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Okano Hykeido
Minmatar
No Compromise
Posted - 2011.06.25 19:06:00 - [1]
 

Spending over 15minutes in the captains quarters makes my graphics cards overheat!

Just had to quit the game again and let them cool down. Card 1 on 103degrees and card number 2 on 94 degrees.
Even in a standard resolution of 1920 x 1080! and not my normal resolution of 5760 x 1200.

No other game makes my cards reach anywhere near those temps!

Bad Company 2 in a resolution of 6k it gets no hotter than 80degrees.


Is this normal? I dont think the captains quarters is optimised that well, there is hardly anything going on and its just overheating like crazy....Its lucky i can monitor my temps else i would have two dead 300quid graphics cards....
Is there anyway to disable the captains quarters and go back to the old hangar?

Temuken Radzu
Posted - 2011.06.25 20:05:00 - [2]
 

Edited by: Temuken Radzu on 25/06/2011 20:05:02
weird it happens with the newest graphic cards... i have 8800 GTX and it runs CQ fine in medium to high settings... temp goes not higer than 80 C
30 fps in QC

Loki Vengeance
Posted - 2011.06.25 20:14:00 - [3]
 

The fact that CQ pushes CPUs/GPUs to 100% load is a game optimization problem. I'm sure that CCP will be working to resolve that as much as possible moving forward, but it doesn't help you with your problem today. To disable CQ temporarily, hit ESC and on the Display and Graphics tab, uncheck the checkbox on the right side labeled Load Station Environment. You may need to restart the client for it to take effect.

The fact that your GPU(s) overheat(s) when running at 100% load is a cooling problem. The fact that it hasn't happened on other games is irrelevant. Eve may simply be the only one pushing the GPU(s) to 100% or it may be the only one making extensive use of certain features. In any case, all Eve can possibly do is push your CPU/GPU to 100% load, and no CPU/GPU will overheat at 100% if it's getting proper cooling. They're designed to run at 100% load 24/7/365 without issue so long as they're properly cooled.

Try blowing dust out of the card(s) with a can of compressed air. I usually try to find any opening in the packaging to spray some compressed air into to ensure I'm hitting every surface. Dust can greatly diminish the cooling capabilities of fans and the like by creating a thermal blanket that traps tons of excess heat. Be certain to keep the compressed air can upright at all times or you'll spray the liquid contents. You'll only want to do that while the computer is powered down and the fans are no longer spinning. Ideally, you'd take the graphics card(s) out to clean, but that's not necessity.

Try to ensure your case has plenty of room in front and behind it to allow for good airflow, and make sure the fans inside are pushing air out the back. Generally you don't want to suck air in with fans as that'll draw in more dust.

Loki Vengeance
Posted - 2011.06.25 20:19:00 - [4]
 

Originally by: Temuken Radzu
Edited by: Temuken Radzu on 25/06/2011 20:05:02
weird it happens with the newest graphic cards... i have 8800 GTX and it runs CQ fine in medium to high settings... temp goes not higer than 80 C
30 fps in QC


The GTX 480 is over a year old, but it also has different features than your 8800. It's very possible that making use of some of those features causes unexpected load on the card. That would be a problem for the card manufacturers to resolve; not CCP.

All Eve can do is tell the card to do what the card was designed to do. If that results in overheating, well, something's wrong with the hardware. That could be from dust or other cooling obstructions or it could be a design flaw that can likely be fixed with a driver update.

Okano Hykeido
Minmatar
No Compromise
Posted - 2011.06.25 20:39:00 - [5]
 

Edited by: Okano Hykeido on 25/06/2011 20:44:08
Thanx for the help,

my cards have recently been cleaned out and are dust free.

The GPU usage on both cards never rises about 65%/70% and yet still the temps keep souring above 100degrees.
Maybe it makes it run worse and hotter because i run the game in a window and not full screen?

