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Jade Constantine
Gallente
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
Posted - 2011.06.26 14:34:00 - [31]
 

Originally by: cuoredipietra famedoro
There is *nothing going utterly wrong* with the game.

A tiny fraction of the actual playerbase, upset by an add-on the do not like, is spamming the forum with alarming news and writing reviews on thirdy part sites.

This spreads panic and create a bad PR for an excellent game and shouldnt be allowed.

> EVE's EULA, paragraph 7.1 states:
"You may not take any action that imposes an unreasonable or disproportionately large load on the System."

Thus: all protesters in Jita and other sistems should receive at least a reprimand for their actions

To be even more precise:
> EVE FORUM'S rules state:

a) "Ranting is prohibited"
b) "Personal attacks are prohibited"
c) "Trolling is prohibited."

Thus all evident rants, trolls and such should receive at least a reprimand for their actions.

Guys, let's be honest, it has become very difficult to effectively use the forums or play the game in business hubs becouse of a tiny percentage of the playerbase is so angry that does not leave the other play.

discuss.




If the percentage was that "tiny" why would it have an impact on your use of these facilities? But seriously - what exactly did you use General Discussion for anyway that you can't use it for now?

For what its worth I do agree that people shouldn't be making personal attacks or flaming one another - but there is a huge volume of posting going on and tempers are raised - its actually reflecting quite well on the CCP community manager and moderator team that they haven't overreacted and tried an oppressive stance that stifled the community voice.

As for the Jita / Amarr / wherever protests ... this is a sandbox game - its why we play it. We trust CCP to provide a single shard environment to play out our spaceship fantasies and scheming inside. The moment you try to forcibly shut-down a player led protest like this with gm tools / overt intervention you are telling the players its not their world after all and going down the route of water-cannons, riot police and firing live rounds into the bodies of the demonstrators (okay thats over dramatic) but lets just say that if CCP started handing out bans to people for protesting in Jita that would be the death knell for the kind of emergent gameplay thats been paying their salaries and share bonus schemes for the last eight years and nobody is that stupid.




Monstress
Posted - 2011.06.26 14:34:00 - [32]
 

I approve of this complaint. If your momentary dissatisfaction is the sacrifice to be made for the long term benefit of EVE, so be it. Not gonna let this game go down the ****ter without a fight.

Ayame Yubari
Posted - 2011.06.26 14:35:00 - [33]
 

Edited by: Ayame Yubari on 26/06/2011 14:36:24
Nothing going wrong with this game? fast forward to 2:30 and learn:

http://www.eve-radio.com/news-compendium/eve-radio/1074-dissecting-ccp-a-funkybacon-talk-special

Or here's the direct link: http://primalroar.net/er/funkybacon20110624.mp3

Tres Farmer
Gallente Federation Intelligence Service
Posted - 2011.06.26 14:35:00 - [34]
 

Edited by: Tres Farmer on 26/06/2011 14:37:43
HTFU?

Laughing

Can't stand a little bit lag.
Don't go to Jita (or any other hub) on Sundays.. as I was a little grashoper we learnt that at school. Welcome to my time noob Razz

Demon Flames
Posted - 2011.06.26 14:38:00 - [35]
 

What does EvE still have of the Oh my God factor ??

Everything in EvE is Predictable or made to be so, no suspense , no amazing gameplay nothing uterly decent to make us pay what already is an expensive subscription much more premium items !

Tell me , What is currently working in EvE worthwhile exploring or trying ? Everything is either repetitive or predictable to the point we now whats up ahead.

CCP you have ruined your game years on end for not listening to your player base !

Your corporate decisions have ruined EvE Online.

Nothing is new in EvE its sooo predictable and so boring.

Bye !

Guys just leave,play another MMO.



cuoredipietra famedoro
Posted - 2011.06.26 14:41:00 - [36]
 

>>> "If your momentary dissatisfaction is the sacrifice to be made for the long term benefit of EVE" --> I understand your point but i cannot agree to the abuse of ingame mechanics as a way of protest.

>>> "Nothing is new in EvE its sooo predictable and so boring. Bye ! Guys just leave,play another MMO." --> I do not understand your answer. If someone wants to leave, why has he/she to post? This is extremely contradictory to the point it might be considered a troll posting if there were proper moderation to the forum.

