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Veldah
Minmatar
Native Freshfood
Posted - 2011.07.24 11:04:00 - [151]
 

I have the feeling that EVE was almost abandoned at the moment.

Nothing is added. Old bugs not being worked at. Simple requests of adding functionality to the ui and the game neglected.

And more importantly the gamers are being ignored all the way.

JitaPriceChecker2
Posted - 2011.07.24 11:57:00 - [152]
 

From Minutes

"CCP then brought up Supercaps, and the CSM were basically on the same page. Supercarrier changes were discussed, with everyone agreeing that a fighter- or bomber-only drone bay would be a welcomed change. The CSM agreed that Titans in their current state are fairly balanced, and that the focus should be placed on the Supercarrier. Soundwave and Greyscale noted that the coding involved in such a change would represent a large portion of resources that could otherwise be used for several smaller changes. Given the importance of SCs, the CSM suggested that it was well worth the resources to focus on this one thing and it seemed as though CCP agreed."

So nerfing super caps is considered large portion of resources . Hahahahahahahahaha.

Smoking Blunts
Posted - 2011.07.24 12:18:00 - [153]
 

there are so many fixes that are needed, none requiring art and thats the major hold up all the time aparently.

when do we get the old or simlar hanger back with restored functionality? cos im ****ing bored looking at a door and man barbie dosnt intrest me

Misanth
RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE
Posted - 2011.07.24 17:41:00 - [154]
 

Sister Bliss, you should petition for this to be moved to the Assembly Hall, or make a new post there. In GD it's just gonna wittle and rot away to nothingness.

Meridian Siri
Posted - 2011.07.24 17:58:00 - [155]
 

For those that have not seen this: Stats on account activity by expansion.

tl;dr - uses rolling averages of server activity to gauge the "success" of all expansions to date. Including this one. Definitely worth looking at the table in it at least.

Soi Mala
Whacky Waving Inflatable Flailing Arm Tubemen
Posted - 2011.07.24 18:07:00 - [156]
 

Given that the thread in general paints CCP in a bad light, they'l likely move it to some obscure and unvisited section of the forums, even though the thread doesn't belong there - much like the "door thread", and many other protest threads from the launch day of incarna.

Damage control, don't undock without one.




G 0 D
Posted - 2011.07.24 20:53:00 - [157]
 

Originally by: Meridian Siri
For those that have not seen this: Stats on account activity by expansion.

tl;dr - uses rolling averages of server activity to gauge the "success" of all expansions to date. Including this one. Definitely worth looking at the table in it at least.


Empyrean Age Faction war +0.5% +7.1% -8.5% Major failure
Quantum Rise Nano nerf +18.5% +30.5% +24.7% Major success
Apocrypha Wormholes +11.4% +10.7% +5.7% Success
Dominion Sov changes +13.6% +13.5% +6.4% Success
Tyrannis PI +6.1% +2.6% -0.6% Failure
Incursion Incursions +8.9% +16.8% -5.0% Failure
Incarna CQ -1.8% ??? ??? ???

Interesting link, this was copied and pasted from it. thanks.

Jonathan Ferguson
JC Ferguson and Son Ltd
Ferguson Alliance
Posted - 2011.07.25 00:46:00 - [158]
 

When can we expect a proper expansion with real content? About 6 months after we unsubscribe in sufficient numbers to get a genuine apology and meaningful reversal from CCP. They're watching what we do, not what we say.

If unsubscribing is too drastic for you, but you want to be semi-constructive, then don't participate directly or indirectly in the aurum economy.

People were madder than hell a month ago. NOTHING HAS CHANGED since then. Watch what CCP does, not what they say.

Jonathan Ferguson
JC Ferguson and Son Ltd
Ferguson Alliance
Posted - 2011.07.25 00:52:00 - [159]
 

Originally by: Obviously Confidential
Latest PCU was during 2010 Alliance Tournament, this year even with all the marketing prizes for guessing matches as an incentive to keep people online, they failed to beat it.

...

CCP will find out, they are truly Fearless.


