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Redneck Logic
Posted - 2011.06.25 01:43:00 - [1831]
 

Come on CCP we want the truth. Just tell us what we want to know. Just answer the questions quite simple really. Shocked

Garreth Vlox
Minmatar
Obsidian Inc.
Posted - 2011.06.25 01:43:00 - [1832]
 

http://www.glassdoor.com/Reviews/CCP-Games-Reviews-E159347.htm

you gotta love it when the employees tell you why their company sucks, the best quote i could find is below in all its awesome glory

"There is a blatant lack of vision and direction for the project I work on and the people leading it are allowed to remain in their position on a basis of friendship rather than competence."

^^ guess that answer the question of why they break the server every ****ing patch, answers why they never fix glitches, hell it answers the question as to how zulu kept his job

Terianna Eri
Red Federation
RvB - RED Federation
Posted - 2011.06.25 01:43:00 - [1833]
 

Originally by: CCP Zulu
Hey all. To clarify this blog, its intent was to address two topics and two topics only;

1. What Fearless is and the nature of its content
2. The pricing strategy behind the NeX store

I do realize there are other concerns you have and those will be addressed, but doing it all at the same time would make the messaging tricky and muddled and not allow for a focused discussion. I understand a lot of the frustration going around but if we want to discuss then we need to do so in a constructive and focused manner.

Thanks,
Arnar


Hey Zulu,

You actually didn't address either of those things. Nor did you address any of the huge issues that your players are actually upset about.
There's no possible way you could have missed these if you looked for them which means you are either unspeakably lazy (indicating that you don't actually care) or deliberately malicious (again, indicating that you don't actually care).

Choke on your monocle,
<3 Teri <3

Fi1ippo
Gallente
The Scope
Posted - 2011.06.25 01:44:00 - [1834]
 

Originally by: M Blanc
Impressive blog. First you complain about your customers, then you patronise and insult them, and to top it all off, you smoothly sidestep the one question they actually want you to answer. In case you missed it, here it is again:

Quote:

Are you moving beyond VANITY AUR items?




Ando Godson
Posted - 2011.06.25 01:44:00 - [1835]
 

I have cancelled my accounts. I may consider returning to Eve if, and only if, microtransactions for non-vanity items are explicitly and unequivocally ruled out.

I can't guarantee that will be enough to get me back, however. The abominable way this controversy has been handled has really made me rethink any loyalty I had to CCP as a brand. A few days ago, I was someone who evangelized your product and would be first in line to buy any new products from CCP. Now I'll take a good long look before purchasing anything from you ever again.

A smug, smarmy, and altogether out of touch response to genuine concerns from the community is troubling in the extreme. I hope to come back to Eve someday, I really do; however, there's some seriously bruised trust that needs to be healed before that can ever happen. I want things fixed, as Eve is one of the most solid experiences and has the most interesting community of any game I've been a part of. The trouble is, I'm not so sure you want things fixed.

I know I'm not the only one who feels this way, but I hope that adding my voice to the din can help communicate that the majority of us are not happy. A lot of us are going to leave over this. I won't hazard to guess how many, but I can't imagine you're happy to see us go. Please, turn things around.

Jessica Autumn
Posted - 2011.06.25 01:44:00 - [1836]
 

So now Investors and stcok holders are more important to a Game Dev then the players of said game, soif theres no players there no CCP or Eve.

Katra Novac
Posted - 2011.06.25 01:44:00 - [1837]
 

Originally by: Caiyuga Onishi
The very second Aurum gets you balance changing items I'm out of here. Exclamation



Why waste your time and money, it'll happen.

Jason Danneskjold
Posted - 2011.06.25 01:45:00 - [1838]
 

Originally by: Alley Specter
Here's what the wider world thinks about your devblog CCP Zulu.

Edited by: Alley Specter on 25/06/2011 01:32:20
Link

Some of the choicer comments on the article (Many of which aren't from Eve players)

"How to loose your customer base 101 is pretty much the course that guy followed."

"not only that, he seems to have also gotten a master degree in "how to lose your future customers"
not touching WoD with a ten foot pole after this"

"I'm amazed. Not even Blizzard are this smug about ****-poor ideas."

"Agreed. Blizzard proved their flexibility, to my satisfaction at least, in their response to the real names on forums fiasco. Yes, it took several days to get one, but in the meantime they were constantly saying "keep posting in the feedback thread, we're listening" and when the response finally DID come, it was from Blizzard's CEO and actually addressed the major complaint as well as a few minor issues surrounding other aspects of Real ID."

