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Randal Eirikr
Posted - 2011.06.24 21:49:00 - [811]
 

Originally by: Lord o'Darkness
Originally by: Cutter Isaacson

ARE YOU GOING TO BE INTRODUCING NON-VANITY ITEMS INTO THE DAMN NEX STORE OR NOT?




This. All you have to do is answer this ONE question.

Eric Deloitte
The Flowing Penguins
Posted - 2011.06.24 21:49:00 - [812]
 

I'm ok with this Dev Blog, the full version of the leaked PDF reads very much like part of a larger discussion and its a discussion I think is right and proper that they had

Even the title

Greed is Good ?

Lays this out it's a question not a statement.

When CCP changed mission loot I was unhappy but it worked out fine
When CCP changed PI I was unhappy but it worked out fine
When CCP changed Agent Standing I was unhappy but it worked out fine
When CCP changed learning skills I was unhappy but it worked out fine

Now CCP have introduced Incarna, I'm not completely happy with it, but fully expect it'll work out fine



Brokers Clone
Amarr
Northgate
Posted - 2011.06.24 21:49:00 - [813]
 

Originally by: Lain Runner
Will CCP try and pull a Star Wars Galaxies NGE stunt on its player base? Stay tuned!


WILL they

Dude, check your Six.... they just DID

kannilaw
Posted - 2011.06.24 21:49:00 - [814]
 

Edited by: kannilaw on 24/06/2011 22:09:13
Edited by: kannilaw on 24/06/2011 22:07:29
Edited by: kannilaw on 24/06/2011 22:01:25
you guys at CCP just don't get it
for years you have told us in your eula that real money trading for in game items is a violation
now you sit here and break your own rules And expect us not to be upset where does it end ????
it is just crappy virtual clothes or are you going to sell the i win button with indestructible ships
truth is you don't even know how far you have opened the flood gate the macros will love this
real money trading crap they will even figure out a way to convert isk back to cash at a rate higher than they are already doing
personally i don't give a crap about clothes or monocles I do give a crap about special implants or guns that you can only get with Aurium
unless you intend to buy out those of us not happy with the way you are running things with real cash for our isk and characters and items etc...etc
Bottom line is this game was not intended to be like all the others real money aside from the subscription fees should not play a part in eve
plex should be used for game time period that system was working fine
If you can't understand why your loyal followers are ****ed off maybe its time you poked your head out of your office and ask the people that pay your salary what they want i will tell you they don't want WOW
They don't want to go bankrupt trying to stay ahead of the curve
In short the players of eve want what they pay for ie..... when is the last time you added more missions or newer ships etc
or opened up a new section of 0.0 space for people to fight over
I have been a loyal player since 2007 But, looking at he way this game is headed its an abyss of the same old same old
We choose to play this game cause it is like no other have 7 accounts that i have started over the years so that i can take advantage of all eve has to offer
this used to be a game of fly by the seat of your pants choose your path and run with it to be the best you can become
I fear now it will be choose your path and hand over your wallet cause thats what CCP cares most about
not giving value like they used to but bilking its subscribers for all they are worth
WILL CCP START SELLING NON VANITY ITEMS ON NEX(SUCH AS FACTION ITEMS, STANDINGS AND OTHER CHARACTER ADVANCEMENTS)? YES OR NO
"SAY IT AINT SO JOE "



Morphisat
Hidden Agenda
Deep Space Engineering
Posted - 2011.06.24 21:49:00 - [815]
 

Why doesn't the freakin' CEO come crawling from under his stone and address his cash cow players ? Too busy counting his money ?

JTK Fotheringham
Dashavatara
Posted - 2011.06.24 21:49:00 - [816]
 

Reposting here...

Just read CCP Zulu's blog. So...

1) The patch was deployed smoothly - yes, credit to you, but then we do have people with melted GPUs, and others just flat refusing to load the content because it interferes badly with game play. Oh, and the bugs, like bombs in low sec. ugh So, yeah, smoothly.

Just to be clear, you are not answering the $6m question - when will you get back to developing EVE, not other games?

