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J Kunjeh
Gallente
Posted - 2011.06.26 18:43:00 - [91]
 

Now THIS is the blog I wanted to see. In fact, it was more than I could have hoped for. An emergency meeting with the CSM in Iceland is a brilliant move CCP and one I hope brings the important issues to the table for a frank and honest discussion. Will there be "reporters" there live blogging?

Kudos CCP. All the whining can just stop now, or the whiners can just leave...Eve will be a better place without you if you can't even manage a modicum of respect this latest move by CCP.

Angeliq
Minmatar
Soimii Patriei
Vera Cruz Alliance
Posted - 2011.06.26 18:44:00 - [92]
 

Edited by: Angeliq on 26/06/2011 18:44:12
"Therefore we have asked the CSM to join us in Iceland for an extraordinary meeting June 30th and July 1st to discuss the events of past week, to help us define and address the real underlying concerns, and to assist us in defining and iterating on our virtual goods strategy.

The result of this meeting should be mutual agreement of how virtual goods and services will evolve in EVE. Other issues may be brought up and we urge you to contact the CSM with your comments and concerns so that they may be addressed at this session."

So there will be no "golden ammo" but the NEX stays. I see, so there will be "red ammo" or "pink ammo" or maybe "golden ships"?

Mechanoid Kryten
N0VA 5
Brainfarts
Posted - 2011.06.26 18:44:00 - [93]
 

Edited by: Mechanoid Kryten on 26/06/2011 18:45:35
Woooo! Eve lives!!!!

but what about ships that dont consume minerals but can be bought only with incursion isk / real money?

Still, i think the meeting with CSM will ensure nothing utterly horrible happens. I will contact them with a concert that causes forum threads to be closed when it is brought up.

Gydion
Posted - 2011.06.26 18:44:00 - [94]
 

i do hope they sort this out and keep the aur market vanity only, anything else is just going to cause more trouble.

Youve appologised zulu and i for one respect you for that.

Now its the turn of the company or should i say the head honchos to not completely mess this up and restore the game to the great thing it was before all this mess.

Florestan Bronstein
24th Imperial Crusade
Posted - 2011.06.26 18:44:00 - [95]
 

Edited by: Florestan Bronstein on 26/06/2011 18:45:57

I want to believe Very Happy

(whether accounts get resubbed or not depends on what CSM has to say and whether CCP manages to make me believe that their internal attitude towards customers is about to change massively)

Skarsnik
Caldari
DarkArch Corp
Posted - 2011.06.26 18:44:00 - [96]
 

Originally by: Algathas
I will keep my accounts unsubbed while I wait for a real answer.


I'll be waiting for the answers too.

Lennie Clarke
Minmatar
Republic Military School
Posted - 2011.06.26 18:44:00 - [97]
 

CCP:

Thank you for not getting confused by the mixed message the community has been sending through the honest ideologues dismayed by the possibility of selling gold ammo for EVE (such as you have discussed implementing in World of Darkness and DUST514) and those that are merely irritated by the apparent price (based off of the price for cosmetic upgrades like your monocles).

EVE would be destroyed if you transformed it into a Pay to Win game, and I am glad that Zulu and the others who contributed to this devblog seemingly understand that and will act in ways indicating that they understand it.

Kindora Adoulin
Posted - 2011.06.26 18:44:00 - [98]
 

Thank you Zulu and Fallout. This is exactly what I was hoping to hear. I really appreciate that you are taking a step back towards listending to the concerns of your playerbase. It would have been nice to hear that no game effecting items will be sold, however I assume that that is what you meant by golden ammo. Looking forward to hearing the results of the CSM talks. From what I can see, myself and many of the other protesters are standing down until CSM talks are done.

Once again,
Thank you CCP.

TedStriker
The Scope
Posted - 2011.06.26 18:44:00 - [99]
 

Edited by: TedStriker on 26/06/2011 18:44:33
So, you are dedicating a WHOLE ISSUE of your CORPORATE NEWSLETTER about something THAT NEVER WAS ON THE TABLE.

Now, you know a large portion of your customer base works in high profile companies and has an issue with this statement yes? Its really really strange.

Romulus Janus
Posted - 2011.06.26 18:44:00 - [100]
 

I watch,
I wait,
I trust not CCP.
I keep working on my tag image.
Kent Brockman With a SOE logo saying "I for one welcome our new Overlords. --- NOT!!!.

