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Posted - 2011.06.26 18:33:00 - [1]
 

Read Zulu's newest dev blog here

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Ghoest
Posted - 2011.06.26 18:33:00 - [2]
 

Ill watch what you do not what you say.

Don Pellegrino
Pod Liberation Authority
HYDRA RELOADED
Posted - 2011.06.26 18:34:00 - [3]
 

Edited by: Don Pellegrino on 26/06/2011 19:03:53
Edited by: Don Pellegrino on 26/06/2011 18:46:23
It's extremely disappointing that CCP is unable to repeat its promise that was made to the CSM one year ago.
How hard is it to simply say: "There will never be non-vanity microtransactions"?

That's all we want.

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Originally by: devblog
there are no and never have been plans to sell "gold ammo"

Please allow me to not belive you at all.
In a part of the newsletter called "Delivering the goods: Virtual sales in Incarna",
Originally by: newsletter
Not all virtual purchases will focus on customization: some will simply be new items, ammunition, ships, etc. that can be purchased outright.


They keyword is WILL. It's not "might" or "we are considering". It reads like a done deal. So allow me to call bull**** on "never have been plans to sell gold ammo".

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Also, "There HAVE BEEN no plans" does not mean "There WILL NOT be plans".

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Once again,
Please repeat after me: "There will never be non-vanity MT's in Eve Online".

That's all we want you to say and you still refuse to do it. Saying that little sentence will restore the confidence, because that devblog just looks like some poor attempt at damage control. The devblog says nothing, it's totally empty.

Darik Jita
Posted - 2011.06.26 18:34:00 - [4]
 

what you do, not what you say

Sgt Napalm
Veto.
Veto Corp
Posted - 2011.06.26 18:34:00 - [5]
 

Edited by: Sgt Napalm on 26/06/2011 18:40:11
Edited by: Sgt Napalm on 26/06/2011 18:36:41
"here are no and never have been plans to sell "gold ammo" for Aurum"

Thank you Cool You could have saved the community 2 days of grief by just saying that in the first place. There are still some out-standing questions, but it appears that you are waiting for CSM to comment. That is a good thing.

Also; shout out to Mashie.

Vhelia
Posted - 2011.06.26 18:34:00 - [6]
 

Originally by: Darik Jita
what you do, not what you say

Phoenus
Caldari
Habitual Euthanasia
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2011.06.26 18:34:00 - [7]
 

Edited by: Phoenus on 26/06/2011 18:51:08
Edit: Too vague.

"Gold Ammo" - are you referring to pay-to-win in general, or (in typical CCP fashion) just hiding that under actually meaning >ammo<?

You mention nothing regarding PTW for non-AUR currencies (e.g. RL $$$) - is this on the cards?

Huyai Tsukurit
Caldari
Grau Foundation
Posted - 2011.06.26 18:35:00 - [8]
 

Edited by: Huyai Tsukurit on 26/06/2011 18:41:33
I am pleased that you are planning the meeting with the CSM this is something I knew would be a good start as throughout this there is a distinct feeling that they were being marginalised and therefore that the playerbase was being marginalised.

I am a little concerned that the comment about "golden ammo" does not fully answer the issue of game changing Macrotransactions.

Only time will tell and my fingers are crossed that the relationship between players and ccp can be repaired. Just remember that there can never be too much communication, only too little.

Dex Ironmind
Posted - 2011.06.26 18:35:00 - [9]
 

Edited by: Dex Ironmind on 26/06/2011 18:58:33


We shall see what you do, but this doesn't really answer any questions. You have the CSM's ear on this. We know they have talked to you about it. You already made commitments to them. Those commitments were brought into question and you acted despite their advice. Now you want to renegotiate with a bit of SWAG (i.g., trip to Iceland)? Why not handle it via Skype and get this thing done ASAP. Don't make your community wait longer for an answer. Your community has spoken loudly and clearly. What more can the CSM say that has not already been said?

Thanks for the gesture, but we will judge you by your actions and right now, you have not acted on what your community has asked for. Remain unsubbed until we know for sure there will be no non-vanity items in the NEX store.

Dex was here. Mad

Otocinclus
Minmatar
Project Nemesis
Moar Tears
Posted - 2011.06.26 18:35:00 - [10]
 

first page

Arec Bardwin
Posted - 2011.06.26 18:36:00 - [11]
 

oh well

BeauChaotica
Odin's Ravens
Posted - 2011.06.26 18:36:00 - [12]
 

Apologies are no good to us. Still, thanks for admitting it.

Majuan Shuo
Gallente
Sons Of 0din
Fatal Ascension
Posted - 2011.06.26 18:36:00 - [13]
 

Edited by: Majuan Shuo on 26/06/2011 19:53:36
What about "gold" ships? "gold" implants? "gold" SP unlocks that give instant SP? What about MT for faction towers/standings?

What about Aurum for extra fittings?

This is like when you said "we have no plans" which equals "well we made plans after the fact, get used to it."

Gold is a byword we use that means "non-vanity."

Just say no to GAME ENHANCERS aka NON-VANITY ITEMS/SHIPS/you get the picture you Dalek; and we can all be happy and get along like space nerds.



Originally by: Ghoest
Ill watch what you do not what you say.

Sha Dar
eXceed Inc.
Posted - 2011.06.26 18:36:00 - [14]
 

NOW you want to listen to the CSM...

LOL

Innominate
Amarr
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2011.06.26 18:36:00 - [15]
 

Edited by: Innominate on 26/06/2011 18:54:32
Quote:
fueled by emotions that had built up due to a breach of trust we at CCP have been experiencing over the past few days.

What.

Quote:

I see it's clear we need to strengthen the deep mutual trust and respect that's been so unique and descriptive of our relationship.


