with it.

Yulinki Atavuli
Minmatar
Caldari Investment and Security Industries
Innovia Alliance
Posted - 2011.07.01 21:25:00 - [12]
 

Originally by: Vile rat
It serves as a tech demo but with absolutely no content right now. I'm very supportive of things that move us away from spreadsheets online (and Incarna is a much better new player experience than what existed before) but it's hard to get excited until you can actually do fun things with it.


I'd like to make the point that some of us are excited about what we have right now. you have to see the potential and not what it is right now. i feel alot more connected to my character then i was before and i know alot of new people looking at the game will like it much better. like before incarna how many people have you told about eve online and once you told them that you never leave your ship did they lose interest? right now it's small but soon you will see the whole grand experience. just be patient it will come.

I'm not sure what the "need" (besides just the role-playing aspect) will be in leaving your ship. but i would highly suggest CCP to really brainstorm some ideas.

Winternight Depression
Posted - 2011.07.02 08:04:00 - [13]
 

Originally by: Sujanra Acoma

So, what should be done to make Incarna better?


Roll back to pre-Dominion Twisted Evil

Cedille Mureau
Gallente
Institute of Archaeology
Posted - 2011.07.06 11:33:00 - [14]
 

Originally by: Vile rat
It serves as a tech demo but with absolutely no content right now. I'm very supportive of things that move us away from spreadsheets online (and Incarna is a much better new player experience than what existed before) but it's hard to get excited until you can actually do fun things with it.


Not if the user experience is anything like I had using CQ. Admitted I am one of the awkward squad running under Linux but if the framerate is down, laggy and takes an age to load then an alternative of, say ship spinning should be available. After all, WE are the paymasters and if CCP gives a damn about keeping their user base then it would, I suggest, be a good idea to give the players a choice of an agreeable alternative to CQ, not the dreary static picture currently on offer.

Black Dranzer
Caldari
Posted - 2011.07.06 18:25:00 - [15]
 

Your question is roughly tantamount to asking what can be done to an empty plate to make it a better meal.

Kirkland Langue
Posted - 2011.07.06 19:38:00 - [16]
 

Originally by: Black Dranzer
Your question is roughly tantamount to asking what can be done to an empty plate to make it a better meal.


This.

DeBingJos
Minmatar
Goat Holdings
Posted - 2011.07.07 07:11:00 - [17]
 

Originally by: Vile rat
It serves as a tech demo but with absolutely no content right now. I'm very supportive of things that move us away from spreadsheets online (and Incarna is a much better new player experience than what existed before) but it's hard to get excited until you can actually do fun things with it.

QFT

This first step, the CQ, is only to test the technology and to iron out bugs. I'm pretty confident CCP already has a lot of content ready to be deployed. We just have to be patient. (once again)

Name Family Name
Posted - 2011.07.15 03:40:00 - [18]
 

Keep the option to have it disabled.

Tori Sateda
Posted - 2011.07.15 10:00:00 - [19]
 

First of all, I would like to give CCP some time. They still haven't finished the other CQs for God's sake, yet we complain bla bla bla....

Okay, complaint hat is on, or rather, what I'd like to see happening in the near future:
1. Customisation. You've mentioned this previously but I want to stress out that this is the most important thing of having your "own" quarters. An extra couch, the ability to buy a new room for your CQ to stash your drugs, dog tags, Damsels, slaves or for those with the relating fetish.... frozen corpses. :p
okay obviously that would be a bit hard, but the ability to have an extra room with an extra couch or bed or whatever you choose to add would be really nice.

2. The TV Screen. First of all, you should all know that you can import your own videos to watch on the screen, out of game, there's a video on Youtube with someone watching my little pony in his CQ :p Aside from that, we should be getting more important information, such as Agent missions, corp/alliance messages, calendar events (the calendar atm is useless imo, they need to make it more... obvious?)

Asuri Kinnes
Caldari
Adhocracy Incorporated
Posted - 2011.07.18 03:41:00 - [20]
 

Originally by: Sujanra Acoma
But features! What features should be added?

Make it optional. I don't give two flips about incarna/ambulation/walking in stations. If that had been important to me, I wouldn't be playing eve, I would have been "playing" 2nd life.

Literally, I'm glad I live in a wormhole (CCP - don't you *EVER* introduce stations for WH's Evil or Very Mad ) And if you do, they better be destructible...

Originally by: Name Family Name
Keep the option to have it disabled.

Van Derka
Posted - 2011.07.19 07:55:00 - [21]
 

I want to see a 3D fitting tool to replace the flat fitting tool.
I want to see a new 3d saved fittings browser.
I want the popup buttons when pressed to show a new/different way of presenting the same buttons/windows as per the neocom buttons.

I'd really like to see the fitting browser show up a hologram of the hull and allow fittings to be changed and the turret animation observable.

I want to be able to spin things... and interact with things... turn the lights on and off...

Be able to walk out of that door!..

Kevric
Talocan Scrap Metal and Recycling
Talocan United
Posted - 2011.07.19 18:47:00 - [22]
 

I want to be able to surf my favorite **** sites from the CQ. That'd get me out of my ship.

44000
Posted - 2011.07.20 12:39:00 - [23]
 

Ok, I haven't actually 'walked' in stations for a bit of time as im now temporarily playing on my laptop that cant cope with it. But I had a few days of experience on my PC b4 i put it in storage so sorry if i get something wrong.

However, I would like to have a choice of loading locations. ie. I can choose to load on my balcony, or sitting on my couch (locations where functionality is at your finger tips) rather than standing aimlessly in a room or door. I really enjoyed chilling on the sofa, seeing the world go by and chatting to corpies, while being able to see my ship and edit it/my cargo easily.

A lot of my other desires I know are on the way and I can only hope they are quicker about it, such as customizability, better on screen interfaces for PI and corp (and the ability to choose what the screens show (id like to see my current build and research jobs up on the screen)

another rather cool thing to do would be to enable crome (their in game browser) to have flash playing on the main screen so we can watch vids? maybe? but certainly it would make me happier than having to alt-tab out to watch linked vids sent by friends?

I am disappointed that establishments have to be corp owned. I can see their reasons for it, but often this encourages players to set up their own mini corps and staying in them to play dolls houses (happens with POS's too) rather than getting in big corps and having side industries running along side them being in corps.


 

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