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Cheiftan
Minmatar
Shinryaku
Posted - 2011.06.26 16:09:00 - [91]
 

Quote:
That and

CCPs self-inflicted Image damage is real.
It became real when their incompetence allowed
this situation to enter the online-gaming news-cycle.
There is allready a heap of negative publicity
for the game and the company out there from past events.
Them laughing into their loyal customers faces and
calling us "golden gooses"
simply crowns it.

This image damage is reality and
will have a negative impact even on those titles,
that they hope will be their new stars. WoD & DUST.

With Secret World and a gazillion of shooters,
those titels are not even unique, as EVE is.

Only those that still care post in the unsub-thread.
Even though there are many that are not bothered by the development.
The forums paint a clear picture that a sizeable part of the community is in rage.
Its probable that the real amount of subscriptions lost ist a multiple of those numbers.

A potential loss of >1% of its customer base, should worry any company.
In the case of a software-company the income lost nearly directly reduces its earnings.

The costs per customer are negible.
So the real impact of those lost subscription is much more meaningfull.
The sum should not be compared to the
60 Mil E/Turnover of the company, but its maybe 5 Million Earnings...



You have hit the nail on the head.

As for BioMass or GTFO, thats the most moronic thing i have ever read, the fact is we have all put in a time investment into this game, we dont want to just quit.

But we care about its future, so if this is how we must protest then so be it, if things improve alot of these people will return.


Tobiaz
Spacerats
Posted - 2011.06.26 16:10:00 - [92]
 

@Jaxom Asgard, you know being a cynical approach is often a smart approach to viewing things, but it should always be combined with trying to understanding how people think and act.

And you are failing quite hard on that last part.

I could try to explain it to you, but you'll just keep clamping onto your cynicism, like a baby on his pacifier.

I'll just say this: CCP is in a very precarious position right now and they've always been very protective of their game. The thought that list is even remotely accurate will scare the **** out of them. Losing over 1% of your customers in 2 days is very bad for business and it makes you look even worse.

Also: communities that exist before an game actually launches are a complete sham. Don't kid yourself here.

Jaxom Asgard
Posted - 2011.06.26 16:42:00 - [93]
 

Edited by: Jaxom Asgard on 26/06/2011 16:42:06
Not so much synical as trying to see it from the other side to add some balance to the arguments, believe it or not, I do see both sides, but it seems that seems that things are very one sided here, on the forums.

Please forgive me & understand my position. I am not disagreeing with either side, I just trying to present both sides of the augment in a balance manner, to encourage people not just to be lemmings and actually make up there own minds.

Yes CCP need to sit up & take notice, (i totally agree with this point), but they also need to balance it with what they are actually seeing in terms of numbers, it is 'hullabaloo or fact' something we will never know.....

Dobbs Head
Hot Coffee Mojo
Posted - 2011.06.26 17:07:00 - [94]
 

Edited by: Dobbs Head on 26/06/2011 17:08:48
Originally by: oniplE
Originally by: Dobbs Head
Edited by: Dobbs Head on 26/06/2011 14:09:02
Originally by: Myxx
Edited by: Myxx on 26/06/2011 13:49:48
I wonder if they get it yet.

(source: Tobiaz's google doc as of this edit.

4181x15~)

Will not surprise me if this scales up to hundreds of thousands of dollars in lost subs eventually.

edited: june 26th, 2011.



Sooo, with the most recent wiki stats at 357,000 total account and 4,000 have supposedly quit (which I don't actually believe, btw), that leaves 353,000 active accounts. Some of whom don't care about what's going on and some of whom have taken a "wait and see" attitude.

I know that the numbers of those claiming to quit look impressive to some folks, but if the 4181 actually DO follow through on what they're saying, then they represent a grand total of 1.1% of the player base. Which leaves 98.9% of the EvE player base completely unphased. No one will miss you. No one will even notice.

