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Tomasa de Torquemada
Soldiers of Irn Bru
OMEGA.
Posted - 2011.06.25 09:58:00 - [1]
 

These protesters are simply blind to the truth, and just irritate me no end, thinking that they know best!..

RMT in the sense you talk about already exists. People can buy Game time, trade for plex and put it on market, get isk, and then use that isk to give them an advantage in game.

This Aurum rubbish is just essentially the same deal, plex > Aurum instead of isk....

Stop the pathetic rage, block all that do this stupid pathetic local channel spam, infact petition them for creating lag..

This stupid protest must be stopped, and needs to stop now, because it is not doing eve any good nor giving the outside world a good view of eve, this will kill eve, not the new so-called RMT stuff.

so STFU, HTFU, and just play the ****ing game instead of whining like little babies, No? then quit because eve has no place for babies like you

Kara Audanie
Posted - 2011.06.25 10:02:00 - [2]
 

Edited by: Kara Audanie on 25/06/2011 10:02:39
OP is an idiot.

Go and read the following:
http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1538159

http://www.glassdoor.com/Reviews/CCP-Games-Reviews-E159347.htm

http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1538167 <-- Actually... read this one first.

Tomasa de Torquemada
Soldiers of Irn Bru
OMEGA.
Posted - 2011.06.25 10:04:00 - [3]
 

Originally by: Kara Audanie
OP is an idiot.

Go and read the following:
http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1538159

http://www.glassdoor.com/Reviews/CCP-Games-Reviews-E159347.htm

http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1538167


An idiot you say? right I will read what you have posted and post again

Darteis Elosia
Gallente
PHOENIX 2ND C.A.G.
Posted - 2011.06.25 10:09:00 - [4]
 

They are protectors not protesters.

Tomasa de Torquemada
Soldiers of Irn Bru
OMEGA.
Posted - 2011.06.25 10:10:00 - [5]
 

FIrst

Jove Ships for Aurum coming in Incarna 1.2??!

if you believe that you will believe anything, where is the proof that CCP has said this?

2nd link..

This is reliable? Many outsider site report bull**** and often say things that are completely untrue about eve, you know it and I know it.. again you believe this you will believe anything, where is your real proof? anyone could set up a site like that

3rd link

BPCs.. while this is most likely your best response, can you at least tell me how this is so different from perhaps someone buying a GTC, creating plex and generating isk to buy a npc seeded BPO?

cytex malrone
Posted - 2011.06.25 10:11:00 - [6]
 

Originally by: Tomasa de Torquemada
These protesters are simply blind to the truth, and just irritate me no end, thinking that they know best!..

RMT in the sense you talk about already exists. People can buy Game time, trade for plex and put it on market, get isk, and then use that isk to give them an advantage in game.

This Aurum rubbish is just essentially the same deal, plex > Aurum instead of isk....

Stop the pathetic rage, block all that do this stupid pathetic local channel spam, infact petition them for creating lag..

This stupid protest must be stopped, and needs to stop now, because it is not doing eve any good nor giving the outside world a good view of eve, this will kill eve, not the new so-called RMT stuff.

so STFU, HTFU, and just play the ****ing game instead of whining like little babies, No? then quit because eve has no place for babies like you


Agreed you are a idiot

Kara Audanie
Posted - 2011.06.25 10:11:00 - [7]
 

Originally by: Tomasa de Torquemada
Originally by: Kara Audanie
OP is an idiot.

Go and read the following:
http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1538159

http://www.glassdoor.com/Reviews/CCP-Games-Reviews-E159347.htm

http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1538167


An idiot you say? right I will read what you have posted and post again

Fail troll is fail. Didn't you realize that when CCP implement the micro-transaction, the market would be driven down to the ground? What would happen if we don't have ANY value in the market? The person who spend on Micro-Transactions could be rich and have the intention to screw the market around. The old EVE Online is all about mining asteroids to get materials, researching BPO, and manufacturing the ships. Now the New EVE don't have to. The Nullsec would be screwed up big time.

Katrina Cortez
Posted - 2011.06.25 10:12:00 - [8]
 

You obviously have no clue... leave this to the people with triple digit IQs.

Tomasa de Torquemada
Soldiers of Irn Bru
OMEGA.
Posted - 2011.06.25 10:13:00 - [9]
 

really? you people are the stupid ones, seriously!!

http://www.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&bid=932

Read this for starters!

