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Croniac
Merlin Reach
Posted - 2011.06.26 03:18:00 - [61]
 

Originally by: Vice Admiral Spreadsheet
Uh oh.
The trolls are resorting to personal insults. I guess the OP caught them out.
"We're gonna unsub! Honestly! First, I just want to shoot this monument! And run this mission! And have a quick roam!"

Here's a thought: Why are unsubbers protesting, when they're going to "leave the game forever"?
Because they're cowards and liars, and will resub after a week, if they've even told the truth about unsubbing in the first place! Laughing


Yep.

Adunh Slavy
Ammatar Trade Syndicate
Posted - 2011.06.26 03:22:00 - [62]
 

Are the white knights crying? Aww.

Drone 16
Posted - 2011.06.26 03:25:00 - [63]
 

Originally by: Croniac
Originally by: Black Dranzer
I'm assuming you've never cancelled a subscription before.

You can keep playing until your game time runs out.


I know you CAN continue to play.. But why would you, remember, you hate eve now... So why would you want to stay?


People are mad at a potential change in direction in a game they love and that equals hatred of the game in your mind? Great logic, you 12 or just slow? Rolling Eyes

Ranger 1
Amarr
Ranger Corp
Posted - 2011.06.26 03:32:00 - [64]
 

Originally by: Drone 16
Originally by: Croniac
Originally by: Black Dranzer
I'm assuming you've never cancelled a subscription before.

You can keep playing until your game time runs out.


I know you CAN continue to play.. But why would you, remember, you hate eve now... So why would you want to stay?


People are mad at a potential change in direction in a game they love and that equals hatred of the game in your mind? Great logic, you 12 or just slow? Rolling Eyes


People are mad at a potential change in direction in a game they love and show it by quitting (moronic in itself), and then prove the point by... wait for it... continuing to play.

Great logic indeed.

Bomberlocks
Minmatar
CTRL-Q
Posted - 2011.06.26 03:34:00 - [65]
 

Until then, I can log on. Cba, though.
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Linar Mardolak
Minmatar
Phlogiston Absorption
Posted - 2011.06.26 03:36:00 - [66]
 

Originally by: Croniac
Originally by: Black Dranzer
I'm assuming you've never cancelled a subscription before.

You can keep playing until your game time runs out.


I know you CAN continue to play.. But why would you, remember, you hate eve now... So why would you want to stay?


If anyone posting angrily here or in the protests hated Eve, they'd not be trying to save it. You're the one not trying to save it.

Ehdward
Caldari
Nex Exercitus
Raiden.
Posted - 2011.06.26 03:36:00 - [67]
 

I hate this game!

But I will keep playing religiously until my account runs out...


Question

ALLYOURMONEY BELONGTOUS
Posted - 2011.06.26 03:36:00 - [68]
 


Croniac
Merlin Reach
Posted - 2011.06.26 03:36:00 - [69]
 

Originally by: Drone 16
People are mad at a potential change in direction in a game they love and that equals hatred of the game in your mind? Great logic, you 12 or just slow? Rolling Eyes


People are making personal attacks on employees of a company, they are spamming missiles at indestructible objects, and I have to presume, chasing off potential new players via these forum posts and in game actions...

They claim to be a big majority, but at no time have exceeded 5% of the total online population.

You've already stopped reading, but let me just say, I'm not a fan of the NeX idea either and I agree it's probably failTech, and if CCP wants to pursue that, they probably will sink the game. HOWEVER, screaming, crying, and spamming are an immature approach. Calling people idiots, and various other absurd accusations is also immature, so if that is your approach also, as it clearly is based on your remark, then you have to admit, you look kinda silly calling ME a 12 year old.

I'm not saying don't be upset about something you don't like. I'm saying lets not lie and grandstand about what you're really going to do. Anyone really ****ed enough to leave already did. Anyone who stays on just to make life a headache for others is just a thug interested in causing pain, not looking for solution.

You are trying to change the course of a corporation, and you're getting miffed because they don't spend their day responding to the ridiculous remarks in this forum... Ever occur to any of you that they are in meetings, or coding changes? No, because every little selfish kid wants his cookie right now.

I'm sure they already know you're all ****ed off. Now stop trying to destroy the game yourselves, and give them a minute to consider their next move.

Yeah, I'm the irrational 5 year old because I suggest thinking instead of calling people names... uh huh, sound logic.

Reed Tiburon
Caldari
Future Corps
Sleeper Social Club
Posted - 2011.06.26 03:38:00 - [70]
 

Originally by: Linar Mardolak
Originally by: Croniac
Originally by: Black Dranzer
I'm assuming you've never cancelled a subscription before.

You can keep playing until your game time runs out.


I know you CAN continue to play.. But why would you, remember, you hate eve now... So why would you want to stay?


