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Mordenn G'Kar
Posted - 2011.08.03 19:16:00 - [61]
 

Edited by: Mordenn G''Kar on 03/08/2011 19:16:56
Edited by: Mordenn G''Kar on 03/08/2011 19:16:24
Originally by: StarGlider7


I'm inclined to strongly disagree with your opinion on this Sir.
It is precisely because the community hold this game in such high regard and see resources being put into different areas that dont enhance the game that they care about, which justifies this so called nerdrage.

Still, if it makes you that sick, Im sure you know where THE DOOR is!




I see your inclined to disagree, meaning you dont actually disagree at this point.

Funny, nothing I have seen occur has failed to enhance my game. Probably because I like all the many pleasures of New Eden, not just missions.

I also see that while you and your CCP hating ilk are allowed their opinion, anyone who voices any other must leave?

Really, how quaint of you to apply such monochrome reasoning to what is in essence poisoning the game from the inside.

StarGlider7
Gallente
The Scope
Posted - 2011.08.03 19:35:00 - [62]
 

Originally by: Mordenn G'Kar
Edited by: Mordenn G''Kar on 03/08/2011 19:16:56
Edited by: Mordenn G''Kar on 03/08/2011 19:16:24
Originally by: StarGlider7


I'm inclined to strongly disagree with your opinion on this Sir.
It is precisely because the community hold this game in such high regard and see resources being put into different areas that dont enhance the game that they care about, which justifies this so called nerdrage.

Still, if it makes you that sick, Im sure you know where THE DOOR is!




I see your inclined to disagree, meaning you dont actually disagree at this point.

Funny, nothing I have seen occur has failed to enhance my game. Probably because I like all the many pleasures of New Eden, not just missions.

I also see that while you and your CCP hating ilk are allowed their opinion, anyone who voices any other must leave?

Really, how quaint of you to apply such monochrome reasoning to what is in essence poisoning the game from the inside.


Ok, let me be a little less diplomatic for you. I totally disagree with your point.

Judging by the fact your obv new here (Try posting with your main to ensure credibility) you fail to see that the recent patch has infact reduced function in some aspects.

I also disagree that not everything is Black and White, which is why I so graciously refered to your "opinion"

How quaint!

Finaly, I dont think their is a single player who actually hates CCP, But seeing as we're funding them, We do have a right to voice our concerns with how we feel they are performing with our money.




Toovhon
Posted - 2011.08.03 19:46:00 - [63]
 

Originally by: Mordenn G'Kar
Edited by: Mordenn G''Kar on 03/08/2011 19:00:35
Originally by: glepp
Most game developers would give an arm and a leg for a community that cared this much about their game.


-1

A community that hates everything about their "favourite" game. A community that considers any change of any kind to be some sort of personal attack. A community that simply has constant and unremitting nerdrage about toy spaceships.

Your kind make me sick. Leave, and let those of us who welcome CCP with open arms get one with the hard work of actually playing.


You're the perfect consumer - you'll willingly accept any ****, and your appetite is unending. Some of us are just a tad more discriminating.

Please do not evade the profanity filter. Zymurgist

Mordenn G'Kar
Posted - 2011.08.03 19:49:00 - [64]
 

Originally by: StarGlider7


Ok, let me be a little less diplomatic for you. I totally disagree with your point.

Judging by the fact your obv new here (Try posting with your main to ensure credibility) you fail to see that the recent patch has infact reduced function in some aspects.

I also disagree that not everything is Black and White, which is why I so graciously refered to your "opinion"

How quaint!

Finaly, I dont think their is a single player who actually hates CCP, But seeing as we're funding them, We do have a right to voice our concerns with how we feel they are performing with our money.



Oh I am scared of you now. You are so mean.

Why do I need credibility to have an opinion? You are suggesting just because I use a brand new character just to post in forums this means my opinion is some how worth less than yours is.

You disgree that not everything is black and white... I didnt state it was or was not, but if you disagree that its not, that means you agree that it is.

