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Dasola
Minmatar
Posted - 2011.06.28 10:17:00 - [1201]
 

what some of you now dont seem to understand is plex is not same as aurum store...


Why?

If you buy timecode and turn it into a 2x plex
Then you sell them to market for isk, isk that entered game by someone else doing something in game (missions, industry, etc...)
Then you use that isk to buy shiny new battleship from market (Some player somewhere manufctured that bs from materials (mined, looted, etc...)
So that your new bs didint get to game whom nowhere, it took guite abit of player interaction to manifest into existence.

On aurum store onhand, ccp might introduce things that gets spawned out of nowhere with no other player interaction then even of buying one.

MMO Lotro is good example what happens to ingame "crafting" when developers go grazy over MicroTransactions, its non existant nowdays. Only things there worth trouble of crafting are things you cant buy from MT store there.

Curently eve is levelled playing field, none can have alloff sudden massive advantage over someone else, unless some one desides to backstab (bob and goons for example). Those in power has gotten there throw thinking, planning and lots of work. Theres nothing stopping 1 day old noob start doing the same and endup leader of massive alliance oneday.

We like to maintain it that way, so game rewards still those that use more then two braincells to play. Eve is not for everyone, it dosent have to be for everyone. Why should it try to compete against all other mmo´s out there when it allready has its own niche on market?

Eve is truly unique game in fields of mmos and thats why we love it with such passion that were up in arms, when developer company trys to destroy its uniqueness.

When i started to play late 2008, it took me only two days to be hooked into this game. One of the strongest reasons was its unique sandbox and no handholding attitude. Go out there and make yourself what your truly cabable of becomeing. My point of view is that eve is for adults with brain, those with no brain plays wow.

Jannx
Gallente
Posted - 2011.06.28 10:36:00 - [1202]
 

Originally by: Dasola
what some of you now dont seem to understand is plex is not same as aurum store...

If you buy timecode and turn it into a 2x plex
Then you sell them to market for isk, isk that entered game by someone else doing something in game (missions, industry, etc...)
Then you use that isk to buy shiny new battleship from market (Some player somewhere manufctured that bs from materials (mined, looted, etc...)


Yes, exactly! I rambled on about the same thing on the previous page (my fault for making it too long).

Peter Tjordenskiold
The Executives
Executive Outcomes
Posted - 2011.06.28 11:19:00 - [1203]
 

There is not much to say. I'm mostly interested into the sandbox. If CCP will put something into the game, that the sandbox expirience will vanish I will quit. Already the sale of GTC to get isk is a violation to the sandbox but not avoidable. My point of view was always that every player should be a part of an organisation that is organizing logistics and war, but already with GTCs it was far to easy to spare the logistic part. Every other functional item in the shop will destroy my motivation to pay my accounts.

I have no problem with higher monthly payments, but a mechanic that prefer players with the biggest wallet is something for WOW players. Maybe your profit is going up, but this community will be dead.

Xavier Castle
Posted - 2011.06.28 12:00:00 - [1204]
 


I think Eve online is in serious problems now due to CCP's greed. This latest blog does nothing to alleviate any concerns, and such is CCP's inability to give any reassurances it only adds to our concerns. Too much money is being fed to the two risky games and this seems like a desperate attempt to not go under by CCP. Only they are, or at least CPP Zulu is digging their grave. I do not accept that "sorry" from CCP Zulu, someone in a position such are his should know better and be better with communication skills. The total disrespect of players is astonishing... at least go take a break, get some air to cool off and re-read what you wrote before pressing send..

The current MTs prices are only only micro in terms of the pitiful item you get in return. There should never be used for anything more than vanity items, and they should be priced accordingly. If this monocle or something is meant to be special and expensive then cheaper items should have been released first, and everyone could have bought some nice things to decorate their characters/ships/etc. and really got into the spirit of your latest expansion. One room, and a walk way to view your ship is hardly an expansion though... its all very disappointing compared to 'real' in-game videos showing off bars and mini-games have been released by CCP ages ago. Where are these cool features? - fake? If this expansion actually added some real gameplay, i might be playing instead of complaining. I wish they would focus more on improving in-space features...

Oh and finally, revert turret icons.... UI icons should be clear and easy to identify, but now they are a multitude of dull shades of grey and black. The tractor beam and salvages are most missed by me. The new turret system is cool, the icons suck!

