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RougeOperator
Posted - 2011.06.26 05:30:00 - [91]
 

Originally by: Zora
I remember Pann well from the early days, she is one of the nicest community representatives I've seen in any game. And that she's still with the company after all those years says a lot... our community is not the easiest to deal with, if you haven't noticed Rolling Eyes
she was/is a very kind spirit so any accusations directed at her are really misplaced.

I wish you the best Pann and hope that everything will turn out ok. don't worry about the whole mayhem here, we got the damage controls in place even though the ship hull is making squeaking noises Shocked



Nothing is misplace, her thread was a smokescreen and CCP didn't actually mean a thing she posted. And she was the voice for CCP in that instance. She working for CCP knowingly engaged in such a farce of a PR stunt.


Lhanisa Khinan
Amarr
Morning Glory Media
Posted - 2011.06.26 05:39:00 - [92]
 

All I can really say is that I'm really sorry to hear about this, Pann, and both you and your daughter get my best wishes, and I hope everything works out for the best. As well, unlike most people, I think your posts were actually some of the more respectful towards us to come out of CCP in recent times, so I also thank you for that.

It's unfortunate what is going on in and around the EVE world right now, but letting that bleed over into contempt for a child's life is beyond indefensible - it's absolutely disgusting. Please try and keep in mind that people at CCP do exist beyond the CCP tag in their names.

Grom Starscream
Gallente
Whistle While You Warp
Posted - 2011.06.26 05:43:00 - [93]
 

Originally by: Lhanisa Khinan
All I can really say is that I'm really sorry to hear about this, Pann, and both you and your daughter get my best wishes, and I hope everything works out for the best. As well, unlike most people, I think your posts were actually some of the more respectful towards us to come out of CCP in recent times, so I also thank you for that.

It's unfortunate what is going on in and around the EVE world right now, but letting that bleed over into contempt for a child's life is beyond indefensible - it's absolutely disgusting. Please try and keep in mind that people at CCP do exist beyond the CCP tag in their names.


Just remember that all we have to go by is the word of people who are known liars about the reason why CCP Pann stopped posting after the leaked e-mail exposed her posts as outright lies.

If they used this story as a cover and it's not true, it is many times more disgusting than what you are attacking.

Ssakaa
Minmatar
Metropolis Moods
Posted - 2011.06.26 05:45:00 - [94]
 

Originally by: Zirator
Pan I hope your daughter is ok.


Yep. Nothing is as important as the health of a child -best wishes, Pann.

RougeOperator
Posted - 2011.06.26 05:46:00 - [95]
 

Originally by: Grom Starscream
Originally by: Lhanisa Khinan
All I can really say is that I'm really sorry to hear about this, Pann, and both you and your daughter get my best wishes, and I hope everything works out for the best. As well, unlike most people, I think your posts were actually some of the more respectful towards us to come out of CCP in recent times, so I also thank you for that.

It's unfortunate what is going on in and around the EVE world right now, but letting that bleed over into contempt for a child's life is beyond indefensible - it's absolutely disgusting. Please try and keep in mind that people at CCP do exist beyond the CCP tag in their names.


Just remember that all we have to go by is the word of people who are known liars about the reason why CCP Pann stopped posting after the leaked e-mail exposed her posts as outright lies.

If they used this story as a cover and it's not true, it is many times more disgusting than what you are attacking.


Thats how i feel.

If its true i wish the best.

If it is another blatant stunt that is just disgusting on a whole new level for ccp.

Also the way it felt when it was posted in a thread felt like it was supposed to make us feel guilty for being Mad. When in fact CCP was too incompetent to have a back up person, like they should have.

Anything they say now is subject to a certain level of distrust. And rightly so at this point.

Optional Patch
Posted - 2011.06.26 05:47:00 - [96]
 

Only a monster would send anything but best wishes.

Did CCP really need to divulge that level of detail? No, and it's disgusting to use an employee tragedy in this manner.

Kal Aith
Posted - 2011.06.26 05:48:00 - [97]
 

Originally by: ALLYOURMONEY BELONGTOUS
She probably is choking on a Monocle.


kill yourself.

Lhanisa Khinan
Amarr
Morning Glory Media
Posted - 2011.06.26 05:49:00 - [98]
 

Originally by: Grom Starscream
Originally by: Lhanisa Khinan
All I can really say is that I'm really sorry to hear about this, Pann, and both you and your daughter get my best wishes, and I hope everything works out for the best. As well, unlike most people, I think your posts were actually some of the more respectful towards us to come out of CCP in recent times, so I also thank you for that.