"I don't even play EVE regularly but reading the forums the last few days has been morbidly fascinating. Based on what I've seen both before and after the dev blog was posted, very little in the way of actual concerns was addressed, especially regarding the demands for an answer on whether "micro"transactions would indeed eventually encompass non-vanity items.
Sadly, my interest in World of Darkness fades more the longer they mismanage this mess. Especially if it turns out to be pay-to-win ON TOP OF a regular monthly fee, although obviously that's not something that will be known for some time."

"What a shame. Not two days ago I was talking to a friend about my hopes for WoD. Then as news began to break, my interest went completely out the window. "

"the bit about pricing comes across as downright confrontational. The prices are unexpected, and higher than I'd every pay, but getting all defensive about it isn't the way to handle that kind of criticism."


Getting compared negatively to even Blizzard? GG CCP




Come on smart guys... ANSWER TO THE PEOPLE!

Vim
Spiritus Draconis
Posted - 2011.06.25 01:46:00 - [1839]
 

Originally by: Raging George
Just one point, about ****ting on the Dev's who "courageously" took up the pro argument for MT for non-vanity items.

They are not courageous. I've played EVE since December 2006, I've watched CCP Soundwave on EVE TV, and hosting the alliance tournaments for years. I've always thought he was a pretty cool guy who got to go from playing a game he loved to designing a game he loved. And who seemed to be for the player base of EVE and for making EVE more of what it is. The game where hardcore sci-fi gamers can go and do serious business with internet spaceships, and control empires or break them. However all that trust is now gone.

He is either a corporate stooge or part of the group of liars at CCP. There are no other options if he was courageous he would have refused to write that article and suffered any consequences for not going along with the group. He would have been more courageous for doing that when he thought it would be an only internal document not less so.

CCP a lot of smart people work for you. Way more smart people play your game, you built a game where you have to be smart to succeed, don't **** that up.


Hello there.
If anyone should write a document taking the pro MT standpoint and discuss it in EvE terms since everyone you work with knows what eve is, easy to relate to. I feel happy they choose one that can truly see what eve is and what it shouldnt be.
The thing is that all of what soundwave is saying in there is hideous and so anti eve its caused a major ****storm to brew, fueled by forum warrior alts ofc, not presenting the other side for you either, but covering it in tons of angry posts to occlud reason to be heard.
So yeah, soundwave is saying alot of things thats not eve. he knows this, but he is writting it not as Soundwave but as Gordon Gekko for the Gordon Gekko edition.

It is a difference between being told to write **** you dont agree with and put your name on it and coming up with the most hidious arguments and ideas you can think off as part of playing Gordon Gekko for a debatte article intended to cause discussion. Remember school when you had to take a side you didnt agree with and argue for it as exercise? Who better suited then the one who knows the topic best to play the other side.


Gurgeh Morat
Gallente
7th Interval
Posted - 2011.06.25 01:46:00 - [1840]
 

ok well I think my time is definitely about to expire.

Good bye, good night & good luck


Bloodpetal
Mimidae Risk Solutions
Posted - 2011.06.25 01:47:00 - [1841]
 

Originally by: CCP Zulu
Hey all. To clarify this blog, its intent was to address two topics and two topics only;

1. What Fearless is and the nature of its content
2. The pricing strategy behind the NeX store

I do realize there are other concerns you have and those will be addressed, but doing it all at the same time would make the messaging tricky and muddled and not allow for a focused discussion. I understand a lot of the frustration going around but if we want to discuss then we need to do so in a constructive and focused manner.

Thanks,
Arnar


Then why did you ask if you hoped that covered all our concerns?

I want to be constructive, but being dismissed is not constructive. Being given unrealistic examples about $1000 jeans is not constructive.


Please visit your user settings to re-enable images.





Bischopt
Posted - 2011.06.25 01:47:00 - [1842]
 

Edited by: Bischopt on 25/06/2011 01:47:43
lol ccp, really.

I'm not gonna bother reading the whole thread so I'll keep this nice and short to avoid saying the same things everyone else have already said. CCP is giving me no reason to think they're listening or doing anything to please the crowd that's ready to have ccp's head for what it has done so I wont bother being very polite either since I'll most likely be leaving the entire game as a result of CCP's actions.