These numbers are nowhere near large enough to make CCP concerned about anything. I bet that 1% of the player base unsubs at every expansion, lol.

Anywho, carry on, carry on.


edit: typo

Actually, 1 million dollars annually can be a 'big' deal for CCP. It's not enough to endanger the company, but you have to keep in mind that CCP (most likely) has relatively high fixed costs and very little variable costs, costs that go up (or down) with the amount of subscriptions. For example: If 10% of the playerbase quits, the expenses of CCP will not drop an equal 10%. Salaries won't go down and the server still has to be serviced. Especially now they're developing three games at a time, it's probably very hard to cut back on human capital without risking the release schedule.

In 2009 they made 6.2 million dollars (according to some article), when you calculate current profit based on subscriptions they should be at 7.5 million dollars. If they lose 1 million dollars annually but the expenses stay largely the same, they lose 1 million dollars in profit, which is a big deal if your total profit is 7.5 million.

Obviously these estimations are very rough, but the point i'm trying to make is valid: CCP doesn't need to lose a massive amount of subscriptions to get hit financially.

Perhaps there is a confusion between net and gross here.

There should be a gross of right around $64,000,000 annually. Don't subtract the loss of a few thousand (maybe) subscriptions from the reported net. Those subs come out of the gross. Any company will have a good bean counter to reduce their tax burden by showing as low a net as possible.

So, it is even more clear that those who are publicly claiming that they are unsubscribing are not really having a huge impact on the revenue of this company.

oolk
Caldari
Caldari Provisions
Posted - 2011.06.26 17:13:00 - [95]
 

Goons leaving?

Can I haz their stufz? Dibs!!

That being said,I dunno what you guys are raging about,i undock,fly my ships,have fun...nothing changed and nothing will change it either.

Tacyon
The Phayder Corporation
Posted - 2011.06.26 17:38:00 - [96]
 

I am usually a fix it if the screw is loose kind of person. I'm not in the habit of just tossing something away or leaving if it's broke. I try to fix it with whatever tools I have at my disposal. The 'right tool for this job' would have been conversation. It does not appear that this tool worked thus far. Now it would seem that the only possible tool to use would be with our real life wallets.

CCP, understand that most the world is in a economic crisis. Most have a dwindling amount of real funds with which to "play" with. There is a 2nd cost to eve and that is one of TIME (time = money?) When this GAME costs me too much, that is to say, value does not exceed money/time spent, then I make the decision to no longer spend my real life time and money on a this, a GAME. I can spend less money annually with a lot less time involvement and get just as much if not more entertainment (escape) and a lot less drama by choosing to spend my game budget on other games. Remember CCP, pigs get fat. Hogs get slaughtered ! Get too greedy and you'll lose.

This explains though why there was never ANY explanation from CCP on why the change to fitting storage and perhaps why it was done in the first place.

From a sociological stand point CCPs move and our eventual reaction to this is interesting. It’s like gambling. You spend real money for the entertainment of making a machine make noise and flashy lights (which btw is engineered that way) in the hopes that you could win some money. Traditionally, the house wins ! Is CCP the house in this case?

Eve is not unique.
My Wife has been playing Farmville for perhaps 2 years and has quite the farm going. She also has noticed an increase in the "we want you to spend real life $$$ to do "X" in game." And it's usually just about anything that is worthwhile takes $$$. Luckily for me she realizes this and has not spent any real life money on the game. She refers to what she has noticed in Farmville and what we see happening in Eve as a “racket, and a shakedown”. This is the opinion of someone who does not have an emotional tie to Eve but does understand the business and customer sides of this. And even she identifies it as a shakedown. Nice.

Now I temper this all with, I if I can ignore this all then I could care less. Like CQ, ignore it and use the station buttons along the side. It’s ashamed that we've lost other features and performance in the process as well.