HanSolos Daddy
Posted - 2011.06.28 12:19:00 - [1205]
 

Originally by: Xavier Castle

Oh and finally, revert turret icons.... UI icons should be clear and easy to identify, but now they are a multitude of dull shades of grey and black. The tractor beam and salvages are most missed by me. The new turret system is cool, the icons suck!

Yes that really does beg the question as to what in the hell is going on over at CCP. They put so much effort into a much nicer laser light show and vastly improved turret animations. New turrets/turret animations = very well done!! The implementation looks amazing on my system, and my nightmare finally has 4 turrets Shocked (blasters could use just a little more love, CCP).

And then they screw up horribly on the new turret icons. They look like absolute crap, on a top of the line nVidia on a high rez monitor at 1920 x 1080. New turret icons = OMGWTF!?!?!?!?!?!

So we go from this:

Please visit your user settings to re-enable images.

To this:

Please visit your user settings to re-enable images.

Holy Bipolarity Batman!!!

Lars Erlkonig
Caldari
Discrete Solutions Ltd.
Mean Coalition
Posted - 2011.06.28 12:47:00 - [1206]
 

Originally by: Dasola
what some of you now dont seem to understand is plex is not same as aurum store...


Why?


I think players know the difference. The major problem is the items and market stop being a player driven economy. What if Players could just buy unlimited Utus, Gold Magnates, or State Issue Ravens, as opposed to acquiring them from alliance tournaments and events.

People are concerned not because of the lol-pricing, but because CCP opted to only tell us about past decisions about the AUR market, and not discuss anything about the future design philosophy, particularly in regards to a pay-to-play model.

Players are also concerned that while CCP hunkers down with the CSM reps in Reykjavik they are releasing absolutely nothing to the playerbase. CCP Pann starts off a thread that has the words "I promise we’ll start getting some info out tomorrow." and when she has a family emergency we are to expect that absolutely no one else at CCP is able to step up and help her fulfill what I see as a company promise to provide info? In the interim, the whole bit about charging 3rd party app developers, melting graphics cards, etc. that the company is mired in is losing me friends to play with and targets to shoot at.

Quadima
Gallente
Posted - 2011.06.28 13:14:00 - [1207]
 

Originally by: Katana Seiko
Why did you have to introduce a second currency at all? We have the ISK for everything inside the game so far. What you are doing with the AUR is - to put it plainly - bull****.

So 1 Plex is about 400 million ISK
It is 3500 AUR for one PLEX.
That means we got 1 AUR equal to about 114285 ISK.
So why don't you just cut the crap and call the Women's 'Sterling' Dress Blouse (Dust) by it's price?
It costs 3200 AUR. That's 365,712k ISK.

We are the players. We are the ones making sure you have a job. So stop giving us discrimination and double standard bull****.
K Thx Bye.


If they sell it for ISK, no real money is inserted into the game. You could simply do missions or rat in belt and get that ISK. Where's the GR€€D then ?

Q OSC
Gallente
Taurus Quantum Technologies
Taurus Quantum Dynamics
Posted - 2011.06.28 13:45:00 - [1208]
 

While i admire the resolution to solve this quick and listen to the csm on this subject.
Can i ask if you are gonna pay the tickets to iceland for the csm?

And if so , if the word on the street is true that your having financial problems, wouldn't it be more interesting to do this meeting using internet conferencing?

Fact is, listening to what u read on the forums should be all you need to fix this , isn't it clear enough allready?

De'Veldrin
Minmatar
Norse'Storm Battle Group
Intrepid Crossing
Posted - 2011.06.28 13:48:00 - [1209]
 

Originally by: Chribba
Edited by: Chribba on 26/06/2011 18:42:03

Ok, it's one step in the right direction, I'm glad to see that. And I do agree that communication is of utter most importance and I hope you do push further to improve the communication as well.

As for words cannot express... you could go youtube on our asses? Laughing

But seriously, glad you are taking the time for extra CSM meetups and I hope that there will be good results from those meetings. Keep up the good work and looking forward to what the future brings.

/c


The God of Veldspar sums up my feelings about the latest devblog from Zulu a lot more eloquently and succinctly than I probably would.

I'll just add - I've discussed this with my corp-mates pretty heavily the last two days and the general consensus I've found is that people don't really care about MTs in general. It's the potential for MT's to affect our internet spaceships that sends us into a rabble rabble rabble pitchforks and torches style frenzy.

