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Ruze Ahkor'Murkon
Amarr
No Applicable Corporation
Posted - 2011.06.26 00:43:00 - [1]
 

Originally by: Londo Cebb
Edited by: Londo Cebb on 26/06/2011 00:38:55


Almost exactly one year ago.

http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1341909&page=1#7

Originally by: CCP Shadow
Just for clarification, the skillpoints CCP will be giving pilots to make up for the extended downtime in this case is not tied to microtransactions.

Editing to add this: We do not have plans to go microtransaction with EVE.


Originally by: CCP Shadow
No. There are no microtransaction plans, whatsoever. I wrote "in this case" because this extended downtime was an unusual situation. It's not every day we relocate our servers to a new facility.



I sincerely thank Lando Cebb for this, and welcome any other possible links and clickies for the evil which is CCP's verbage!

Evil or Very Mad

Londo Cebb
Official Market Discussions Troll
Posted - 2011.06.26 00:49:00 - [2]
 

Edited by: Londo Cebb on 26/06/2011 00:49:42

Originally by: Ruze Ahkor'Murkon


I sincerely thank Lando Cebb for this, and welcome any other possible links and clickies for the evil which is CCP's verbage!

Evil or Very Mad


Thank you, but I can not take credit for it. It was found by others before me.

Watch, Listen, and make your own decisions.

Remember HB
07

Cassidia Arbosa
Posted - 2011.06.26 00:54:00 - [3]
 

How is this a lie?

One year ago they didn't have plans for Micro Transactions.

Sometime between now and then, plans changed, and now they do.

Sure, I'm mad. But that isn't a "lie".

Mars Theran
Caldari
EVE Rogues
EVE Rogues Alliance
Posted - 2011.06.26 00:55:00 - [4]
 

Maybe he was foreShadowing.Laughing

CCP Shadow has been working on Dust for how long? Saying the opposite of what is true, to impress on people that such a possibility exists without saying it directly - What is that called again? Maybe some of the content writers can help with that one.

Meh.. I'm still unimpressed. All he said was their are no plans. In fact, I have yet to see a single one of these raging tattledrums posts which has any validity in the argument that CCP said it would never happen, or made promises in that regard.

Ruze Ahkor'Murkon
Amarr
No Applicable Corporation
Posted - 2011.06.26 00:55:00 - [5]
 

Originally by: Cassidia Arbosa
How is this a lie?

One year ago they didn't have plans for Micro Transactions.

Sometime between now and then, plans changed, and now they do.

Sure, I'm mad. But that isn't a "lie".


SHHHHHHHHH!!!! Laughing

Londo Cebb
Official Market Discussions Troll
Posted - 2011.06.26 00:58:00 - [6]
 

Originally by: Cassidia Arbosa
How is this a lie?

One year ago they didn't have plans for Micro Transactions.

Sometime between now and then, plans changed, and now they do.

Sure, I'm mad. But that isn't a "lie".


I never said it was a lie. I can not defend what others say.




Nepcrosia
Posted - 2011.06.26 00:58:00 - [7]
 

I hate to play devil's advocate, especially since I am against MT, but "we do not have plans" does not equal "it will never happen"

Ruze Ahkor'Murkon
Amarr
No Applicable Corporation
Posted - 2011.06.26 00:59:00 - [8]
 

Originally by: Londo Cebb
Originally by: Cassidia Arbosa
How is this a lie?

One year ago they didn't have plans for Micro Transactions.

Sometime between now and then, plans changed, and now they do.

Sure, I'm mad. But that isn't a "lie".


I never said it was a lie. I can not defend what others say.






I will chime in, Londo did NOT say it was a lie. I did.

Dana Jass
Caldari
Skullduggery Inc
Posted - 2011.06.26 01:01:00 - [9]
 

Playing devil's advocate on CCP's side for once, while there are some pretty blanket statements there, they were still in the context of MT for skill, and I can easily see CCP Shadow giving a less-specific-than-ideal answer to make a clear statement on their (lack of) plans for direct skill MTing. Plus, like others have said, all Shadow said was that at the time there were no plans, not that no plans would ever be made.

Yeah, I'm p'd off at the current MT plan (Because it's obviously intended to generate CCP profit, and fails at doing so in its current incarnation) and the worrying implications of the leaked Fearless newsletter (for more obvious reasons), but I'm not going to accuse CCP of deliberately misleading us that far back when poorly chosen words seem more likely.

Algathas
Minmatar
The Revenge of Auntie Freeze
Posted - 2011.06.26 01:02:00 - [10]
 

"We do not have plans" is not the same as "We will never". Plans can be changed.

