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Ras Blumin
A Cross The Universe
Posted - 2005.11.19 04:42:00 - [61]
 

I don't get it tbh.. If it really is necesary to put faction mods on it, it must be a sucky ship ugh

I could get like 3 kitted wolves for the price of one of your harpies.

j0sephine
Caldari
Reikoku
Band of Brothers
Posted - 2005.11.19 05:10:00 - [62]
 

Edited by: j0sephine on 19/11/2005 05:12:18

"I don't get it tbh.. If it really is necesary to put faction mods on it, it must be a sucky ship ugh"

It's more like, if you want to use regular mid-slot geat it leaves you with single slot, and if you're supposed to build shield tank on that one slot... it just won't be very effective. Since gistii booster performs like regular booster one size larger, it makes up for this shortage.

Anyway, a different and relatively cheap Harpy for sh.t and giggles:

4x 125mm rail, small remote repairer (offlined)
afb, disruptor, 2x web
small armour repairer, 200mm plate

nothing special in terms of performance due to obvious reasons, but webbing 'ceptors literally dead can have high enough amusement value to make up for it ;s

Malthros Zenobia
Posted - 2005.11.19 06:04:00 - [63]
 

Edited by: Malthros Zenobia on 19/11/2005 06:17:51
Originally by: Rex Martell
Complete Nooblar question but what is a "Gistii Small Shield Booster"



It's the mack-daddy of all Frigate SBs, and while there's suppose to be an a, b and c type, only the a-type seems to exist (never seen b or c types anywhere). Maybe b/c types are coming out in RMR, or a bug is keeping them from dropping, but the Gistii a-type small SB will make your Harpy ALOT harder to kill.

Ofcourse it'll set you back a good 60mil Isk to get one too.

edit: Also, if you're staying under 10mil the best you're going to get is partial t2 on your ship. Ofcourse if you want to spend 100mil or so, then you can go for the gistii sb/ab, t2 cap charger...etc.

Personally, I feel that if you're willing to go for a good ship, then you should go for good eq on the ship, or you're just hurting yourself.

Kintac
Posted - 2005.11.25 19:27:00 - [64]
 

Well, Id like a setup against Interceptors.

Will those 125mm hit interceptors, when those atr flying with 4000m/s ?

Cade Morrigan
Caldari
Posted - 2005.11.25 19:38:00 - [65]
 

no, that's why you have a webber or two on board as well.

Waxau
Muppet Ninja's
Ninja Unicorns with Huge Horns
Posted - 2006.01.15 08:38:00 - [66]
 

i dunno how to phrase this...but

HOW THE HELL DO YOU FIT A SCAMBLER ON! please someone post a setup which allows 1. a scrambler, and 2. not having a uber-expensive shield booster/afterburner. I can take down cruisers, even thoraxes etc. BUT i need a warp scrambler to stop em from running.


Antic
Posted - 2006.01.15 08:55:00 - [67]
 

for solo PVP 125 mms may be the best. But harpy isnt very good for solo PVP anyways in my opinion as most setups have to make sacrifices to fit a scrambler.

For group PVP harpy with 150mm IIs and AM can be deadly. Great range to stay out of NOS range of bigger ships and able to snipe the shiznits out of inties and frigates.

This with AS skill lvl 5 and sharpshooting lvl 5 of course but you can still do well with these at lvl 4.

Darkdashing
Posted - 2006.01.15 09:04:00 - [68]
 

Edited by: Darkdashing on 15/01/2006 09:04:31
Originally by: Miss Mwah
Hi,

I have set out to make a harpy that will be good for solo pirating. I have myself up some targets i must meet in order to be as effective.

  1. To be able to do over 70 DPS

This will enable to kill anything cruiser size or below with relitive easy.





*improper english, should read: This will enable you to kill anything cruiser-sized or below 'with relative ease'.

General DogsBody
Posted - 2006.01.20 14:59:00 - [69]
 

Originally by: Darkdashing
Edited by: Darkdashing on 15/01/2006 09:04:31
Originally by: Miss Mwah
Hi,

I have set out to make a harpy that will be good for solo pirating. I have myself up some targets i must meet in order to be as effective.

  1. To be able to do over 70 DPS

This will enable to kill anything cruiser size or below with relitive easy.





*improper english, should read: This will enable you to kill anything cruiser-sized or below 'with relative ease'.


Are you serious?