Just for your information Bad Company 2 with everything turned onto the maximum, a massive 8x Anti Aliasing and HBAO (Horizon Based Ambient Occlusion) on, a resolution of 5760 x 1200 gets my cards usage up to 80 - 90% sometimes higher when there is alot of action going on 95%+

Eve is certainly not the only game to use my cards maximum potential and with the usage no higher than 70% it clearly isnt doing yet the temperature is astronimical.

Thanx for the information i will have to play with it disabled for now and i feel for people because someone out there isnt going to notice this and have there cards killed by it :|

20% usage outside of station, 70% usage whilst in captains quarters but even with the fans on 100% the temperature keeps rising.
Edit: Using latest 275.33WHQL driver, maybe its a driver issue and not eve ? I will test some others....

Nimtra
Posted - 2011.06.25 21:39:00 - [6]
 

Edited by: Nimtra on 25/06/2011 21:43:15
Edited by: Nimtra on 25/06/2011 21:41:04
well a geforce gtx 480 at around 100C is not that bad:
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/geforce-gtx-480,2585-15.html

though I admit, that furmark is mostly to torture your graphics card, 100C is within the graphics cards tollerance.

I suspect a bug though, since I have not been able to even get my gtx 570 near furmark temperatures with eve. Maybe its a driver bug? Are you running the 275 nvidia driver?

Rocky Deadshot
Posted - 2011.06.26 00:45:00 - [7]
 

i have a gts 240, ya a crappier card than you, and i have little to no issue with 2 accounts running on 2 different monitors. I get to 75c max
I made speical modifications though... i took the side off and i have a fan blowing more air in (cause its summer) and i have a program that lets me keep the fan on the card running at 88% all the time.

I believe your issue is in ventalation, and if any of your fans arent up to par... it wont matter how good your card is.

O'Kurru
Gallente
Castle Amber
Posted - 2011.06.26 02:13:00 - [8]
 

Edited by: O''Kurru on 26/06/2011 02:13:55
I've a rig with three GTx285s core clocking at 675MHzon board, appears with the dual screen display I have, and the fixed screen space I play EVE on, GPU1 and GPU3 share the load while GPU2 pretty much idles. Usage on 1,3 is about 75% and temperature on GPU1 bumps up quite quickly when in station graphics only. During flight operations system tends to be as they have over the past year and one half of play. I'm certainly awaiting CQ space calculations optimization.

I Love Boobies
Amarr
All Hail Boobies
Posted - 2011.06.26 03:02:00 - [9]
 

And of course since CCP is keeping mum on everything these days, we won't know when and if there will be a fix for the overheating issue. I dunno why some people have, and some people do.

I don't, but I only have a single GTS 250. Fan doesn't get above 45-48% and 68-70 degrees. You would think mine would get much hotter, much faster than a SLI rig with newer cards. It's weird how it's happening.

I am running the very latest drivers, and I don't have anything overclocked. Maybe try setting anything you may have overclocked to stock speeds and see what happens? Dunno if that would help, but it's an idea.

Jean Lechapel
Posted - 2011.06.26 08:25:00 - [10]
 

The fact is that the engine for CQ was probably, and I loosely quote from another thread, coded by 70 monkeys bashing on keyboards. The amount of games that run fine on MY pc just go to show that its not entirely hardware, its also the software: its damn inefficient.

If the other games on my pc are anything to go by, I should be running CQ at about 60 fps, not the pathetic 7-10 I get (followed by a 5-minute long loading screen). So, big PC/ small PC/ overclocked PC/ PC from the Gods... whatever your line is;

[x] turned it off.

Brahsef Stalin
Posted - 2011.06.26 08:46:00 - [11]
 

Originally by: Okano Hykeido
Spending over 15minutes in the captains quarters makes my graphics cards overheat!

Just had to quit the game again and let them cool down. Card 1 on 103degrees and card number 2 on 94 degrees.
Even in a standard resolution of 1920 x 1080! and not my normal resolution of 5760 x 1200.

No other game makes my cards reach anywhere near those temps!

Bad Company 2 in a resolution of 6k it gets no hotter than 80degrees.