In the beginning I had a hard time subscribing to Eve. I realized that its value with me personally hinged on its perceived value. The costs involved (time and money) versus the entertainment derived. This balance has always been in my opinion close due to the fairly high yearly cost and the steep cost in time. The apparent direction that CCP is heading, for me, tips the scale towards “its no longer worth it” to me. If this pans out, for myself, like many others, it will be time to move on. Its hard because it was fun while it lasted and it didn’t have to end like this.

Dobbs Head
Hot Coffee Mojo
Posted - 2011.06.26 17:40:00 - [97]
 

Originally by: Tacyon
I am usually a fix it if the screw is loose kind of person. I'm not in the habit of just tossing something away or leaving if it's broke. I try to fix it with whatever tools I have at my disposal. The 'right tool for this job' would have been conversation. It does not appear that this tool worked thus far. Now it would seem that the only possible tool to use would be with our real life wallets.

CCP, understand that most the world is in a economic crisis. Most have a dwindling amount of real funds with which to "play" with. There is a 2nd cost to eve and that is one of TIME (time = money?) When this GAME costs me too much, that is to say, value does not exceed money/time spent, then I make the decision to no longer spend my real life time and money on a this, a GAME. I can spend less money annually with a lot less time involvement and get just as much if not more entertainment (escape) and a lot less drama by choosing to spend my game budget on other games. Remember CCP, pigs get fat. Hogs get slaughtered ! Get too greedy and you'll lose.

This explains though why there was never ANY explanation from CCP on why the change to fitting storage and perhaps why it was done in the first place.

From a sociological stand point CCPs move and our eventual reaction to this is interesting. It’s like gambling. You spend real money for the entertainment of making a machine make noise and flashy lights (which btw is engineered that way) in the hopes that you could win some money. Traditionally, the house wins ! Is CCP the house in this case?

Eve is not unique.
My Wife has been playing Farmville for perhaps 2 years and has quite the farm going. She also has noticed an increase in the "we want you to spend real life $$$ to do "X" in game." And it's usually just about anything that is worthwhile takes $$$. Luckily for me she realizes this and has not spent any real life money on the game. She refers to what she has noticed in Farmville and what we see happening in Eve as a “racket, and a shakedown”. This is the opinion of someone who does not have an emotional tie to Eve but does understand the business and customer sides of this. And even she identifies it as a shakedown. Nice.

Now I temper this all with, I if I can ignore this all then I could care less. Like CQ, ignore it and use the station buttons along the side. It’s ashamed that we've lost other features and performance in the process as well.

In the beginning I had a hard time subscribing to Eve. I realized that its value with me personally hinged on its perceived value. The costs involved (time and money) versus the entertainment derived. This balance has always been in my opinion close due to the fairly high yearly cost and the steep cost in time. The apparent direction that CCP is heading, for me, tips the scale towards “its no longer worth it” to me. If this pans out, for myself, like many others, it will be time to move on. Its hard because it was fun while it lasted and it didn’t have to end like this.


A respectable post.

Marcus Vorenius
Caldari
Task Force 42
Posted - 2011.06.27 06:04:00 - [98]
 

the damage to CCP reputation, increase in employee turnover and "The Total Cost of A$$holes" is probably much, much higher than the perceived loss of subscriptions

khai88
Posted - 2011.06.27 06:15:00 - [99]
 

Originally by: Marcus Vorenius
the damage to CCP reputation, increase in employee turnover and "The Total Cost of A$$holes" is probably much, much higher than the perceived loss of subscriptions


OH, yes agree, how CCP manage this problems did damage thier rep, their F**K UP BIG ON MANAGE THIS PROBLEMS.

Just Another Toon
Posted - 2011.06.27 06:19:00 - [100]
 

the issue is world wide perception now, news of CCPs antics are now out in teven toght it doesnt helpe open not just confined to internal forums. All the major gaming sites/magazines now are showing this story, and not showing CCP in a great light. Thats now CCPs issue to resolve, the unsubs are not the main issue even though it doesnt help ofc

Arias Dren
Posted - 2011.06.27 06:27:00 - [101]
 

Originally by: Asmodeus Et'Mort
So $34k a month in subscrptions cancelled at least, because I know of others in my corp who are not mentioned in teh spreadsheet who have cancelled their accounts. Thats 400k wiped off their projected income for the year, thats a hell of a game of chicken to play when your countries economy is in meltdown.