You're actually correcting this post for improper use of the English language? What are you, the grammar police?

Bloody hell, I've seen it all now.

Considering you must have understood the intent of the sentence, it thereby follows that you must have understood what the poster was trying to say, irrespective of the language hic-cups. Therefore, his/her message was conveyed, albeit containing a few minor - and forgivable - errors.

Jeez, dude, lighten up. Rolling Eyes

Shadow Mancer
Interstellar eXodus
BricK sQuAD.
Posted - 2006.01.20 17:33:00 - [70]
 

interesting how people keep mentioning that they can solo kill a cruiser in their AFs, i've tried that b4, i mean yeah it's nice that it has small sig, speed, nice guns RoF but hey ... try this ... a thorax with 1 med nos II, or Rupture with 2 med Nos II, you Harpy's shield boosting abilities is gone not to mention that u won't have cap to fire your nice 150s. But hey if you see me in south regions and kill my stabber, pls post it here and i'll apologize for my silly assumptions.

Cade Morrigan
Caldari
Posted - 2006.01.20 17:48:00 - [71]
 

Harpy orbiting at 18km isn't going to suffer Nos death from a cruiser unless that cruiser is faster than the Harpy, which is certainly possible with some cruiser builds. So yes, of course some cruiser builds will make the AF cry, and some AF builds will make the cruiser cry... paper scissors rock!

Vampire Blade
Caldari
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Posted - 2006.01.20 17:51:00 - [72]
 

I can get 115dps with my Harpy. Guess how.

Nomen Nescio
Posted - 2006.01.20 20:43:00 - [73]
 

Harpy against a cruiser is a joke! All you gisti stuff is just waste of isk.


  • Cruiser with mwd will catch you in a blink of an eye.

  • Once you are webbed, cruiser guns pwn you

  • If no mwd on a cruiser, drones will pwn you.

  • You are "shield tank" but you have 0 resistance on em. What good can you gisti booster do then you get hit by lasers or em missiles or em drones?

  • You are slow and heavy, you can't fit mwd, so practicaly anything can dictate you combat range.

  • Your damage with rails is pathetic. Yes it is. You got that range bonus, which means that you dont have to reload between 10 and 25 km. But the maximum damage you can deal is low. Check taranis or enyo bonuses. And if you max damage is low, then you have to spend more time to drop the target.

  • You have range bonus, but the problem is that against cruisers extra range is working against you because from far away cruiser can track you with med guns which have more damage and default range as your uber bonus range.

  • But you can't afford time, because you are slow, you are "tanking" on med slots which are used for tacling gear and ab, so you dont have much tanking, or you have some tank but can't move or tackle at all. The reason it works sometime is only due to uber effective gisti mod and without it you wont even hold a tech 1 frig damage.



Prosecution rests.

Zephyrlin
Caldari
Infinium Technologies
High Treason Alliance
Posted - 2006.01.20 20:53:00 - [74]
 

Edited by: Zephyrlin on 20/01/2006 20:54:01
Originally by: Nomen Nescio
Harpy against a cruiser is a joke! All you gisti stuff is just waste of isk.


  • Cruiser with mwd will catch you in a blink of an eye.

  • Once you are webbed, cruiser guns pwn you

  • If no mwd on a cruiser, drones will pwn you.

  • You are "shield tank" but you have 0 resistance on em. What good can you gisti booster do then you get hit by lasers or em missiles or em drones?

  • You are slow and heavy, you can't fit mwd, so practicaly anything can dictate you combat range.

  • Your damage with rails is pathetic. Yes it is. You got that range bonus, which means that you dont have to reload between 10 and 25 km. But the maximum damage you can deal is low. Check taranis or enyo bonuses. And if you max damage is low, then you have to spend more time to drop the target.

  • You have range bonus, but the problem is that against cruisers extra range is working against you because from far away cruiser can track you with med guns which have more damage and default range as your uber bonus range.

  • But you can't afford time, because you are slow, you are "tanking" on med slots which are used for tacling gear and ab, so you dont have much tanking, or you have some tank but can't move or tackle at all. The reason it works sometime is only due to uber effective gisti mod and without it you wont even hold a tech 1 frig damage.



Prosecution rests.



[WTS] "Clue" - 100 Billion ISK.



First you assume the cruiser even has an MWD.

Then you assume the cruiser has a web.

Then you correct your MWD assumption.