Elienore
Posted - 2011.06.26 14:41:00 - [37]
 

Originally by: Jade Constantine
Originally by: cuoredipietra famedoro
There is *nothing going utterly wrong* with the game.

A tiny fraction of the actual playerbase, upset by an add-on the do not like, is spamming the forum with alarming news and writing reviews on thirdy part sites.

This spreads panic and create a bad PR for an excellent game and shouldnt be allowed.

> EVE's EULA, paragraph 7.1 states:
"You may not take any action that imposes an unreasonable or disproportionately large load on the System."

Thus: all protesters in Jita and other sistems should receive at least a reprimand for their actions

To be even more precise:
> EVE FORUM'S rules state:

a) "Ranting is prohibited"
b) "Personal attacks are prohibited"
c) "Trolling is prohibited."

Thus all evident rants, trolls and such should receive at least a reprimand for their actions.

Guys, let's be honest, it has become very difficult to effectively use the forums or play the game in business hubs becouse of a tiny percentage of the playerbase is so angry that does not leave the other play.

discuss.




If the percentage was that "tiny" why would it have an impact on your use of these facilities? But seriously - what exactly did you use General Discussion for anyway that you can't use it for now?

For what its worth I do agree that people shouldn't be making personal attacks or flaming one another - but there is a huge volume of posting going on and tempers are raised - its actually reflecting quite well on the CCP community manager and moderator team that they haven't overreacted and tried an oppressive stance that stifled the community voice.

As for the Jita / Amarr / wherever protests ... this is a sandbox game - its why we play it. We trust CCP to provide a single shard environment to play out our spaceship fantasies and scheming inside. The moment you try to forcibly shut-down a player led protest like this with gm tools / overt intervention you are telling the players its not their world after all and going down the route of water-cannons, riot police and firing live rounds into the bodies of the demonstrators (okay thats over dramatic) but lets just say that if CCP started handing out bans to people for protesting in Jita that would be the death knell for the kind of emergent gameplay thats been paying their salaries and share bonus schemes for the last eight years and nobody is that stupid.



Pretty much right. However, if said protest have a stated goal of crashing a node, then it's kinda a no-go. Again though, a fella I talked with said the protest was more demonstrative at the start and then went down to rioting later on (where he then left), so yeah... gonna be a tough one if CCP starts banning people. Hard to differentiate some fella who's protesting and an idiot who's trying to shut down a node (nice, sounds like I just said CCP shouldn't ban people) :l

Evet Morrel
Gallente
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
Posted - 2011.06.26 14:42:00 - [38]
 

Edited by: Evet Morrel on 26/06/2011 16:02:30
Well OP for a number of reasons,

1. how would they differentiate between the legitimate Jita visitors and the protestors? the loss of revenue projections in the business plan may cause investors to panic,
2. because they would like to transition smoothy between the indy game we love and the cash cow their shareholders are driving them to create,
3. because perception inordinately effects share price,
4. because the situation is solvable and consumer action such as this is often effective, even after tremendous loss of trust,
etc. etc

Portmanteau
Gallente
CTRL-Q
Posted - 2011.06.26 14:42:00 - [39]
 

Originally by: cuoredipietra famedoro
There is *nothing going utterly wrong* with the game.

A tiny fraction of the actual playerbase, upset by an add-on the do not like, is spamming the forum with alarming news and writing reviews on thirdy part sites.

This spreads panic and create a bad PR for an excellent game and shouldnt be allowed.

> EVE's EULA, paragraph 7.1 states:
"You may not take any action that imposes an unreasonable or disproportionately large load on the System."

Thus: all protesters in Jita and other sistems should receive at least a reprimand for their actions

To be even more precise:
> EVE FORUM'S rules state:

a) "Ranting is prohibited"
b) "Personal attacks are prohibited"
c) "Trolling is prohibited."

Thus all evident rants, trolls and such should receive at least a reprimand for their actions.