Thats without all the bad press throughout the gaming forums and news websites where scorn for CCP is not confined to Eve or even Eve players. How many people are thinking maybe WoD is a bad idea?

Investors want a nice quiet return ontheir profits, they do not want to see an investment make international trade press for unheard of consumer criticism.

How do you milk a goose? bend it over rinse and repeat.

My sub is cancelled Ill let the time run down if it gets better ill resub if not I will look for somthing else. Pay to win is not what I personally want to play and there are hundreds of game developers out there.



This. Sorry CCP-fanboi bichez.

:P

Linar Mardolak
Minmatar
Phlogiston Absorption
Posted - 2011.06.27 06:46:00 - [102]
 

Originally by: Asmodeus Et'Mort

Thats without all the bad press throughout the gaming forums and news websites where scorn for CCP is not confined to Eve or even Eve players. How many people are thinking maybe WoD is a bad idea?



The WoD forums are currently on fire, too. Not as bad as here, as all it'll be for them is another failed WoD game, but they're already giving up on the hope of a positive outcome.

Originally by: Asmodeus Et'Mort

Investors want a nice quiet return ontheir profits, they do not want to see an investment make international trade press for unheard of consumer criticism.



Yes, and I wonder how it'll go when they try to close their next round?

Ishtanchuk Fazmarai
Amarr
Posted - 2011.06.27 06:56:00 - [103]
 

Well, according to Meissa Anunthiel, subscription numbers may be the driving force behind the CSM emergency meeting.

Sorry to put the original quote in Spanish:

http://foros.eve-online.es/viewtopic.php?p=28466#p28466

Quote:
Ayer por la noche las cosas cambiaron, CCP nos comunico las cifras de suscripción. El número es sustancial (no puedo dar las cifras, lo siento). CCP Zulu CCP nos ha dado un nuevo blog y nos pidió de hacer comentarios. El blog no responde a todo nuestros puntos directamente, pero el tono es positivo y los miembros del CSM van a ir a Islandia en caso de emergencia para tratar de reparar la situación.


Google translate:

Quote:
Last night things changed, we (were) communicate CCP membership figures. The number is substantial (I can not give numbers, sorry). CCP CCP Zulu has given us a new blog and asked for comment. The blog does not respond to all of our items directly, but the tone is positive and CSM members will go to Iceland in an emergency to try to redress the situation.



diaufop
Posted - 2011.06.27 07:00:00 - [104]
 

Edited by: diaufop on 27/06/2011 07:02:57
Originally by: Ishtanchuk Fazmarai
Well, according to Meissa Anunthiel, subscription numbers may be the driving force behind the CSM emergency meeting.


The rumour I saw was over 5,000 subs cancelled in 4 days. CCP-metric-counted, not forum-post-counted. As I said in another thread, if that really is an accurate figure and subs continue to drop at that rate, then yeah it's pretty damn grim for a company that's already over-stretched financially by trying to develop 1 AAA FPS and 1 AAA MMO from the profits of one niche MMO.

And just for the record, this account will never be re-subscribed regardless of what BS CCP come up with at the end of the week, they've proven beyond a shadow of a doubt that sooner or later they *will* force pay-to-win upon the playerbase. It's just a matter of time. I don't mind MT in f2p games, but not on top of one of the highest subscription charges in the business.

Ishtanchuk Fazmarai
Amarr
Posted - 2011.06.27 12:59:00 - [105]
 

I will wait & see. My main's Plex expires July 18th, that's the first deadline. Regretfully my alt is in a 6-month plan and just resubbed in april.