Then you assume the cruiser HAS drones, HAS drone skills, and HAS drones that are capable of doing more than flying circles around you looking pretty while you pound antimatter into his face.

Then you assume that you indeed have no EM resistance, and that your enemy is hitting you with EM resistance. (Note: Anyone with .5 braincells picks their battles wisely enough to avoid those who they know will do EM damage to them).

You then assume that even without an MWD, you can't outspeed enemies. I'm sure every cruiser goes faster than my 500m/s. Because we all know that cruisers come with ABs and MWD's stock. *rolls eyes*

Somehow you seem to think that beause the Enyo and Taranis can do more damage, the Harpy damage is "pathetic". Is it enough to pop a cruiser? Then it's enough.

Now you assume that if you sit outside Nos and Web range, the cruiser guns can indeed track you doing 500m/s. Go test it out.

Now you assume that you cannot fit any tackling gear at all. Again, go try it. You also assume that a Harpy can't just run into an overconfident and pompous pickle-head such as yourself and laugh as you decide not to run away and putter back to station in your rusty old pod.

The defense laughs at the prosecution.


EDIT: Forgot to mention: Assumption is the mother of all ****ups.

Nomen Nescio
Posted - 2006.01.20 21:54:00 - [75]
 

Quote:

First you assume the cruiser even has an MWD.


More mwd cruisers in the game then gusti mod all together, yet you all assume gusti on harpy and I can't assume mwd on a cruiser. Yet, my point if that IF cruiser have mwd, you lose.

Quote:

Then you assume the cruiser has a web.


Again web is such a STANDARD equipment on a cruiser, that you would expect it unless its a miner fitted. If cruiser has no web in a combat solo fit that its a missile boat or has small guns fitted, both of options pwn your harpy.

Quote:

Then you assume the cruiser HAS drones, HAS drone skills, and HAS drones that are capable of doing more than flying circles around you looking pretty while you pound antimatter into his face.


Few cruiser has no drones. In case of lets say maller you wont do any good anyway because it can tank you 110 raw dps with ease. Again amount of ppl in cruisers with drones and skills is significantly more then even amount of all harpies in the game, so its is safe to assume the drones.

Now with new drone bays cruisers fit med or light drones. Even
meds are going ~2km/s so you wont outrun them. And they can track you good enough and deal a lot of damage since now 5
lights do much more damage then before RMR.

Quote:

Then you assume that you indeed have no EM resistance, and that your enemy is hitting you with EM resistance. (Note: Anyone with .5 braincells picks their battles wisely enough to avoid those who they know will do EM damage to them).


I assume that anything with em damage can be a big trouble for you which can be ANY drone ships (most cruisers) ANY missiles (how about rupture shooting sabertooths from 2 laucnhers) ANY lasers and some projectile ammo. Quite a list dont you think?

Quote:

You then assume that even without an MWD, you can't outspeed enemies. I'm sure every cruiser goes faster than my 500m/s. Because we all know that cruisers come with ABs and MWD's stock. *rolls eyes*


Cruisers with ab can be faster then 500m/s. Cruisers with mwd are at least twice faster. All drones are faster, all missiles are faster. Most tech1 frigs are faster all ceptors are always faster, what you can outrun? BS, BC and tanked cruisers?

Quote:

Somehow you seem to think that beause the Enyo and Taranis can do more damage, the Harpy damage is "pathetic". Is it enough to pop a cruiser? Then it's enough.


110 dps raw. On 35% resists is ~70dps. 1 med rep will cut it in half. 35dps, 10 seconds 350hp damage, 2 minutes you might kill a cruiser. Can you stand all cruiser weaponry for 2 minutes? For instance, taranis with blasters will deal double.

Quote:

Now you assume that if you sit outside Nos and Web range, the cruiser guns can indeed track you doing 500m/s. Go test it out.


So if a cruiser has cruiser guns only, no drones, no missiles and can't move fast you might have enough ammo to kill it :)

Quote:

Now you assume that you cannot fit any tackling gear at all. Again, go try it.


I said you can't both tackle and fully tank on shield.

Quote:

You also assume that a Harpy can't just run into an
overconfident and pompous pickle-head such as yourself and laugh as you decide not to run away and putter back to station in your rusty old pod.


My cruiser are very fast. Use frig weaponry and have web fitted. My thorax goes 1.9km/s, has 10 light drones and even if we start at 40km and you dont warp out, it will put drop you gisti tank faster then you say "TomB".