Is this normal? I dont think the captains quarters is optimised that well, there is hardly anything going on and its just overheating like crazy....Its lucky i can monitor my temps else i would have two dead 300quid graphics cards....
Is there anyway to disable the captains quarters and go back to the old hangar?


I have the same issue, two GTX 480 in SLI, running my desktop at 5760x1080, client in 1900x900 and it near melts both GPU's. Running this on my old PC with a GTX295 and it has no problems at all. Clearly there is a problem here, I even tried a fresh Windows install to no avail.

I'd dare say it's very poor optimisation, as the interface feels clunk, the UI is cumbersome and while somewhat pretty, has a very hurried feel to it.

TriadSte
Gallente
Posted - 2011.06.26 10:58:00 - [12]
 

Hang on a second, you guys are complaining about a new game update made by CCP?

Can I ask what you were expecting? Spaceships in space is 1 thing but CQ is an entirely different ballgame. This isnt EA games or Crytek studios this is CCP...

Respect to what they are wanting to do for us but I agree these heat issues have got to stop, It's not like they're gonna reimburse you the money for your computer.

What exactly I wonder is killing newer models when older ones are running quite nice? I am using my backup card as my decent one died so right now Im running a 8800 GT which is fine. Im running everything on high 1920x1080 with 8xAA in space max of 150-200 FPS in CQ about 30 and it never ever goes above 60C.

Something must be way wrong for higher end cards to be melting as the game should run far easier on these cards.

Also just a tip for u guys if you dont use this but get rivatuner or something similar and adjust your gpus fan to stay on a higher setting youll see a marked cooling difference.


Brahsef Stalin
Posted - 2011.06.26 11:49:00 - [13]
 

Originally by: TriadSte
Hang on a second, you guys are complaining about a new game update made by CCP?

Can I ask what you were expecting? Spaceships in space is 1 thing but CQ is an entirely different ballgame. This isnt EA games or Crytek studios this is CCP...

Respect to what they are wanting to do for us but I agree these heat issues have got to stop, It's not like they're gonna reimburse you the money for your computer.

What exactly I wonder is killing newer models when older ones are running quite nice? I am using my backup card as my decent one died so right now Im running a 8800 GT which is fine. Im running everything on high 1920x1080 with 8xAA in space max of 150-200 FPS in CQ about 30 and it never ever goes above 60C.

Something must be way wrong for higher end cards to be melting as the game should run far easier on these cards.

Also just a tip for u guys if you dont use this but get rivatuner or something similar and adjust your gpus fan to stay on a higher setting youll see a marked cooling difference.




My GPU fan's are already at 4500, the sound is rather deafening. I'm getting customer heatsinks for my video cards but sadly waiting for stock to come in to my local store. Even with fans maxed out, the temp jumps like a rocket. To be honest, if they wanted to really do this, they should have got it right the first time, not stuff everyone around and cause the issues they have.

Pretty sure software that damages hardware comes under unmerchantible goods in my country.

ariana ailith
FreakyTech
Posted - 2011.06.26 13:10:00 - [14]
 

My GTX480 does not overheat or anything. Seems to work fine here.

Core i7, 2.8Ghz @ 3.3Ghz (dynamic)
4GB Ram
GTX480, 1536mb
Asus Mainboard, P7P55D Pro

I have Fan control enabled in the bios for a low noise setting and had Asus fan utility calibrate the fans.

Okano Hykeido
Minmatar
No Compromise
Posted - 2011.06.27 08:03:00 - [15]
 

Edited by: Okano Hykeido on 27/06/2011 08:03:11
mine does.

i7 980X @ 4Ghz
6GB Corsair
2 x 480GTX @ Stock speeds.
ASUS Rampage 3 Latest BIOS flash.
MSI afterburner is kicking the fan in early and puts it on 100% on temps above 85degrees.

No other game makes it overheat at all.
8 case fans mostly 120mm apart from the one on the side above the two cards.
Geforce driver 275.33 WHQL and also 275.50 beta's both overheating in EVE.


I run a tripple screen setup 3 x 24" Monitors and run eve in a window 1680 x 1050.