MTs to paint ships? Fine and dandy.
MTs for new clothes in the stations when they are fully opened? Okie dokie.
MTs for tech 3 ammo? No no! Bad gaming company!

For those that are still screaming "No MTs at all!!!!" - that ship has sailed my friends. MTs are not coming to EVE - they're here. And that's not necessarily a bad thing, as long as they are not NECESSARY to still be competitive on an equal footing in the part of the game that matters to us - pew pew in internet spaceships.

taque
Posted - 2011.06.28 13:59:00 - [1210]
 

It is just sad that it takes so much of time to create a response while players are upset, not understanding why ccp ever made this decisions.

talking to CSM is just a joke. what does that mean? you are going to implement but spread over a few more steps or are you looking for ppl that find your decisions reasonable and pick them to talk with?

promises has been made to csm and the players of Eve. that there is a lot of tension and a lack of trust between the playerbase and ccp is due to the actions of ccp.

we don't want to hear about how sad you are about the recent events. we want to hear a sorry and we want to hear you keep your promises. and no, i don't care about that monocle. we're not discussing the absurd high prices of those ****ty things in store. i don't care.

but pay-to-win ****ed up **** is making me mad.

grow up ccp. be fair and honest.

DarkTemplarCrimsonWolf
Amarr
Posted - 2011.06.28 14:04:00 - [1211]
 

Originally by: De'Veldrin
Originally by: Chribba
Edited by: Chribba on 26/06/2011 18:42:03

Ok, it's one step in the right direction, I'm glad to see that. And I do agree that communication is of utter most importance and I hope you do push further to improve the communication as well.

As for words cannot express... you could go youtube on our asses? Laughing


But seriously, glad you are taking the time for extra CSM meetups and I hope that there will be good results from those meetings. Keep up the good work and looking forward to what the future brings.

/c



The God of Veldspar sums up my feelings about the latest devblog from Zulu a lot more eloquently and succinctly than I probably would.

I'll just add - I've discussed this with my corp-mates pretty heavily the last two days and the general consensus I've found is that people don't really care about MTs in general. It's the potential for MT's to affect our internet spaceships that sends us into a rabble rabble rabble pitchforks and torches style frenzy.

MTs to paint ships? Fine and dandy.
MTs for new clothes in the stations when they are fully opened? Okie dokie.
MTs for tech 3 ammo? No no! Bad gaming company!

For those that are still screaming "No MTs at all!!!!" - that ship has sailed my friends. MTs are not coming to EVE - they're here. And that's not necessarily a bad thing, as long as they are not NECESSARY to still be competitive on an equal footing in the part of the game that matters to us - pew pew in internet spaceships.


Built tech 3 ammo= bad company
BPCs with tech 3 ammo... ehhh... might work if done properly (BPCs! low amount of runs! high production costs! why? because it'd work with the economy to a degree and would be golden bullets but if you're going to do this may I suggest adding in class 7 wormholes from which you get the key material for said ammo? just to make it extra hard to obtain, like have only 3-4 of those systems in-game per total) but anything else is a no no, no ships, no mods, no standings, no lps, no sps, no nothing sold via NeX.

TheLieutenant13
Posted - 2011.06.28 14:06:00 - [1212]
 

A true politician's answer. He does apologize for the insulting aspect of the last blog, which was a big factor in our negative response. However, our biggest concern is the fact that game-play affecting items could be sold in the Noble Exchange in the near future.

Not selling 'Gold Ammo' to me, means they will sell market items through the Noble Exchange, just not things we can't already purchase through the market.
That said, I'm not sure how well CSM will hold up, seeing as CCP already has plans for selling these items, but at very least we can get CSM to solidify that no items better than what is currently on the market will be sold via the Noble Exchange.

Quit fooling yourselves, the answer is quite clear, Yes non-vanity items will be sold, but they will be the same items we can purchase on the market.
- We hope.

They whole point is to create a PLEX sink other than ISK and Gametime. Lets just say that half of all PLEX is sold for isk which never gets reconverted back into gametime. This ISK is lost in ships, ammo, modules... anything, you name it. CCP can create these things on a whim. The other half of PLEX eventually makes it into being added Gametime. In terms of having increased revenue, adding Gametime is bad, and losing PLEX to valueless items, is good.

