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Vandrion
Gallente
The Collective
B O R G
Posted - 2011.06.26 20:35:00 - [631]
 

"However, just to prove the point of the Fearless newsletter and give you a further understanding of what it is then there are no and never have been plans to sell "gold ammo" for Aurum. In Fearless people are arguing a point, which doesn't even have to be their view, they are debating an issue. This is another example of how information out of context is no information at all."

I call BS... The fearless newsletter contained pro's and con's from 2 employees... Now look at page 9. Here let me help you:

"CCP is in the process of adopting a virtual sales
model for its game products. While this model has
always been intended for World of Darkness and
DUST 514, you may be wondering how this will
work in EVE Online. Specifically, how will this new
strategy unfold in Incarna?"

This opening line isn't about debate you moron......
More----
"Not all virtual purchases will
focus on customization: some will
simply be new items, ammunition,
ships, etc. that can be purchased
outright."

Just caught you in a lie....... Yes-- you did and do still have plans to continue down the MT road..... We are not idiots........




HanSolos Daddy
Posted - 2011.06.26 20:35:00 - [632]
 

Quote:
Not all virtual purchases will focus on customization: some will simply be new items, ammunition, ships, etc. that can be purchased outright.


In his latest blog "Arnar Hrafn Gylfason" aka "Mr. N0 Credibility" says that this statement was taken "out of context." A large number of concerned Eve players have been asking for him and CCP to put it in context by answering a simple yes or no question. CCP has refused.

A large number of concerned Eve players have been putting this issue in a context that CCP understands, by cancelling subscriptions. Whether one agrees with that action or not, at least those players are communicating clearly, and in a language CCP understands. Eve players deserve the same courtesy from CCP, but I'm not holding my breath...


RougeOperator
Posted - 2011.06.26 20:35:00 - [633]
 

We should email SONY online entertainment and ask them what they think about their current partner. And how they are now associated with a Second NGE type company.


Notice how they avoided the question of NON VANITY items by talking about GOLD AMMO.

Xia Kairui
Lone Star Exploration
Posted - 2011.06.26 20:37:00 - [634]
 

To be honest I'd be upset if a company would NOT explore the possible options set before them. Thus I am perfectly fine if CCP would look at MTs and the feasability of it, as long as it is viewed in a neutral light. I am not against MTs - if someone wants to spend money to buy some bits I have no qualms with it, especially if the money from that guy helps CCP maintain current subscription prices or even lower them. Hell, if EVE became free to play with vanity MTs I wouldn't care.
The problem is that once money for in-game features begin it's hard to stop. It's a monocle today, a spaceship from thing air tomorrow, a titan in high sec the day after and forced sov takeover a week later.
Initially I was in the "CCP will know what is right for EVE" faction, but their handling of the player concerns have pushed me out of that corner and into a very careful reconsideration of the situation.
I don't want EVE to become a pay to win game, even if the partial implementation of it (PLEX) allows me to trade in computer time for game time. And the trust has severely been compromised lately.

-------------------------

One more word: CCP Fallout, thank you for stepping into this lions den of a forum with what appears to be a calm voice of reason, especially on what should be a weekend off work for you.

Mag's
the united
Negative Ten.
Posted - 2011.06.26 20:38:00 - [635]
 

Edited by: Mag''s on 26/06/2011 20:41:48
Originally by: Trebor Daehdoow
Originally by: Mag's
Please CSM, tell them we would also like CQ to be optional as promised. Wink

By a staggering coincidence, this is already on our list... Twisted Evil
Thank you Robert. I am not against Incarna, in fact look forward to walking in stations and whatever comes with it. But please let this happen when I wish to disembark from my ship.

The option should be there for either ship hanger or CQ when docking, with a button for CQ from the ship hanger.

Thanks for replying.

Adrian Dixon
Posted - 2011.06.26 20:39:00 - [636]
 

Zulu your statement is not 100% clear and not 100% unambiguous there for it is a failure.

I would like to see the NeX store and Aurium removed from the game completely. It's entire existance goes against the reason I signed up to EVE the reasons I decided to play this game and invest in the subscription, the reson why I am so disolutioned with so many game companies and game developers.

