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HeffBee Primus
Posted - 2011.06.25 14:33:00 - [1]
 

Edited by: HeffBee Primus on 25/06/2011 14:36:08
..... and before anyone gets excited let me say I mean finished in the sense of completed, not doomed.

I love EvE because it is a big open ended geeky universe for anally retentive computer nerds like me. It has complexity, depth fun - but you all know that.

I was just wondering whether it is fair to keep expecting developers to add new content. I can play for a couple of years more, at least, with what is there already. Perhaps there is little more to add that isn't contrived and expansion for expansion sake. I'd be happy with maintenance upgrades and keeping audio/graphics up to date for the forseeable future.

Having said that if CCP want to add a soft fuzzy simplistic console oriented layer around the hardcore geeky nerdiness that is EvE, then that is fine by me SO LONG AS THE CORE IS LEFT ALONE AND THE DUMBED DOWN KIDDY STUFF IS ALL COMPLETELY OPTIONAL.

Sister Bliss
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
Posted - 2011.06.25 14:34:00 - [2]
 

I've asked CCP to respond to that question in this thread:

http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1537501&page=1

Ghoest
Posted - 2011.06.25 14:35:00 - [3]
 

Old EVE is dead.

This new abomination will linger in painful decrepitude for some time.

Morgan Polaris
Posted - 2011.06.25 14:37:00 - [4]
 

Let's just say EVE, spaceships, was finished 18 months ago. Anything after that is just poor man's maintenance.

Bklyn 1
Posted - 2011.06.25 14:38:00 - [5]
 

I think they are just winding it down, testing out new software and pricing models for future games. They'll keep it running for at least a couple more years though, I'd think. But the enthusiasm is gone.

Atticus Fynch
Gallente
Posted - 2011.06.25 14:39:00 - [6]
 

Originally by: Ghoest
Old EVE is dead.

This new abomination will linger in painful decrepitude for some time.


I really dont think she will last long.

Amoes Sten
Posted - 2011.06.25 14:43:00 - [7]
 

The answer to your question probably depends a lot on what CCP decides to say next.

Ike Snicklefritz
Amarr
Pink Fuzzy Dice
Posted - 2011.06.25 14:43:00 - [8]
 

I wouldn't say so. There are still things to add, but I do certainly see your point. I would like to see some new ships, for example -- how about T3 frigates, or the art contest winners? Smuggling has sounded interesting, as well as comet mining. That said, if everything we have now were polished and fixed, I'd be very satisfied with EVE has a game.

CCP's old goal of a complete sci-fi sandbox is unrealistic since you can't ever add everything, but I don't want them to stop trying. If I had to choose, I'd probably prefer to see balance-work on existing features over new ones, though.

EVE is a good game as it is, it could be a great game if it were polished, and it could be even better still if it were polished and new gameplay features were added as we go. So no, EVE isn't "complete," but at the same time, it doesn't need to be finished to be fun.

Katra Novac
Posted - 2011.06.25 14:43:00 - [9]
 

Originally by: HeffBee Primus

Having said that if CCP want to a a soft fuzzy simplistic console oriented layer around the hardcore geeky nerdiness that is EvE, then that is fine by me SO LONG AS THE CORE IS LEFT ALONE AND THE DUMBED DOWN KIDDY STUFF IS ALL COMPLETELY OPTIONAL.




The core will change.

I still think SP and Faction Rep is still on the table. Why, you might ask, because those two areas are likely to see the biggest cash flow into CCPs bank balance. We already know getting money out of us is their only real issue.

Items for sale that give advantages in game, items added to the game that players have not manufactured.

All those things will have an impact on the core and principals of the old Eve.

CCP seem to be killing off the old Eve, they'll alter it and likely try to sell it as a new Eve coupled with Dust.

Sarina Berghil
Minmatar
New Zion Judge Advocate
Yulai Federation
Posted - 2011.06.25 14:44:00 - [10]
 

If we assume it is finished in terms of environmental content, there is still years of work to do on polishing the client, balancing work that sort of thing.

And I can come up with a lot of existing features that could shine, if they were iterated on a bit.


My concern about 'optional' stuff, is that it takes the attention away from essential core functionality that needs fixing because it was released in a rough state.
I love the geeky universe, I love the wealth of options. But after a while the crude tools to manipulate the universe just doesn't cut it. Small annoyances end up as gamebreaking annoyances after a while.