If anyone posting angrily here or in the protests hated Eve, they'd not be trying to save it. You're the one not trying to save it.


QFT.

Seems the alt troll brigade is out in force.

Croniac
Merlin Reach
Posted - 2011.06.26 06:03:00 - [71]
 

Originally by: ALLYOURMONEY BELONGTOUS
hey op!!!



An expertly crafted argument, thanks for taking the time.

Atakhan
Minmatar
Sterling and Cooper
Posted - 2011.06.26 06:51:00 - [72]
 

Edited by: Atakhan on 26/06/2011 07:06:29
forget it

Aineko Macx
Posted - 2011.06.26 06:54:00 - [73]
 

Originally by: Croniac
Originally by: Black Dranzer
I'm assuming you've never cancelled a subscription before.
You can keep playing until your game time runs out.

I know you CAN continue to play.. But why would you, remember, you hate eve now... So why would you want to stay?

No, we don't hate eve.
We just don't want to give CCP money anymore. After all, $ is the only language they understand.

Korah Arnelle
Posted - 2011.06.26 06:58:00 - [74]
 

Edited by: Korah Arnelle on 26/06/2011 06:59:01
Originally by: Vice Admiral Spreadsheet
Uh oh.
Here's a thought: Why are unsubbers protesting, when they're going to "leave the game forever"?
Because they're devoted fans to a game they use to love, but have lost their love for the management of the game by CCP, and will not resub if Hilmar doesn't HTFU and publicly state game changing MT will never be introduced to the NeX! Laughing


FTFY :3

Kiran
Minmatar
Knights of Azrael
Anti-Social Outcast
Posted - 2011.06.26 06:58:00 - [75]
 

Originally by: Croniac
Todays server graph on the eveonline.com front page is tracking precisely on step with last Saturday pre-Incarna.

If people really were quitting enmasse, as they claim to be on these forums, it seems like that graph would be a impossible.

So while I get that some folks really do have their panties in a wad about this, I think a lot of people posting on this forum are just using this as an opportunity to act like jackasses while they macro mine in Genesis.

If you're really actually not going to quit, stop making the forums so unpleasant. And if you really are going to quit, please take your rage out the door to your new MMO. Because the noise in here is coming from so many directions anyhow, nobody can see anything or possibly read it all.


We are not complaining about Incarna we are complaining about microtransactions, and the fact CCP wants to make you buy ammo, ships, ship mods etc from the NEX store. On top of a monthly subscription fee. And I mean make you buy the items, because they will be suppiour to the ones we can make or find in game.

The NEX store is not just there for vanity items, although at the moment that may look like it is. Please read the forums and the leaked news letter from CCP.

RougeOperator
Posted - 2011.06.26 07:04:00 - [76]
 

Originally by: Kiran
Originally by: Croniac
Todays server graph on the eveonline.com front page is tracking precisely on step with last Saturday pre-Incarna.

If people really were quitting enmasse, as they claim to be on these forums, it seems like that graph would be a impossible.

So while I get that some folks really do have their panties in a wad about this, I think a lot of people posting on this forum are just using this as an opportunity to act like jackasses while they macro mine in Genesis.

If you're really actually not going to quit, stop making the forums so unpleasant. And if you really are going to quit, please take your rage out the door to your new MMO. Because the noise in here is coming from so many directions anyhow, nobody can see anything or possibly read it all.


We are not complaining about Incarna we are complaining about microtransactions, and the fact CCP wants to make you buy ammo, ships, ship mods etc from the NEX store. On top of a monthly subscription fee. And I mean make you buy the items, because they will be suppiour to the ones we can make or find in game.

The NEX store is not just there for vanity items, although at the moment that may look like it is. Please read the forums and the leaked news letter from CCP.



People are compalining about CQ overheating GPUs. And lack of anything substitive or special about the CQs.

People are complaining about microtrans in the context that a leaked memo, comments at fanfest etc show they plan to do more then just vanity items.

Then came the Lies on top of it all. And non response and the big FU email leak.


Its not just one thing its a culmination of many things and the leak of what CCP really things of its players.

Surfin's PlunderBunny
Minmatar
Sebiestor Tribe
Posted - 2011.06.26 07:06:00 - [77]
 

the relationship between CCP and the playerbase are like any relationship... with the feelings and the lies upon lies!!!!

Monstress
Posted - 2011.06.26 07:06:00 - [78]
 

Those who are unsubbed are still logging in to protest. Imagine taking all of those people in all the trade hubs protesting and take them out of the game entirely. The numbers would shift a little, not much though.

Mortania
Minmatar
No Compromise
Gentlemen's Agreement
Posted - 2011.06.26 07:08:00 - [79]
 

I haven't logged in since I cancelled. I've also filed a petition to try and get my multimonth subscription turned into a monthly one so that it cancels out sooner.

