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Quidgo Amarr
Posted - 2011.06.26 04:34:00 - [1]
 


Do you mind not breaking my game I enjoy playing every day because of rumors?

I would prefer if you all calm the fudge down and see if this pay to win thing is actually going to be used in eve before crying everywhere and chucking fits.
I am not against what you seem to be trying to do, but you are doing it over something that doesn't exist yet.

Until pay to win is implemented, go elsewhere or play the game as usual.

K thanks~

Lisandra Riraille
Gallente
Federal Defence Union
Posted - 2011.06.26 04:37:00 - [2]
 

By the time it is implemented it will be too difficult to reverse. We have to pro-actively let CCP that we will not stand for p2w gameplay.

Monstress
Posted - 2011.06.26 04:37:00 - [3]
 

Edited by: Monstress on 26/06/2011 04:37:40
Originally by: Quidgo Amarr
I am not against what you seem to be trying to do, but you are doing it over something that doesn't exist yet.

I wouldn't even be too sure about that.

Originally by: Quidgo Amarr
Until pay to win is implemented, go elsewhere or play the game as usual.

Too late by then it'll be ninja'd in.

The time to say NO is now, not later.

Quidgo Amarr
Posted - 2011.06.26 04:39:00 - [4]
 

Originally by: Lisandra Riraille
By the time it is implemented it will be too difficult to reverse. We have to pro-actively let CCP that we will not stand for p2w gameplay.


ok. But how about you group together and go visit them on a field trip or something and protest irl so they can see and hear you, and so that you are away from what I find fun and not ruining it for me and others

5nake pliskan
Caldari
Posted - 2011.06.26 04:39:00 - [5]
 

Originally by: Quidgo Amarr

Do you mind not breaking my game I enjoy playing every day because of rumors?

I would prefer if you all calm the fudge down and see if this pay to win thing is actually going to be used in eve before crying everywhere and chucking fits.
I am not against what you seem to be trying to do, but you are doing it over something that doesn't exist yet.

Until pay to win is implemented, go elsewhere or play the game as usual.

K thanks~


much easier for everyone to just end p2w BEFORE it starts.
I don't want to wait for the items to appear on the shelves first and CCP brass have already let the cat out of the bag that forum meltdowns are their best indicator of when they really f*** up in the players eyes.

then again who knows, it was said during the AT and we all know what a shoddy fail fiasco that turned into in the last act

Kahldor
Posted - 2011.06.26 04:42:00 - [6]
 

Originally by: Quidgo Amarr


I would prefer if you all calm the fudge down and see if this pay to win thing is actually going to be used in eve before crying everywhere and chucking fits.
I am not against what you seem to be trying to do, but you are doing it over something that doesn't exist yet.

Until pay to win is implemented, go elsewhere or play the game as usual.

K thanks~


If we don't cry about it it's going to be implemented. Go read some threads before you start whining.

Quidgo Amarr
Posted - 2011.06.26 04:43:00 - [7]
 

Originally by: 5nake pliskan


much easier for everyone to just end p2w BEFORE it starts.
I don't want to wait for the items to appear on the shelves first and CCP brass have already let the cat out of the bag that forum meltdowns are their best indicator of when they really f*** up in the players eyes.



Ok I see what you mean. But I think it would be more productive to keep the discussions etc, on the forums and directed toward ccp themselves. I am saying I dont want people wrecking the actual game by causing server shutdowns and such. You will only make CCP frustrated and have more to do other than respond to customers when they have to fix the game some people are trying to mess up.


Barkaial Starfinder
Minmatar
The Kairos Syndicate
Transmission Lost
Posted - 2011.06.26 04:45:00 - [8]
 


flank steak
Caldari
Super Batungwaa Ninja Warriors
0ccupational Hazzard
Posted - 2011.06.26 04:45:00 - [9]
 

shut up Navi

Quidgo Amarr
Posted - 2011.06.26 04:46:00 - [10]
 

Originally by: Kahldor


If we don't cry about it it's going to be implemented. Go read some threads before you start whining.


Find me proof it WILL definitely be implemented, then I will care. I have been reading the forums for 3 days straight now to figure out what the hell is going on, but I have only seen those leaked docs about ideas on the topic. note : ideas

Pai Nax
Posted - 2011.06.26 04:47:00 - [11]
 

The CEO of CCP does not fix the server. He has people to do that... He has plenty of time to respond to this disaster... which he has nto one yet.

ALLYOURMONEY BELONGTOUS
Posted - 2011.06.26 04:48:00 - [12]
 


5nake pliskan
Caldari
Posted - 2011.06.26 04:50:00 - [13]
 

Originally by: Quidgo Amarr
Originally by: Kahldor


If we don't cry about it it's going to be implemented. Go read some threads before you start whining.


Find me proof it WILL definitely be implemented, then I will care. I have been reading the forums for 3 days straight now to figure out what the hell is going on, but I have only seen those leaked docs about ideas on the topic. note : ideas


and in those 3 days CCP has responded to everything but the question of p2w, actually they have totally evaded that one. After so many years on the planet, you get a sense of when someone is not telling you something that they should be

Jimmy De'Souza
Posted - 2011.06.26 04:51:00 - [14]
 

Originally by: Quidgo Amarr
ok. But how about you group together and go visit them on a field trip or something and protest irl so they can see and hear you, and so that you are away from what I find fun and not ruining it for me and others


Why do that when the approach being tried now has worked in the past, and will hopefully work now.

Kahldor
Posted - 2011.06.26 04:56:00 - [15]
 

Edited by: Kahldor on 26/06/2011 04:57:40
Originally by: Quidgo Amarr
Originally by: Kahldor


If we don't cry about it it's going to be implemented. Go read some threads before you start whining.