Not only did they fail to beat it, they weren't even in the same area code. stofferninjapirate/Soundwave encouraged people to guess 'about 65 thousand' and the actual number was 56 thousand and change.

BTW, I'm pretty sure it's spelled F-E-C-K-L-E-S-S.

Meridian Siri
Posted - 2011.07.25 03:10:00 - [160]
 

Originally by: G 0 D
Originally by: Meridian Siri
For those that have not seen this: Stats on account activity by expansion.

tl;dr - uses rolling averages of server activity to gauge the "success" of all expansions to date. Including this one. Definitely worth looking at the table in it at least.


Empyrean Age Faction war +0.5% +7.1% -8.5% Major failure
Quantum Rise Nano nerf +18.5% +30.5% +24.7% Major success
Apocrypha Wormholes +11.4% +10.7% +5.7% Success
Dominion Sov changes +13.6% +13.5% +6.4% Success
Tyrannis PI +6.1% +2.6% -0.6% Failure
Incursion Incursions +8.9% +16.8% -5.0% Failure
Incarna CQ -1.8% ??? ??? ???

Interesting link, this was copied and pasted from it. thanks.


NP. I was wondering about the many post of "numbers aren't down". Statistically, it is quite clear that they are. So folks can stfu with that bogus argument. We can speculate as to the reason WHY, but it seems quite clear that the mark has been missed with the last several expansions...at least the players seemed to think so.

Kion Clarix
Rage and Terror
Against ALL Authorities
Posted - 2011.07.25 03:22:00 - [161]
 

Bleh

Valentina Valentia
Caldari
State War Academy
Posted - 2011.07.25 03:32:00 - [162]
 

What is your rush? you haven't anything else going on to do that you have to pester a game company to produce something? CCP will get around to it one of these days, well unless Iceland totally falls apart, if so then there will be a nice server farm for sale on the cheap and a building, some out of work devs and a few lawyers around passing out checks....

It's not like Iceland and CCP are doing real well, financially they may be making some funds but the country is crap, and so don't expect CCP to last long, I give them about 1 year and they will be sold off to someone as the national economy tanks into oblivion and CCP and everything else in Iceland goes to some foreigners to bail out the national debt, when that happens you will either see EVE reborn or die completely depending on who snags it up.

Enjoy each day as you have, some day you may log in to read "EVE is going bye-bye" new content is for healthy economies with working people and positive cash flow... atm, that isn't anywhere in the world... the next big monster movie is "The Debt Monster that ate the human civilization" in 3D with surround screaming.
ugh

Lakuma
Posted - 2011.07.25 03:40:00 - [163]
 

My suggestion is unsub until winter. I have removed 5 of my 6 accounts over the last year (Didn't like Incursions either), but maintain the one so I can post on forums, keep training my main, and of course watch EVE get worst.

In all seriousness, really, if you can't find yourself logging onto EVE with more than one account - unsub the alts and send a clear message that you aren't impressed anymore. Don't think of it as a 'In Your Face CCP' unless you want to, I personally think of it as money in my pocket towards other games or just extra money.

Wait for winter - if it's a serious improvement, bring stuff back online. If not, well you can join me and the droves of now burnt (we already flamed) bitter vets leaving EVE until the next expansion (that likely won't be any better since it's hard to beat a 5 expansion streak of crap).

Starlight Twilight
Amarr
Posted - 2011.07.25 06:03:00 - [164]
 

waiting for CCP response

Abrazzar
Posted - 2011.07.25 07:37:00 - [165]
 

Originally by: Starlight Twilight
waiting for CCP response

Famous last words.

DeBingJos
Minmatar
Goat Holdings
Posted - 2011.07.25 07:51:00 - [166]
 

Originally by: Malcanis
Edited by: Malcanis on 02/07/2011 07:54:40
OK so putting the current shennanigans aside for a moment, let's look at some facts:

CCP told us ~14 months ago that it would :18 months: until we got any substantial new SpaceshipsEVE content (Summer Of Rage '10, etc.). Since when we've had a minor but nice expansion of PvE in the forum of Incursions

After all the Rage, we got a bone thrown to us in the form of Team BFF and Team Gridlock. Both of whom have done genuinely good work; in fact they're the ones who pretty much kept me subscribed between then and now. Team BFF have fixed a surprisingly enormous number of longstanding minor irritants (as well as a few things that didn't need fixing) and generally smoothed off some of the more jagged rusty edges from the user experience.