So why is it just me that eve is overheating ? Because the game is in a window ?

Gibbo3771
Posted - 2011.06.27 08:14:00 - [16]
 

Originally by: Temuken Radzu
Edited by: Temuken Radzu on 25/06/2011 20:05:02
weird it happens with the newest graphic cards... i have 8800 GTX and it runs CQ fine in medium to high settings... temp goes not higer than 80 C
30 fps in QC


You have any idea how hot that is? yours is overheating as well. Should be 60 max under full load.

Around the 90 mark and above you start to get artifacts, above 100 your pc should shutdown as the heat sill spread to your mobo and then your cpu.

Deleros Revo
Posted - 2011.06.27 11:32:00 - [17]
 

This won't be the desired solution but: the 480GTX are known to generate very much heat since they where put on the market, mine at stock cooling was normally at 80C at full load. I have been a water cooling enthusiast for around 7 years, and watercooling the 480GTX almost cut its temperature by almost 50%.

With all settings in Incarna to max and a 1920x1080 resolution my 480GTX won't go further than 44C for extended hours of gameplay. This is with no overclocking.

The real reason for setting up my watercooling rigs are the noise reduction (when people come to visit some ask if the PC is turned on), and to put some extra overclock at the CPU. I always suggest watercooling, you get some concerns the first time you do it, but it really pays off and after the first time you do it you never want to any computer without it.

Okano Hykeido
Minmatar
No Compromise
Posted - 2011.06.27 12:23:00 - [18]
 

Edited by: Okano Hykeido on 27/06/2011 12:24:06
yeh mate i heard water cooling a 480 turns it into a beast and your able to overclock it as high as a 580. It is something i am looking to do in the future especially as like you say it does run quite hot compared to other cards.

nothing out there makes it run as hot as docked in an eve station lol...

In all honesty it doesnt really run much hotter than my 280s that i had before even on air in the middle of summer playing games in a huge resolution of 6k im not hitting 100degrees like am in EVE.

But still there is definatly something wrong with eve because 70% usage on the card SHOULD NOT make it overheat in the slightest even with temperature outside in the 30's.

Aidamina Omen
Elysian Empire
Posted - 2011.06.27 12:45:00 - [19]
 

@CCP:

The GPU overheat problem can easily be addressed with a framerate cap. Any modern day engine implements a feature like this. The problem most people are having stems from the fact that their CPU's are in layman terms 'too fast' and they give too much time to the GPU to render the scene. Which can can actually make faster GPU's 'appear' to be performing worse then expected.

Brahsef Stalin
Posted - 2011.06.27 13:08:00 - [20]
 

Originally by: Aidamina Omen
@CCP:

The GPU overheat problem can easily be addressed with a framerate cap. Any modern day engine implements a feature like this. The problem most people are having stems from the fact that their CPU's are in layman terms 'too fast' and they give too much time to the GPU to render the scene. Which can can actually make faster GPU's 'appear' to be performing worse then expected.


It's already capped to 60 FPS. My theory currently is that CQ/Incarna stresses certain parts of a GPU in certain video cards causing undue heat.

What I'm finding interesting is that myself and others who run a GTX480 in SLI with another are all having these overheating issues, but it seems to me that possibly people with only one aren't. Possible issue with SLI maybe?

Tommbo
Posted - 2011.06.27 13:22:00 - [21]
 

I have a GTX 470 that uses the same core/architecture as the GTX 480. I would guess that the overheating is due to either the case or bad thermal paste.

Try running with your case open and see if there's a substantial decrease in temps.

Another common issue is sloppy TIM (thermal interface compound) applied between the graphics card cooler and the chips. The stock TIM used on most graphics cards is pretty crappy, and also is usually applied too liberally which actually makes it act as an insulator rather than help with heat transfer. A good aftermarket TIM applied by hand checking for decent contact with the card can easily drop temps 10-15 C with the stock cooler.

Brahsef Stalin
Posted - 2011.06.27 13:31:00 - [22]
 

Originally by: Tommbo
I have a GTX 470 that uses the same core/architecture as the GTX 480. I would guess that the overheating is due to either the case or bad thermal paste.