My kingdom for an awesome graphics designer. LOL

Vim
Spiritus Draconis
Posted - 2011.06.26 18:44:00 - [101]
 

Originally by: Gwenywell Shumuku

AND...EXPLAIN TO ME PLEASE:

why are you discussing something INTERNALLY for all employees to read if IT IS NOT AND HAS NEVER BEEN ON THE TABLE.
I can't understand that, from a corporate perspective. Thats as if you would discuss "how do we produce ferraris"...if YOU DONT.


They need to discuss MT for their coming titles. Noone knows thoose coming titles like they know EvE. Hence they talk about MT in an arena all of CCP can relate to, that being EvE.

/Case Closed.

Niraia
Seekers of a Silent Paradise
Posted - 2011.06.26 18:45:00 - [102]
 

"gold ammo" is too vague, and you know it.

Pathetic.

Chimaera Abaddon
Posted - 2011.06.26 18:45:00 - [103]
 

... I have to honestly wonder, why did it take two blogs to answer that question.

Why, did you completely ignore the CSM's (as they have stated) when they said it should be addressed in the previous blog. And now you want to bring them out to clarify things?

It was a single sentence.

Days, thousands of posts, people verbally beating the hell out of each other, mocking the concerns and lack of concerns and thousands of unsubs...

Because a single sentence couldn't be posted days ago?

Even if CCP really never will sell "gold ammo", etc, (and I don't even know what to trust because this is all so surreal) how can I forgive such a massive degree of incompetence? Or forget the turmoil I've felt as someone who has followed and loved Eve since 2005?

For a single, god damned, sentence? ... *shakes head* I'm not even sure how to react or what to think.

Algathas
Minmatar
The Revenge of Auntie Freeze
Posted - 2011.06.26 18:45:00 - [104]
 

No to gold ammo doesn't mean no to non-vanity MT. It's painfully obvious what their plans were and this is just another spin.

SciWolf
Posted - 2011.06.26 18:45:00 - [105]
 

I hope its not like "there's no GOLD AMMO, only SILVER AND PLATINUM! MY WORD IS FAIR!!!"....

Not subbing until 1 of july. Want to see some ACTIONS.

Fuel Technician
Posted - 2011.06.26 18:45:00 - [106]
 

What about Gold Guns?..........or ships for that matter??

Or maybe Gold Implants?

Toman Torax
Rage For Order
Nihil-Obstat
Posted - 2011.06.26 18:45:00 - [107]
 

Edited by: Toman Torax on 26/06/2011 19:02:56
How will this be any different from the past times that the CSM has brought issues and discussion to your table, and you have summarily ignored it and them?

I can appreciate your attempts to assuage the masses in what has clearly turned into a ****storm of gigantic proportions, but honestly, why should we believe you now?

You still have many long miles to go in order to bridge the huge gap in communication and repair the damage you have created by your own hands. This would be a great first step, but only if it is the beginning of more to come.

Miranda Ivanova
Posted - 2011.06.26 18:45:00 - [108]
 

i dont mind there being a few vanity items in a store, etc basic uniforms and stuff, but reguler cloths should be made by the players, i was looking forward to trying my hand at a new market in the game when up to now i have never done trade in the game.

Serenity Frye
Gallente
Heretic Army
B A N E
Posted - 2011.06.26 18:45:00 - [109]
 

Edited by: Serenity Frye on 26/06/2011 18:47:27
thanks for this blog entry. this one didn't make me go insane inside, so that's a pretty positive step. i am glad you said there is no gold ammo in the works - it is quite a huge relief, and is exactly what the community really wants to know. it's why people are rioting.

however, i think we need even more certainty. you'll recall that ccp shadow said nearly exactly a year ago that absolutely no MT would be introduced to eve. you guys have to do something that will address this. i know you acknowledge the breach of trust, and the irony that regards this concerning your own company's internal issues, but again: "it must be dealt with".

but again, this is a good step towards saving the game we all love.

edit: guys i'm guilty of the rage, too, but i think we can hold off for now. we made ourselves pretty clear with the past 48 hours of monument bashing. i'm not saying quit the protests, but i think we can stop calling him pathetic and whatever else. again, i'm guilty of this as well.

Makindi
Posted - 2011.06.26 18:46:00 - [110]
 

This is way to late. damage is done.


Mara Kell
Steel Beasts
Property Management Solutions
Posted - 2011.06.26 18:46:00 - [111]
 

To be honest "no gold ammo" sounds for me like there are still plans for gameplay influencing items in the shop.

Caiden Baxter
Posted - 2011.06.26 18:46:00 - [112]
 

What you do, not what you say.