Team Gridlock have done outstanding work. Everyone who rages about CCP should always include a "...but at least Team Gridlock are improving performance" clause in their manifestos. I'm going to straight out say that in my opinion, general server performance is the best I've ever seen since I've started playing EVE. Lag is better now even than it was in Apocrypha. I'm not saying things are perfect, but if we're being honest, then for fights around the 200-300 level, they're pretty good. You can have a good sized fight and lag is simply not noticeable. If anyone doesn't think that's a massive technical achievement then they should point out some counter-examples.

So while the spaceships game is stagnant content-wise, it's dishonest to say that it has been totally neglected or even that it's not incrementally improving in terms of the core technology.

It sure could have been improved a hell of a lot more if the resources that were poured into walking in waiting rooms had been put into new content, and I'm as disappointed with the return on that investment as anyone here, but that's beyond discussion now. It's happened, and raging about it wont change that.

And most of the resources that have been put into SpaceshipsEVE have been put into the underlying codebase. Which, adorable little ADHD monkeys that we are, we don't really notice, because nothing's different, just incrementally better. Gridlock make a new optimisation that improves TQ performance under strain by 8%, no one says a damb thing. But the fight size limit for optimal performance goes up from 200 people to 216. It's an excellent technical achievement, but we don't really notice it, even though it's happened multiple times in the last year and the dark days of disconnects and desynch with 20 in local have been banished.

I'm told that the new NPE based in Incarna is actually quite nice, but lets face it, EVE isn't going to see - hasn't seen - a massive influx of players because the tutorial looks prettier and you can see your avatar in it. What's going to draw new people in and old people back is new things to do.

So in a weird way, we're in potentially quite a positive situation. We have the core spaceships game, long starved of new content but on a much sounder technological foundation, and CCP now have every incentive to put some new shiny in as soon as they possibly can because they desperately need some new subscriptions. Even if we didn't give two ****s about new content, they'd still be planning to put some in because they absolutely HAVE to.

Some of that new content will be in Incarna. In fact if I had to guess, I'd say that eventually a majority of new content will be, because SpaceshipsEVE is over 8 years old now, and we dont need more ships and we have 7000 systems and we dont really need much more space (some more non-sov 0.0 wouldn't go amiss, mind you.). In comparison, Incarna is a wide-open frontier full of new potential.
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QFT

G 0 D
Posted - 2011.07.25 16:36:00 - [167]
 

Edited by: G 0 D on 25/07/2011 16:36:34
Originally by: Lakuma
well you can join me and the droves of now burnt (we already flamed) bitter vets leaving EVE until the next expansion (that likely won't be any better since it's hard to beat a 5 expansion streak of crap).


Yep

Abriael VonRosen
Caldari
Posted - 2011.07.25 16:50:00 - [168]
 

Edited by: Abriael VonRosen on 25/07/2011 16:52:19
Originally by: Sister Bliss

I believe I have a pretty good idea what the majority wants actually. But I do not claim to speak for you or everyone*. Fact is the majority do not want space barbie, or rather they do not want it at the expense of prioritisation over space ships. Canvas enough of the alliance leaderships in eve and they can tell you the same based on interaction with their own members. But that isn't the point, no need to make a personal attack out of it.


You don't claim to speak for everyone, but you claim to speak for the majority, which is equally faulty.

In any case it's very likely that gameplay-related content will come for sure at least by summer 2012.

Given the gameplay interaction between Eve and Dust, it's very unlikely that Dust will be launched without quite a lot of related content on the Eve side.

Maybe you don't care, but I, for one, look forward to it, as I look forward to see the evolution of Incarna-related content.

Kendon Riddick
Posted - 2011.07.25 16:58:00 - [169]
 

This winter, coming to an eve server near you...

changable door colours.