Try running with your case open and see if there's a substantial decrease in temps.

Another common issue is sloppy TIM (thermal interface compound) applied between the graphics card cooler and the chips. The stock TIM used on most graphics cards is pretty crappy, and also is usually applied too liberally which actually makes it act as an insulator rather than help with heat transfer. A good aftermarket TIM applied by hand checking for decent contact with the card can easily drop temps 10-15 C with the stock cooler.


Check, check, double check.

The issue is, using CQ in EVE is the ONLY program that causes this, I've stress tested and played games that are much more intricate than the CQ engine with no issues at all.

This isn't some, oh air flow, dusty fan, poor thermal paste, faulty hardware issue. Like I said, I'm noticing a bit of a pattern with people using GTX480's in SLI. God, do you people even read things in detail before you post?

Okano Hykeido
Minmatar
No Compromise
Posted - 2011.06.27 13:57:00 - [23]
 


Quote:
Check, check, double check.

The issue is, using CQ in EVE is the ONLY program that causes this, I've stress tested and played games that are much more intricate than the CQ engine with no issues at all.

This isn't some, oh air flow, dusty fan, poor thermal paste, faulty hardware issue. Like I said, I'm noticing a bit of a pattern with people using GTX480's in SLI. God, do you people even read things in detail before you post?



QFE!!!

OlRotGut
Caldari
Trojan Trolls
Controlled Chaos
Posted - 2011.06.27 16:15:00 - [24]
 

Edited by: OlRotGut on 27/06/2011 16:15:16
Originally by: Okano Hykeido

Quote:
Check, check, double check.

The issue is, using CQ in EVE is the ONLY program that causes this, I've stress tested and played games that are much more intricate than the CQ engine with no issues at all.

This isn't some, oh air flow, dusty fan, poor thermal paste, faulty hardware issue. Like I said, I'm noticing a bit of a pattern with people using GTX480's in SLI. God, do you people even read things in detail before you post?



same issue here. new rig, fan is at 100% while in CQ.

no other game ive ever played does this...
ugh

Aidamina Omen
Elysian Empire
Posted - 2011.06.27 16:16:00 - [25]
 

Originally by: Brahsef Stalin
Originally by: Aidamina Omen
@CCP:

The GPU overheat problem can easily be addressed with a framerate cap. Any modern day engine implements a feature like this. The problem most people are having stems from the fact that their CPU's are in layman terms 'too fast' and they give too much time to the GPU to render the scene. Which can can actually make faster GPU's 'appear' to be performing worse then expected.


It's already capped to 60 FPS. My theory currently is that CQ/Incarna stresses certain parts of a GPU in certain video cards causing undue heat.

What I'm finding interesting is that myself and others who run a GTX480 in SLI with another are all having these overheating issues, but it seems to me that possibly people with only one aren't. Possible issue with SLI maybe?

Im not talking about vsync.

Dieadre LeAnn
Gallente
Rosa Castellum
Fortis Malleus
Posted - 2011.06.27 19:00:00 - [26]
 

Running 1 GTX460 and have had no heat issues at all, don't have a GPU monitor so i don't know how much stress is on the GPU but FPS are great, and no heat issues so far and have spent lots of time at station.

you may be onto something

Originally by: Brahsef Stalin
Originally by: Aidamina Omen
@CCP:

The GPU overheat problem can easily be addressed with a framerate cap. Any modern day engine implements a feature like this. The problem most people are having stems from the fact that their CPU's are in layman terms 'too fast' and they give too much time to the GPU to render the scene. Which can can actually make faster GPU's 'appear' to be performing worse then expected.


It's already capped to 60 FPS. My theory currently is that CQ/Incarna stresses certain parts of a GPU in certain video cards causing undue heat.

What I'm finding interesting is that myself and others who run a GTX480 in SLI with another are all having these overheating issues, but it seems to me that possibly people with only one aren't. Possible issue with SLI maybe?


 

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