I have left every game that turned into a micro transaction game and EVE will be no different to me. My account subscription runs out in 27days I hope then you can truly judge my actions not my words.

Thank You to the CSM's I have spoken with, I hope you can find a real solution in these meetings.

Shemmy
The Inevitable Corp
Black Legion.
Posted - 2011.06.26 20:39:00 - [637]
 

I feel sorry for Zulu, I'm pretty sure he's going to be "sacrificed" when this finally reaches a resolution (if not before) and my feeling is it's not his fault.

But there is an obvious policy here that CCP will not be persuaded away from; they want to use MT as much as possible and they want it to include non-vanity items, and they simply cannot confirm what people want to hear as a result because it would be a lie.

At least it seems they have learnt *THAT* lesson.

Sad Panda is sad. Sad

El'Niaga
Minmatar
Republic Military School
Posted - 2011.06.26 20:40:00 - [638]
 

I like the tone better, however we do have the image now that the public face does not like the private face.

This seems a much better PR release than the previous blog which was a disaster.

I do like the no "gold ammo" comment. However I would like "gold ammo" defined clearly. Does that just mean special ammunition or like all of us are wanting it to mean, ships, mods, rigs, drones, ammo, that is anything that has better stats than industrialist can already make. I don't care about just reskins so long as the person has to take a like regular item to the store + AUR to get some special paint job etc, I just don't want anything that creates anything out of thin air that is used in space or in any future combat in stations. Nor do I want anything that creates something that has better stats game wise.

I like you want to talk to the CSM, not sure why this couldn't be done by skype or video conferencing but I'm glad to hear about it. However I do caution you have ignored or avoided their input now since really the current CSM took office, that's clear by recent events. So basically if its just a meeting to say this is it get in line or get out, you're going to ignite a firestorm and prove many like myself that have long claimed it that the CSM are nothing more than figureheads.

We'll see who betrayed who I guess after the meeting but it is foolish to have no other comments til after that. Silence is what is killing you. You need to go back to the old days and communicate often, genuinely and earnestly with the community. Only through such will you ever really regain trust.


Draekas Darkwater
Posted - 2011.06.26 20:40:00 - [639]
 

I'm not hopeful, but hopefully something good comes of this.

Haven't read this entire thread so someone may have suggested this already, but if not.

I'd like to request that if possible the meetings themselves should be recorded and posted on youtube or some similar venue soon afterwards. Normally this isnt possible due to the NDA nature of some of the discussions. However, at this point, there is a Titan sized credibility gap that exists between the players and CCP itself. Besides, I think that nothing but the blunt, honest truth is going to begin to restore any confidence in the company for those of us upset by all this crap.

I wan't to hear and see the people talking and read thier reactions myself, not try to read someone else's impressions of what is said. Body language is an important part of communication, and I'd like to see and hear for myself exactly what happens there.


If that is NOT possible, then my request to the CSM is to have a fireside chat right or soon afterwards to tell us what happened and take questions from the playerbase about what was talked about and what is/could/should be done about it.

Thanks,
DW

Callisto Ares
Companion Cube Industries
Posted - 2011.06.26 20:40:00 - [640]
 

This is one of the moments where we act on what CCP does and not what they say.

Maplestone
Myth and Peace Lords
Posted - 2011.06.26 20:42:00 - [641]
 

Edited by: Maplestone on 26/06/2011 20:45:33
I feel that the community has drawn the line in the sand in a confusing place.

Between the argument over vanity/non-vanity and the price of the NEX, I think that it gives the impression that there is strong demand when in fact, I don't think the community has ever accepted its existence. It's just that force of will has bullied its way this far. The community thinks "well, at least it doesn't affect me because I have no interest in spending there EVER" and the advocates of the store go "ok, we're getting our foot in the door and we can work on wearing down their resistance as we go".

But it's not about the store, it's about the game:

PLEX makes NEX completely redundant. The only difference is that the NEX is 100% gameplay-free. It cuts out all that messy part of actually playing the game: opening accounts, training skills, mining, fighting over resources and manufacturing the end item. A monacle only looks different from a carrier because there's no obvious reason *why* you need a monacle. But in the back of somebody's mind is the idea that eventually corps will have dress codes and that peer presure will get enough on board with spending in NEX to make it essentially as mandatory as a capital ship, even if you can still particapte in a theory in a newbie frigate.