Guys, let's be honest, it has become very difficult to effectively use the forums or play the game in business hubs becouse of a tiny percentage of the playerbase is so angry that does not leave the other play.

discuss.




reported for "ranting"

Alexis Sachs
Posted - 2011.06.26 14:43:00 - [40]
 

Who is protesting? We're having a disco party in jita is all. Really - it's a fun time, lots of awesome colors!

leth ghost
Posted - 2011.06.26 14:43:00 - [41]
 

stick your BANSTICK up your BACKEYE

Maverick2011
Caldari
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Posted - 2011.06.26 14:44:00 - [42]
 

Reported OP for Ranting.

Koronakesh
Amarr
Seekers of a Silent Paradise
Posted - 2011.06.26 14:45:00 - [43]
 

Originally by: cuoredipietra famedoro
Those who protest, ingame and in forums should receive the banstick
Please visit your user settings to re-enable images.

cuoredipietra famedoro
Posted - 2011.06.26 14:48:00 - [44]
 

Originally by: Evet Morrel
Well OP for a number of reasons,

1. how would they differentiate between the legitimate Jita visitors and the protestors? the banded players could sue, and surely leave the game and the loss of revenue projections in the business plan may cause investors to panic,
2. because they would like to transition smoothy between the indy game we love and the cash cow their shareholders are driving them to create,
3. because perception inordinately effects share price,
4. because the situation is solvable and consumer action such as this is often effective, even after tremendous loss of trust,
etc. etc



You have some good points Evet. Let me share my opinions on those:

1. It is dificult to differentiate and it requires case by case discretion, but it could be done carefully, hit a few to educate others.

2. There is nothing really wrong for a private company to aim to increased profit. I agree it might alienate part of the playerbase but the company could thrive and profit if it manages to create a new larger playerbase.

3. This is true, but there are a lot of ways to accomplish this without clogging nodes and flooding game forums.

4. Again this is true, i do not discuss the reasons, i discuss the methods.

(oh and noticed someone wants to report me for ranting... he is very welcome to do so, and let's forum moderators decide wether am I ranting or trying to openly discuss a difficult issue).

Ender sup
Posted - 2011.06.26 14:50:00 - [45]
 

Originally by: cuoredipietra famedoro
> EVE's EULA, paragraph 7.1 states:
"You may not take any action that imposes an unreasonable or disproportionately large load on the System."



Never been in 0.0 eh huggybear? Get the **** out.

Minsc
Gallente
Alpha Empire
Posted - 2011.06.26 14:51:00 - [46]
 

Originally by: Elienore
Originally by: Jade Constantine
Originally by: cuoredipietra famedoro
There is *nothing going utterly wrong* with the game.

A tiny fraction of the actual playerbase, upset by an add-on the do not like, is spamming the forum with alarming news and writing reviews on thirdy part sites.

This spreads panic and create a bad PR for an excellent game and shouldnt be allowed.

> EVE's EULA, paragraph 7.1 states:
"You may not take any action that imposes an unreasonable or disproportionately large load on the System."

Thus: all protesters in Jita and other sistems should receive at least a reprimand for their actions

To be even more precise:
> EVE FORUM'S rules state:

a) "Ranting is prohibited"
b) "Personal attacks are prohibited"
c) "Trolling is prohibited."

Thus all evident rants, trolls and such should receive at least a reprimand for their actions.

Guys, let's be honest, it has become very difficult to effectively use the forums or play the game in business hubs becouse of a tiny percentage of the playerbase is so angry that does not leave the other play.

discuss.




If the percentage was that "tiny" why would it have an impact on your use of these facilities? But seriously - what exactly did you use General Discussion for anyway that you can't use it for now?

For what its worth I do agree that people shouldn't be making personal attacks or flaming one another - but there is a huge volume of posting going on and tempers are raised - its actually reflecting quite well on the CCP community manager and moderator team that they haven't overreacted and tried an oppressive stance that stifled the community voice.

As for the Jita / Amarr / wherever protests ... this is a sandbox game - its why we play it. We trust CCP to provide a single shard environment to play out our spaceship fantasies and scheming inside. The moment you try to forcibly shut-down a player led protest like this with gm tools / overt intervention you are telling the players its not their world after all and going down the route of water-cannons, riot police and firing live rounds into the bodies of the demonstrators (okay thats over dramatic) but lets just say that if CCP started handing out bans to people for protesting in Jita that would be the death knell for the kind of emergent gameplay thats been paying their salaries and share bonus schemes for the last eight years and nobody is that stupid.