Marcus Vorenius
Caldari
Task Force 42
Posted - 2011.06.27 15:36:00 - [106]
 

Edited by: Marcus Vorenius on 27/06/2011 15:36:40
Originally by: Ishtanchuk Fazmarai



sorry to be an asshat, but do you have a summary with the numbers? my spanish is a little rusty

Cipher Jones
Minmatar
Posted - 2011.06.27 15:53:00 - [107]
 

Originally by: Ramma Lamma DingDong
These numbers smell sort of...crappy.

Maybe it's because of where they were pulled from.


If these accounts that are "quitting" aren't biomassing then they are just empty threats.

Biomass or gtfo.


Wrong. You dont understand EvE mechanics so GTFO.

You want to protest, liquidate your assets, buy plex, cancel CC subs, and give out free plex to nubs and stay and grief. Take up bandwidth, spread your opinion, and for every plex you give to a nub you cost CCP 15 bucks. Then when your plex runs out, biomass.

The truly bitter vets have enough to do this ALL DAY.

Dopesick
Minmatar
The Ankou
Raiden.
Posted - 2011.06.27 16:00:00 - [108]
 

Originally by: Dobbs Head
Originally by: Conrad Lionhart
This isn't about saving the game that they love. This is about a special interest group that are angry about something that hasn't come to pass, and only wants to protect their own interests.
...


Nicely put.


Wrong...

The game we love is a sandbox...

The game it is becoming, isn't...

Asmodeus Et'Mort
Amarr
Imperial Academy
Posted - 2011.06.27 16:07:00 - [109]
 

Originally by: Dobbs Head
Edited by: Dobbs Head on 26/06/2011 14:09:02
Originally by: Myxx
Edited by: Myxx on 26/06/2011 13:49:48
I wonder if they get it yet.

(source: Tobiaz's google doc as of this edit.

4181x15~)

Will not surprise me if this scales up to hundreds of thousands of dollars in lost subs eventually.

edited: june 26th, 2011.



Sooo, with the most recent wiki stats at 357,000 total account and 4,000 have supposedly quit (which I don't actually believe, btw), that leaves 353,000 active accounts. Some of whom don't care about what's going on and some of whom have taken a "wait and see" attitude.

I know that the numbers of those claiming to quit look impressive to some folks, but if the 4181 actually DO follow through on what they're saying, then they represent a grand total of 1.1% of the player base. Which leaves 98.9% of the EvE player base completely unphased. No one will miss you. No one will even notice.

These numbers are nowhere near large enough to make CCP concerned about anything. I bet that 1% of the player base unsubs at every expansion, lol.

Anywho, carry on, carry on.


edit: typo


Sadly this is the first time since the launch of Eve that a major expansion has not seen a dramatic spike in players online after deployment. There were less people online on saturday night than the previous saturday and thats including the thousands protesting. So no 1% dont always unsub after an expansion.

Ezra Vouland
Lords 0f Justice
Fidelas Constans
Posted - 2011.06.27 16:07:00 - [110]
 

Originally by: Myxx
Originally by: Holly Cleland
I imagine 25-50% won't actually cancel, at worst they'll just stop paying for their alts, people don't just up and leave that fast from a game like this (requires a load of patience), but I do agree, the longer this goes on the worse it gets.


You're right, in a way.

I'm done with my only account, but if they turn things around, theres a reason I have 1x plex reverse redeemed on my account for game time should they make it worth my time to come back. I imagine I'm not the only one.

Count this as more of a demonstration of the will of the community. A warning shot to CCP, as it were.

Yes, it could get a lot worse if they push ahed with their plans.


Lol, so you are saying things that havent came to pass, that even if they did wouldn't even likely effect you, you are basing off coming back if they make it worth your time? I am curious, have they made it worth you time in the past?

Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
Posted - 2011.06.27 16:07:00 - [111]
 

Originally by: diaufop
Edited by: diaufop on 27/06/2011 07:02:57
Originally by: Ishtanchuk Fazmarai
Well, according to Meissa Anunthiel, subscription numbers may be the driving force behind the CSM emergency meeting.


The rumour I saw was over 5,000 subs cancelled in 4 days.


The rumor I saw was that you have a hard time typing posts with one hand because you are jacking off over your own greatness with the other.

Aren't rumors great!

Harcosi
Posted - 2011.06.27 16:12:00 - [112]
 

Originally by: Mr Epeen
Originally by: diaufop
Edited by: diaufop on 27/06/2011 07:02:57
Originally by: Ishtanchuk Fazmarai
Well, according to Meissa Anunthiel, subscription numbers may be the driving force behind the CSM emergency meeting.


The rumour I saw was over 5,000 subs cancelled in 4 days.


The rumor I saw was that you have a hard time typing posts with one hand because you are jacking off over your own greatness with the other.

Aren't rumors great!


lol

Nizran L'Crit
Caldari
Eternal Guardians
Bloodbound.
Posted - 2011.06.27 17:18:00 - [113]
 

Edited by: Nizran L''Crit on 27/06/2011 17:19:55
You know the thing that kills me about what all these people who are saying "you're just nerdraging blah blah blah" don't understand is that this game has had no real additional content in 2 years. Furthermore, CCP told us that they will work on fixing current issues in another 6 months which means that for probably the next year or two, we WON'T be seeing new content and MAY be lucky enough to see some of the content that we have now fixed. My reason for unsubbing wasn't due to the vanity market, we can already spend 35 bucks and get over 700mill isk to spend on whatever we please now.

My issue with all this is that they are taking the money we spend on subs, the money we are investing in them as a company, and using it on completely unrelated content. It should be criminal, I understand divestiture and taking profits from one product and using them to develop another, however, the issue is that they are not only using the profits, they are using base income necessary to run the game and keep normal development on it...this should be criminal.

We pay to play a game where the understanding is that we will see new content, new features. Incursion is a quick development for low-cost to try and appease the fans while they spend the development money elsewhere. Incarna...bwahahaha, Incarna is a joke. If they had implemented real walking in stations, maybe even THE OTHER RACES CQs, it may have been moderately well-received. As it is now, it feels like they took the tech. from WoD, made it into a space theme, threw a couple few days into developing the room that we are forced to walk around in and are making us beta-test this without actually delivering any content.

Will I re-sub if they actually deliver content? Of course, as it stands though, their plans for real content is so far in the future as to be essentially non-existant. MT be damnned, this is the reason I am not really interested in playing EVE-O anymore.

Interesting how this works in other companies....http://www.king5.com/home/Seattle-suicide-exposes-1-m-real-estate-collapse--124392514.html

Ezra Vouland
Lords 0f Justice
Fidelas Constans
Posted - 2011.06.27 17:30:00 - [114]
 

so 1% of the pop, isn't a real dent if they even really did quit.

Myxx
Atropos Group
Posted - 2011.06.27 17:39:00 - [115]
 

Originally by: Ezra Vouland
Originally by: Myxx
Originally by: Holly Cleland
I imagine 25-50% won't actually cancel, at worst they'll just stop paying for their alts, people don't just up and leave that fast from a game like this (requires a load of patience), but I do agree, the longer this goes on the worse it gets.


You're right, in a way.

I'm done with my only account, but if they turn things around, theres a reason I have 1x plex reverse redeemed on my account for game time should they make it worth my time to come back. I imagine I'm not the only one.

Count this as more of a demonstration of the will of the community. A warning shot to CCP, as it were.

Yes, it could get a lot worse if they push ahed with their plans.


Lol, so you are saying things that havent came to pass, that even if they did wouldn't even likely effect you, you are basing off coming back if they make it worth your time? I am curious, have they made it worth you time in the past?


Making it worth my time = giving us proof that paying to win won't come to pass, currently.