That devblog didnt answer any questions and was an extremely poor attempt at damage control that just ****ed people off even more. I mean, if you really dont have anything real to say just shut the hell up. The eve community is not stupid enough to be calmed down by your pathetic copy/paste replies that avoid the issues and dodge all the questions. This is not GTA where you can punch people in the face and run around the corner and wait a minute so the police forget about it. Eve community is more like a bunch of elephants, they remember exactly how you f ucked them in the a$$ and they cant wait to fack you back so you'd better come up with something good fast. And you dont need to be a god damn scientist to figure out what that something good is either, just look at the forums and get over your greed.

By the way, I ****ing loved seeing how the player community rallied in major trade hubs to protest today. I love you all long time.

CCP come up with a REAL answer and a REAL solution fast. Not this same old damage control that nobody is buying.

kthx

Jayde Emeraude
Angels of Anarchy
Posted - 2011.06.25 01:47:00 - [1843]
 

Originally by: CCP Zulu
Hey all. To clarify this blog, its intent was to address two topics and two topics only;

1. What Fearless is and the nature of its content
2. The pricing strategy behind the NeX store

I do realize there are other concerns you have and those will be addressed, but doing it all at the same time would make the messaging tricky and muddled and not allow for a focused discussion. I understand a lot of the frustration going around but if we want to discuss then we need to do so in a constructive and focused manner.

Thanks,
Arnar




Posting with my main - this is now a lost cause - listening to EVE Radio with everyone else.

You either fix it or don't - at this point - not sure that you CAN fix it.

Ospie
Ransom and Kill
Core.Impulse
Posted - 2011.06.25 01:47:00 - [1844]
 

Edited by: Ospie on 25/06/2011 01:49:11
No. This blog will simply not do. The player base needs to hear CCP promise not to do MT that will affect gameplay, although we feel a CCP promise is something open to re-evaluation now anyway it would still be the best option.

The prices are still damnright insulting, no I will not pay for any of those. I do not pay for absurd clothing in real life, I think the most expensive items are my dress shoes & suits and they most certainly do not come anywhere near $1000. I'm not poor, I'm not the most well off person in the world, but I'm certainly in the upper-middle bracket.

If CCP is going to leave us over the weekend with that response I think you'll have trouble keeping this game going unless you plan on taking a 180 within the next week.



Oh yes, I DID unsub my accounts yesterday and they WILL stay unsubbed unless you pull that 180 we need you to. I ****ing love this game but it seems CCP does not care.

Finally I love Incarna (NEX aside), however I do not think this was the smoothest patch to go out, it was certainly the patch that you listened to the players the least though.

I DO want Eve to continue to exist and I DO want CCP to succeed however not as this money grabbing hog, but as the old CCP was before it became so out of touch.

Vaju Katru
Posted - 2011.06.25 01:48:00 - [1845]
 

People are making so much noise about this, so ccp is doing something cool :)

Jojo Jackson
Caldari
Posted - 2011.06.25 01:48:00 - [1846]
 

Sorry but this block fails hard.

1) Noone with a bit of brain would ever buy a real Jeans for 1000 except Peris Hilton.
2) Comparing a real world item which has a REAL USE with a fence digital item WITHOUT ANY USE is plain stupid!
3) What the hell are you thinking? Atm people can see just their own avatar. WHY should somebody ever want this item for THAT PRICE??

Zulu should be fired just for this compare.

On top of this we allready pay 15/month to use your product.

It's nothing but a bad attamp of a bad ripoff!

Draqula
Posted - 2011.06.25 01:49:00 - [1847]
 

Guys, please don't shoot the messenger for disicions that Zulu could have no control over.

I work for a very large company (50,000+) and I understand how this kind of stuff can happen. Zulu might just be the poor fellow that drew the straw to try to calm the rage.

On the other hand, I do feel that it quite neglectful to not answer the 10million isk question.

Also, CQ is kicking my machine in the nuts. Please address seperate video settings for CQ if possible.

Valor D'eglise
Gallente
Red Cross Of Gallente Federation
Posted - 2011.06.25 01:49:00 - [1848]
 

Didn't go through the threadnaught, which is basically impossible at this moment which is a shame because CCP will never read for exactly this reason.
However, I wanted to state my discontent with the last Devblog.
I kind of facepalmed. It's sad.

Carli Zandrya
Caldari Provisions
Posted - 2011.06.25 01:49:00 - [1849]
 


This, or some official reply to the current 'rage' (i.e. concerns), needs to be on the front page. You may have noticed that part of the rage comes from a lack of a clear response.