To me this is the fundemental disconnect of vision and it is getting confused by the illusion of agreement between demands of "no non-vanity" and assurances of "no gold ammo".

QwaarJet
Gallente
hirr
Morsus Mihi
Posted - 2011.06.26 20:42:00 - [642]
 

Originally by: Meissa Anunthiel
We're reading you, be sure we're going to carry your words to CCP.

My stance on the issue in more words is here. Be SURE to contact your CSM members and let them know, we WILL read your mail.


I would like to echo the words of many here and would ask for CQ to be optional. I don't mean for a while, I mean for good. The current docking screen offers little functionality, and I would like to be able to do stuff like double click anywhere in the dock for the cargo hold. I never asked for Incarna, and it affects everyone. Bring the original docking interface back please. This is my biggest concern, along of course with an answer of if MT are staying. Not just non-vanity, but vanity as well. Vanity items for real money are a cheap money making scheme that has no place in EVE in my opinion.

Svennig
Posted - 2011.06.26 20:42:00 - [643]
 

Originally by: RougeOperator
Originally by: Svennig
Ok guys, it's time to give this meeting a chance. I was there in the last thread complaining. I was there in the protests. And now I'm joining the call for a ceasefire here. I'm happy with the answer to MT presented, I'm willing to take them at their word and hope that they move forward with the CSM in good faith.

It's time to give diplomacy a chance people, and to take them at their word on MT. Please, please don't manufacture problems based on wording or some other *******s, it makes us look like a bunch of ******s and it's going to make them disinclined to listen to our concerns.

Right now, Jaw jaw > war war



The meeting is 3 days to late mate. And only stalls this out longer.

Its been made pretty freaking clear what we want. They need to roll back on everything. Then have a meeting and decide where to go from there.

And actually mean what they say.


Nothing to stop the protests and complaints in the future dude. Let's forget that they're late to the party and just be glad that they've come at all.

Again, please, this is a ceasefire. It's not an end to the fight. It doesn't mean we dont care any more. It doesn't mean they won. It means that they're going to the negotiating table, and we must join them in good faith.

If we continue to protest, if we continue to post complaints on the forums, it harms our cause at this point. Talk to the CSM. Make sure they know what to do. And let them run with it.


Lord Khelben
Amarr
Wildly Inappropriate
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2011.06.26 20:42:00 - [644]
 

Thank you for your post Zulu. And as others in the CSM have already mentioned, I am sure this weekend must have been an emotionally rough one for you as well as many others at CCP watching this train-wreck unfold. While I can certainly empathize with how difficult it must have been for you, the reality is that you made your bed and now you are lying in it. You reap what you sow.

For a while now, CCP has taken for granted the fierce dedication and loyalty of EVE pilots, and you made the grievous error of assuming that our loyalties and passions were for you. You are very wrong.

Our dedication and loyalty is for the universe we co-created with you.



This universe is as much our work as it is yours. This is why we feel so passionate about it, this is why we rage when we feel that our labor of love is threatened. I am absolutely certain you can completely understand our desire to protect what we love, even as some choose to abandon it while it remains a shadow of what we remember it to be; some would rather preserve the memory of it than watch it corrupt.

You should definitely feel proud that you've co-authored something so massive, so organic, so evolving, and so unique as EVE, but all of CCP would do well to remember, especially important decision makers like Hilmar, that EVE is only ever what it is now because it is a collaboration with us, your pilots, your customers, your co-creators of New Eden as we know it. After all, isn't that what EVE is all about: "The Universe, Unscripted"? You may have created the body in which New Eden exists, but we are the cells in that body, and we are fighting to protect what you are doing to it against your own better judgement. We are, in essence, doing what we can to save EVE and CCP from itself.

Trust has been broken over the course of many poor decisions made largely in part to a "rock-star" attitude CCP leadership really needs to shed, so you'll have to forgive us if we remain skeptical. That said, I am cautiously optimistic that maybe, just maybe, you've learned your lesson a little bit this time, will work toward positive change in how CCP communicates and collaborates with us, the co-authors and passionate participants of this sandbox universe you've kicked off. Just remember that this passion you've cultivated in us for EVE that has made CCP as successful as it is today can be just as destructive as it is creative when carelessly or arrogantly not taken care of.