And finally (By which of course I mean primarily, as it was what I was talking about before you decided that being cute was more relevent in this thread)... Really? You really dont think people despise CCP? Really? And, let me guess, you really dont think there are people who assume CCP owes them for "messing their game"? Please. Get a haircut get a job and stop with the acting big.

Mordenn G'Kar
Posted - 2011.08.03 19:51:00 - [65]
 

Originally by: Toovhon
Originally by: Mordenn G'Kar
Edited by: Mordenn G''Kar on 03/08/2011 19:00:35
Originally by: glepp
Most game developers would give an arm and a leg for a community that cared this much about their game.


-1

A community that hates everything about their "favourite" game. A community that considers any change of any kind to be some sort of personal attack. A community that simply has constant and unremitting nerdrage about toy spaceships.

Your kind make me sick. Leave, and let those of us who welcome CCP with open arms get one with the hard work of actually playing.


You're the perfect consumer - you'll willingly accept any ****, and your appetite is unending. Some of us are just a tad more discriminating.

Please do not evade the profanity filter. Zymurgist


Your hypocrasy speaks volumes. Because you cant understand what Im saying, you suggest Im as blinkered and backwards as yourself.


Muad 'dib
Caldari
The Imperial Fedaykin
Posted - 2011.08.03 19:56:00 - [66]
 

+1

ccp seems to no longer be focused on keeping older players and more about attracting new ones.

CCP ultimatly exists for making money and as long as that money comes in, the how isnt important.

Mordenn G'Kar
Posted - 2011.08.03 19:58:00 - [67]
 

Originally by: Muad 'dib
+1

ccp seems to no longer be focused on keeping older players and more about attracting new ones.

CCP ultimatly exists for making money and as long as that money comes in, the how isnt important.


You should all just use his reply as a template.

It would save you all from hurting your brains thinking of something original to do or say for once.

StarGlider7
Gallente
The Scope
Posted - 2011.08.03 20:02:00 - [68]
 

Originally by: Mordenn G'Kar
Originally by: StarGlider7


Ok, let me be a little less diplomatic for you. I totally disagree with your point.

Judging by the fact your obv new here (Try posting with your main to ensure credibility) you fail to see that the recent patch has infact reduced function in some aspects.

I also disagree that not everything is Black and White, which is why I so graciously refered to your "opinion"

How quaint!

Finaly, I dont think their is a single player who actually hates CCP, But seeing as we're funding them, We do have a right to voice our concerns with how we feel they are performing with our money.



Oh I am scared of you now. You are so mean.

Why do I need credibility to have an opinion? You are suggesting just because I use a brand new character just to post in forums this means my opinion is some how worth less than yours is.

You disgree that not everything is black and white... I didnt state it was or was not, but if you disagree that its not, that means you agree that it is.

And finally (By which of course I mean primarily, as it was what I was talking about before you decided that being cute was more relevent in this thread)... Really? You really dont think people despise CCP? Really? And, let me guess, you really dont think there are people who assume CCP owes them for "messing their game"? Please. Get a haircut get a job and stop with the acting big.


Sir, first of all, No need to be scared.

You need credibility because it appears your talking out of your @rse. If you care to visit the Noble Exchange store, you can purchase a monocle which will allow you to spout the same nonsense, but more fluently.

Also, Im not a neckbeard, Don't need a haircut and manage to hold down a rather respectable job.

Now do run along.... and as I'm no longer inclinded to treat you with any deserved respect, GTFO.

Garreth Vlox
Minmatar
Obsidian Inc.
Posted - 2011.08.03 20:06:00 - [69]
 

Originally by: Mordenn G'Kar
Edited by: Mordenn G''Kar on 03/08/2011 19:00:35
A community that hates everything about their "favourite" game.



put down the crack pipe and back away from the keyboard *snip*, we dont hate everything about the game, we hate that CCP spent the last 18 months telling everyone they were working on solving all the bug/glitch/lag issues we had benn yelling about for a year, only to come out with a gimped, video card melting, 10' x 10' room that added NOTHING to the game beside more lag and glitches. then when we demanded to see all the benefits of this "expansion" CCP pointed to a store where you can buy stuff no one else can see, that is stocked with stuff that costs more the the same thing in RL, and told to like it. we don't hate the game we hate CCP's total lack of respect for its player base, a feeling that was only encouraged by hilmar's leaked mail telling his people what we say doesn't matter. we hate that CCP is using incarna as nothing more than a money grab to look good to investors.