2) CCP Soundwave was writing a position paper, give him a break - fair comment, it's not right the he cops the blame for this one, but then, at the most basic level we, the players, are asking for some cerdibility from CCP, and you give us this masterpiece of vagueness on the whole MT question.

So, just to be clear, can we read into this that you don't have a clue what direction your MT policy is going to fall? So wth did you implement a MT Store?

3) $1,000 jeans are a desiable commodity, so are our monocles - eh, but $1,000 jeans weren't the first ever jeans on the market. It took time and effort to mature the market to that point. You created a sandbox, in which we'd love to see the players create $1,000 jeans (!) as part of that immersive game-play experience you keep wittering on about. That still doesn't answer the question of why anyone would sink $70 into a load of pixels.

Honestly, you guys got this one wrong.

-2 Subs. Try again, you've still got me for 5 more days.

Maul555
Amarr
Reliables Inc
BricK sQuAD.
Posted - 2011.06.24 21:49:00 - [817]
 

Originally by: CCP Zulu
Hey all. To clarify this blog, its intent was to address two topics and two topics only;

1. What Fearless is and the nature of its content
2. The pricing strategy behind the NeX store

I do realize there are other concerns you have and those will be addressed, but doing it all at the same time would make the messaging tricky and muddled and not allow for a focused discussion. I understand a lot of the frustration going around but if we want to discuss then we need to do so in a constructive and focused manner.

Thanks,
Arnar


Don't you think that addressing the big ****storm issues first might have been a better idea, and furthermore that letting us know that the big ****storm issues will still be addressed might also have been a good idea?

Do I have to come over there and do your f****ng jobs for you?

Kallynda Nai
Gallente
Posted - 2011.06.24 21:49:00 - [818]
 

Edited by: Kallynda Nai on 24/06/2011 21:58:34
Originally by: CCP Zulu
Hey all. To clarify this blog, its intent was to address two topics and two topics only;

1. What Fearless is and the nature of its content
2. The pricing strategy behind the NeX store

I do realize there are other concerns you have and those will be addressed, but doing it all at the same time would make the messaging tricky and muddled and not allow for a focused discussion. I understand a lot of the frustration going around but if we want to discuss then we need to do so in a constructive and focused manner.

Thanks,
Arnar

Perhaps a better idea would have been to lead off with the things we actually care about? By and large, no one really cares about the price of vanity items. Most (and I include myself here) think that the prices are weapons grade stupidity, but I, for one, wasn't planning on buying anything anyway.

The chief concern of the playerbase is the possibility of monetizing in-game advantages and the royal dogging that the economy would suffer should this idea come to pass. Others have explained--in far greater detail and eloquence than I am capable of conveying--why this is such a Bad Idea so I will not belabor the point. I will say, however, that so much of the ire expressed over the last 24 hours could have been avoided if CCP had clearer and more responsive messaging.

Hopefully, addressing the concerns that actually matter will be handled with much more proficiency (and perhaps in a little less of a smug self contratulatory manner).

Evalon Fury
Posted - 2011.06.24 21:50:00 - [819]
 

Originally by: Gordon Hellbender
As stated by several in this thread: http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1536065

This dev blog is disgusting, condensing, trash.
Never would have expected this.


Not only does it completely miss the point, it actually adds fuel to the fire!
I hope Zulu gets fired because he just cost CCP a LOT of paid accounts.


I dont think Zulu is the problem here.. Its harsh to say he should be fired.. Do you really think this is the document he presented to the management team for approval? I seriously doubt it.. I'm guessing he was not allowed to answer....

Really CCP should be very ashamed of how they have handled this..

Answer the big question.. just that one in yellow.. you know the one...

ArmyOfMe
Hysera.
Posted - 2011.06.24 21:50:00 - [820]
 

Originally by: CCP Zulu
I understand a lot of the frustration going around but if we want to discuss then we need to do so in a constructive and focused manner.

Thanks,
Arnar
yeah, cause you have been doing such a good job of that so far right?

Sirion Fujiwara
Posted - 2011.06.24 21:50:00 - [821]
 


Are you ****ing kidding me??

Address the real issue here!

# Non-vanity items for sale through NeX #

Carmine Lady
Amarr
Sinners.
Yarr Collective
Posted - 2011.06.24 21:50:00 - [822]
 

FUUUUUUCK YOU CCP


GO DIAF.