If we look at "cruisers" we can definitely say that stabbers will own you. Vexors will, Thoraxes will, Mallers will tank you together with an npc spawn, celestis can out ew you like a hauler not to mention drones and missiles. Caracal with assualt launchers will make you warping out in a volley.

What we have left? Barges? You can do barges, sure.

PS
You can buy about 10-15 vexors for the price of gusti booster :) Can you fight in a harpy wihout the gusti booster?


Zephyrlin
Caldari
Infinium Technologies
High Treason Alliance
Posted - 2006.01.20 22:02:00 - [76]
 

Somewhere in all of that, you missed the point by about 500 nautical miles.


IF IF IF IF IF IF IF IF IF IF IF IF IF IF IF IF IF IF IF IF IF IF IF IF IF IF IF IF IF IF IF IF IF IF IF IF


I can sit here and throw down "What if..." all day long. In the end, it all comes down to player skill and setup. Can every cruiser setup "pwn" a Harpy? No. Can a Harpy "pwn" every cruiser setup? No.

Therefor arguing this that and the other is stupid. A Harpy has the capability to kill a cruiser. A cruiser has the capability to kill a Harpy. That's what makes this game tick.

Open your eyes and you'd see this one all-important fact. Hence my comment regarding the cluelessness that some people tend to display.

As for non-gistii Harpy's, yes, they can still kill things. Many people that can afford it, like myself, run Gistii mods though because it does make the Harpy much more powerful. Why not? Am I somehow degraded for doing so? I hardly think so. But I digress, the point I have tried to make failed, so continue onwards with... whatever it is you were doing.

Nomen Nescio
Posted - 2006.01.20 22:14:00 - [77]
 

Any of my IFs will mean end of your harpy.

But you need slow AND no drones AND no missles AND poor tank AND cruiser guns cruiser to kill. And these are very rare :)

But you right, there is no point to argue anymore.

Bren Kasir
Caldari
Space Defence
Posted - 2006.01.20 22:54:00 - [78]
 

1. 4 mids = AB, Scram/Web, EM hard, SB

that looks to me like *gasp* speed, tank and tackle all in one! OK so it lacks the lustre of boost amp or extender or tracking comp but it still does all three jobs.

2. any of your cruiser setups require a MWD AND warp scram to kill a harpy... tanked cruisers can't really manage this unless they armor tank in which case they're sacrificing precious cap recharger slots and thus hurting their tank.

Oh, and the AND AND AND argument was yours I believe.

3. withdrawing from combat is fine... if i'm outclassed by something i run away and get a better setup... that's how it works. only something that can prevent me running can kill me...

4. stop basing your arguments on AND AND AND without looking at both sides... if a cruiser has a scram and a mwd fitted of course it'll win against any frig, it's fitted specifically for the job, and a specialised ship of larger size will generally win (see cruiser-killer BS setups, frig-killer cruiser setups, and shuttle-killer frig setups)...

Look at both sides of the coin before you claim one is guaranteed to be better...

Bren Kasir
Universal Corporation

Zephyrlin
Caldari
Infinium Technologies
High Treason Alliance
Posted - 2006.01.20 22:56:00 - [79]
 

Originally by: Bren Kasir
1. 4 mids = AB, Scram/Web, EM hard, SB

that looks to me like *gasp* speed, tank and tackle all in one! OK so it lacks the lustre of boost amp or extender or tracking comp but it still does all three jobs.

2. any of your cruiser setups require a MWD AND warp scram to kill a harpy... tanked cruisers can't really manage this unless they armor tank in which case they're sacrificing precious cap recharger slots and thus hurting their tank.

Oh, and the AND AND AND argument was yours I believe.

3. withdrawing from combat is fine... if i'm outclassed by something i run away and get a better setup... that's how it works. only something that can prevent me running can kill me...

4. stop basing your arguments on AND AND AND without looking at both sides... if a cruiser has a scram and a mwd fitted of course it'll win against any frig, it's fitted specifically for the job, and a specialised ship of larger size will generally win (see cruiser-killer BS setups, frig-killer cruiser setups, and shuttle-killer frig setups)...

Look at both sides of the coin before you claim one is guaranteed to be better...

Bren Kasir
Universal Corporation


I like you. You must have bought your "Clue" for much less than 1 billion isk.