Jacque Cruix
Posted - 2011.06.25 10:15:00 - [10]
 

After watching this for awhile I agree that these protestors are not too bright and are starting to shoot themselves in the foot by how over the top they are going.

Some are even blowing their entire leg off and everyone elses in their cause. I'm actally starting to laugh at some of the BS they are spewing.


Kara Audanie
Posted - 2011.06.25 10:15:00 - [11]
 

Originally by: Tomasa de Torquemada
really? you people are the stupid ones, seriously!!

http://www.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&bid=932

Read this for starters!


I did and read this: http://eve.beyondreality.se/NeXCQResponse.html

Rion Deteisan
Posted - 2011.06.25 10:17:00 - [12]
 

Edited by: Rion Deteisan on 25/06/2011 10:17:02
Originally by: Tomasa de Torquemada
These protesters are simply blind to the truth, and just irritate me no end, thinking that they know best!..

RMT in the sense you talk about already exists. People can buy Game time, trade for plex and put it on market, get isk, and then use that isk to give them an advantage in game.

This Aurum rubbish is just essentially the same deal, plex > Aurum instead of isk....

Stop the pathetic rage, block all that do this stupid pathetic local channel spam, infact petition them for creating lag..

This stupid protest must be stopped, and needs to stop now, because it is not doing eve any good nor giving the outside world a good view of eve, this will kill eve, not the new so-called RMT stuff.

so STFU, HTFU, and just play the ****ing game instead of whining like little babies, No? then quit because eve has no place for babies like you


Pretend there are only 2 players in eve.. me and you.

You buy a PLEX from CCP.
I buy the plex from you.

You now have ISK

You need stuffs.
You buy stuffs from me.

Where did the stuffs you buy from me come from??????
I spent TIME acquiring, mining, building, and/or trading these items you want.

You buy from CCP direclty, you screw up the eve-community economy.

CCP NOW WANTS TO COMPETE WITH ITS SUBSCRIBERS!


Hirana Yoshida
Behavioral Affront
Posted - 2011.06.25 10:17:00 - [13]
 

Were I to protest the "protesters" I would be going back on my socialist ideals that allows room in society for the feeble .. so that I wont do.
Originally by: Kara Audanie
OP is an idiot...

- First link is a joke thread.
- Second link is to a site where 99% of posts are made by disgruntled employees. Same problem facing voting on auction sites and the like, why would a happy person need to write walls-of-text?
- Third link has no relevant content other than a cursory look at what full on Turbine™ like MT would do to Eve.

Kara Audanie
Posted - 2011.06.25 10:17:00 - [14]
 

Originally by: Jacque Cruix
After watching this for awhile I agree that these protestors are not too bright and are starting to shoot themselves in the foot by how over the top they are going.

Some are even blowing their entire leg off and everyone elses in their cause. I'm actally starting to laugh at some of the BS they are spewing.




Please read this: http://eve.beyondreality.se/NeXCQResponse.html

Jaen D'arc
Posted - 2011.06.25 10:22:00 - [15]
 

Originally by: Tomasa de Torquemada
really? you people are the stupid ones, seriously!!

http://www.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&bid=932

Read this for starters!


Ur kidding if you think this is a good post.
Zulu comparing rl with eve marked, hes so off.
Eve is(was) a spaceship game and not rl, so dont compare what people do in rl with a computergame.

Doav Inarvo
Posted - 2011.06.25 10:26:00 - [16]
 

Originally by: Rion Deteisan


Pretend there are only 2 players in eve.. me and you.

You buy a PLEX from CCP.
I buy the plex from you.

You now have ISK

You need stuffs.
You buy stuffs from me.

Where did the stuffs you buy from me come from??????
I spent TIME acquiring, mining, building, and/or trading these items you want.

You buy from CCP direclty, you screw up the eve-community economy.

CCP NOW WANTS TO COMPETE WITH ITS SUBSCRIBERS!