So with the Noble Exchange, where only PLEX can be used as currency, items that are otherwise unavailable are sold. As to the exact nature of these items is uncertain, the best we could hope for is Vanity only items, or at the minimum, no items that wouldn't be otherwise available on the EvE market.

The goal is to reduce the percentage of PLEX added to Gametime and Increase the percentage of PLEX used to purchase in-game items through the emerging market that is, The Noble Exchange.

With monocles going for 1.4bil isk or $68, a battleship on the Noble Exchange will need to be priced in similarity (probably slightly less than) a battleship sold on ISK markets, otherwise the point of the new PLEX sink is lost. So the expectation is that any items that are also available through EvE market will be priced closely to what the eve market item is going for, but as for vanity items... the prices may never change, but just don't buy them :)
We can only hope CCP isn't so greedy that they price everything on the Noble Exchange for like half of its EvE market value... Economic Collapse.

Good Luck CSM, we are with you.

Brego Tralowski
Galactic Extensive Technologies
SUB ROSA ALLIANCE
Posted - 2011.06.28 15:29:00 - [1213]
 

Huff. Rolling Eyes

Krystyn
Caldari
Serenity Rising LLC
Slammer's Republic
Posted - 2011.06.28 15:42:00 - [1214]
 

Adding my voice to an ever growing list of people dis-satisfied with CCP's inability to tell the truth.

And speaking as a person with a degree in Economics...this is horrible business sense. We are people who buy a product from a seller. We buy the product because it increases our utility/happiness(or in English its fun to play.) Reducing the utility buyers get from your products reduces the number of buyers of the product. By not listening to the players/buyers CCP is shooting themselves in the foot. I wonder if the upper management in CCP actually studied business at all or even simple math. Does the sale of 52 monocles make up for the loss are 5500 some accounts?
I didn't think so. I hope the CSM points out the SIMPLE math part to the bean counters over at CCP and soon or kiss my account good bye.

Tro Aele
Posted - 2011.06.28 15:44:00 - [1215]
 

Responding to the blog, haven't read the discussion.

Thanks, CCP Zulu.

I was disappointed and alarmed at tone of the previous blog post and said so in its comments.

As I mentioned then, despite their ugliness I don't mind vanity items in principle. I think what makes them ugly is they make players feel like CCP's customers in-game. The players have lived with bugs and lag and unfinished design ideas for years because we love the game. There's a tacit agreement that we're in this together. Nothing breaks that spell faster than feeling like a customer. The reaction is 'if I'm your customer then all these little problems are unacceptable' and having lived with them so long we feel cheated. We are forced to re-conceive our years spent in game in different terms if we are just customers and not 'members' of eve online.

I honestly believe that if CCP had come out front and said 'look guys, the industry is moving to microtransactions, we've got a new avenue with them WIS, so we are going to launch a broad set of vanity items at various price points. Non-vanity items are off the table at least until 2013 (or something)' the players would live with it. Eve has been the recipient of much love, patience and leeway from its community. There is (was) more there for it if CCP needs (needed) to make a move to keep it financially sound. But that delivery sucked.

tl;dr : Don't remind us we are customers. We give a lot in the this relationship and will give more, but CCP has got to keep up the romance. Don't be EA Games. Be CCP.

Bottom line, thank you and bravo on the new blog post. Needed to hear it.

Joxxy
Posted - 2011.06.28 15:54:00 - [1216]
 

Not the best apolagy in the world - but its better then fliping the bird in previous blog.

Hoping to see some good news soon ...

CCP Xhagen

Posted - 2011.06.28 17:22:00 - [1217]
 

Originally by: Trebor Daehdoow
Originally by: CAAN0N
Haven't read the thread yet but has anyone yet considered the fact that CCP might be inviting the CSM to Iceland to go all snuff film on there asses? Careful guys could be a TARP!

Not a problem. We have CCP Xhagen on our side. Those who have seen him will understand. He's a full-on Viking Berserker with a mohawk.

Also, the main conference room is easily defensible, we could hold out in there for weeks.

While Robert's playful style is good, I'd just like to point out that this is not about taking sides. CCP and the CSM have built up something truly special in my opinion and I will make damn sure that the CSM gets their time and opportunity to speak to the people who make the decisions about CCP's business strategies.