Ranger 1
Amarr
Ranger Corp
Posted - 2011.06.26 01:05:00 - [11]
 

Edited by: Ranger 1 on 26/06/2011 01:05:26
Originally by: Dana Jass
Playing devil's advocate on CCP's side for once, while there are some pretty blanket statements there, they were still in the context of MT for skill, and I can easily see CCP Shadow giving a less-specific-than-ideal answer to make a clear statement on their (lack of) plans for direct skill MTing. Plus, like others have said, all Shadow said was that at the time there were no plans, not that no plans would ever be made.

Yeah, I'm p'd off at the current MT plan (Because it's obviously intended to generate CCP profit, and fails at doing so in its current incarnation) and the worrying implications of the leaked Fearless newsletter (for more obvious reasons), but I'm not going to accuse CCP of deliberately misleading us that far back when poorly chosen words seem more likely.


It's very refreshing to see more rational posts surviving the flood of mindless rage posts. Well done.

Pherick Sjang
Merch Industrial
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2011.06.26 01:09:00 - [12]
 

Originally by: Anonymous CCP Employee
CCP does not take criticism well and often ignores retrospectives. Criticism is considered to be a negative attitude and is severely frowned upon. A lot of effort goes into maintaining a good morale with a lot of internal PR. After all itís cheaper to print posters than pay an average salary to employees.

Several years now CCP has predicated insane subscriber goals that cannot be met. Naturally this is met with scepticism by the employees but it falls on deaf ears. The result is that the company is suffering because we cannot sustain the development of EVE, DUST and WOD. EVE is not creating enough revenue which means that solutions are sought, solutions that CCP was vehemently against a few years ago.


Ruze Ahkor'Murkon
Amarr
No Applicable Corporation
Posted - 2011.06.26 01:14:00 - [13]
 

Originally by: Pherick Sjang
Originally by: Anonymous CCP Employee
CCP does not take criticism well and often ignores retrospectives. Criticism is considered to be a negative attitude and is severely frowned upon. A lot of effort goes into maintaining a good morale with a lot of internal PR. After all itís cheaper to print posters than pay an average salary to employees.

Several years now CCP has predicated insane subscriber goals that cannot be met. Naturally this is met with scepticism by the employees but it falls on deaf ears. The result is that the company is suffering because we cannot sustain the development of EVE, DUST and WOD. EVE is not creating enough revenue which means that solutions are sought, solutions that CCP was vehemently against a few years ago.




Rumor mill: Development for Dust has been paid for by Sony due to it being a PS3 exclusive, with the requirement that it remains an exclusive for at least 18 months. No hard intel, just from an anonymous Sony employee.

Flimer
Posted - 2011.06.26 01:24:00 - [14]
 

there game. play it or quit. stop crying like 2 year old babys

Mi Sing
Caldari
Crusaders Transcendancy
Posted - 2011.06.26 01:27:00 - [15]
 

Sorry, but this is not a lie. He did not say "There will not be MT, ever." Just that there were no plans for it. And, even if he had said that there would never be MT in EVE, he's just an employee. There is only 1 person at CCP that can make a truely binding statement of "No MT in EVE for other than vanity items." And that is Hilmar. He is the only one that can not be overruled by someone higher.

I'm not defending CCP right now. And, I am fairly annoyed at them since Incarna. However, I am willing to give them a chance to explain. We just have to give them a bit of time. Companies have to have a united answer for stuff like this, and getting any group on the same sheet of music does take a bit of time and effort. Man, this feels too much like I agree with CCP, I need to go take a shower to wash off.

Goose99
Posted - 2011.06.26 01:28:00 - [16]
 

Originally by: Cassidia Arbosa
How is this a lie?

One year ago they didn't have plans for Micro Transactions.

Sometime between now and then, plans changed, and now they do.

Sure, I'm mad. But that isn't a "lie".


Yesterday we didn't plan to sell a "win" button for cash, but voila! Here it is.Laughing

Hormus
Posted - 2011.06.26 01:29:00 - [17]
 

come on! now we know why ship paintjobs wheren't implemented all those years. 'no plans for MT', my @@@!

Ruze Ahkor'Murkon
Amarr
No Applicable Corporation
Posted - 2011.06.26 02:14:00 - [18]
 

Originally by: Hormus
come on! now we know why ship paintjobs wheren't implemented all those years. 'no plans for MT', my @@@!


I know, right? All those excuses of 'server load' and 'graphics engine limitations' were just plain pr bull****.

Ruze Ahkor'Murkon
Amarr
No Applicable Corporation
Posted - 2011.06.26 02:56:00 - [19]
 

Originally by: Goose99
Originally by: Cassidia Arbosa
How is this a lie?

