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Iamien
Democracy of Klingon Brothers
Posted - 2011.06.25 05:52:00 - [1]
 

Edited by: Iamien on 25/06/2011 05:55:07
Not including links as I don't want to give reason for this thread's closure, please honor this intention.

1. Incarna Launches riddled with hardware performance issues for some as well as exorbitantly priced Clothing/accessory.
2. People rage about prices, and performance.
3. Internal CCP newsletter leaks that strongly suggest non-vanity MT coming to eve.
4. People rage about leaked PDF.
5. CCP Pann makes a thread apologizing for not responding earlier and puts forward that our chief complaint is the prices, which is no longer the case following the leaked PDF.
6. People overwhelmingly flood CCP Pann's thread with the question of whether non-vanity MT will be coming to eve. All CCP say on the point is they cannot answer.
7. In-game protests start aimed at disrupting the trade hubs and spreading word about their concerns.
8. A out-of-character devblog with a by-line of CCP Zulu is posted. The devblog only addressed the PDF in saying that is not a verbatim indication of their plans but is more a discussion. The dev-blog also addresses the prices of the current items, but nothing about the concern of future MT items.
9. Protests/forum rage continues.
10. An eve-radio show with several CSM members(current & past) goes through the issue. CSM members state the the CCP Zulu devblog is out of character and that they have been stonewalled as far as all the recent controversy has been concerned.
11. During the radio show the e-mail of hillmar's is released, which quickly ends any contemplation to CCP's intentions and stance.
12. YOU ARE HERE.

Boxless
Posted - 2011.06.25 05:58:00 - [2]
 

Informative.

Black Dranzer
Caldari
Posted - 2011.06.25 06:00:00 - [3]
 

Good info.

dkbjitawhore
Posted - 2011.06.25 06:04:00 - [4]
 

Thanks for this post.

Hayaku Codolle
Posted - 2011.06.25 06:04:00 - [5]
 

Originally by: Iamien
Edited by: Iamien on 25/06/2011 05:55:07
Not including links as I don't want to give reason for this thread's closure, please honor this intention.
12. YOU ARE HERE.


13. DEV's in Iceland wake up and smell the ashes... SOON™

Nikita Alterana
Kumiho's Smile
Posted - 2011.06.25 06:06:00 - [6]
 

yeah, very useful.

Acerba Agikor
Amarr
Posted - 2011.06.25 06:06:00 - [7]
 

You forgot one

13. Subscription cancellations

Lugaedh
Posted - 2011.06.25 06:06:00 - [8]
 

Make it sticky.
+1

Zagdul
Gallente
Clan Shadow Wolf
Fatal Ascension
Posted - 2011.06.25 06:10:00 - [9]
 

Edited by: Zagdul on 25/06/2011 06:11:23


13. CCP puts out a new Dev Blog stating that MT items will only ever be vanity. They further apologize to the EVE community and attempt to win our hearts by refunding all AU to people who have purchased a monocle and gift one to everyone with an active account. This action saves EVE and everyone re-subs their alts with renewed faith in CCP.



/wakes up

Reed Tiburon
Caldari
Future Corps
Sleeper Social Club
Posted - 2011.06.25 06:14:00 - [10]
 

We've been insulted every step of the way.

I plan on ****poasting till my subs lapse in August.

It's been grand, guys.

CCP, **** you very much.

Sgt Maru
Clan Shadow Wolf
Fatal Ascension
Posted - 2011.06.25 06:18:00 - [11]
 

Edited by: Sgt Maru on 25/06/2011 06:18:36
Originally by: Zagdul
Edited by: Zagdul on 25/06/2011 06:11:23


13. CCP puts out a new Dev Blog stating that MT items will only ever be vanity. They further apologize to the EVE community and attempt to win our hearts by refunding all AU to people who have purchased a monocle and gift one to everyone with an active account. This action saves EVE and everyone re-subs their alts with renewed faith in CCP.



/wakes up


If only that really happened boss...