Have they made the game worth my time in the past? Yes, otherwise I wouldn't be here and just wouldn't care.

Tobiaz
Spacerats
Posted - 2011.06.27 17:39:00 - [116]
 

Edited by: Tobiaz on 27/06/2011 17:43:07

Originally by: Ezra Vouland
so 1% of the pop, isn't a real dent if they even really did quit.


You think CCP can survive if a whole bunch of players just take a break for half a year of more? It doesn't matter if they intend to come back at some point, they are still not paying for subs or using up PLEX.

As for the 1%, it's probably more. I talked to more then ten guys of which the whole corp just quit and most were so fed up with EVE and CCP, they didn't even care enough anymore to come here and say they're quitting.

The people that do so, are the ones that try to change CCP so they can eventually come back to a better EVE, or the ones that are so ****ed that they need to unload a bunch of insults on top of them leaving.

And then there are people that don't come here because they don't speak English. I talked to some Russians and apparently they are even more angry with CCP then we are. Russians MMORGPS are all MT-P2W and many of the Russian players came to EVE to get away from the 'GM-Shops'.

Random Womble
Minmatar
Emo Rangers
Electric Monkey Overlords
Posted - 2011.06.27 17:45:00 - [117]
 

Originally by: Mr Kidd
Edited by: Mr Kidd on 25/06/2011 15:42:56
You guys are failing to think critically about this issue. CCP would not have made this move without having calculated the losses due to rage quits and comparing it to plex purchases. I suspect that the company's feeling on subscription income is "meh". Remember, Hilmar said "predictable". I believe, though I don't know, that plex purchases far exceed subscription income and therefore the company is willing to lose those of us who are only willing to pay subscriptions and nothing more. It's even conceivable that CCP has reached a point with DUST and WoD that a thriving and active player base in Eve isn't a necessity. *shrugs*

Therefore, those of us unsubbing are a loss, but nothing a P2W model can't make up for.


Most plex that are converted to Aur are likely to be purchased off the ingame market for isk. Yes those plex were bought by someone initially but those people are not going to buy more plex because demand is higher the plex economy does not work like a normal one based off supply and demand (something for the most part the ingame economy showcases brilliantly). You see as demand increases plex prices rise but unlike normal markets where supply then increases too to meet the extra demand (and profit) if anything supply actually drops as people now need to buy less plex to get the same amount of isk to fund their gaming. This then potentially causes prices to spike more and so on. Alternatively if the market is over saturated plexes should continue to fall because players have to purchase more plexes to get the isk they need (there does come a point where people stop because its not worth it). As such CCP are not actually making any more money than they would have done before in fact if anything even if subs dont get hit the number of plexes being purchased may drop so they would lose money there and if we assume that subs do get hit then you could see the large losses in income predicted by the op.

Othran
Brutor Tribe
Posted - 2011.06.27 17:52:00 - [118]
 

The problem for CCP is that its a really bad time for all this as its Northern hemisphere summer.

People who say "this is bollox I'm off" won't get any happy clappy messages about how we'e all friends again Razz

They may, in the first chill of winter come back but heh CCP does NOT need more summer AFG people.

Jack Dant
Minmatar
Posted - 2011.06.27 18:04:00 - [119]
 

Originally by: Ezra Vouland
so 1% of the pop, isn't a real dent if they even really did quit.

Profits for CCP last year were 5.4 mil according to their CFS. So, 5000 unsubbed accounts would take away 16% of their profits. Which is quite a lot. And it would "only" take 30,000 cancelled subscriptions to put them in the red.

Garreth Vlox
Minmatar
Obsidian Inc.
Posted - 2011.06.27 18:06:00 - [120]
 

Originally by: Goatse Girl
I doubt it, I bet most of the neckbeards will cave in before their game time will run out


no actually i wont, cant speak for the rest, but between their lack of response and demeaning attitude i have no interest in giving them any more of my money past my current sub end date.


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