It's unfortunate what is going on in and around the EVE world right now, but letting that bleed over into contempt for a child's life is beyond indefensible - it's absolutely disgusting. Please try and keep in mind that people at CCP do exist beyond the CCP tag in their names.


Just remember that all we have to go by is the word of people who are known liars about the reason why CCP Pann stopped posting after the leaked e-mail exposed her posts as outright lies.

If they used this story as a cover and it's not true, it is many times more disgusting than what you are attacking.


And if that hypothetical was true, then CCP would be utterly irredeemable and undeserving of even the trash in the street gutters.

But CCP Pann is the head of PR. She is given a message from on-high and told to deliver that message, whether it contradicts what is actually going on in those closed rooms or not. She was doing her job, the job they pay her for, and the alternative would've been to quit. And unfortunately, there's not much money to be made in unemployment, particularly when you have a kid you have to think about.

Save your outrage for when it's proven CCP lied, if it ever is (and I do not believe it ever will be). Pann stepped out of that thread long, long before the e-mail was ever leaked, and another CCP poster took over. In the meantime, consider that you're advocating contempt for a company that bleeds over into contempt for a child's life.

Atlas Arnst
Minmatar
Posted - 2011.06.26 05:50:00 - [99]
 

Best wishes, hope everything goes okay.

Zora
Gallente
Vector Industries
DONT PANIC.
Posted - 2011.06.26 05:52:00 - [100]
 

Originally by: RougeOperator
Originally by: Zora
I remember Pann well from the early days, she is one of the nicest community representatives I've seen in any game. And that she's still with the company after all those years says a lot... our community is not the easiest to deal with, if you haven't noticed Rolling Eyes
she was/is a very kind spirit so any accusations directed at her are really misplaced.

I wish you the best Pann and hope that everything will turn out ok. don't worry about the whole mayhem here, we got the damage controls in place even though the ship hull is making squeaking noises Shocked



Nothing is misplace, her thread was a smokescreen and CCP didn't actually mean a thing she posted. And she was the voice for CCP in that instance. She working for CCP knowingly engaged in such a farce of a PR stunt.




I can't even understand what you are raging about, but I guess I'm just too much of a calm/rational person. I'll leave you to your pitchforks, move along.

Grom Starscream
Gallente
Whistle While You Warp
Posted - 2011.06.26 05:53:00 - [101]
 

Originally by: Lhanisa Khinan
Originally by: Grom Starscream
Originally by: Lhanisa Khinan
All I can really say is that I'm really sorry to hear about this, Pann, and both you and your daughter get my best wishes, and I hope everything works out for the best. As well, unlike most people, I think your posts were actually some of the more respectful towards us to come out of CCP in recent times, so I also thank you for that.

It's unfortunate what is going on in and around the EVE world right now, but letting that bleed over into contempt for a child's life is beyond indefensible - it's absolutely disgusting. Please try and keep in mind that people at CCP do exist beyond the CCP tag in their names.


Just remember that all we have to go by is the word of people who are known liars about the reason why CCP Pann stopped posting after the leaked e-mail exposed her posts as outright lies.

If they used this story as a cover and it's not true, it is many times more disgusting than what you are attacking.


And if that hypothetical was true, then CCP would be utterly irredeemable and undeserving of even the trash in the street gutters.

But CCP Pann is the head of PR. She is given a message from on-high and told to deliver that message, whether it contradicts what is actually going on in those closed rooms or not. She was doing her job, the job they pay her for, and the alternative would've been to quit. And unfortunately, there's not much money to be made in unemployment, particularly when you have a kid you have to think about.

Save your outrage for when it's proven CCP lied, if it ever is (and I do not believe it ever will be). Pann stepped out of that thread long, long before the e-mail was ever leaked, and another CCP poster took over. In the meantime, consider that you're advocating contempt for a company that bleeds over into contempt for a child's life.


Please read my three previous posts in this thread a bit more carefully. I offered a devil's advocate post and followed it up with a post making it clear that I was simply pointing out the rational thought process for why some might doubt the story. I also offered my well wishes, as someone who spent considerable time in the hospital as a child.