Ra Vhim
Black Bag Ops
Posted - 2011.06.26 18:46:00 - [113]
 

Good blog. This can be something to build on. Trust is still lost between us and we need to know more in the near future.

I believe we all are waiting for actions, not words.

Gwenywell Shumuku
Posted - 2011.06.26 18:46:00 - [114]
 

Originally by: Vim
Originally by: Gwenywell Shumuku

AND...EXPLAIN TO ME PLEASE:

why are you discussing something INTERNALLY for all employees to read if IT IS NOT AND HAS NEVER BEEN ON THE TABLE.
I can't understand that, from a corporate perspective. Thats as if you would discuss "how do we produce ferraris"...if YOU DONT.


They need to discuss MT for their coming titles. Noone knows thoose coming titles like they know EvE. Hence they talk about MT in an arena all of CCP can relate to, that being EvE.

/Case Closed.


Nothing is closes, DUST is no seperate product. And Incarna is the door to MT. If you don't see that, or you are not working in any company where you experience such practices...than be a bit more carefull.

Monikerina
Amarr
Macross Space Defense Squadron
The Conglomeration of Ill Advised Ideas
Posted - 2011.06.26 18:47:00 - [115]
 

Here is the bottom line. This post is a scam.


How is it a scam?


CSM will be meeting with CCP on JUNE 30 and JULY 1st. That is a week away. CCP is still just hoping we will calm down and run out of steam by then.

There is now no trust between myself and CCP. They have shown time and again the CSM is just a figurehead. I have also noted that the CSM does not seem to be inline with the community on this, and have no faith that they will hold the line for us.

tl,dr

CCP stalling for time. No trust.

Judicator Saturnius
Amarr
Viziam
Posted - 2011.06.26 18:47:00 - [116]
 

Originally by: Chribba
Edited by: Chribba on 26/06/2011 18:42:03

Ok, it's one step in the right direction, I'm glad to see that. And I do agree that communication is of utter most importance and I hope you do push further to improve the communication as well.

As for words cannot express... you could go youtube on our asses? Laughing

But seriously, glad you are taking the time for extra CSM meetups and I hope that there will be good results from those meetings. Keep up the good work and looking forward to what the future brings.

/c


This, well said Chribba. Oh and:

Originally by: CCP Zulu
there are no and never have been plans to sell "gold ammo" for Aurum.


:slowclap:

DaiTengu
Gallente
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2011.06.26 18:47:00 - [117]
 

Originally by: TedStriker
Edited by: TedStriker on 26/06/2011 18:44:33
So, you are dedicating a WHOLE ISSUE of your CORPORATE NEWSLETTER about something THAT NEVER WAS ON THE TABLE.

Now, you know a large portion of your customer base works in high profile companies and has an issue with this statement yes? Its really really strange.


You didn't read the newsletter, did you? Some articles said it should happen, some said it shouldn't.

Lorna Sicling
Caldari
Helix Pulse
Posted - 2011.06.26 18:47:00 - [118]
 

Thank you - without undermining the process further you have stepped up, said what you wanted to say, and more importantly said what we needed you to say.

1. No "gold ammo" in your new store; and
2. We're going to talk to the CSM

We elected the CSM, this is the best way forward - any more comments or detail would render the meeting with the CSM a pointless freebie.

I'll look forward to the outcome, but in the meantime will continue doing what I do in Eve. This doesn't mean I'm going to buy a hopelessly overprices skirt though.

Dark Kano
Amarr
Viziam
Posted - 2011.06.26 18:47:00 - [119]
 

This helps us not at all. Ok so CCP talk to the CSM and the CSM tells them no pay 2 win items and just like last time the said no MT at all CCP will just do as they wish. I think that the CSM is just in place to placate the eve online playerbase. All it costs CCP is a few trips to Iceland and all of a sudden they are in touch with the players.

I wonder if the CSM enjoy being puppets and scapegoats?

Charles37
Posted - 2011.06.26 18:47:00 - [120]
 

That still seems like an incredibly poor and paper thin excuse for the catastrophe that your previous dev blog was, but I'll let it stand for now I guess.

CCP still has a lot to answer for in the eyes of the community, but hearing that you're not going to be selling in game advantages for Aur is a good first step.

Flying the CSM out to Iceland also shows a lot of good faith on your part, but considering how multiple CSMs have talked about the attitude CCP has towards them and how their feedback, ideas, and suggestions are often just given lip service to, I'm not sure if this is much more then just a PR stunt.

I guess I'll leave this with an analogy that should make a lot of sense, given both the name of your country and where it's located:
You're walking on very thin ice right now.


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