Show the players some love and you won't be unhappy with the outcome.

Ilmunel
Posted - 2011.06.26 20:42:00 - [645]
 

i would like more direct answer about more than vanity items qestion, so i will wait with renewal of my accs

Dasola
Minmatar
Posted - 2011.06.26 20:43:00 - [646]
 

Originally by: Yo****aka Moromuo
Originally by: Republica Winder
Originally by: GATORAN
Originally by: Republica Winder
CCP ANGRY AT US for breach of trust? ANGRY AT US?!!

WTF!

Angry that they GOT CAUGHT more like it.

This is yet another waste of time. CCP is clearly been playing for time during this whole affair, hoping that it'd blow over. So now they are calling the CSM to Iceland for an emergency meeting. This same CSM that CCP hasn't listened to YET regarding RMT.

CCP, you may reach a deal with the CSM. But they don't speak for us.

The reason the reaction has been so vitriolic is that WE REFUSE TO ACCEPT RMT IN EVE.

Until CCP acknowledges that reality and either removes the RMT or else bans everyone who protests or speaks up, things will continue as they are. Until all our subs expire that is.



They aren't angry at us, they're angry at the breach of trust that happened from the inside


The only breach of trust on the inside to be angry at are those who decided to ramrod RMT down our throats.

As for whomever leaked all this stuff to us, they are to be applauded as heroic.

If the leaks hadn't happened CCP would have been able to take their ill gotten gains (our continued subscriptions) and done their pay-to-win plans behind the curtain and sprung it on us unawares. Now we know what their plans are, the cat is out of the bag.

No. These leaks are anything but heroic, particularly the leak of shareholders' information. The shareholders' information leak alone can cause great damage to the corporation, and was most likely leaked with clear, malicious intent.

So, no.


At least in my country shareholder information is matter of public and corporation actyally has to provide that information on request.

Ho ever leaked inside ccp, i would promote him as headman of community team, hes the only one that actyally tough as players during this ccp ****up.

Daenna Chrysi
Amarr
Omega Foundry Unit
Shadows Of Betrayal
Posted - 2011.06.26 20:43:00 - [647]
 

Edited by: Daenna Chrysi on 26/06/2011 21:03:00
Quote:
and to assist us in defining and iterating on our virtual goods strategy.


in other words it is not a negotiation, it is about making the CSM do the work of the PR department so that the player base will swallow the AUR.

The exodus needs to continue, EVE needs to keep burning. While the player base elected the CSM, it doesnt mean they can magically bring the players who have cancelled their accounts back to the fold.

They speak for us, because you appointed them to speak for us, just because we got to vote, doesnt mean they are our leaders or have any say in what players do. If the player base wants to burn EVE, no CSM can stop them, agreement with the CSM wont bring back the players who have quit.

you look at what we do, and less what we say. This works both ways, you dont value our opinions, then why would we value anything you force the CSM to agree to? we look what you do, and all you are is stalling for time.

Do something real and roll back Incarna. No degree of apology will be enough at this late stage of events, no explanation or reiteration will be enough. you have lost all credibility with the player base and only way to regain some of it, if you make it impossible for yourself to do the things players fear, only way to achieve that is to roll back incarna.

CSM, this is your chance to show CCP you are not their lackies, eager for a free trip to iceland, once you are all there resign in protest and go back home.

Korbin Dallaz
Posted - 2011.06.26 20:44:00 - [648]
 

( in my best Bill Clinton voice ) :
" I did not have sexual relations with that woman (long pause) Monica Lewinski. "

The question asked and reposted thousands of times in a few different ways was will the Noble store be expanded beyond vanity items and you comment about gold ammo only leaving the door wide open to platinum ammo skill points for plex and what ever else did not address the question. You also completely avoid the whole topic about if you had promised the CSM that MT would never expand beyond vanity items a few months before the release of the Fearless issue titled Greed is good then why was it even being discussed?

I challenge any of you married guys at CCP to have meetings with some other woman and discuss the possibility of cheating on your wife and then leak it to your wife then tell her that you were only debating the topic. I'm sure it would go by without further incident.