Find me proof it WILL definitely be implemented, then I will care. I have been reading the forums for 3 days straight now to figure out what the hell is going on, but I have only seen those leaked docs about ideas on the topic. note : ideas


Clothes can't be destroyed...ships and mods can. After some time people will have bought all the clothes and/or have no desire to keep buying new ones. It makes sense pay-2-win will be implemented since exclusive "gold" ships that are destroyed will be replaced. And if a price of a monocle is any indication I imagine ships will be at least $200.

Not to mention the lack of and total avoidance of CCP regarding pay-2-win implies their answer.

Troy LS
Posted - 2011.06.26 04:56:00 - [16]
 

I suspect that some of the players are trying to force the issue or rather to try to get answers to their questions. Really, there is only one question and CCP has had the opportunity to answer it on two separate occassions.

If the answer is 'yes, CCP does intend to bring strategic MT to EVE' they will lose customers.

If the answer is 'no, CCP does not intend to bring strategic MT to EVE' they have nothing to worry about.

If the answer is 'no' but they later go back on their word, they'll lose more customers (lying to customers is bad).

There is only one answer to the question that can halt the exodus. Since they have failed to provide that answer, the presumption is that CCP is trying to avoid for as long as possible the two situations that will alienate its customers.


Kahldor
Posted - 2011.06.26 05:00:00 - [17]
 

Originally by: Troy LS
I suspect that some of the players are trying to force the issue or rather to try to get answers to their questions. Really, there is only one question and CCP has had the opportunity to answer it on two separate occassions.

If the answer is 'yes, CCP does intend to bring strategic MT to EVE' they will lose customers.

If the answer is 'no, CCP does not intend to bring strategic MT to EVE' they have nothing to worry about.

If the answer is 'no' but they later go back on their word, they'll lose more customers (lying to customers is bad).

There is only one answer to the question that can halt the exodus. Since they have failed to provide that answer, the presumption is that CCP is trying to avoid for as long as possible the two situations that will alienate its customers.




Exactly. They will wait until the day before its implemented and then post a dev blog stating "OBTW welcome to the new cash shop!!!!"

Dana Jass
Caldari
Skullduggery Inc
Posted - 2011.06.26 05:01:00 - [18]
 

Originally by: Quidgo Amarr

Do you mind not breaking my game I enjoy playing every day because of rumors?

I would prefer if you all calm the fudge down and see if this pay to win thing is actually going to be used in eve before crying everywhere and chucking fits.
I am not against what you seem to be trying to do, but you are doing it over something that doesn't exist yet.

Until pay to win is implemented, go elsewhere or play the game as usual.

K thanks~


A few other players have already chipped in that 'by then it will be too late' with regards to CCP switching from 'vanity-only' to 'Pay2Win' for its MT systems. Firstly, you're saying that protesting this is premature because there's no evidence this will happen; I would like to contest this by pointing out that there's the leaked Fearless newsletter where various CCP staff discuss what they can charge IRL monies for, plus the purportedly leaked email from Hilmar that more-or-less supports that. Given that CCP have acknowledged the Fearless leak, but have yet to out-and-out state that they're not following through on the Pay2Win ideas, I would say that even suggesting that protesting the possibility is pre-emptive may be overly optimistic.

That aside, put bluntly CCP have demonstrated - especially with recent events - that they don't really care about pre-emptive commentary; most of the current Incarna issues (at least those not relating to surprise leaks) are things that were brought up during testing - CPU/Graphics loads on older PCs with CQ, lack of ship-spinning and other functionality, completely broken Mac clients - and completely ignored in favour of getting the expansion out the door on time, with emergency patches for the most glaring issues, and promises of future 'iterations' to fix the rest. Because of that, much of the playerbase is pretty much left hoping that they can still get to CCP with protests both regarding both current iteration and pre-empting future Pay2Win iterations, in one fell swoop.

At this point, asking people to wait until after the dust has settled simply doesn't look like a successful strategy to prevent Pay2Win, as people anticipate that by the time it's announced it will already have been carved into stone by CCP themselves.

Scott Amatin
Posted - 2011.06.26 05:03:00 - [19]
 

yeah, everyone calm down please and let CCP steam roll you. A VERY good idea? lols.


Quidgo Amarr
Posted - 2011.06.26 05:12:00 - [20]
 

Edited by: Quidgo Amarr on 26/06/2011 05:16:27
Originally by: Dana Jass
Firstly, you're saying that protesting this is premature because there's no evidence this will happen; I would like to contest this by pointing out that there's the leaked Fearless newsletter where various CCP staff discuss what they can charge IRL monies for, plus the purportedly leaked email from Hilmar that more-or-less supports that. Given that CCP have acknowledged the Fearless leak, but have yet to out-and-out state that they're not following through on the Pay2Win ideas, I would say that even suggesting that protesting the possibility is pre-emptive may be overly optimistic.


At this point, asking people to wait until after the dust has settled simply doesn't look like a successful strategy to prevent Pay2Win, as people anticipate that by the time it's announced it will already have been carved into stone by CCP themselves.



I already said I like people who stand up against CCP for wanting to stop MT's or cash shops, just dont balls up my game.
Also a leaked memo is nothing, it's a game company with people probably throwing suggestions left and right all day every day. They probably even have had ideas about clothes dropping in missions like tf2 or something, but you don't hear about it.

Selective reading.

I know it seems like im going back on myself a bit, but I have two views going here:

1) I want to play eve as normal and not have people break the game for me.
2) I care about MT's and hope they aren't put in the game, but I don't care for 'protesting' and would rather just see what happens. However I respect people who are trying to be proactive about it and believe that if they don't stop it now, it will be impossible to stop later if it happens.


 

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