Yes thats right capsuleers, you can now PICK YOUR OWN.

There will be 7 colours, 3 at first then another a few months later then evetually the remaining colours will be forgottern about.

Cipher Jones
Minmatar
Posted - 2011.07.25 17:18:00 - [170]
 

Everyday I on the forums I see "Apocrypha was the last good expansion".

It was the biggest one, and they cannot possibly release an expansion that big every 6 months. It would contradict Moore's law to the point that you could not play EvE.

And since CCP released it, it has been the 'benchmark' for expansions.

I am not saying that the expansions CCP releases are perfect, but I am saying that what 'the community wants' is impossible to deliver, and should be taken with a grain of salt.

Kendon Riddick
Posted - 2011.07.25 17:23:00 - [171]
 

Originally by: Cipher Jones

I am not saying that the expansions CCP releases are perfect, but I am saying that what 'the community wants' is impossible to deliver, and should be taken with a grain of salt.


CCP constantly wind up the player base like pretending CSM is real.

They ask what we want, we tell them, then we get somthing else anyway.

I didnt join eve X years ago to walk around my station X years later.

I dont expect to get expansions as good as any other expansion, but then if they arnt really adding anything new or revolutionary, just add it to the next expansion instead and be popular with the player base again.

foxnod
Brotherhood of the Coast
Posted - 2011.07.25 17:35:00 - [172]
 

On that graph, has anyone factored in how much of that drop in activity is due to people with multiple accounts running with 1 or 2 less due to the increased hardware reqs from incarna?

Cipher Jones
Minmatar
Posted - 2011.07.25 17:46:00 - [173]
 

Originally by: Kendon riddick
Originally by: Cipher Jones

I am not saying that the expansions CCP releases are perfect, but I am saying that what 'the community wants' is impossible to deliver, and should be taken with a grain of salt.


CCP constantly wind up the player base like pretending CSM is real.

They ask what we want, we tell them, then we get somthing else anyway.

I didnt join eve X years ago to walk around my station X years later.

I dont expect to get expansions as good as any other expansion, but then if they arnt really adding anything new or revolutionary, just add it to the next expansion instead and be popular with the player base again.


They ask everybody what they want and give as much of it as they can. I have seen 24 bazillion posts claiming that CCP did not give what the players asked for, when what they really mean is CCP didn't give them what they asked for.

Kendon Riddick
Posted - 2011.07.25 17:51:00 - [174]
 

Originally by: Cipher Jones
Originally by: Kendon riddick
Originally by: Cipher Jones

I am not saying that the expansions CCP releases are perfect, but I am saying that what 'the community wants' is impossible to deliver, and should be taken with a grain of salt.


CCP constantly wind up the player base like pretending CSM is real.

They ask what we want, we tell them, then we get somthing else anyway.

I didnt join eve X years ago to walk around my station X years later.

I dont expect to get expansions as good as any other expansion, but then if they arnt really adding anything new or revolutionary, just add it to the next expansion instead and be popular with the player base again.


They ask everybody what they want and give as much of it as they can. I have seen 24 bazillion posts claiming that CCP did not give what the players asked for, when what they really mean is CCP didn't give them what they asked for.


You are correct. I like playing eve the way i like to play it, so naturally im going to be inclined to give praise to features that makes my game experience better and negative about ones that arnt.

It frustrates the playerbase however when new features breaks another features that are not even related. The way i like to play the game has changed with this patch and while im unhappy i want to help CCP fix it because like i stated i LIKE THIS GAME :)

Opinions are always going to spew out while theres a public forum to do it on, often doesnt help everyone see the big picute people only click on threads they want to read and no one reads everything.

Trainwreck McGee
Posted - 2011.07.25 17:55:00 - [175]
 

agreed

And on top of that you know CCP will make the Dust changes an expansion and will take like 6 months so we are seriously looking at years for new content.....it is really sad.

I really with perpetumm was not complete garbage.......