Zagdul
Gallente
Clan Shadow Wolf
Fatal Ascension
Posted - 2011.06.25 06:22:00 - [12]
 

Originally by: Sgt Maru
Edited by: Sgt Maru on 25/06/2011 06:18:36
Originally by: Zagdul
Edited by: Zagdul on 25/06/2011 06:11:23


13. CCP puts out a new Dev Blog stating that MT items will only ever be vanity. They further apologize to the EVE community and attempt to win our hearts by refunding all AU to people who have purchased a monocle and gift one to everyone with an active account. This action saves EVE and everyone re-subs their alts with renewed faith in CCP.



/wakes up


If only that really happened boss...
If they did it.

It'd put out the fire.


Iamien
Democracy of Klingon Brothers
Posted - 2011.06.25 06:23:00 - [13]
 

bump

Nullity
Gallente
Posted - 2011.06.25 06:25:00 - [14]
 

Originally by: Sgt Maru
Edited by: Sgt Maru on 25/06/2011 06:18:36
Originally by: Zagdul
Edited by: Zagdul on 25/06/2011 06:11:23


13. CCP puts out a new Dev Blog stating that MT items will only ever be vanity. They further apologize to the EVE community and attempt to win our hearts by refunding all AU to people who have purchased a monocle and gift one to everyone with an active account. This action saves EVE and everyone re-subs their alts with renewed faith in CCP.



/wakes up


If only that really happened boss...

They can't do it as their business model now seems to depend upon MTs.

Joccob
Posted - 2011.06.25 06:25:00 - [15]
 

and bring back spinning ships!!!

Zagdul
Gallente
Clan Shadow Wolf
Fatal Ascension
Posted - 2011.06.25 06:28:00 - [16]
 

the important part is an apology.

they've lost touch so much with us. the disconnect is what is killing this game and the arrogance from the top at CCP is what will be the downfall of it's success.

if they wait too long for an apology, they'll permanently lose the faith of the loyal and optimistic.

I for one am optimistic and hope doods at the top realize that the game they once loved is about to lose it's most important asset...

it's fans.

Amara Godfrey
Posted - 2011.06.25 06:33:00 - [17]
 

TY for the post.

Starkiller Adams
Gallente
Interwebs Cooter Explosion
Important Internet Spaceship League
Posted - 2011.06.25 06:37:00 - [18]
 

0-CCP slowly begins doing things against the wishes of the community

vasuul
Posted - 2011.06.25 06:39:00 - [19]
 

Edited by: vasuul on 03/07/2011 04:16:02
If ccp would answer this one question all the rage and protests would end

WILL CCP START SELLING NON VANITY ITEMS ON NEX(SUCH AS FACTION ITEMS, STANDINGS AND OTHER CHARACTER ADVANCEMENTS)? YES OR NO
"SAY IT AINT SO JOE "


Seriously CCP its all we are asking for is one answer

issue resolved 7-1-11

Ishtanchuk Fazmarai
Amarr
Posted - 2011.06.25 06:39:00 - [20]
 

CCP HELMAR:

Quote:
Currently we are seeing _very predictable feedback_ on what we are doing. Having the perspective of having done this for a decade, I can tell you that this is one of the moments where we look at what our players do and less of what they say. Innovation takes time to set in and the predictable reaction is always to resist change.


THANKS, HELMAR. GONNA SUSPEND MY SUBSCRIPTION.

Zeb DaMadMiner
Interstellar Research Excavation Armada
Tri Sol Syndicate
Posted - 2011.06.25 06:42:00 - [21]
 

Yep, at least for once they wont have to worry about the servers overloading. But instead actually being able to pay the bills.
But out of all that I read, nothing mattered or that's got me ticked or was it even mentioned why.

What was that nobody's seem to realize.
Numerous people are getting PERMABANNED for 'threatenning a member of ccp' when they are only complaining, including the followers of the specific person.
CCP's lost complete sense of reality. - well.. that one's been around forever. But they started to ignore there own CSM's/people that actually connect the company to the players.
That everything added so far, apart from the turrets is exactly what we said not to add - that other matters are needed more attending to than these.