From another point of view, I do see a lot of potential in new stuff. I even see a lot of potential in most of CCPs visions of new stuff. I doubt CCP has the expertise or manpower however to carry out those visions in a satisfactory way. But I would love to be proven wrong, just once.

Seul Manus
Posted - 2011.06.25 16:04:00 - [11]
 

Posters here have been saying Eve is finished for years.

Carmine Lady
Amarr
Sinners.
Yarr Collective
Posted - 2011.06.25 16:05:00 - [12]
 

Originally by: Ghoest
Old EVE is dead.

This new abomination will linger in painful decrepitude for some time.


qft


R.I.P old beautiful eve.

Scarlet des Loupes
Gallente
University of Caille
Posted - 2011.06.25 16:09:00 - [13]
 

it does feel like the end of an era .. but I may be wrong ..

Chandler Urandom
Native Freshfood
Posted - 2011.06.25 16:12:00 - [14]
 

I've asked myself the very same question, as it sure feels a lot like something is coming to an end, at least. If it is, I'll be sad EVE is gone, but god damn, I'll laugh at the bittersweet irony of what brought CCP's honeypot to an end.

Whitehound
The Whitehound Corporation
Frontline Assembly Point
Posted - 2011.06.25 16:13:00 - [15]
 

Originally by: Scarlet des Loupes
it does feel like the end of an era .. but I may be wrong ..


No, it is just an upset and players want bring CCP back to making a game the community likes without being treated like cash cows. MT is the dumbest thing since the invention of slot machines. These new items should not at all be available through $$$, but be part of the game to make the game itself more attractive and to attract new subscribers into EVE. Just selling vanity items and clothing, perhaps ships, etc. is totally the wrong way to go (or soon we will be able to buy pretty explosions, too).

Mechanoid Kryten
N0VA 5
Brainfarts
Posted - 2011.06.25 16:13:00 - [16]
 

Originally by: Amoes Sten
The answer to your question probably depends a lot on what CCP decides to say next.


according to the leaked Hilmar letter, they will not say anything so long as the sold monocoles make there more money than lost subs.

the sandbox is dead. eve will be a different game now, with different people playing it.

S'Way
Posted - 2011.06.25 16:14:00 - [17]
 

Edited by: S''Way on 25/06/2011 16:15:08
EvE's changed, old EvE is dead, but just think of all those nice new flying targets (I mean new subscribers with lots of MT power) carrying monocles and things in velators (you know it's going to happen eventually). New eden might just be more fun for some of us that stick around. YARRRR!!

Takseen
Posted - 2011.06.25 16:16:00 - [18]
 

It takes a long time for an MMO to die, since it has a tendency to attract diehard fans that are hopelessly addicted to it. It'll probably go the way of LotRO, stable or slightly declining subscriptions, minimal content updates and ever-increasing levels of microtransactions annoyance.

Gothikia
Regeneration
Posted - 2011.06.25 16:17:00 - [19]
 

The writing is on the wall, and the toe tag has been inked.

Anne Arqui
Minmatar
Diamonds in the Rough Enterprises
Posted - 2011.06.25 16:18:00 - [20]
 

Originally by: Takseen
It takes a long time for an MMO to die, since it has a tendency to attract diehard fans that are hopelessly addicted to it. It'll probably go the way of LotRO, stable or slightly declining subscriptions, minimal content updates and ever-increasing levels of microtransactions annoyance.

I hope EVE characters won't have weird running animations as LoTRO character though .. ugh

Aloe Cloveris
The Greater Goon
Posted - 2011.06.25 16:25:00 - [21]
 

Originally by: Seul Manus
Posters here have been saying Eve is finished for years.


The difference being that this pay-to-win approach literally breaks EVE.

We're drawing near that penultimate stage in an MMOs life-cycle where they begin selling "lifetime subscriptions". This game's all but ****ing done.

stoicfaux
Gallente
Posted - 2011.06.25 16:27:00 - [22]
 

Edited by: stoicfaux on 25/06/2011 16:27:50

It's obvious that a lot of Eve players are only interested in spaceship-player_economy-pvp-sandbox Eve. That market is probably saturated so CCP can't increase sub numbers.

By expanding Eve into the Space Barbie and FPS markets and by developing WoD, CCP has probably decided to go after a bigger market of players. Unfortunately, this market isn't as "hard-core" (for lack of a better term) than the traditional Eve player-base.