One year ago they didn't have plans for Micro Transactions.

Sometime between now and then, plans changed, and now they do.

Sure, I'm mad. But that isn't a "lie".


Yesterday we didn't plan to sell a "win" button for cash, but voila! Here it is.Laughing


Maybe tomorrow it just seems to be a great idea!

I personally would stop playing. But, CCP already knows this and if they made that decision, my loss would be one they were willing to accept. No worries.

Montevius Williams
Gallente
Posted - 2011.06.26 03:50:00 - [20]
 

Originally by: Algathas
"We do not have plans" is not the same as "We will never". Plans can be changed.


^^This

Sheperd Paragon
Posted - 2011.06.26 04:07:00 - [21]
 

+1

bump

ass hole ccp!

Tres Farmer
Gallente Federation Intelligence Service
Posted - 2011.06.26 04:16:00 - [22]
 

got another one for you I've seen somebody posting yesterday..

Essentially it's the leaked mail from ccp hilmar that states:
Quote:
..We have communicated our intention here internally in very wide circles through the Virtual Economy Summit presentation at the GSM, our Fearless newsletter, sprint reviews, email lists and multiple other channels. This should not come as a surprise to anyone..


If you then read ccp zulus devblog:
Quote:
..The opinions and views expressed in Fearless are just that; opinions and views. They are not CCP policy nor are they a reliable source of CCP views as a company. The employees who submitted articles to that newsletter did exactly what they were asked to do, write about theories and opinions from an exaggerated stand. ..


What now?
Are they intentions communicated to your grunts or are they just opinions and views?
One of them is lying right in your face there.

And if you then read the newsletter and especially the part about Eve Online and how they want to introduce Ships+Ammo+Faction Standing for Cash.. or how they removed the client side unlimited fittings, just to reintroduce them on server side with a limit and will sell you more for Cash..

That's just plain wrong.

And to top this all off, the attitude and tone all of this was written in. It's disgusting.

Snake Scofield
Posted - 2011.06.26 04:20:00 - [23]
 

Originally by: Tres Farmer
got another one for you I've seen somebody posting yesterday..

Essentially it's the leaked mail from ccp hilmar that states:
Quote:
..We have communicated our intention here internally in very wide circles through the Virtual Economy Summit presentation at the GSM, our Fearless newsletter, sprint reviews, email lists and multiple other channels. This should not come as a surprise to anyone..


If you then read ccp zulus devblog:
Quote:
..The opinions and views expressed in Fearless are just that; opinions and views. They are not CCP policy nor are they a reliable source of CCP views as a company. The employees who submitted articles to that newsletter did exactly what they were asked to do, write about theories and opinions from an exaggerated stand. ..


What now?
Are they intentions communicated to your grunts or are they just opinions and views?
One of them is lying right in your face there.

And if you then read the newsletter and especially the part about Eve Online and how they want to introduce Ships+Ammo+Faction Standing for Cash.. or how they removed the client side unlimited fittings, just to reintroduce them on server side with a limit and will sell you more for Cash..

That's just plain wrong.

And to top this all off, the attitude and tone all of this was written in. It's disgusting.


Cause there's only ever been one Fearless newsletter...

Tres Farmer
Gallente Federation Intelligence Service
Posted - 2011.06.26 04:23:00 - [24]
 

Originally by: Snake Scofield
Originally by: Tres Farmer
got another one for you I've seen somebody posting yesterday..

Essentially it's the leaked mail from ccp hilmar that states:
Quote:
..We have communicated our intention here internally in very wide circles through the Virtual Economy Summit presentation at the GSM, our Fearless newsletter, sprint reviews, email lists and multiple other channels. This should not come as a surprise to anyone..


If you then read ccp zulus devblog:
Quote:
..The opinions and views expressed in Fearless are just that; opinions and views. They are not CCP policy nor are they a reliable source of CCP views as a company. The employees who submitted articles to that newsletter did exactly what they were asked to do, write about theories and opinions from an exaggerated stand. ..


What now?
Are they intentions communicated to your grunts or are they just opinions and views?
One of them is lying right in your face there.

And if you then read the newsletter and especially the part about Eve Online and how they want to introduce Ships+Ammo+Faction Standing for Cash.. or how they removed the client side unlimited fittings, just to reintroduce them on server side with a limit and will sell you more for Cash..

That's just plain wrong.

And to top this all off, the attitude and tone all of this was written in. It's disgusting.

Cause there's only ever been one Fearless newsletter...

Hey, if you got access to one that would shed light on this, please.. we're waiting.