More sarcasm. Nice.

Quote:

However, just to prove the point of the Fearless newsletter and give you a further understanding of what it is then there are no and never have been plans to sell "gold ammo" for Aurum. In Fearless people are arguing a point, which doesn't even have to be their view, they are debating an issue. This is another example of how information out of context is no information at all.



Lies, spin, and equivocation. "Gold ammo" is a catch-all for anything affecting gameplay, and I suspect you're not using it as such here. You're being careful to not answer the primary demans which is for you to disavow all "non-vanity" items. I also don't see any promise that it won't happen in the future.

Quote:

Due to the volatility of the topic we want to refrain from any further comments on this matter until after meeting with the CSM.



"Please stop talking about this."


It's okay, CCP only hits us because they love us.

Ratty McHardJew
Posted - 2011.06.26 18:36:00 - [16]
 

tl;dr - No Gold Ammo, Zulu's sorry for sounding smug, more details after CSM get another trip to Iceland

Onsa Boo
Caldari
State War Academy
Posted - 2011.06.26 18:36:00 - [17]
 

Seems like your just buying for time again before you finally admit it.

Cailais
Amarr
Nasty Pope Holding Corp
Talocan United
Posted - 2011.06.26 18:36:00 - [18]
 

Originally by: Darik Jita
what you do, not what you say


C.

Grimster
Reikoku
Posted - 2011.06.26 18:36:00 - [19]
 

Still nothing to say then.

Vim
Spiritus Draconis
Posted - 2011.06.26 18:36:00 - [20]
 

And so this hopefully ends.

That so much rabble started over an internal document titled 'Gordon Gekko Edition' that clearly have one guy acting the part of Mr Gordon.



Weaselior
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2011.06.26 18:37:00 - [21]
 

"However, just to prove the point of the Fearless newsletter and give you a further understanding of what it is then there are no and never have been plans to sell "gold ammo" for Aurum."

This sentence is a nightmare, please confirm what it means is "there will not be any 'gold ammo', i.e. non-vanity 'micro' transactions".

Juan Sezole
The Colonial Forces
Posted - 2011.06.26 18:37:00 - [22]
 

NONONONONO

Zulu you did it again.

WE DO NOT WANT MT AT ALL NO ITERATIONS NO DEVELOPMENT

GET THAT THRU YOUR HEAD FFS

Adunh Slavy
Ammatar Trade Syndicate
Posted - 2011.06.26 18:37:00 - [23]
 

Edited by: Adunh Slavy on 26/06/2011 18:50:11
Originally by: CPP Zulu

The result of this meeting should be mutual agreement of how virtual goods and services will evolve in EVE. Other issues may be brought up and we urge you to contact the CSM with your comments and concerns so that they may be addressed at this session.

However, just to prove the point of the Fearless newsletter and give you a further understanding of what it is then there are no and never have been plans to sell "gold ammo" for Aurum. In Fearless people are arguing a point, which doesn't even have to be their view, they are debating an issue. This is another example of how information out of context is no information at all.



It sounds like an answer to The Big Yellow Question. I will assume that "gold ammo" is in quotes to portray it is a term of larger meaning, that being "Pay To Win Micro-Transactions". At this time I am inclined to not give this statement too much trust, the blog itself points out that has been harmed. But I am willing, for the moment, to let it stand. We will be watching, closely.


I do recognize the additional statement of "goods and services". Services could be troubling. What is a service? Is it faction standings? A service could be "not having to grind! buy some standings!" or how about those ship fittings. The word "service" implies function - if there is a functional mechanic in the sandbox to be sold via Micro-transactions, then it breaks the sandbox and is unacceptable.

The Big Yellow Question was touched by this blog, but is not nearly resolved.

Herping yourDerp
Posted - 2011.06.26 18:37:00 - [24]
 

Edited by: Herping yourDerp on 26/06/2011 18:38:26
oh ok
Tl;Dr

CSM will come to iceland and fix game for us

Draahk Chimera
Interstellar eXodus
Posted - 2011.06.26 18:37:00 - [25]
 

Well, he does say "no gold ammo" and I hope and think they will stick to that. Seeing the anger a few brainstorming suggestions caused I think CCP realize that they will kill their game if they implement it.

Dr Prometheus
Caldari
Gears of Construction
Posted - 2011.06.26 18:37:00 - [26]
 

So what to do with the torches and pitchforks i ordered via Aurum? Can i redeem them for PLEX? Or should i keep them stored in my CQ? Laughing

Orkasm
The Remnant Legion.
The Remnant Legion
Posted - 2011.06.26 18:37:00 - [27]
 

It took you 6 hours to release this crock of ****?

Smells Ass
Posted - 2011.06.26 18:37:00 - [28]
 

Edited by: Smells Ass on 26/06/2011 18:39:52
Why didn't you say:

"We are not going to sell any Non-Vanity items in the NEX store" !!!!!!


Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises
Otherworld Empire
Posted - 2011.06.26 18:37:00 - [29]
 

Edited by: Chribba on 26/06/2011 18:42:03

Ok, it's one step in the right direction, I'm glad to see that. And I do agree that communication is of utter most importance and I hope you do push further to improve the communication as well.

As for words cannot express... you could go youtube on our asses? Laughing

But seriously, glad you are taking the time for extra CSM meetups and I hope that there will be good results from those meetings. Keep up the good work and looking forward to what the future brings.

/c

Mashie Saldana
Minmatar
Veto Corp
Posted - 2011.06.26 18:37:00 - [30]
 

Edited by: Mashie Saldana on 26/06/2011 18:43:16
That is a step forward.

I hope that nothing in the NeX store ever will be compared to $1000 jeans again, oh and give us a third ship state. Flying, docked and disembarked.


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