NOW.



Svennig
Posted - 2011.06.24 21:50:00 - [823]
 

Originally by: CCP Zulu
Hey all. To clarify this blog, its intent was to address two topics and two topics only;

1. What Fearless is and the nature of its content
2. The pricing strategy behind the NeX store

I do realize there are other concerns you have and those will be addressed, but doing it all at the same time would make the messaging tricky and muddled and not allow for a focused discussion. I understand a lot of the frustration going around but if we want to discuss then we need to do so in a constructive and focused manner.

Thanks,
Arnar


Assuming other answers to the multitude of other complaints (that feel pretty ignored right now) are coming:

JUST ANSWER ONE DAMN QUESTION:

NON-VANITY ITEMS IN THE NOBLE STORE, EVER, AT ANY POINT: YES OR NO

Gerome Doutrande
Posted - 2011.06.24 21:50:00 - [824]
 

Thank you for taking the time to elaborately paraphrase "**** you, lolcustomers" in your blog. Your message has been received.

Adunh Slavy
Ammatar Trade Syndicate
Posted - 2011.06.24 21:50:00 - [825]
 

This is your response?

With regards to the internal newsletter, I get it, it's internal and serves as a forum for debate. I have worked in corporations considerably larger than CCP and a few smaller, I saw many such in-zines, made a few myself when I ran a glass-house. I never made the mistake of assuming the subjects in them were there by accident or purposefully filled mine with useless tripe. To make any assumption that your customers do not also have this same realization, in this day of targeted marketing, corporate culture and let's face it, propaganda, is to once again underestimate your customers.

We know why it is being discussed. We are not as stupid as you hope we are. This blog here never answers, or comes close to the main question everyone asked in the most recent 'threadnaught': our most fundamental overriding concern of micro-transactions and the integrity of the sandbox. Zip. We are smart enough to recognize omissions. Pitch forks do not make one stupid, the arrogance of kings and queens on the other hand has often proven fatal. What's worse is, your metaphorical Marie says we should be happy with cake, but the cake is a lie, and so is this blog.


Unsubed a little over a week ago, it was the right decision. Thank you CCP for once again proving me right. On this score, you did not fail to deliver, bravo!

Constantinus Maximus
Paxian Expeditionary Force
Posted - 2011.06.24 21:50:00 - [826]
 

Originally by: Zolacar
Originally by: Lain Runner
Will CCP try and pull a Star Wars Galaxies NGE stunt on its player base? Stay tuned!


I think they just did!


...

Eladaris
Amarr
Excessum Industries
Posted - 2011.06.24 21:50:00 - [827]
 

Originally by: CCP Manifest
CCP Zulu speaks on the Fearless newsletter and Monocles in this dev blog.


Yo Dawg, I herd you like to forumRAEG, so I RAEG'ed on our servers, so you can play with your RAEG inside our forums.

smokeAjoint
Moonshine Industries
Blue Moon Alliance
Posted - 2011.06.24 21:51:00 - [828]
 

Originally by: Ceq Lysander
Quote:

Are you moving beyond VANITY AUR items?








Ryder 3vyn
Posted - 2011.06.24 21:51:00 - [829]
 

wat happund

Boobpatrol
Posted - 2011.06.24 21:51:00 - [830]
 

Originally by: Grog Drinker
Quote:

Are you moving beyond VANITY AUR items?




The one and only thing that matters...

dunnhill
Posted - 2011.06.24 21:51:00 - [831]
 

sigh, what about CQ / people wanting ship spinning back as the cq is buggy? the dev blog didnt say much :/

Marius Rousseau
Posted - 2011.06.24 21:51:00 - [832]
 

As stated by others not a single player conern was addressed in this dev blog. CCP deserve the ****storm to continue for ever...

Tramlaw Trub
Lead Farmers
Kill It With Fire
Posted - 2011.06.24 21:51:00 - [833]
 

Wow. Several players warned us to look out for this. They were right. Damn. Way to not help the situation at all, CCP. The protests and rage will continue unless and until a. You re-commit to vanity-only mt items or b. we get tired of this and leave or suck it up. I know which one you're hoping for. Its probably not the one I'm going to choose, tho.