Culmen
Caldari
Culmenation
Posted - 2011.07.26 01:09:00 - [176]
 

Originally by: Meridian Siri
Originally by: G 0 D
Originally by: Meridian Siri
For those that have not seen this: Stats on account activity by expansion.

tl;dr - uses rolling averages of server activity to gauge the "success" of all expansions to date. Including this one. Definitely worth looking at the table in it at least.


[t]
Empyrean Age Faction war +0.5% +7.1% -8.5% Major failure
Quantum Rise Nano nerf +18.5% +30.5% +24.7% Major success
Apocrypha Wormholes +11.4% +10.7% +5.7% Success
Dominion Sov changes +13.6% +13.5% +6.4% Success
Tyrannis PI +6.1% +2.6% -0.6% Failure
Incursion Incursions +8.9% +16.8% -5.0% Failure
Incarna CQ -1.8% ??? ??? ???
[/t]

Interesting link, this was copied and pasted from it. thanks.


NP. I was wondering about the many post of "numbers aren't down". Statistically, it is quite clear that they are. So folks can stfu with that bogus argument. We can speculate as to the reason WHY, but it seems quite clear that the mark has been missed with the last several expansions...at least the players seemed to think so.


These are very good numbers, and alot of good research.
But I'm wondering how you're taking into a account the fact that the most recent expansions have all had phased deployment.

Still you can argue, that 3 smaller deployments just doesn't have the same impact as one large one.

Laser Purification
Posted - 2011.07.26 02:09:00 - [177]
 


Good post.

"Phased Deployment" of expansions is just another way of admitting they don't have the resources to put our a real Eve expansion. Likewise I expect the Sov changes coming up to be mostly about tying dust into Eve, something that is probably going to aggravate Eve players far more than it brings new game-play.

There's nothing much that can be done about it though. CCP got over-confident and are now committed to Dust and WoD. There's not going to be enough money for Eve until those launch.

Obsidian Hawk
RONA Corporation
RONA Directorate
Posted - 2011.07.26 05:19:00 - [178]
 

Originally by: Laser Purification

Good post.

"Phased Deployment" of expansions is just another way of admitting they don't have the resources to put our a real Eve expansion.


QFT - CCP is doing the phased deployment after the 13057310 rage threads of large patches breaking, stuff didnt work. boot ini. and the other myriad of tremendous bugs.

NEXT OP - QFT, Soundwave has said in several interviews and there have been plenty of CCP blue posts in other threads that this winter we are going to see a content and balancing overhaul of the game. First focus is fixing 0.0 finally. Next, hybrids, also for this winter engine trails and new cyno affects among other things. NOW if that isnt CONTENT. then please leave eve.

Silas Cooper
Posted - 2011.07.26 06:01:00 - [179]
 

Edited by: Silas Cooper on 26/07/2011 06:04:19
Originally by: Abriael VonRosen
Edited by: Abriael VonRosen on 25/07/2011 16:52:19
Originally by: Sister Bliss

I believe I have a pretty good idea what the majority wants actually. But I do not claim to speak for you or everyone*. Fact is the majority do not want space barbie, or rather they do not want it at the expense of prioritisation over space ships. Canvas enough of the alliance leaderships in eve and they can tell you the same based on interaction with their own members. But that isn't the point, no need to make a personal attack out of it.


You don't claim to speak for everyone, but you claim to speak for the majority, which is equally faulty.

In any case it's very likely that gameplay-related content will come for sure at least by summer 2012.

Given the gameplay interaction between Eve and Dust, it's very unlikely that Dust will be launched without quite a lot of related content on the Eve side.

Maybe you don't care, but I, for one, look forward to it, as I look forward to see the evolution of Incarna-related content.


a) I think a long time alliance leader has a better grasp of what, on average, people want than some SWA nono alt like you.

b) your "very likely" isn't based on any facts, and also; it's a ****ING YEAR AWAY!

c) your dust/EVE related content is, again, pure speculation. Besides, we want updates on SPACESHIPS in this SPACESHIPS game, not some bolted on shooter interaction with the 13 yearold ADHD console crowd


Also, looking at your posting history; dev alt?

Cyber Sensei
Posted - 2011.07.26 13:53:00 - [180]
 

BUMP!


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