Harcosi
Posted - 2011.06.26 07:11:00 - [80]
 

Originally by: Croniac
People are making personal attacks on employees of a company, they are spamming missiles at indestructible objects, and I have to presume, chasing off potential new players via these forum posts and in game actions...


Missiles? Dude, people aren't that stupid. My Domi had LaZ0RZ on them, most other people's ships did too.

Conrad Lionhart
Gallente
Posted - 2011.06.26 07:13:00 - [81]
 

It's obvious they're not quitting. It's just a ploy to get CCP to do what they want, at the expense of everyone else.

Oh'Freddled Gruntbuggly
Posted - 2011.06.26 07:13:00 - [82]
 

Originally by: SNeAkYbRiT
Edited by: SNeAkYbRiT on 25/06/2011 23:18:10
what another one that doesnt understand monthly subs...whos going to explain to this one?


CCP will, with a leaked email saying there wasn't really that many people logged in, and that it's his perception of the graph that is at fault.


Fractal Muse
Posted - 2011.06.26 07:20:00 - [83]
 

Edited by: Fractal Muse on 26/06/2011 07:22:36
Originally by: Croniac

They claim to be a big majority, but at no time have exceeded 5% of the total online population.



I have yet to see anyone who was cancelling claim to be a majority. Let alone a big majority.

I wouldn't even put the number at 5%... yet. But, here's the thing, as it was pointed out after a major and anticipated expansion the numbers online usually jump significantly. This weekend we're not even seeing that.

Further, if in less than a week after the release of an expansion the game has lost 5% (your number) of its subscription base that is horrible. Even at a more reasonable and probably more accurate 2% (maybe 1% maybe 3%) the number is dismal.

This is how all major MMOs that failed started. One bad patch or release then a minority screaming about the game. That minority was ignored or, worse, had responses from the gaming company that showed arrogance, contempt, and / or deceit. The minority continued to grow. Within months, the game would be down to about 10% of it's population high. The game continues.. it doesn't 'die' so much as go into a holding state.

A couple have slowly begun to recover (Warhammer Online, LotR) and some remain mere shadows of what they were and what they could have been.

EVE is facing that situation right now. CCP has it within its power to correct this course by coming clean with the strategic plan for the near and distant future but every day they remain silent or dismissive of their customers they are allowing the "snowball" of discontent to grow.

Today we saw more long time players cancel their accounts. Tomorrow, chances are, we'll see even more as people realize how CCP is treating them. This whole storm of negativity is really just the outcome of a gradual build-up. This was the last thing that put a lot of people over the edge. All of that disillusionment, frustration, sadness, and anxiety about the game spilled over because of how CCP handled not just the expansion but also the 'leaking' of documents.


edit: forgot to delete the rest of the quote! oops. It's late.

Twisted Xistance
The Grief Wave
Posted - 2011.06.26 07:20:00 - [84]
 

Originally by: Croniac
Todays server graph on the eveonline.com front page is tracking precisely on step with last Saturday pre-Incarna.

If people really were quitting enmasse, as they claim to be on these forums, it seems like that graph would be a impossible.

So while I get that some folks really do have their panties in a wad about this, I think a lot of people posting on this forum are just using this as an opportunity to act like jackasses while they macro mine in Genesis.

If you're really actually not going to quit, stop making the forums so unpleasant. And if you really are going to quit, please take your rage out the door to your new MMO. Because the noise in here is coming from so many directions anyhow, nobody can see anything or possibly read it all.




> Please remember that when serious new content comes out in eve many players who have previously cancelled their subs temporarily return to take a look

> Subs take time to expire

> I've been on and off eve since vanilla and though I've seen people threaten to quit about stuff before its never been anything like this, I have never since the dawn of eve when I was playing with wayz seen such an angry response from the player base about anything

> What is happening now is that eve is losing the players that have supported CCP through thick and thin, the ones that make up the numbers when temporary buzzes wear off and the casual players cancel their subs.

Jaxom Asgard
Posted - 2011.06.26 07:22:00 - [85]
 

As to are CCP going to introduce non vanity items into EVE, the answer to that question has already been given, it's YES they are. DUST will be P2W from the outset, there for allowing items to be spawned into the oh so precious sandbox with the power of your wallet. This will not effect EVE? well what about all that POS fuel you were making before a bunch of P2W Merc's turned up & flipped your Planets?

Time to accept it or at least make the best of it, or if you've said you going to leave because it brakes your game, leave! Biomass those Characters and don't come back anywhere ever.....
'But but then I couldn't come back in a week or two, when this all quietens down and everyone's calmed down a bit, and I've realized how addicted to EVE I am, and besides I didn't really have any intention of really quitting!'

But here's the rub, what's going on is FUN! people are enjoying themselves, protesting shooting monuments in Jita, etc sure as hell beats ice mining!