E man Industries
Posted - 2011.08.03 20:09:00 - [70]
 

Do not normally post on these threads but...yes CCP really need to release some content for the space part of the game.

Muad 'dib
Caldari
The Imperial Fedaykin
Posted - 2011.08.03 20:11:00 - [71]
 

Originally by: E man Industries
Do not normally post on these threads but...yes CCP really need to release some content for the space part of the game.


bindone

its all about the inside of things in space now, get with the program dude!

Garreth Vlox
Minmatar
Obsidian Inc.
Posted - 2011.08.03 20:12:00 - [72]
 

Originally by: Mordenn G'Kar
Originally by: StarGlider7


Ok, let me be a little less diplomatic for you. I totally disagree with your point.

Judging by the fact your obv new here (Try posting with your main to ensure credibility) you fail to see that the recent patch has infact reduced function in some aspects.

I also disagree that not everything is Black and White, which is why I so graciously refered to your "opinion"

How quaint!

Finaly, I dont think their is a single player who actually hates CCP, But seeing as we're funding them, We do have a right to voice our concerns with how we feel they are performing with our money.



Oh I am scared of you now. You are so mean.

Why do I need credibility to have an opinion? You are suggesting just because I use a brand new character just to post in forums this means my opinion is some how worth less than yours is.

You disgree that not everything is black and white... I didnt state it was or was not, but if you disagree that its not, that means you agree that it is.

And finally (By which of course I mean primarily, as it was what I was talking about before you decided that being cute was more relevent in this thread)... Really? You really dont think people despise CCP? Really? And, let me guess, you really dont think there are people who assume CCP owes them for "messing their game"? Please. Get a haircut get a job and stop with the acting big.


Hilmar? is that you?

Speaker4 theDead
Caldari
Posted - 2011.08.03 20:21:00 - [73]
 

Originally by: Garreth Vlox
Originally by: Mordenn G'Kar
Edited by: Mordenn G''Kar on 03/08/2011 19:00:35
A community that hates everything about their "favourite" game.



put down the crack pipe and back away from the keyboard you moron, we dont hate everything about the game, we hate that CCP spent the last 18 months telling everyone they were working on solving all the bug/glitch/lag issues we had benn yelling about for a year, only to come out with a gimped, video card melting, 10' x 10' room that added NOTHING to the game beside more lag and glitches. then when we demanded to see all the benefits of this "expansion" CCP pointed to a store where you can buy stuff no one else can see, that is stocked with stuff that costs more the the same thing in RL, and told to like it. we don't hate the game we hate CCP's total lack of respect for its player base, a feeling that was only encouraged by hilmar's leaked mail telling his people what we say doesn't matter. we hate that CCP is using incarna as nothing more than a money grab to look good to investors.


My thoughts exactly. ^^^^^^


Zarus Alexander
Posted - 2011.08.03 20:29:00 - [74]
 

Same thread, different year. Show me something new.

NiGHTSintodreams
Caldari Provisions
Posted - 2011.08.03 21:06:00 - [75]
 

Originally by: glepp
Dear CCP.
1. Microtransactions for items/services with an impact on the game. Your refusal to give a straight answer or listen to your community on this issue is alienating a lot of the people who have made your game work for you.


I'm not aware that CCp said they were going to add microtransactons for items which ocnfer an in-game benefit, so why freak out?


Originally by: glepp

2. Captains Quarters / Incarna not being optional. You say you want people to use it because then it will be awesome. Make it awesome and people will use it. Don't force us to reduce our enjoyment over something that does not add any content to the game, and in fact reduces the enjoyment a lot of us get out of it.