Thank you for putting in it a simple and easy to understand way, I'm so sick of having to explain the implications of RMT to noobs who have barely been in the game longer than a year.

xxxTRUSTxxx
Posted - 2011.06.25 10:28:00 - [17]
 

how can you say thousands are blind to the truth. when it looks like it's ccp who are blind to the truth.
the protest we see today are happening because in my view, incarna and it's madness are the straw that broke the camels back.

you call for the pathetic rage to stop (current protests) then call for your own,,, pretty funny

as far as the this isn't good for the outsiders to see, i can't agree with you, players of other games care not for eve, they care about the game/games they play, if eve died tomorrow they'd say, ah well another game gone,, next !

it's ccp who should stfu and htfu, MT's kill games, i've been around since the birth of online gaming, trust me on this, when money is the driving force behind a players ingame mechanical abilities it turns the game, no matter which game it is, into a laugh.

i think that's what is driving the current protests, a fear that the above is going to happen.

OP ya gotta admit, pretty interesting times within eve.
you care about eve i can tell, just like the protesters care, so don't shoot them down without thinking,, what has people so ****ed off.

Hirana Yoshida
Behavioral Affront
Posted - 2011.06.25 10:29:00 - [18]
 

Originally by: Jaen D'arc
...Zulu comparing rl with eve marked, hes so off.
Eve is(was) a spaceship game and not rl, so dont compare what people do in rl with a computergame.

Since people are obviously not capable of understanding what the term "Vanity" means, I'd say the blog does a pretty good job at explaining it ..

Andreus Ixiris
Gallente
Mixed Metaphor
Posted - 2011.06.25 10:31:00 - [19]
 

Don't feed the troll, people.

Azztoroid
Shipwreck cove
Posted - 2011.06.25 10:31:00 - [20]
 

CCP. ARE YOU MOVING PAST VANITY ITEMS FOR AURUM?:
[ ] YES
[ ] NO

Thats the main concern......


Hemp Invader
Inverted Worlds
Posted - 2011.06.25 10:31:00 - [21]
 

**** off op

Maikeruko
Posted - 2011.06.25 10:34:00 - [22]
 

Originally by: Azztoroid
CCP. ARE YOU MOVING PAST VANITY ITEMS FOR AURUM?:
[ ] YES
[ ] NO

Thats the main concern......




Yep, and they STILL haven't answered.

Kara Audanie
Posted - 2011.06.25 10:35:00 - [23]
 

Originally by: Maikeruko
Originally by: Azztoroid
CCP. ARE YOU MOVING PAST VANITY ITEMS FOR AURUM?:
[ ] YES
[ ] NO

Thats the main concern......




Yep, and they STILL haven't answered.


Thanks for the update. Wink

JitaBum
Gallente
Center for Advanced Studies
Posted - 2011.06.25 10:36:00 - [24]
 

Originally by: Azztoroid
CCP. ARE YOU MOVING PAST VANITY ITEMS FOR AURUM?:
[ ] YES
[ ] NO

Thats the main concern......



Of course they are - can people still not see this? ughughugh

Katrina Cortez
Posted - 2011.06.25 10:36:00 - [25]
 

Originally by: Tomasa de Torquemada
really? you people are the stupid ones, seriously!!

http://www.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&bid=932

Read this for starters!


I've read it... and hundreds of other pages... I have been reading, cataloging, and writing articles since before patch day.


mrmooo
Caldari
Pentag Blade
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
Posted - 2011.06.25 10:39:00 - [26]
 

Originally by: Rion Deteisan
Edited by: Rion Deteisan on 25/06/2011 10:17:02
Originally by: Tomasa de Torquemada
These protesters are simply blind to the truth, and just irritate me no end, thinking that they know best!..

RMT in the sense you talk about already exists. People can buy Game time, trade for plex and put it on market, get isk, and then use that isk to give them an advantage in game.

This Aurum rubbish is just essentially the same deal, plex > Aurum instead of isk....

Stop the pathetic rage, block all that do this stupid pathetic local channel spam, infact petition them for creating lag..

This stupid protest must be stopped, and needs to stop now, because it is not doing eve any good nor giving the outside world a good view of eve, this will kill eve, not the new so-called RMT stuff.

so STFU, HTFU, and just play the ****ing game instead of whining like little babies, No? then quit because eve has no place for babies like you


Pretend there are only 2 players in eve.. me and you.

You buy a PLEX from CCP.
I buy the plex from you.

You now have ISK

You need stuffs.
You buy stuffs from me.

Where did the stuffs you buy from me come from??????
I spent TIME acquiring, mining, building, and/or trading these items you want.

You buy from CCP direclty, you screw up the eve-community economy.