When people are using words like "monster" in this thread, I think it is only fair to point out that all may not be as is claimed. Probably is ... but really nothing would surprise me after the last 72 hours.

Fi1ippo
Gallente
The Scope
Posted - 2011.06.26 05:54:00 - [102]
 

Best wishes to your daughter for a speedy recovery

Optional Patch
Posted - 2011.06.26 05:56:00 - [103]
 

This is utter bull****. The outing of the details of Pann's personal tragedy on the company gaming forum only serves to highlight the deep issues this company has.

Quantessa
Posted - 2011.06.26 05:59:00 - [104]
 

Best wishes.

Lhanisa Khinan
Amarr
Morning Glory Media
Posted - 2011.06.26 06:00:00 - [105]
 

Edited by: Lhanisa Khinan on 26/06/2011 06:00:13
@Grom, to avoid quote towers: I went back and checked and now I see what you meant. However, I disagree that at this juncture a devil's advocate post was even necessary - it is, again, casting doubt on the legitimacy of a very serious situation.

However, you did express best wishes (couched in skepticism, but still). I don't tend to actually read the names beside posts very often at all, so I missed your second post and didn't really connect your first post to you. I don't want to clutter this thread that is about best-wishes for a mother going through hard times with an off-topic back and forth though, so I'll simply say I disagree with the skepticism and leave it at that for now if you will.

Fractal Muse
Posted - 2011.06.26 06:00:00 - [106]
 

Originally by: Grom Starscream

When people are using words like "monster" in this thread, I think it is only fair to point out that all may not be as is claimed. Probably is ... but really nothing would surprise me after the last 72 hours.


I, too, wish to pass on my best regards to CCP Pann and her daughter.

With that out of the way that does not suddenly excuse CCP as a company from ignoring its customer base. Even with CCP Pann being the "head of PR" then the second-in-command should have stepped up. Or, barring that, another senior level manager or given the nature of this beast one of the executives of CCP.

CCP cannot use CCP Pann's emergency as any kind of excuse to avoid the issue. If they try to use that as a foil that would be so ridiculously low, callous, and disingenuous that I'd probably laugh out loud.

If people believed them, I'd probably laugh a bit more.

Grimpak
Gallente
Midnight Elites
Echelon Rising
Posted - 2011.06.26 06:03:00 - [107]
 

CCP ***gotery and RAEG aside, hope your daughter is well, Pann.


this doesn't make things with CCP smoother tho, so we will continue with the RAEG against the machineCCP

Cronus Zontanos
Posted - 2011.06.26 06:06:00 - [108]
 

Edited by: Cronus Zontanos on 26/06/2011 06:06:56
Originally by: Optional Patch
This is utter bull****. The outing of the details of Pann's personal tragedy on the company gaming forum only serves to highlight the deep issues this company has.


Its not like CCP Fallout just went on with a new thread saying hey guess what guys. People were asking questions about where the info she promised for today was, he answered them, probably with pann's permission. So you and all the other people raging about this can take your tinfoil hats off and show a little support. Either that or just GTFO.

Best wishes Pann, hope your daughter is well.

Quacka
Minmatar
Dark Tree Industries
Posted - 2011.06.26 06:07:00 - [109]
 

*Beats CCP Zulu with a shovel*... oh... umm yeah best wishes Pann. Hope everything goes ok. *Chases down Zulu*

Grom Starscream
Gallente
Whistle While You Warp
Posted - 2011.06.26 06:07:00 - [110]
 

Originally by: Lhanisa Khinan
Edited by: Lhanisa Khinan on 26/06/2011 06:00:13
@Grom, to avoid quote towers: I went back and checked and now I see what you meant. However, I disagree that at this juncture a devil's advocate post was even necessary - it is, again, casting doubt on the legitimacy of a very serious situation.

However, you did express best wishes (couched in skepticism, but still). I don't tend to actually read the names beside posts very often at all, so I missed your second post and didn't really connect your first post to you. I don't want to clutter this thread that is about best-wishes for a mother going through hard times with an off-topic back and forth though, so I'll simply say I disagree with the skepticism and leave it at that for now if you will.


Thanks. One final thought, which may change your mind about whether skepticism is warranted or not.

CCP has revealed this young girl's sudden emergency surgery as a way to excuse themselves from responding to the current eve related mess. Even assuming it really happened, what kind of monsters are they that they would use this family's suffering as an excuse to avoid cleaning up their mess?