So protest have a bit of fun, and enjoy the game.... but keep it polite and constructive please. name calling, threats, and destruction of property (real world), are not cool & will not further this cause.

Diomedes Calypso
Aetolian Armada
Posted - 2011.06.26 07:23:00 - [86]
 

Originally by: Croniac
Todays server graph on the eveonline.com front page is tracking precisely on step with last Saturday pre-Incarna.

If people really were quitting enmasse, as they claim to be on these forums, it seems like that graph would be a impossible.

So while I get that some folks really do have their panties in a wad about this, I think a lot of people posting on this forum are just using this as an opportunity to act like jackasses while they macro mine in Genesis.

If you're really actually not going to quit, stop making the forums so unpleasant. And if you really are going to quit, please take your rage out the door to your new MMO. Because the noise in here is coming from so many directions anyhow, nobody can see anything or possibly read it all.


i left two alts orbitting the monument in ammarr all day long while playing tanks ,, walking the dog, painting some bookshelfs etc..

i think im done though with the protest and will just play other games more for a month till it all sorts out and i decide whehter i can trust them to balance the game for optimum game fun if its coutner to their mt motivations.

Fire Watch
Posted - 2011.06.26 07:25:00 - [87]
 

Why do folks like the OP never think before they post?

Demure Guise
Posted - 2011.06.26 07:25:00 - [88]
 

Edited by: Demure Guise on 26/06/2011 07:31:58
Originally by: Croniac
If people really were quitting enmasse, as they claim to be on these forums, it seems like that graph would be a impossible.

Not to rational people who understand these mystical concepts such as "monthly subscriptions". Have you worked out what you missed? Take your time.

One thing to consider - how important this is I have no idea - but I saw two, maybe three, Trading Hubs blocked by 3 to 5(?) thousand protesting players a couple of days ago, so maybe at this time that's the way they prefer to show they are actively protesting? Who knows what the nest few months will bring - maybe people will quit, maybe not. It depends how long P can do the "Bull**** Whilst Evading The Actual Question" dance.

Rocom
Brotherhood of Heart and Steel
Iron Heart Brotherhood
Posted - 2011.06.26 08:04:00 - [89]
 

Edited by: Rocom on 26/06/2011 08:13:55
Edited by: Rocom on 26/06/2011 08:12:49
At the very least if ur gonna insult thousands of fellow player who are actively trying turn the game away from its destructive path, please understand what's going before u do it.
Also, about that 5% figure u gave us, how much out of the total number of players who play EVE do u think are the vocal minority? Anyone can see that the vast majority of players who've bothered to give their response about recent events are outraged/dissatisfied about the direction CCP is taking with eve. Who's to say that doesnt reflect the silent majority?
Thousands are talking and many many more are listening. Don't think they dont have a vested interest in what we "ragers" have to say too.

EDIT: Also CCP's response to the community is like slapping us in the face and telling us to shut up. They've lied to us and completely disregard what we the playerbase is saying. Some try to rationalize it by saying its business. Believe it or not there are ethics in business as well as the importance of maintaining good publicity. Alienating ur customers is not good business.

Enna Shendara
Posted - 2011.06.26 08:06:00 - [90]
 

Edited by: Enna Shendara on 26/06/2011 08:12:41
Originally by: Croniac
Originally by: Black Dranzer
I'm assuming you've never cancelled a subscription before.

You can keep playing until your game time runs out.


I know you CAN continue to play.. But why would you, remember, you hate eve now... So why would you want to stay?


To spread the word, and to protest. Most of the people who have unsubscribed have done it under protest. They would re-sub in a heartbeat if CCP made the appropriate responses. They don't hate eve, they love it. Thats what this is about. This isn't "This game is no longer what I want, I hate it and am leaving", this is "What the fuck are you doing to my game you horrible cunts, I don't want to see it die like this".

Originally by: Croniac

They claim to be a big majority, but at no time have exceeded 5% of the total online population.



If you were a politician, and 5% of your population was screaming for your blood, would you be worried? I would.

5% is a significant amount. Its 20,000 people. When I started playing, that was as many people as had ever logged on at once. Now, its the average number of players on TQ at any given moment. To have the equivalent of your fully populated server up in arms about a change, that's big.

I've been playing this game since 07. I've seen boot.ini, I've seen the summer of discontent. I've seen the removal of the classic client, and I tell you, I've never seen anything like this. This isn't just mere whining, and if you don't understand that, you are either brand new or have been playing with your eyes closed for years.

This is full blown, full blooded rage. This is a game developer taking a sharp left turn from the direction its only consumerbase wants to go, and I genuinely fear it could be the death of eve.

The scariest thing is, this is what I want. I love eve, but I'd rather see it die in a fiery blaze of rage from the community then let it slowly ooze into an entirely different game, where IRL riches = in game power, and nothing you do matters, ever.


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