CCP NOW WANTS TO COMPETE WITH ITS SUBSCRIBERS!




nicely said---also new content new ships etc--incentive for CCP to introduce via MT ?

xxxTRUSTxxx
Posted - 2011.06.25 10:40:00 - [27]
 

i laughed my ass off when ZULU compared RL items to pixels.

MESSAGE TO ZULU,, you're off your ****ing rocker,, lmfao

btw,, we lease the game and all it's items from ccp, so yea, if ZULU wants to compare RL items to ingame items,, show me where you can lease a pair of jeans for 1000 bucks.

i think it's pretty incredible how CCP staff are looking down on us (the customer)and thinking, idiots, they'll buy into any **** we drop on the table.

Lederstrumpf
Posted - 2011.06.25 10:45:00 - [28]
 

Edited by: Lederstrumpf on 25/06/2011 10:47:08

Originally by: Tomasa de Torquemada
RMT in the sense you talk about already exists. People can buy Game time, trade for plex and put it on market, get isk, and then use that isk to give them an advantage in game.

This Aurum rubbish is just essentially the same deal, plex > Aurum instead of isk....


No it is not. As it would not make _any_ sense to invest development time nor money into someting which is already in place.

By adding Aurum and not allowing Aurum to get bought with ISK they are devaluating the ISK paid for with PLEX in the past: There are items you simply can not buy for ISK unless some other person bought it with Aurum first and agrees to sell it for ISK.

There are clear signs of CCP disabling in game functionality just to possibly offer it again to you for extra Aurum / money lateron. See the 50 fittings slot hard limit case.

"You don't get this functionality anymore unless you pay extra!"

It's not about Aurum just being there and getting used like PLEX. It's about realizing Aurum is a tool to milk customers to pay extra, too. For functionality you once had incuded in your normal subscription fee.


Vim
Spiritus Draconis
Posted - 2011.06.25 10:52:00 - [29]
 

Originally by: xxxTRUSTxxx
i laughed my ass off when ZULU compared RL items to pixels.

MESSAGE TO ZULU,, you're off your ****ing rocker,, lmfao

btw,, we lease the game and all it's items from ccp, so yea, if ZULU wants to compare RL items to ingame items,, show me where you can lease a pair of jeans for 1000 bucks.

i think it's pretty incredible how CCP staff are looking down on us (the customer)and thinking, idiots, they'll buy into any **** we drop on the table.



vanity items are infact made into Vanity by their high isk cost. We asked for Vanity. We got it.
We can also resell our 60$ monocle on the market to another player when we dont want it anymore, since plex<>isk<>aur might fluctate, the price you get back might be higher worth of isk, or lower. But it will still be worth 3.42plex when you resell, or possibly 3.3 so in essence a vanity item costs you .12plex =)

Wizarding ingame ships into existence with $ would be bad. Ill still not mind if they sell a luxuary gallente shuttle in the aur shop, the ingame advantage from having such an item is getting 8 free rounds of emp l delivered via 1400mm express :P
I would not mind if they introduced booster like items up to 10m sp or so for newbies to be able to feel they progress somewhere.

Had everyone been able to afford NeX items the plex demand would have spiked everyone wanting to try it, which would have resulted in alot of market speculants on plex to rise to profit madly from this patch. Which we don't want, and ccp don't want it.

It would be grand if they drafted a 'No, we will not sell machariels for aur, nor any other ship or module or implant or service. But we want to be able to give newbies something because they only stay 7 months'.
If they make a 'here we draw the line document' I'll be most happy.
If they give me my old hangarview back and option to go to quarters/station: Flaming rainbows of true love.

Peace. And reason.



Tomasa de Torquemada
Soldiers of Irn Bru
OMEGA.
Posted - 2011.06.25 10:54:00 - [30]
 

Ok lets get some perspective here... CCP Zulu post does make sense if you think about it.. you have free clothes for your character, in RL you have clothes that do not cost much, you can get a pair of trousers for say £20... but there are those that cost much much more, and are bought for VANITY reasons, this is what Zulu was getting at.

While there has been no specific update, they also have not said their previous comments about MT for game advantage no longer apply, I seriously do not see any MT for game advantage ever coming to EVE, simpley because it would damage CCP's rep, for all games, EVE, DUST and that vampire game..

I do understand people's reasons for protesting, but I also feel many are jumping the gun too soon, MT for Vanity items, I have no worries about


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