I am not sure why I am even discussing this here as it appears that you guys have your minds made up already and the only thing you will listen to at this point is canceled subscriptions and my guess is that by the time those get high enough to alarm you it will likely be too late.

So either your plan works and a lot of new players come to replace the vets that are leaving and eve continues on to lead the gaming world in mediocrity and selling out or total player numbers drop way off and Eve dies. Either way you've drawn your line in the sand and the only way back you seem determined to never allow to happen.

Elsamad
Posted - 2011.06.26 20:44:00 - [649]
 

I don't care one way or the other about MT, and honestly, I don't care about p2w transactions (here's the important part coming) SO LONG AS THEY ARE AVAILABLE TO EVERYONE!

Take Aurum out of the equation entirely, let people buy plex and cash them in for isk, same as they've always been doing. Keep the NEx for the people that like shiny crap or putting my little pony decals all over their ships. Hell, put in extra ship slots through the NEx, but let me and anyone else buy them with isk...ISK that we either earned by ratting/missioning/mining/scamming/piracy or bought with plex.

Think it won't be a cash cow? not directly...but at least this won't alienate your multi-account, multi-year, paying customers who're capable of crashing the game economy and burning the castle to the ground in a fit of (justifable) nerdrage...and will keep them here, paying subs, buying plex, etc, and will keep the eve online community the one that was voted 'best' by tentonhammer and others. THE BEST.

This character is a total carebear...I deal with hulkageddon, I deal with can-flippers, suicide gankers, jita scammers, valentine operatives in the corp, the whole bit...why? because I LIKE THE GAME! This place, with the crapbrown clouds in amarr space, the incursions all over the place, and the random violence more indicative of the old west than the 'future of humanity' has charm and yeah, a hell of a lot of flaws too.

Until CCP stopped listening to its players. Until the devs stopped writing a game with lore, history, immersion and a gritty feel where you 'could' lose yourself in 'spreadsheets in space' (DIFFICULT FEAT FOR JUST PRETTY PICTURES)

We, The People, the pod pilots, have made eve the place it is. For many of us..a home.

It's been said that CCP built the sandbox, and said 'Here you will be gods, to soar above those poor planetbound souls, to rein through immortality and resurrection to make the skies tremble and the fabric of the universe itself quake with titanic fury!'

Eve players, all of us, we have egoes, true...but rightly earned. We are not only special in the game world, but we are a special type of player...the insane learning CLIFF, the random odd changes to what is for intents and purposes, a reality, the promise that WE would have lasting impact through sovereignty or through building corporations that could topple empires...THAT is a special kind of gamer. the gamer for whom this game was originally written and built.

Do any of you guys that wanted this kind of game to start with ever play it? You and you, at the dev chairs, who dreamt of ruling the stars...what do you play now? Do you still come into eve and go 'Wow! THIS is what I was looking for in a GAME!' or do you just plod your way through your day and collect a paycheck releasing half finished and shoddy work? Would YOU ever play the game that you're releasing?

And it's true, Eve isn't the game it once was. But it could still be great. IF you remember where you came from.

How many still remember that first (often stupid or suicidal) flight into lowsec space to nab a ship or a bit of cargo, hearts pounding and palms sweating the whole time?

How about looking at that first million isk and going 'man, I DID that!'

How about that first time you miners wiped out a belt solo, or you pvpers took down a bs with your cruiser because you were SMARTER than him?

It's because we are a specialty, CCP. A niche market. You will never, I'm sorry to say, succeed by trying to appeal to the majority of the world markets by lining up your dedicated, diehard, halfdozen (average) year playerbase up against the wall and shooting them individually in the face.

CCP Zulu, I respect that you apologized, but if anyone asks me (unlikely) This is a time to remember the subscribers, the PEOPLE that built this game, and remember that if they are unhappy, they WILL LEAVE. Period. And no amount of new subscribers will rebuilt what was (and could be again) the crown jewel of gaming.