I fail to see how CQ can reduce enjoyment. I much prefer to lounge on my cool couch in my futuristic room instead of having the camera revolve around my floating ship.

BoBoZoBo
MGroup9
Posted - 2011.08.03 21:14:00 - [76]
 

+1

StarGlider7
Gallente
The Scope
Posted - 2011.08.03 21:24:00 - [77]
 

Originally by: NiGHTSintodreams
Originally by: glepp
Dear CCP.
1. Microtransactions for items/services with an impact on the game. Your refusal to give a straight answer or listen to your community on this issue is alienating a lot of the people who have made your game work for you.


I'm not aware that CCp said they were going to add microtransactons for items which ocnfer an in-game benefit, so why freak out?


Originally by: glepp

2. Captains Quarters / Incarna not being optional. You say you want people to use it because then it will be awesome. Make it awesome and people will use it. Don't force us to reduce our enjoyment over something that does not add any content to the game, and in fact reduces the enjoyment a lot of us get out of it.


I fail to see how CQ can reduce enjoyment. I much prefer to lounge on my cool couch in my futuristic room instead of having the camera revolve around my floating ship.


Your first point is a little contentious in as much as: CCP said there were no "plans". Which is quite ambiguous.
EG: I have no plans to go fishing tommorow.
...The following day.... wow what a lovely day, I've done all my work, oh... I didn't plan too...ah hell..lets go fishing for an hour or so.

Your Second Point about CQ again is moot. Spinning in ones ship actually was quite comforting and allowed(IMO)lots of witty voice banter with corpmates etc and was very functional. What we have been given is far from functional, and some of us are somewhat dissapointed and are still seeking the "wow factor" that so many claim will be the WiS element of the game.



Nimrod Nemesis
Amarr
Royal Amarr Institute
Posted - 2011.08.03 21:50:00 - [78]
 

Originally by: Zarus Alexander
Same thread, different year. Show me something new.


This. I'm glad to hammer CCP for failing to iterate on ships, mods, and broken mechanics in general, but opening up with this "don't cry for me Argentina," stuff is getting overplayed to the point of absurdity.

Yeah, it's a good community. I've been around since 2005 and i've played, largely, with the same folks in that time.
Yeah, CQ is incomplete and we're seeing almost none of what they want to deliver yet. I've got nothing to gain or loose from CQ, so I care very little.

Ultimately, i'd say I was far more space-mad over dominion sov, lag, and numerous other blunders than NeX/CQ issues. If i'm going to cry about something it'll be that. And don't bother with this "they took all the resources away from spaceships," argument. They clearly want to implement content via CQ and if that means some delay between the minmatar hell-hole we currently see and something useable i'm ok with that. I'd certainly rather them launch it in bits and fix it as they go than have an all-at-once "station stuff" expansion where the server is down for a couple weeks and then everything is buggy for a full six months afterward.

If anyone is still holding on to the idea that CCP will "right the ship," and steer back toward a spaceship content only EVE: you should go ahead and quit. That's not the EVE that we're being promised, that's not the EVE CCP wants to deliver, and wether you like it or not they will continue on with the CQ stuff in order to realize whatever vision they'd got for EVE in a few years.

StarGlider7
Gallente
The Scope
Posted - 2011.08.03 22:33:00 - [79]
 

Originally by: Nimrod Nemesis
Originally by: Zarus Alexander
Same thread, different year. Show me something new.


This. I'm glad to hammer CCP for failing to iterate on ships, mods, and broken mechanics in general, but opening up with this "don't cry for me Argentina," stuff is getting overplayed to the point of absurdity.

Yeah, it's a good community. I've been around since 2005 and i've played, largely, with the same folks in that time.
Yeah, CQ is incomplete and we're seeing almost none of what they want to deliver yet. I've got nothing to gain or loose from CQ, so I care very little.

Ultimately, i'd say I was far more space-mad over dominion sov, lag, and numerous other blunders than NeX/CQ issues. If i'm going to cry about something it'll be that. And don't bother with this "they took all the resources away from spaceships," argument. They clearly want to implement content via CQ and if that means some delay between the minmatar hell-hole we currently see and something useable i'm ok with that. I'd certainly rather them launch it in bits and fix it as they go than have an all-at-once "station stuff" expansion where the server is down for a couple weeks and then everything is buggy for a full six months afterward.