This will be a challenging summit as I want to to be productive, not about butting heads and shouting and screaming. I aim at directing the discussions towards a logical path where a conclusion will be reached. What that conclusion will be and whether it will be to everyone's liking is not something I want to speculate on.

raker
Posted - 2011.06.28 18:32:00 - [1218]
 

Edited by: raker on 28/06/2011 18:32:21
Originally by: CCP Xhagen


I aim at directing the discussions towards a logical path where a conclusion will be reached. What that conclusion will be and whether it will be to everyone's liking is not something I want to speculate on.


I think its very important that the conclusion is to the liking of the playerbase "your customers" , dont you ?


Jitorius
Posted - 2011.06.28 18:32:00 - [1219]
 

Originally by: CCP Xhagen
I aim at directing the discussions towards a logical path where a conclusion will be reached.
It is just hard to imagine how players should continue trusting in what CCP is saying if we now realize that non-vanity stuff has been internally considered for obviously some time, while you had communicated to us before that "non-vanity MT will never enter the game".

If you had stated earlier "No non-vanity MT stuff for the next 2 years guaranteed", there would have been some rambling after those two years, but ppl would have known what to expect.

Talsha Talamar
Amarr
Nebula Rasa Holdings
Nebula Rasa
Posted - 2011.06.28 19:30:00 - [1220]
 

Edited by: Talsha Talamar on 28/06/2011 19:30:46

1. Was this interview to mbl.is done
before or after Zulus 2nd Devlog and the communication block ?

2. If not why did CCP not keep its commitment
to cease communications about the matter
till after the CSM-Summit.

3, If the communication was unavoidable or an accident,
why was no english translation offered to the playerbase ?

Its about trust you know.
Saying one thing and doing the other,
generally creates the opposite.

Fiberton
StarFleet Enterprises
BricK sQuAD.
Posted - 2011.06.28 19:31:00 - [1221]
 

Here is the skinny. CCP you fcked up big time. It is ok we all do it. Be it business or personel lives we all do it. I do think some folks are flipping out just to make a big stink. They believe it is the only way you will listen. In business money talks BS walks.

Here is your problem you did not think about. We already pay 15 bucks a month per account and the whole plex issue gives you a nice boost aswell. This pays for you making EVE, Dust 514 and that other game. Why the hell would we pay more money for what we already payed for.

Charging us for clothes and crap in a game we already pay a subscription for that pays the designers to make.

CCP you have lost your mind. You realize that Eve has some of the brightest minds in the world playing it?

How on earth will you explain to them that they pay for the game to be designed and then when certain aspects are made they pay more after that.

There is a old saying my friend. If it is not broke don`t fix it.

I use to ask friends of mine to join the game. After 7 years I do not even bother. Eve has turned into Super caps online and frankly every one of my RL friends have quit because of it. I personally love the super cap fleets as thy are. Everything is not about what I like or what CCP likes. It is what the player base likes. To your economist : Your economic theories are slightly flawed. Perpetual war and everything dieing burns alliances out. Those people take breaks from the game. Hence lost revenue. Scribble that in your equation. Eve players are not robots. (Atleast most of us are not) This is where you hire a organizational psychologist to fix your problems.

Please CCP Stop playing carebear in highsec. Yes we pay attention to dev interviews.

CCP one thing you must remember. You are not part of the " EVE ONLINE brutal in your face be smug if you want to we play a video game fsck you im gonna blow your ship up ashat."

You are the outsider. We are not your friends, we are your client.

Play your part.



My thoughts are mine. They in no way represent my Alliance or my corp. I am a free man.





Jannx
Gallente
Posted - 2011.06.28 19:45:00 - [1222]
 

Originally by: Talsha Talamar
Edited by: Talsha Talamar on 28/06/2011 19:30:46

1. Was this interview to mbl.is done
before or after Zulus 2nd Devlog and the communication block ?

2. If not why did CCP not keep its commitment
to cease communications about the matter
till after the CSM-Summit.

3, If the communication was unavoidable or an accident,
why was no english translation offered to the playerbase ?

Its about trust you know.
Saying one thing and doing the other,
generally creates the opposite.


Good spot. Makes interesting reading (through Google Translate).

Coco Caine
Posted - 2011.06.28 19:46:00 - [1223]
 

I fear CSM will tell CCP that 79% of the player base is against MT and CCP will interpret it as 'there are a lot of people, around 20%, requesting virtual goods'.

If that will be the case, it's biomassing time for me, because there is f2p games out there with more potential than Eve.