Jannx
Gallente
Posted - 2011.06.25 01:51:00 - [1850]
 

CCP Zulu lies to his CSMs, ****es on his player community and stirs up a bigger ****storm than the one he's been complaining about.

Subscriptions cancelled. Enjoy your Starwars Galaxies meltdown (EVE style).

Caiyuga Onishi
Posted - 2011.06.25 01:52:00 - [1851]
 

Subscription cancelled.

Nemesor
Gallente
Stimulus
Rote Kapelle
Posted - 2011.06.25 01:52:00 - [1852]
 

Edited by: Nemesor on 25/06/2011 03:08:56
Bleh.

Demon Azrakel
Gallente
Defiant..
Narwhals Ate My Duck
Posted - 2011.06.25 01:53:00 - [1853]
 

Originally by: Bob Machugina
Originally by: Garreth Vlox
Originally by: Da Gooch
Edited by: Da Gooch on 25/06/2011 00:17:37

Are you moving beyond VANITY AUR items?



CCP ZULU DO YOU SEE THE QUESTION ABOVE?

CAN YOU READ IT? GOOD, NOW LISTEN UP.. WE DONT CARE ABOUT THE PRICE OF YOUR STUPID HELLO KITTY ****

WE WANT AN ANSWER TO THE QUESTION ABOVE IN YELLOW, CAN YOU COMPREHEND MY ENGLISH??? IF NOT PLEASE REPLY AND I WILL TRY MAKE IT MORE TOWARDS A 5YEAROLDS MENTALITY.



I want all my fellow eve players to quote this and not suggest any other stupid points, this is the only thing that needs a damn answer


Me: ENGLISH MOTHER****ER DO YOU SPEAK IT?
zulu: yes, and incarna is the best patch we've ever done.


Bootleg Greg
Minmatar
Death on Sight
The Devil's Warrior Alliance
Posted - 2011.06.25 01:53:00 - [1854]
 

Just an update, 62 pages of complaints, 1 response from CCP Zulu going on about how we shouldn't get off topic.

puppy fort out

Aria Carna
Posted - 2011.06.25 01:54:00 - [1855]
 

Edited by: Aria Carna on 25/06/2011 01:56:09
I'm usually calm and optimistic but after this devblog I'm starting to worry about EVE future. CCP, tell us is this really your intent? Do you plan to ruin a good game with MT for functional items? Yes or no, please. I honestly don't want to cancel my subscription, but if this happens you'll leave me no choice.

By the way, anybody knows other good sandbox game?

Da Gooch
Posted - 2011.06.25 01:55:00 - [1856]
 

The Butterfly Effect

please read my post if you are one of those people with a complaint outside of the non vanity issue.

Baihuigau
Gallente
Skull Brigade
Posted - 2011.06.25 01:55:00 - [1857]
 

Originally by: Draqula
Guys, please don't shoot the messenger for disicions that Zulu could have no control over.

I work for a very large company (50,000+) and I understand how this kind of stuff can happen. Zulu might just be the poor fellow that drew the straw to try to calm the rage.

On the other hand, I do feel that it quite neglectful to not answer the 10million isk question.

Also, CQ is kicking my machine in the nuts. Please address seperate video settings for CQ if possible.


Its not eve that its the smugness at the answer that he gave, a essential we ccp are right you the customer are wrong, were keeping mt in and either you quit or you eat it up, it was a essentially a big fu were doing what we want and ignoring you the customer.

Serenalen
Caldari
Children of Noah
Posted - 2011.06.25 01:55:00 - [1858]
 

Tried to distill the problem:

"EVE is real" refers to consequences. MT for non-vanity items not made by players means EVE is not 'real.'
...which means EVE is not unique, or special.

@EveOnline Thanks for official response.
@CCP_Manifest <3
@CCP_Fallout <3
@CCP_Zulu The Fearless response makes sense. Screw your $1,000 jeans.

To repeat, yet again: "Are you moving beyond _vanity_ AUR items?"

Horatio Baleine
Posted - 2011.06.25 01:56:00 - [1859]
 

I can't even begin to describe how unsatisfactory that response was, especially considering how long it took. You basically just said get over it. There were a lot of subs riding on that answer. You just lost mine

Dave Hourai
Gallente
The Scope
Posted - 2011.06.25 01:57:00 - [1860]
 

Originally by: Bootleg Greg
Just an update, 62 pages of complaints, 1 response from CCP Zulu going on about how we shouldn't get off topic.

puppy fort out


Hey Greg o/


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