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Tap This
Posted - 2011.06.26 16:51:00 - [1]
 

Hey guys!

I'm currently trying to come up with a fit that dominates small numbers of frigs and/or cruisers. 2 variations:

1. As a force recon, for the cloak and engaging targets of my choice (preferably arazu)
2. open class, preferably something that's somewhat maneuverable (so not a huge BS that takes ages to zip around a system) (preferably gallente or minmatar hull)

Anybody got any experience in this field? - I came up with a few options, but I'm looking for fresh input and I'll comment with my own findings as the thread develops.

Thank you kindly for the help in advance!

ReaperYou
Posted - 2011.06.26 17:02:00 - [2]
 

Ishtar/Dual Rep myrmidon might do well, as long as you can pin them down with scram and web you can tank them and kill them

Patient 2428190
DEGRREE'Fo'FREE Internet Business School
Posted - 2011.06.26 17:26:00 - [3]
 

Due to the targeting delay after uncloaking, you'll have a really hard time using a Force Recon to kill frigates.

Generally, T1 cruisers will neuts + tackle will decimate most AB frigates, with the drone based hulls being the best at it.

Midrahh
Posted - 2011.06.26 17:29:00 - [4]
 

A rupture would work.

Tap This
Posted - 2011.06.26 20:32:00 - [5]
 

Originally by: Midrahh
A rupture would work.


thx for the replies, but rupture is a cruiser itself, so it'll be VERY hard against a few frigs/cruisers at a time... I guess what I'm looking for is a tank that will be close to impossible to break with a few frigs or a few cruisers and weaponry that will tear those frigs and cruisers a new one at the same time...

Like I have a myrm with small blasters, two webs and huge buffer tank, or a myrm with small autocannons and a pretty big shield tank.... Combined with the dronebay filled with Hammerheads and Warriors no frig could really take that...

I'd just like to know if somebody got into that on a deeper level already themselves and has real life experiences to share.

ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors
Posted - 2011.06.26 21:58:00 - [6]
 

Originally by: Tap This
Originally by: Midrahh
A rupture would work.


thx for the replies, but rupture is a cruiser itself, so it'll be VERY hard against a few frigs/cruisers at a time...



Even though the Rupture is itself a cruiser, the shield "variant" of it is not to be taken lightly. It eats frigates for breakfast and has the speed to outrun most larger ships.

Originally by: Tap This

I guess what I'm looking for is a tank that will be close to impossible to break with a few frigs or a few cruisers and weaponry that will tear those frigs and cruisers a new one at the same time...



A Dominix with energy neturalizers (2 large, 4 mediums) in the high slots will make frigates fear you and cruisers pause. One large energy neut effectively nukes the capacitor of a frigate some 24km out in one or two cycles. Cruisers fare no better... especially if they are cap dependent and need to get in close to deal damage.
And if you have good armor compensation skills and fit your Dominix for armor buffer... you have 100k+ ehp they have to chew through. A few frigates will have trouble with that (FYI: "impossible" to break tank is relative and all tanking styles have their pros and cons).

The only downsides with the Dominix are that;
- you are heavily reliant on drones to do your DPS... so you must learn to micromanage (pull in and redeploy) your drones so they don't get killed.
- you are in a battleship... which isn't very mobile. Small ships can avoid you if they wish or call for "heavier" back-up and "pin you down" until they arrive (i.e. they "sacrifice" themselves for the larger "kill").

Marco P
Really Nice And Laidback Corporation
Posted - 2011.06.26 22:16:00 - [7]
 

I realise that it goes against your request for no BSs but how about a Typhoon? Very versatile with fittings - try the "wrong" sized weapons (med ACs?) together with nos/neut in the highs (maybe even a SB), tackle and prop mod in the mids and mixture of things in the lows depending on what you want to do - agility and speed mods with damage mods or a buffer armor tank.

There are plenty of ways to go, which is a nice advantage as your opponent never knows what he is going to face!

Labceh
Posted - 2011.06.26 22:55:00 - [8]
 

Use a nano hurricane. That should do the trick!

Reppyk
The Black Shell
Posted - 2011.06.26 23:33:00 - [9]
 

[Drake, I om nom nom fregs&cruisers]
Damage Control II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Nanofiber Internal Structure II

Y-S8 Hydrocarbon I Afterburners
Warp Scrambler II
Stasis Webifier II
Stasis Webifier II
Invulnerability Field II
Large Shield Extender II

Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Piranha Light Missile
Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Piranha Light Missile
Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Piranha Light Missile
Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Piranha Light Missile
Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Piranha Light Missile
Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Piranha Light Missile
Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Piranha Light Missile
Medium Energy Neutralizer II

Medium Core Defence Field Extender I
Medium Core Defence Field Extender I
Medium Core Defence Field Extender I


Warrior II x5

Bud Johnson
Broski Enterprises
Posted - 2011.06.27 04:33:00 - [10]
 

The vexor works great for this.

[Vexor, i can fly frigates and cruisers]
Damage Control II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I

Warp Disruptor II
10MN MicroWarpdrive II
Stasis Webifier II

Light Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge S
Light Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge S
Light Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge S
Light Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge S
Small Energy Neutralizer II

Medium Trimark Armor Pump I
Medium Trimark Armor Pump I
Medium Trimark Armor Pump I


Hobgoblin II x1
Hammerhead II x2
Warrior II x5
Ogre II x2

VKhaun Vex
Posted - 2011.06.27 04:38:00 - [11]
 

Originally by: Reppyk

[Drake, I om nom nom fregs&cruisers]
Nanofiber Internal Structure II



I don't understand the one Nano. Nothing else on it is geared for a speed fit. Seems like some kind of shield mod would be better. Am I missing some benefit of the Nano?