I'm not the least interested in spending a single cent in a virtual monocle. If it were a storyline reward of a 200 mission grind - you might find me spending months of subscription fee and game time to get it.

I pay CCP for 'GAME TIME', and have done so for several hundred $$$ already. This is the stuff game designers do, like storylines, pvp rule sets, balancing, pve, nice ship designs etc.

Fukc1ng game industry quacks took over CCP. 'Improve your profit with virtual sales' workshops by people who need a map to find their behindus and stuff.




Daenna Chrysi
Amarr
Omega Foundry Unit
Shadows Of Betrayal
Posted - 2011.06.28 19:50:00 - [1224]
 

Edited by: Daenna Chrysi on 28/06/2011 19:50:46
http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1540985

My idea for improving the game, and making AUR obsolete.

Vyktor Abyss
The Abyss Corporation
Posted - 2011.06.28 19:54:00 - [1225]
 

Originally by: raker
Edited by: raker on 28/06/2011 18:32:21
Originally by: CCP Xhagen


I aim at directing the discussions towards a logical path where a conclusion will be reached. What that conclusion will be and whether it will be to everyone's liking is not something I want to speculate on.


I think its very important that the conclusion is to the liking of the playerbase "your customers" , dont you ?




I don't think a leading question is the best response to this, especially to one of the Devs who is apparently more a facilitator rather than an innovator (Of these terribad ideas lately) - but what do I know.

My perspective perceived from CCP's language lately is that the innovators (and management) at CCP have already made their minds up on the "non-vanity items" subject and are inviting the CSM to CCP not to decide on if this happens, but rather it is to decide on when and how is best way to sugar coat it for damage limitation to the wider Eve community.

My guess is the CSM will be quite shocked, huff and puff a bit with moans about having no power (they don't), but after a night or two of free food and ale, the will become more malleable to CCP's line of thinking. Afterall they are getting a nice little holiday out of one of their hobbies, and get to speak to their hobbies "gods". Can't look a gift horse in the mouth.

Prove me wrong though CSM - Mass resign if they try to ram non-vanity items down our throats. That is the only card you actually have to play (Massive negative PR) in this "debate", and really the only action us players would support if CCP try to steam ahead regardless with "non-vanity NeX items".

[small print: Apologies for being blessed with gifts of perception and speculative powers, and serious apologies for appearing to speak for the community using "us" - I mean it generally, as I think I have a fairly mainstream view right now. Oh and I hope I'm wrong about CCP's fixed position.]

TorTorden
Amarr
Posted - 2011.06.28 20:18:00 - [1226]
 

Edited by: TorTorden on 28/06/2011 20:20:06
Probably been mentioned but CCP needs to understand that this is not a "Yes, both options please".

1. The last thing EVE needs is a further level of 'investment' from a players perspective. I have already invested 5 years of my time into this game.

if ccp makes the wrong decision here, I'm gone(3 subs). This means no subscription money and certainly no micro transaction money.

2. 90% of players older than a year of so think we have been short shifted with the lack of options in the character creator, and now we are seeing these same options being re-implented but at an additional cost. In short, not ok.

an extreme case of this are the extra fitting slots mentioned in the leaked pdf(I don't care if its an exagerated pov, if you write\say something, own it), CCP removes localy stored fits and moves them to a server, thus adding a limit of max 50 fits, and now not long after there is talk of giving us more for a fee.

TL:DR I feel ccp has been sneakliy removing features only to try selling them back to me, and I and quite a few other older players are at a point where we ask ourselves if we just cut our losses.

Talliana Mordeaux
Posted - 2011.06.28 20:47:00 - [1227]
 

I don't see how Aurum is any different from plex?
You buy plex with any international currency and convert it to in-game isk OR aurum.
You can buy clothes and whatever with aurum and then sell those clothes on the market for isk.
You can then buy more plex with that isk to buy more aurum. etc etc.

It all comes back to isk. And if you are worried about someone spending money to buy an item they didn't earn, I don't see how the plex system is any different. It allows people to use real live money to purchase things that they did not earn through game play.

The items weren't player created? Big deal. The best mods to be found in game aren't either. They are farmed by bots in 0.0. Sure, there are a couple of drops that are scored by legitimate players, but those are far and few between.

Incarna. New things were added to the game. A little disappointed in how little the overall update was but I imagine it's just a precursor to more content. Like interacting with other avatars in the seedy underbelly of the station, also known as the surprise sex dungeon.