Pretty much right. However, if said protest have a stated goal of crashing a node, then it's kinda a no-go. Again though, a fella I talked with said the protest was more demonstrative at the start and then went down to rioting later on (where he then left), so yeah... gonna be a tough one if CCP starts banning people. Hard to differentiate some fella who's protesting and an idiot who's trying to shut down a node (nice, sounds like I just said CCP shouldn't ban people) :l


The protest never had a goal to crash the node, just disrupt trade traffic in the hubs which is a valid ingame action. People mostly started shooting stuff cause they were bored and it looks cool. CCP capped the system early on just in case but I'm sure they are getting a ton of system load data out of it anyways so it may actually end up being a positive in the end.

cuoredipietra famedoro
Posted - 2011.06.26 14:53:00 - [47]
 

Edited by: cuoredipietra famedoro on 26/06/2011 14:56:59
Edited by: cuoredipietra famedoro on 26/06/2011 14:55:50
Edited by: cuoredipietra famedoro on 26/06/2011 14:54:08
Originally by: Ender sup
Originally by: cuoredipietra famedoro
> EVE's EULA, paragraph 7.1 states:
"You may not take any action that imposes an unreasonable or disproportionately large load on the System."



Never been in 0.0 eh huggybear? Get the **** out.


Check my main (aroon thrace) in game and you will discover I have been to 0.0 several times and quite for a long time. Cloud Ring and Venal just to name a couple regions :-)


Also...

>>>"CCP capped the system early on just in case but I'm sure they are getting a ton of system load data out of it anyways so it may actually end up being a positive in the end." --> this might be very true :-) let's hope this is the case

>>> "c) "Trolling is prohibited." --> renspricechecker2... since when educately discussing an issue is considered trolling?

Elienore
Posted - 2011.06.26 14:53:00 - [48]
 

Originally by: Minsc

The protest never had a goal to crash the node, just disrupt trade traffic in the hubs which is a valid ingame action. People mostly started shooting stuff cause they were bored and it looks cool. CCP capped the system early on just in case but I'm sure they are getting a ton of system load data out of it anyways so it may actually end up being a positive in the end.


Well, other than the sensible fella I mentioned, most of my interaction with them protesters have been nutty forum people (and they've been vocal about it, not so much now but earlier...). Funny thing is that the post you quoted made me realize banning protesting people is probably not a good idea :)

RensPriceChecker2
Posted - 2011.06.26 14:54:00 - [49]
 

Originally by: cuoredipietra famedoro

c) "Trolling is prohibited."


LeroD C
Posted - 2011.06.26 14:56:00 - [50]
 

IF thousands of people complaining about the same thing are " a small portion" then go ahead and kick out of the game EVERYONE !!!
Virtually every one in every local, corporation, or alliance chat, is complaining about the same thing.
Are you out of your mind to disregard all these people?

Also, if they complain and down rate your game, isn't that a reason perhaps to listen to them, and isn't in fact our right, to free speech?
Do you really think you will scare the people that most likely will stop playing the game anyway?
They have invested enough time and money in this game to deserve the respect from the "GODS" at CCP.
What respect do you show them when you say basically:
"If you complain, or if you don't like what we do, we'll kick you out!" ?
All people want is
- the assurance that with real money one can not buy "special" items unavailable otherwise.
- the ability to go back to the old hangar view, at least until the CQ becomes useful beyond aesthetics.

I am disappointed.
Sad



Frederick Yassavi
Posted - 2011.06.26 14:56:00 - [51]
 

OP: Are you really so inconvenienced that you'd see many others thrown out for your sake?

Or are you really interested in throwing them out due to a pedantic interest in rules?

I don't get it.

Phenethylamine
Posted - 2011.06.26 14:57:00 - [52]
 

Originally by: cuoredipietra famedoro
Those guys with the guns at Kent State really had the right idea, man.


Sorry if my paraphrasing is a little absurd (I'm not actually sorry, it's supposed to be).

Jason Edwards
Internet Tough Guy
Spreadsheets Online
Posted - 2011.06.26 14:59:00 - [53]
 

What OP doesnt understand. CCP is banning people. They just arent doing it fast enough... they probably only have 1-2 gms doing it. 1 ban per 30 seconds.