*grin*

Bren Kasir
Caldari
Space Defence
Posted - 2006.01.20 23:05:00 - [80]
 

Thanks :)

At the end of the day, it's not about what theoretical setup wins most. There is no "I Win!" button, there is merely skill, experience, and enjoyment. If you can't relax enough to have the last the first two are bloody pointless and you should fly something cheaper :)

Bren Kasir

Bronna
Caldari
MDK Industry
UNLeashed Legion
Posted - 2006.01.20 23:30:00 - [81]
 

I soloed a t2 thorax w/drones and mwd in my harpy several days ago, I nearly killed it but I happened to warp off (why did he have to turn off his scrambler??). I managed to mount a 20km disruptor, 4xt2 125s, 1x standard launcher, 1x t2 sb, 1x t2 ab, 1x t2 mag stab, 1x pdu (t2 pdus cost too much lol). How did I manage this setup you may ask? I have advanced Weapon Upgrades skill- it's a miracle worker ;)
Granted I was at 10-20% shield and he was in 75% hull at the time I warped off, it was a very close fight but i'd have won. There's a very good technique one should attempt when facing cruiser guns (provided he doesn't have a nos, hint, hint)in a frig lol- if you don't know, you shouldn't pvp.

Bren Kasir
Caldari
Space Defence
Posted - 2006.01.20 23:38:00 - [82]
 

Love for the 125mm rails... but the 150s look cooler ;)

Nice to hear it does work though, figured it would. Out of interest was it a rail thorax or a blasterax?

Bren Kasir

Cade Morrigan
Caldari
Posted - 2006.01.20 23:41:00 - [83]
 

a (likely) armor tanking thorax at 75% armor is not near death at all.

a shield tanking harpy at 10% shields is in trouble.

I think we was winning ;)

Bren Kasir
Caldari
Space Defence
Posted - 2006.01.20 23:44:00 - [84]
 

Edited by: Bren Kasir on 20/01/2006 23:44:49
Read it properly, he said 75% hull... that to me reads structure not armour...

Any armour tanker in hull is in _serious_ trouble against a harpy, unless he has a damage control fitted....

Edit: Oh, and with a harpy's massive armour resist to kin/therm it would _still_ have a solid tank even without shield, unless the thorax was using explosive drones...

Bren Kasir

Bronna
Caldari
MDK Industry
UNLeashed Legion
Posted - 2006.01.20 23:56:00 - [85]
 

It was structure and I believe the thorax was using blasters...it did mwd to me when it deployed drones. But it's all a matter of skills- you must be higher skilled at using an assault frig than the other player is at using his thorax.

Lily Savage
CryoTech
Posted - 2006.01.21 00:31:00 - [86]
 

Firstly, this thread was way dead - it should have been left that way, because...

Secondly, this thread has the most annoying title ever. Harpate? WTF is that about?

OK, I'm of to strt a thread called Zealooga, or something

Cade Morrigan
Caldari
Posted - 2006.01.21 02:13:00 - [87]
 

Originally by: Bren Kasir
Edited by: Bren Kasir on 20/01/2006 23:44:49
Read it properly, he said 75% hull... that to me reads structure not armour...r

oops! lack of reading comprehension FTL! sorry guys.Embarassed

B Units
Posted - 2006.03.08 22:46:00 - [88]
 

looking for a good pvp setup, any suggestions?

InfernalRage
R A G E
Posted - 2006.03.14 00:23:00 - [89]
 

Originally by: B Units
looking for a good pvp setup, any suggestions?



yeah, read the thread.

Garous
Zeon Industrial
Posted - 2006.03.14 03:19:00 - [90]
 

Personally i find the following works well for both fleet engagements and a bit of solo action. It's a set up that won't cause too many tears if you lose it.

4 125's T2 (antimatter charges)
1 Arby standard launcher (bring selection of missles)

AB T2
Small c5-l shield booster
X5 webbber (It really annoys inties that get in under 10km)
Faint warp prohibitor

2 Mag field stab T2


This is a bit of a tight fit CPU wise (Weapon upgrades lvl 5 needed) but will shred any frig and most standard cruisers. Lock tgt at 20km, warp scramble and start to orbit at 13km open fire at 18km or so. If the tgt approaches let it get to about 9km then web him. If it's an inty keep it at 8km. Just keep firing and use shield booster only when needed. The afterburner should also be used only to attain the 13km orbit then deactivated.

Please feel free to add comments/suggestions to this set up.



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