If anyone is still holding on to the idea that CCP will "right the ship," and steer back toward a spaceship content only EVE: you should go ahead and quit. That's not the EVE that we're being promised, that's not the EVE CCP wants to deliver, and wether you like it or not they will continue on with the CQ stuff in order to realize whatever vision they'd got for EVE in a few years.



You Make a very good point Sir and what really bothers me is your last paragraph.
I see a mixed bag of "I want Space Content Vs. I want WiS Content" on these forums.

Can you not see that what attracted you (and I) to this once fabulous Internet Spaceship Game, (and all the time that as a 2005 player) you have invested in the game is now just basically turning into something that no longer holds that same attraction?

The Nex/CQ/Incarna Patch has done nothing but prove devisive and split the player base (imo)
If this is CCP's gamble to bring in new players, then I hope to god those new players are attracted to space barbie and monocles and stuff.

Think about the content they could have worked on to lure new players (in keeping with the game)

Faction Warfare
Comets
Satellites (I mean man made/player owned ones that could be influencial)
Wormholes
Blackholes
New Systems
Further Exploration
More Ships
More PVP
More PVE
T3 Modules
Further PI Development

oh and apparently medals need looking at Confused


These are just some of the things that inspire folk to play the game and could have been used to increase/maintain a healthy revenue.
I just cannot see that their current vision is going to deliver such awesome content as to appeal to a younger player base because of some fancy apparel.











Mspaine
Amarr
Ministry of War
Posted - 2011.08.03 22:48:00 - [80]
 

Without the community this game is nothing.

I too have discoverd quickly that this game is boring as *beep* without you're corp/alliance mates there to interact, and have fun with.


Do you realy thing people would sit on a gatecamp for 3 hours if there was no social interaction going on in fleet or on voice comms? Chat between the players is the only thign that holds them together.

Alaura Aquila
Minmatar
Matari Legion Holding
Matari Legion
Posted - 2011.08.03 23:38:00 - [81]
 

Edited by: Alaura Aquila on 03/08/2011 23:38:30

Awesome, I too started 2.5 years ago and I couldn't have stated this any better. +1 (this is my 3rd account, since my first two are unsubed at the moment.)

NiGHTSintodreams
Caldari Provisions
Posted - 2011.08.04 00:09:00 - [82]
 

Originally by: StarGlider7
Originally by: NiGHTSintodreams
Originally by: glepp
Dear CCP.
1. Microtransactions for items/services with an impact on the game. Your refusal to give a straight answer or listen to your community on this issue is alienating a lot of the people who have made your game work for you.


I'm not aware that CCp said they were going to add microtransactons for items which ocnfer an in-game benefit, so why freak out?


Originally by: glepp

2. Captains Quarters / Incarna not being optional. You say you want people to use it because then it will be awesome. Make it awesome and people will use it. Don't force us to reduce our enjoyment over something that does not add any content to the game, and in fact reduces the enjoyment a lot of us get out of it.


I fail to see how CQ can reduce enjoyment. I much prefer to lounge on my cool couch in my futuristic room instead of having the camera revolve around my floating ship.


Your first point is a little contentious in as much as: CCP said there were no "plans". Which is quite ambiguous.
EG: I have no plans to go fishing tommorow.
...The following day.... wow what a lovely day, I've done all my work, oh... I didn't plan too...ah hell..lets go fishing for an hour or so.

Your Second Point about CQ again is moot. Spinning in ones ship actually was quite comforting and allowed(IMO)lots of witty voice banter with corpmates etc and was very functional. What we have been given is far from functional, and some of us are somewhat dissapointed and are still seeking the "wow factor" that so many claim will be the WiS element of the game.