So what we need is more GMs to ban people faster. The problem however is that with so many people banned and quitting. CCP will need to be firing a good dozen employees to account for the lower amount of revenue. So oh well.

Misanth
RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE
Posted - 2011.06.26 15:01:00 - [54]
 

Originally by: Zanetia
Originally by: cuoredipietra famedoro
There is *nothing going utterly wrong* with the game.

A tiny fraction of the actual playerbase, upset by an add-on the do not like, is spamming the forum with alarming news and writing reviews on thirdy part sites.

This spreads panic and create a bad PR for an excellent game and shouldnt be allowed.

> EVE's EULA, paragraph 7.1 states:
"You may not take any action that imposes an unreasonable or disproportionately large load on the System."

Thus: all protesters in Jita and other sistems should receive at least a reprimand for their actions

To be even more precise:
> EVE FORUM'S rules state:

a) "Ranting is prohibited"
b) "Personal attacks are prohibited"
c) "Trolling is prohibited."

Thus all evident rants, trolls and such should receive at least a reprimand for their actions.

Guys, let's be honest, it has become very difficult to effectively use the forums or play the game in business hubs becouse of a tiny percentage of the playerbase is so angry that does not leave the other play.

discuss.




Please visit your user settings to re-enable images.

Dograzor
The Black Rabbits
The Gurlstas Associates
Posted - 2011.06.26 15:01:00 - [55]
 

Originally by: cuoredipietra famedoro
There is *nothing going utterly wrong* with the game.

A tiny fraction of the actual playerbase, upset by an add-on the do not like, is spamming the forum with alarming news and writing reviews on thirdy part sites.

Thus all evident rants, trolls and such should receive at least a reprimand for their actions.




With the threadnaught having over 10.000 posts and almost over 1 million views, what minority did you want to ban again?


cuoredipietra famedoro
Posted - 2011.06.26 15:01:00 - [56]
 

Originally by: Frederick Yassavi
OP: Are you really so inconvenienced that you'd see many others thrown out for your sake?

Or are you really interested in throwing them out due to a pedantic interest in rules?

I don't get it.


> I do not want others thrown out for my sake.
> I am not interested into pedantic following of rules.

My point is that a tiny percentage of the playerbase is reportedly abusing of ingame mechanics making Jita and other nodes clogged.

My other point is that eccessive cheast beating has monopolized several parts of the forums, not to mention some ingame channels.

I just point out the community wants to be vocal about an issue and parts of the community abuse the situation.


Gamingloser1
Posted - 2011.06.26 15:03:00 - [57]
 

Originally by: cuoredipietra famedoro
There is *nothing going utterly wrong* with the game.

A tiny fraction of the actual playerbase, upset by an add-on the do not like, is spamming the forum with alarming news and writing reviews on thirdy part sites.

This spreads panic and create a bad PR for an excellent game and shouldnt be allowed.

> EVE's EULA, paragraph 7.1 states:
"You may not take any action that imposes an unreasonable or disproportionately large load on the System."

Thus: all protesters in Jita and other sistems should receive at least a reprimand for their actions

Guys, let's be honest, it has become very difficult to effectively use the forums or play the game in business hubs becouse of a tiny percentage of the playerbase is so angry that does not leave the other play.

discuss.




By your logic:

All SC pilots should be banned.

Anyone fighting a corp war in a trade hub should be banned. For that matter.....any IN a trade hub should be banned. Everyone causes strain on the server.

Move along citizen.

Heroldyn Yhamad
Posted - 2011.06.26 15:04:00 - [58]
 

If we are a minority why not have ccp set up a vote on the login screen:

[ ] ban curordiwhatever
[ ] keep on expanding on microtransactions

Acac Sunflyier
Gallente
Posted - 2011.06.26 15:06:00 - [59]
 

So does the OP get an in game ban for posting in these forums?

XIRUSPHERE
Gallente
Deadly Intent.
Posted - 2011.06.26 15:07:00 - [60]
 

Because your gaming addiction is so much more important than a company telling its consumers to choke on a fat one. These actions aren't stopping anytime soon


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