Iamien
Democracy of Klingon Brothers
Posted - 2011.06.25 06:56:00 - [22]
 

bump

Nepcrosia
Posted - 2011.06.25 07:09:00 - [23]
 

very good summary, and I'm surprised at the lack of bias in any of the bullets. I wouldn't have been able to do it.
my last point would have been " hillmar ****s over any possible belief that ccp still cares for its fanbase"

Rho1
Incarna Protest
Posted - 2011.06.25 07:13:00 - [24]
 

Selling advantages in a game means you give us a choice to either pay up to be competitive, or suck it up and under-perform, because we did not pay you for the advantage others paid for.

Accept the single fact, that most people, most your playerbase, do not like games that do that. They rather play games where your in-game power grows with time and effort.

That is going to make a lot of people to quit eve online.

Now, this is where your problems start. Without those people some things will start to get a bit complicated in eve. Market wont be as alive as it is now. Politics will slowly die out. Your community will become a shadow of it's own self. That is going to decrease atractiveness of eve, and it will be harder for you to gain new players. Next year around this time you will be wondering what to do to get people to play eve online, WoD will be still unfinished, and dusk514 will be fiasco, as there is no much dust-eve interaction without eve beeing a thriving world of intrigue and (wait for it) COMPETITION. Reviews of your company at glassdoor.com show that you do not like to listen to criticism, so I guess you need to experience the downfall to learn that you made a bad choice. This is sad, as we liked the game of internet spaceships.

R2 D3
The Executives
Executive Outcomes
Posted - 2011.06.25 07:17:00 - [25]
 

This should be stickied so all persons who are going to the forum and wondering "why does general discussion has so much community wide rage threads" gets his answer.
(Even for CCP that's a good situation that way they actually can see what is going on)

Dren Nas
Caldari
Posted - 2011.06.25 07:18:00 - [26]
 

Originally by: Iamien
Edited by: Iamien on 25/06/2011 05:55:07
Not including links as I don't want to give reason for this thread's closure, please honor this intention.

1. Incarna Launches riddled with hardware performance issues for some as well as exorbitantly priced Clothing/accessory.
2. People rage about prices, and performance.
3. Internal CCP newsletter leaks that strongly suggest non-vanity MT coming to eve.
4. People rage about leaked PDF.
5. CCP Pann makes a thread apologizing for not responding earlier and puts forward that our chief complaint is the prices, which is no longer the case following the leaked PDF.
6. People overwhelmingly flood CCP Pann's thread with the question of whether non-vanity MT will be coming to eve. All CCP say on the point is they cannot answer.
7. In-game protests start aimed at disrupting the trade hubs and spreading word about their concerns.
8. A out-of-character devblog with a by-line of CCP Zulu is posted. The devblog only addressed the PDF in saying that is not a verbatim indication of their plans but is more a discussion. The dev-blog also addresses the prices of the current items, but nothing about the concern of future MT items.
9. Protests/forum rage continues.
10. An eve-radio show with several CSM members(current & past) goes through the issue. CSM members state the the CCP Zulu devblog is out of character and that they have been stonewalled as far as all the recent controversy has been concerned.
11. During the radio show the e-mail of hillmar's is released, which quickly ends any contemplation to CCP's intentions and stance.
12. YOU ARE HERE.


TY for compiling this. Good job.

Teebee
XERCORE
Transmission Lost
Posted - 2011.06.25 07:27:00 - [27]
 

I bookmarked this. Also I have never posted so much!

Vasha Rin
Posted - 2011.06.25 07:33:00 - [28]
 

Very clear, concise summary of the situation. I agree with the timeline.

Iamien
Democracy of Klingon Brothers
Posted - 2011.06.25 07:43:00 - [29]
 

Originally by: Vasha Rin
Very clear, concise summary of the situation. I agree with the timeline.


Yeah I realize not all of EVE players keep themselves in the know to every details that unfolds, this should help.

Vin Hellsing
Posted - 2011.06.25 07:48:00 - [30]
 

Quick and concise. Useful.


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