I'm more interested in what is going to happen next rather than what has already happened. What will the next update contain and what's the status on the need for speed initiative? Last I checked, lag is still winning.

Andski
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2011.06.28 21:27:00 - [1228]
 

Originally by: Talliana Mordeaux
I don't see how Aurum is any different from plex?
You buy plex with any international currency and convert it to in-game isk OR aurum.
You can buy clothes and whatever with aurum and then sell those clothes on the market for isk.
You can then buy more plex with that isk to buy more aurum. etc etc.

It all comes back to isk. And if you are worried about someone spending money to buy an item they didn't earn, I don't see how the plex system is any different. It allows people to use real live money to purchase things that they did not earn through game play.

The items weren't player created? Big deal. The best mods to be found in game aren't either. They are farmed by bots in 0.0. Sure, there are a couple of drops that are scored by legitimate players, but those are far and few between.

Incarna. New things were added to the game. A little disappointed in how little the overall update was but I imagine it's just a precursor to more content. Like interacting with other avatars in the seedy underbelly of the station, also known as the surprise sex dungeon.

I'm more interested in what is going to happen next rather than what has already happened. What will the next update contain and what's the status on the need for speed initiative? Last I checked, lag is still winning.


You don't get it, do you?

You never convert PLEX into ISK. You sell it to another player on the open market.

Krell Kroenen
Posted - 2011.06.28 21:34:00 - [1229]
 

Edited by: Krell Kroenen on 28/06/2011 21:40:53
Originally by: Talsha Talamar
Edited by: Talsha Talamar on 28/06/2011 19:30:46

1. Was this interview to mbl.is done
before or after Zulus 2nd Devlog and the communication block ?

2. If not why did CCP not keep its commitment
to cease communications about the matter
till after the CSM-Summit.

3, If the communication was unavoidable or an accident,
why was no english translation offered to the playerbase ?

Its about trust you know.
Saying one thing and doing the other,
generally creates the opposite.



I ran that interview through Google translate myself and the key part that caught my eye was this.

"The third issue that has a lot of anger olliđ players is that they require management to certify that the CCP will not be able to buy practical things, "functional" with money in the future, so people will be able to buy a victory.

John says that the games production as CCP can not bring such a statement, but asserts that it will never be able to buy a victory in EVE Online, designed to be both.
"

It's not very clear and I was hoping that a native speaker could shed some light on it? It almost sounds like they are going to offer vanity items and functional items but not victory items? It also makes it sound like they have their minds made up.

Vorpaladin
Posted - 2011.06.28 21:40:00 - [1230]
 

Originally by: TorTorden
Edited by: TorTorden on 28/06/2011 20:20:06
TL:DR I feel ccp has been sneakliy removing features only to try selling them back to me, and I and quite a few other older players are at a point where we ask ourselves if we just cut our losses.


This is precisely what I'm concerned about. If CCP moves to the model of nickel and diming us to death like the Airline industry for necessary features/items, I'm gone. I used to fly for business quite a bit; I drive most of the time now. I can certainly give up a video game that tries to hang me upside down and shake every last penny out of my pockets.

If I have to pay above and beyond my subscription to have a chance at winning, then I am no longer immersed within a virtual world. I'm simply interacting with Real Life(tm) through an intermediary. Eve has already been sullied with Plex creating an unwanted connection between game currency and real currency. IMHO the Plex mechanism should only enable people to trade ISK for subscription time, not $$$.

I would hate to see Eve ruined by excessive greed. I have no problem with CCP profiting from their labors, but ruining game play to pad their margins by a few percentage points is a fool's errand that will ultimately kill the golden goose. I have a bad feeling that MBAs are running the company instead of hard core gamers who understand the community upon which their business depends for its very existence and who have a passion for creating exceptional gaming experiences. Obviously those running the company have to understand business too, but a soulless MBA who doesn't understand or care about gaming will destroy a company like CCP is short order.

CCP, don't let bean counters talk you into bad strategic moves! I'd hate to see Eve die because some dope in a suit talked you into trying to milk your customers for all they're worth. Like it or not, your long-term (read "repeat") customers possess above-average intelligence (by quite a bit) due to the nature of Eve. You can't fool us; don't even try. Ask your MBA... what happens if you tick off your customer base and lose your repeat customers as a result? On that point at least he or she can give you sound advice.


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