Batelle
-Mostly Harmless-
Posted - 2011.06.27 05:52:00 - [12]
 

the nano is fine, the problem is the afterburner

VKhaun Vex
Posted - 2011.06.27 06:45:00 - [13]
 

Originally by: Batelle
the nano is fine, the problem is the afterburner


You're saying a nano would help get significantly more out of a MWD pulse, for a ship that large? But not so much an AB.

Reppyk
The Black Shell
Posted - 2011.06.27 06:55:00 - [14]
 

Originally by: VKhaun Vex
I don't understand the one Nano. Nothing else on it is geared for a speed fit. Seems like some kind of shield mod would be better. Am I missing some benefit of the Nano?
You want to catch smaller ships, so you want speed AND agility. A third BCU would be useless ; and a power diagnostic too (you already have too much capacitor, a tank of 100dps+ and 60k+ EHP).

Originally by: Batelle
the nano is fine, the problem is the afterburner
With a MWD half of the fregs (ie : with an ab and a scramble) will run away.


Lugalzagezi666
Posted - 2011.06.27 07:19:00 - [15]
 

Thats why you use disruptor and double webs. At 10.8 he loses scram, but you still have him in doubleweb range and you can mwd. In theory. Best works with skirmish boost.Wink

For op :
1. Depending on number of frigs, force recons will do, but you cant engage 5 frigs with good pilots in single recon and hope to survive. Cloaky loki and proteus when properly pimped could be good for that, but again, good pilots will get you, so be prepared to deagress and jump. For example pair of jags isnt so loltastic as people on forums say when they both have you scrammed, they are orbiting you and poping your drones like crazy...

2. Generally t3s, properly pimped ofc.Cool But if you are not going against that many opponents, try cane, myrmidon or cyclone. Or maybe sleipnir, astarte, eos. Well, gallente and minie battleships are good for that too, especially domi if you changed your mind about needing to zip around system.

TImora Fosty
Warhamsters
Posted - 2011.06.27 08:07:00 - [16]
 

Edited by: TImora Fosty on 27/06/2011 08:10:10
Originally by: Reppyk
[Drake, I om nom nom fregs&cruisers]
Damage Control II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Nanofiber Internal Structure II

Y-S8 Hydrocarbon I Afterburners
Warp Scrambler II
Stasis Webifier II
Stasis Webifier II
Invulnerability Field II
Large Shield Extender II

Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Piranha Light Missile
Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Piranha Light Missile
Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Piranha Light Missile
Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Piranha Light Missile
Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Piranha Light Missile
Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Piranha Light Missile
Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Piranha Light Missile
Medium Energy Neutralizer II

Medium Core Defence Field Extender I
Medium Core Defence Field Extender I
Medium Core Defence Field Extender I


Warrior II x5



[Drake, I om nom nom fregs&cruisers] says: I. Want. Micro. Warp. Drive.


Also, HM drake with presicions eats frigs alive, speed loss don't count since they will outrun you anyway.

DrCyno
Posted - 2011.06.27 12:17:00 - [17]
 

Originally by: Lugalzagezi666
Or maybe sleipnir, astarte, eos. Well, gallente and minie battleships are good for that too, especially domi if you changed your mind about needing to zip around system.


Claymore (or even a Sleipnir) can be really sick against small sized targets (Tracking bonus + 180's + RF titanium sabbot IS sick tracking...), has some nice active tank with spare High for neut / Ganglinks /whtever tbh. Minmatar hull which means good speed & agi (for a BC sized ship).

me 2 isks

Thenoran
Caldari
Tranquility Industries
Posted - 2011.06.27 18:54:00 - [18]
 

Edited by: Thenoran on 27/06/2011 18:55:05
Myrmidon could do this well although with armor rigs it won't be the fastest.
A Cyclone with a mean tank might actually work as well since you'll a lot more EHP to start with and you may have enough active tank to tank any Cruiser.

If you got the ISK, a Nighthawk would do quite well, it has a bonus to whack smaller targets and its missiles don't have tracking issues and it can tank decently enough.

Tech II/Faction Cruisers or Battlecruisers is where you want to be looking.

Zyress
Posted - 2011.06.27 19:31:00 - [19]
 

Edited by: Zyress on 27/06/2011 19:32:09
Originally by: Tap This
Originally by: Midrahh
A rupture would work.


thx for the replies, but rupture is a cruiser itself, so it'll be VERY hard against a few frigs/cruisers at a time... I guess what I'm looking for is a tank that will be close to impossible to break with a few frigs or a few cruisers and weaponry that will tear those frigs and cruisers a new one at the same time...

Like I have a myrm with small blasters, two webs and huge buffer tank, or a myrm with small autocannons and a pretty big shield tank.... Combined with the dronebay filled with Hammerheads and Warriors no frig could really take that...

I'd just like to know if somebody got into that on a deeper level already themselves and has real life experiences to share.


Maybe an Assault Missile Drake with a medium Nuet?

Thomas Orca
Gallente
Posted - 2011.06.27 21:12:00 - [20]
 

Edited by: Thomas Orca on 27/06/2011 21:12:27
Never actually flown one, but I hear that a double rep myrm with 2 or 3 webs works well.


 

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