Also, if CCP had more newsletters and the leaked one would be the 'wrong' one.. why don't they just say so and come out with it?

Or tell us that they will not do game items for MT?

Ha?

Come on, reply.. give me another spin there.

5nake pliskan
Caldari
Posted - 2011.06.26 04:24:00 - [25]
 

so what some of you are saying is that CCP, the same CCP we've known for all these years, went from "no plans whatsoever" to complete implementation on the live servers including changes to the UI code (so much that incarna had to be released in 2 parts)and the supporting backend transaction system.

wow, I wonder why all those bugs from years ago are still unfixed, they must be code devils...

well, imo that is a bit fishy, if there were indeed no plans, the writing must have certainly on the well by then, either that or CCP did a complete 180 the day after that was posted.

I mean comon, were talking about CCP here Rolling Eyes

Ruze Ahkor'Murkon
Amarr
No Applicable Corporation
Posted - 2011.06.26 04:28:00 - [26]
 

Originally by: Tres Farmer
Originally by: Snake Scofield
Originally by: Tres Farmer
got another one for you I've seen somebody posting yesterday..

Essentially it's the leaked mail from ccp hilmar that states:
Quote:
..We have communicated our intention here internally in very wide circles through the Virtual Economy Summit presentation at the GSM, our Fearless newsletter, sprint reviews, email lists and multiple other channels. This should not come as a surprise to anyone..


If you then read ccp zulus devblog:
Quote:
..The opinions and views expressed in Fearless are just that; opinions and views. They are not CCP policy nor are they a reliable source of CCP views as a company. The employees who submitted articles to that newsletter did exactly what they were asked to do, write about theories and opinions from an exaggerated stand. ..


What now?
Are they intentions communicated to your grunts or are they just opinions and views?
One of them is lying right in your face there.

And if you then read the newsletter and especially the part about Eve Online and how they want to introduce Ships+Ammo+Faction Standing for Cash.. or how they removed the client side unlimited fittings, just to reintroduce them on server side with a limit and will sell you more for Cash..

That's just plain wrong.

And to top this all off, the attitude and tone all of this was written in. It's disgusting.

Cause there's only ever been one Fearless newsletter...

Hey, if you got access to one that would shed light on this, please.. we're waiting.

Also, if CCP had more newsletters and the leaked one would be the 'wrong' one.. why don't they just say so and come out with it?

Or tell us that they will not do game items for MT?

Ha?

Come on, reply.. give me another spin there.


This, of course, is why ANY smart company completely removes the rights of all but a single community dev to post or reply or make comment. That one dev should then never responds to forum posts, and only post in dedicated blogs that come out once a month.

It is because of the simple wordplay here, which we are both participating in Tres, that it's NEVER smart to communicate with your playerbase. Without exception, every single time you will be torn apart by those who wish the worst upon you, and really have nothing to lose by taking what they can away from you. Twisted Evil

Ruze Ahkor'Murkon
Amarr
No Applicable Corporation
Posted - 2011.06.26 04:30:00 - [27]
 

Originally by: 5nake pliskan
so what some of you are saying is that CCP, the same CCP we've known for all these years, went from "no plans whatsoever" to complete implementation on the live servers including changes to the UI code (so much that incarna had to be released in 2 parts)and the supporting backend transaction system.

wow, I wonder why all those bugs from years ago are still unfixed, they must be code devils...

well, imo that is a bit fishy, if there were indeed no plans, the writing must have certainly on the well by then, either that or CCP did a complete 180 the day after that was posted.

I mean comon, were talking about CCP here Rolling Eyes


Dude, they wrote the patch notes less then 12 hours from release. Do you really think they planned this all the way out? Laughing

Snake Scofield
Posted - 2011.06.26 04:36:00 - [28]
 

Quote:

Hey, if you got access to one that would shed light on this, please.. we're waiting.

Also, if CCP had more newsletters and the leaked one would be the 'wrong' one.. why don't they just say so and come out with it?

Or tell us that they will not do game items for MT?

Ha?

Come on, reply.. give me another spin there.


Right here, http://www.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&bid=913
Quote:

So this thing is vanity items only? Yes.


They told all of us. Can you show me anywhere that they have changed this stance? I'd love to know if you have anything to support your speculations and theories.

Ha?

Tobiaz
Spacerats
Posted - 2011.06.26 04:37:00 - [29]
 

Bill Clinton didn't lie about having sex either Rolling Eyes

Snake Scofield
Posted - 2011.06.26 04:39:00 - [30]
 

Originally by: Tobiaz
Bill Clinton didn't lie about having sex either Rolling Eyes


He didn't lie about having sexual intercourse. He got a blowjob.


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