If CCP were to be more clear about the future of MT in game, then they run risk of upsetting the players (e.g. "But you said you wouldn't do this all the way back in 2011! Grrr, /quit"). Reality is that MT are becoming the norm for many games, and to ignore it as a possible revenue stream is a ridiculous thing for CCP to do.

As to sitting in station, I don't see how sitting on a couch is any less functional than floating around the ship. I can do exactly the same things from the couch as I could before.

Cipher Jones
Minmatar
Posted - 2011.08.04 01:36:00 - [83]
 

Edited by: Cipher Jones on 04/08/2011 01:38:44
Quote:
That, however, is no excuse for you blatantly ignoring feedback from the community that makes your game.


I would even go as far as to say they are vehemently ignoring feedback.

We are having an oxymoron contest, non?

Further more, is an excuse even warranted?

Quote:
Do you realy thing people would sit on a gatecamp for 3 hours if there was no social interaction going on in fleet or on voice comms? Chat between the players is the only thign that holds them together.


A real FC will mute your ass on vent for that ****. Talk after.

Tasatia
Sileo In Pacis
Posted - 2011.08.04 01:47:00 - [84]
 

+1

Naradius
DEATHFUNK
Posted - 2011.08.04 03:08:00 - [85]
 

Originally by: StarGlider7

Think about the content they could have worked on to lure new players (in keeping with the game)

Faction Warfare
Comets
Satellites (I mean man made/player owned ones that could be influencial)
Wormholes
Blackholes
New Systems
Further Exploration
More Ships
More PVP
More PVE
T3 Modules
Further PI Development

oh and apparently medals need looking at Confused



Actually, satellites are in game - "Control Towers", and at one time they were influential - the old 0.0 Sov system relied on them. CCP decided to do away with that system.

All in all, I agree though. When CCP get back to working on neglected Spaceship stuff, maybe, just maybe, it won't be "too little, to late"...and will actually tempt back the players that they have lost over the last 18 months.


Milken Gekko
Posted - 2011.08.04 03:33:00 - [86]
 

LOADING

Braondra
Posted - 2011.08.04 05:08:00 - [87]
 

+1 to OP for well written and on point.

It's too bad they dont accept "care" at the NeX.

Signal11th
Posted - 2011.08.04 08:19:00 - [88]
 

Originally by: Solosky
Please, stop calling $70 payments (4 plexes to buy monocle) "Microtransactions". With this kind of money you can feed whole village during a month in central Africa - it's nowhere near "micro" term.


For me one that quote is one of the most "bringing you back to reality" quotes you'll ever see.
For me I find it quite shocking that CCP will run "Plex for this unfortunate place, Plex for that unfortunate place" but then with the other hand charge a ridiculous amount for a pair of trousers or a space goggle.

You know what you could have done is say "Yes the monocle costs 30-60 dollars but we will give 10/20/30% of that to a charity, I'm sure the reaction to them might have been a little different.

For all those people who spent "real" money buying plex to by a monocle or a pair of riggers boots just to **** people off on the forums you could have actually spent that money saving someone's life. ( yes I know the same can be said about the actual EVE subscription as well)

I suppose everyone can be accused of doing this myself included but that quote alone will stop me ever paying real money (not that I was ever going to pay) for "goggles/trousers" etc.

The game is good, I'm still enjoying it and have no plans to leave but charging $70 or whatever it is for nothing and then when the next disaster hits some poor sod start asking for PLEX just makes something stick in the back of my throat.

Don't you just love the way the world works...Sad


Kunming
Amarr
T.H.U.G L.I.F.E
Xenon-Empire
Posted - 2011.08.04 09:18:00 - [89]
 

Consistency and steady growth is better than explosive expansive growth. The later has a high risk of exhausting resources and forcing a company to cannibalize.

This is what CCP did, they went for too many projects too fast and now EVE needs to be cannibalized to stay alive.

What is done is done, I just hope CCP doesnt make a trend out of it, in 1-2 years we might see some actual development on EVE again.

ma perke
Posted - 2011.08.04 10:01:00 - [90]
 

+1

i canceled my subscription and from now on will use PLEXes only till I can afford it :)


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