Long story short, Eve will be milked as a cash cow in order to fund development of DUST and WoD and Space Barbie in order to make money off of a bigger market. If significant development is undertaken in Eve, it will be done to appeal to the wider market (i.e. "casual" players.) Significant development of Eve is complicated by the fact that the code is probably harder to maintain due to age (krufty) and that the core mechanics that appeal to the "hard-core" may make it difficult to code in more casual friendly features.

I would use the word stagnant instead of "complete."

Solhild
Posted - 2011.06.25 16:28:00 - [23]
 

Originally by: Whitehound
Originally by: Scarlet des Loupes
it does feel like the end of an era .. but I may be wrong ..


No, it is just an upset and players want bring CCP back to making a game the community likes without being treated like cash cows. MT is the dumbest thing since the invention of slot machines. These new items should not at all be available through $$$, but be part of the game to make the game itself more attractive and to attract new subscribers into EVE. Just selling vanity items and clothing, perhaps ships, etc. is totally the wrong way to go (or soon we will be able to buy pretty explosions, too).


Completely and utterly agree with this. CCP listen to those of us who want to be in it for the long haul. Please.

Aloe Cloveris
The Greater Goon
Posted - 2011.06.25 16:41:00 - [24]
 

If CCP want capital that bad, sell the entire EVE Online IP to a company that won't **** all over the game (effectively ruling out Activision and EA)? There you go. CCP gets their kronors to fund their undead sparklebarbie Korean cash-shop game and we can pay sub fees to an entity that enjoys the revenue enough to build upon (and fix) this game. Everyone wins.

stoicfaux
Gallente
Posted - 2011.06.25 16:48:00 - [25]
 

Originally by: Aloe Cloveris
If CCP want capital that bad, sell the entire EVE Online IP to a company that won't **** all over the game (effectively ruling out Activision and EA)? There you go. CCP gets their kronors to fund their undead sparklebarbie Korean cash-shop game and we can pay sub fees to an entity that enjoys the revenue enough to build upon (and fix) this game. Everyone wins.


However, there's suspicion that the large number of PLEX is carried as a liability on the books which makes Eve unattractive to investors, for loans, or for purchase.

Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
Posted - 2011.06.25 16:50:00 - [26]
 

Originally by: stoicfaux
Originally by: Aloe Cloveris
If CCP want capital that bad, sell the entire EVE Online IP to a company that won't **** all over the game (effectively ruling out Activision and EA)? There you go. CCP gets their kronors to fund their undead sparklebarbie Korean cash-shop game and we can pay sub fees to an entity that enjoys the revenue enough to build upon (and fix) this game. Everyone wins.


However, there's suspicion that the large number of PLEX is carried as a liability on the books which makes Eve unattractive to investors, for loans, or for purchase.



There is also suspicion that you are an idiot.

Jennifer Starling
Imperial Navy Forum Patrol
Posted - 2011.06.25 16:53:00 - [27]
 

Edited by: Jennifer Starling on 25/06/2011 16:56:22
Edited by: Jennifer Starling on 25/06/2011 16:55:23
Originally by: stoicfaux
However, there's suspicion that the large number of PLEX is carried as a liability on the books which makes Eve unattractive to investors, for loans, or for purchase.


So actually deep down inside it's a problem with the economy which has its roots in CCP's "invention" of PLEX.

I never liked plex (even though I use them to pay for my 2nd account) ... so it's become the root of all evil.

Justice!
Originally by: Mr Epeen
There is also suspicion that you are an idiot.

Akita T says it himself. Think about it: there's 10,000s of plex in the game, which represents years of free subscription for 1000s of players. If the rich people in EVE would freely hand those PLEX out, CCP would have an income problem. Basically plex is a loan that CCP has to pay back some time .. but it's in the players hands when. By AUR stuff they hope to remove PLEX from the game.


Morgan Polaris
Posted - 2011.06.25 17:00:00 - [28]
 

Originally by: Jennifer Starling
Akita T says it himself. Think about it: there's 10,000s of plex in the game, which represents years of free subscription for 1000s of players. If the rich people in EVE would freely hand those PLEX out, CCP would have an income problem. Basically plex is a loan that CCP has to pay back some time .. but it's in the players hands when. By AUR stuff they hope to remove PLEX from the game.


Well that explains the inception of AUR, just not the implementation. By the way, I'm letting an account die with several PLEX on it.


 

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