Korbin Dallaz
Posted - 2011.06.26 20:48:00 - [650]
 

Originally by: QwaarJet


I would like to echo the words of many here and would ask for CQ to be optional. I don't mean for a while, I mean for good. The current docking screen offers little functionality, and I would like to be able to do stuff like double click anywhere in the dock for the cargo hold. I never asked for Incarna, and it affects everyone. Bring the original docking interface back please. This is my biggest concern, along of course with an answer of if MT are staying. Not just non-vanity, but vanity as well. Vanity items for real money are a cheap money making scheme that has no place in EVE in my opinion.


This

Pao An
Posted - 2011.06.26 20:48:00 - [651]
 

Originally by: GATORAN
Originally by: Pao An
Originally by: Juan Sezole
NONONONONO

Zulu you did it again.

WE DO NOT WANT MT AT ALL NO ITERATIONS NO DEVELOPMENT

GET THAT THRU YOUR HEAD FFS


Quit trying to speak for everyone. I have no problem with Micro transactions for vanity items. So long as they really are micro and not obscenely expensive.


Speak for yourself, I don't particularly mind MT...I just mind MT that gives you an ingame advantage/boost

I was speaking for my self and answering someone who presumed to speak for me by stating that no one wants MT even for vanity items.
I never said I was for MT that gave in game advantages. So grow up and quit twisting things just because you are looking for a fight.

Dalton Vanadis
Posted - 2011.06.26 20:49:00 - [652]
 

Originally by: Trebor Daehdoow
From CSM5 Chair Mynxee, who is currently unsubbed:

Zulu: Thanks for this devblog. We have asked you to engage with the CSM on these weighty recent matters. There is no better demonstration of your commitment to that than flying them to Iceland for face to face communications. This has been a terribly uncomfortable and stressful time for everyone (even people like me who, despite no longer being subbed, cannot seem to stop caring about EVE and its community). I hope this meeting provides a way forward that is in the best interests of EVE, the players, and CCP. Also, I hope that the subsequent minutes are published speedily and in conjunction with dialog and dev blogs from CCP to communicate the results.

Originally by: Mena Arzi
What about PLEX for Remaps? We know that was one of the original ideas, not exactly gamebreaking but still non-vanity MT.

That was part of the original MT discussions with CSM5, the upshot of which was that MT should be vanity-only, and that PLEX for Remaps -- which was a plan that was floated to us, but never formally planned AFAIK -- was over the line.

Thus, no PLEX for Remaps.

Originally by: Garrance
If you realize speed is a big issue - why make us all wait for a week or more by talking to CCP in ICELAND? Do it by Skype and save us all that time waiting. Otherwise it seems just a CCP delay tactic.

We do a lot of Skype chats, and have done voice conferences with CCP in the past. But honestly, they are not nearly as good as being able to look people in the eye and see them sweat when you ask them the tough questions.

That's why people fly around the world for meetings -- they are much higher bandwidth.

No doubt some CSMs will have work obligations that prevent them from attending, and will teleconference in if possible. But that is a poor substitute IMHO -- so in this respect I must disagree with my colleague Meissa.

And of course, we are not going to sit around with our thumbs up our asses for the next few days, we'll be very, very busy prepping.

Originally by: Mag's
Please CSM, tell them we would also like CQ to be optional as promised. Wink

By a staggering coincidence, this is already on our list... Twisted Evil


Don't let us down Trebor, or the rest of the CSM for that matter. They really need to get this **** together after a week of PR failboating. They have a lot of uphill work to do before I feel like putting in the time to play a game that seems like it might explode into a thousand bits of glittery player rage, and a lot of that work will be done if the CSM gets definitive answers and promises from them (though with the tinfoil analyses in this thread it seems CCP is still having issues with keeping its word to the players/CSM, but I'll overlook that if they are forced into a promise again).

Heck you know what might be nice, have them put the promises they make to the players and the CSM up in a section of their website, and make damn sure every CCP employee knows about those promises so that if they even think about reneging on their word it will be even more painfully obvious than mass in game riots, giant spontaneous threadnought rages, and boatloads of unsubs that going back on their word is the WORST PR MOVE EVER.

Bring back my love of CCP as the greatest company ever, I'm counting on it, my favorite game hangs in the balance.