Meiyang Lee
Gallente
Azteca Transportation Unlimited
Gunboat Diplomacy
Posted - 2011.06.26 06:09:00 - [111]
 

Best wishes to you and your daughter CCP Pann, I hope she makes a speedy recovery.

People, this is one thing nobody in their right mind has a reason to lie about, I think we can safely assume this is real, so please keep things civil for her sake.

Optional Patch
Posted - 2011.06.26 06:10:00 - [112]
 

Originally by: Cronus Zontanos
Edited by: Cronus Zontanos on 26/06/2011 06:06:56
Originally by: Optional Patch
This is utter bull****. The outing of the details of Pann's personal tragedy on the company gaming forum only serves to highlight the deep issues this company has.


Its not like CCP Fallout just went on with a new thread saying hey guess what guys. People were asking questions about where the info she promised for today was, he answered them, probably with pann's permission. So you and all the other people raging about this can take your tinfoil hats off and show a little support. Either that or just GTFO.

Best wishes Pann, hope your daughter is well.


Tinfoil has nothing to do with it. It it grossly inappropriate to divulge that level of detail of member of staff's tragedy. It is, as I stated earlier, complete and utter bull****.

RougeOperator
Posted - 2011.06.26 06:10:00 - [113]
 

Edited by: RougeOperator on 26/06/2011 06:12:01
Originally by: Meiyang Lee
Best wishes to you and your daughter CCP Pann, I hope she makes a speedy recovery.

People, this is one thing nobody in their right mind has a reason to lie about, I think we can safely assume this is real, so please keep things civil for her sake.



I think its pretty clear CCP is not in its right mind at this point.

Originally by: Optional Patch


Tinfoil has nothing to do with it. It it grossly inappropriate to divulge that level of detail of member of staff's tragedy. It is, as I stated earlier, complete and utter bull****.


Then there is this. Something smelled funny about it. You dont give out that kind of info about an employee.

Renan Ruivo
Hipernova
Vera Cruz Alliance
Posted - 2011.06.26 06:11:00 - [114]
 

Originally by: LarpingBard
+1

(CCP Pann is exempt from all rage)


+1

Farelle
Gallente
Core Impulse
Posted - 2011.06.26 06:14:00 - [115]
 

best wishes to you both.

Nikita Alterana
Kumiho's Smile
Posted - 2011.06.26 06:14:00 - [116]
 

ohh, poor honey. I really hope she's okay. Best wishes to CCP Pann and the Pann family.

Grimpak
Gallente
Midnight Elites
Echelon Rising
Posted - 2011.06.26 06:15:00 - [117]
 

Edited by: Grimpak on 26/06/2011 06:18:21
Originally by: RougeOperator
I think its pretty clear CCP is not in its right mind at this point.


atm I can see CCP as a broken household tbh. there is a good chance many of the employees there are actually starting to panic because they saw this coming, or not coming at all.

all this while the upper management is passing around koolaid and showing off their $1000 pants saying "look, I bought this from a japanese designer store so don't worry!".


timing aside tho, Pann was one of the few people that pop her head out in the open and decided to take the fire.

so, truth or not, at least give it benefit of doubt.

Cronus Zontanos
Posted - 2011.06.26 06:15:00 - [118]
 

Ok everyone complaining about this needs to stop. You all want answers about why there was no info today, well you just got an answer. CCP Pann was probably supposed to put out the devblog that would have all the big answers in it, or at least that's what it sounds like. It didn't go up, because of the emergency. You people get a a perfectly reasonable answer AND YOU STILL RAGE.

Atai Pekoe
Posted - 2011.06.26 06:16:00 - [119]
 

this is seriously not funny and nothing to joke about or ****storming in any kinda way.

i wish pann and of course her daughter all the best, god bless them and keep them safe!

RougeOperator
Posted - 2011.06.26 06:18:00 - [120]
 

Originally by: Cronus Zontanos
Ok everyone complaining about this needs to stop. You all want answers about why there was no info today, well you just got an answer. CCP Pann was probably supposed to put out the devblog that would have all the big answers in it, or at least that's what it sounds like. It didn't go up, because of the emergency. You people get a a perfectly reasonable answer AND YOU STILL RAGE.


No it was not reasonable to have NO ONE to take over if she had something come up. Especially while the house is burning to the ground.


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