Adira Hamalia
Posted - 2011.06.26 20:49:00 - [653]
 

Aurium shud be dropped and the items in the NeX store shud be sold by npc's on the market. The old style hanger view shud be an alternate view to cq and if ccp are short of cash they shud up the cost of plex/gtc/subing.

edith prickley
Posted - 2011.06.26 20:50:00 - [654]
 

On some level, I genuinely feel sorry for Zulu et al. this week, because I guess they are sincere when they say they are emotionally invested in this game and this community.

But seriously, how many new clients did they lose this week while they were sulking in a corner? The blogs have been having a field day at EVE's expense, and they didn't even put up a fight.

Based on eve-offline numbers, Incarna has to be regarded a complete failure to this point. Maybe the numbers will pick up over time.

CCP: Grow up. Sometimes your job is hard, and sometimes your job is not fun. But you still have to do the job. Or is "Fearless" just a motto when things are rolling the right way?

Shiboline M'Ress
Posted - 2011.06.26 20:51:00 - [655]
 

This is the best PR management ccp is capable of? For heaven sake, Bill Clinton had more skill in explaining how it was not technically verbal intercourse.....ugh

Vandrion
Gallente
The Collective
B O R G
Posted - 2011.06.26 20:51:00 - [656]
 

CCP has already lied and stated no MT at all once to us.. You did a 180 on that.. Why believe you now... You have the track record of dishonesty and deceipt.......

http://i.imgur.com/f5Cq5.jpg

Image changed to URL. Zymurgist

Anna Maziarczyk
Posted - 2011.06.26 20:51:00 - [657]
 

Quote removed for inappropriate language. Zymurgist

ego damager.

no way around it.

ego's were harmed in the making of that pic.

Ithiria Deritan
Amarr
Ministry of War
Posted - 2011.06.26 20:52:00 - [658]
 

Edited by: Ithiria Deritan on 26/06/2011 20:58:11
Alright normally I don't read all 22 pages of this. people fighting back and forth, saying good job, bad job, you didn't say this. but for once I did and I will point out one or two things, having read other players responses in other forums, words of friends in the game and of corpmates/alliance mates.

First CSM: thank you for going to bat as you were voted in to do you are the players link to CCP for when they sometimes forget they have real blood players who have feelings and desires. You do good work, when it is listened to.

Second: CCP * smacks upside head* add DEBATE to your internal newsletter topics so if it ever gets leaked again we know it is a debate not POLICY

third: People complaining about "gold ammo, what about gold ships" geeze cant please anyone can they, you don't ***ch about Gold ammo as a catch all term when you use it, but you ***ch about it when zulu used "gold ammo" as a catch all . ****ing 5 year olds

fourth: while I do support the "riot" against ccp for this if it were to happen, I do not think insulting remarks to CCP members should be used, you insult someone RL 90% of the time they dont talk to you again, and yes I know alot of people felt insulted by CCP's actions and those that truly were and were not just on the band wagon you've unsubed so your not talking to CCP anymore anyway.

fifth: How many of you did debates in high school language arts/drama/social studies? one side is assigned one topic EG: Pro-Abortion, the other side is assigned the flip of said topic EG. Anti-abortion. are you telling me because someone did something assigned to them your going to or do still hate them?

Obsidian Hawk
RONA Corporation
RONA Directorate
Posted - 2011.06.26 20:53:00 - [659]
 

Edited by: Obsidian Hawk on 26/06/2011 20:59:00


TL;DR of the dev blog.

CCP Zulu on behalf of CCP Game - we are sorry, we seriously messed up and created a pr disaster with our newsletters that were debating an issue, and ccp hillmars email.

WE WILL NOT SELL PAY TO WIN ITEMS EVER AND NEVER WILL.

However because of this PR disaster and the people leaving, we know we really really need to redeem ourselves, and are getting the CSM out here for a huge summitt, to redeem ourselves.

Please eve mail the csm with your questions, concerns and what you would like to see in EvE. We love you we love this game, and want to redeem ourselves in the eyes of the community.



CCP zulu, thanks for saying there will never be pay to win, you have reaffirmed my hope this game will forever be my mmo.

oh yeah edit - SNIPE!

Shemmy
The Inevitable Corp
Black Legion.
Posted - 2011.06.26 20:53:00 - [660]
 

Originally by: Elsamad

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+1. Well said.


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