Badeo Beta
Posted - 2011.06.24 21:51:00 - [834]
 

Originally by: CCP Zulu
Hey all. To clarify this blog, its intent was to address two topics and two topics only;

1. What Fearless is and the nature of its content
2. The pricing strategy behind the NeX store

I do realize there are other concerns you have and those will be addressed, but doing it all at the same time would make the messaging tricky and muddled and not allow for a focused discussion. I understand a lot of the frustration going around but if we want to discuss then we need to do so in a constructive and focused manner.

Thanks,
Arnar



I would like to suggest that it would have been prudent to address some of the other topics first....

Adrian Dixon
Posted - 2011.06.24 21:51:00 - [835]
 

Is this thread for real? I will simply quote my post in the original (201 page) thread, This reply by Zulu is an insult.
Originally by: Adrian Dixon
Edited by: Adrian Dixon on 24/06/2011 21:26:45
The Dev Blog In reply does not touch on a single issue rasied here in this thread. I find the reply completely ignorant.
http://www.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&bid=932
Zulu please make sure every CCP employee reads this document, and every well written post in this thread;
http://eve.beyondreality.se/NeXCQResponse.html

Personaly I will not play this game with Microtransactions of any kind. If Microtransactions are not removed and if we do not get a proper response soon I will not renew my subscription.


Spazz21
Rage For Order
Nihil-Obstat
Posted - 2011.06.24 21:51:00 - [836]
 

He completely missed the point, no one gives a damn about the prices of shirts.

Here, Let me make it really clear in quotes, bold, italic underline of the question everyone wants to know. It can be answered Yes or No. There is no if ands or buts about it.

WILL CCP START SELLING NON VANITY ITEMS ON NEX(SUCH AS FACTION ITEMS, STANDINGS AND OTHER CHARACTER ADVANCEMENTS)? YES OR NO

Elondris Singh
Gallente
Posted - 2011.06.24 21:51:00 - [837]
 

Originally by: CCP Zulu
Hey all. To clarify this blog, its intent was to address two topics and two topics only;



At the expense of the MOST STRESSED POINT in over 5000 posts?!? How about you address the biggest issue one nearly Everyone's mind!

Originally by: CCP Zulu

1. What Fearless is and the nature of its content



Fine!


Not happy about it, but fine, whatever.

Originally by: CCP Zulu

2. The pricing strategy behind the NeX store

I do realize there are other concerns you have and those will be addressed, but doing it all at the same time would make the messaging tricky and muddled and not allow for a focused discussion. I understand a lot of the frustration going around but if we want to discuss then we need to do so in a constructive and focused manner.

Thanks,
Arnar


Then tell us how! Don't wait 2 days, gives us a post from Pann saying "hang on! we're on it!" Followed up by your DevBlog, which is a null - it has not substance to it except to say "haha, you guys don't get it! you're so funny!"

Followed by THIS post which basically says "I KNOW I just skipped over the most important topic, but CCP and the community need to communicate more!"

There is no Communication going on! You're not hearing anything we say.


Lili Lu
Posted - 2011.06.24 21:51:00 - [838]
 

How can you equate pretend electonic space pants with rl pants made of fiber and rivets or whatever? THey should not cost the same. Do parents pay $60-80 for barbie pants? No. Likewise, good like trying to fund your company on the 2 or 3 fools without children willing to spend that amount on your pretend electonic space pants. Seriously, wtf.

Calistai Huranu
Red Federation
RvB - RED Federation
Posted - 2011.06.24 21:51:00 - [839]
 

Originally by: Don Pellegrino
Edited by: Don Pellegrino on 24/06/2011 21:02:44
You still haven't repeated your commitment to never bringing non-vanity MT's, but it doesn't matter.

A long-term MMO like Eve is built on trust.

Why should I keep investing time, effort and money into this game to someday achieve great things if the game MIGHT NOT be worth playing in 6 months?

CCP has shown many times that its promises are meaningless.

The only thing now that you can do is DELIVER. Your words have no value and won't stop the exodus. The time to promise to never bring non-vanity MTs is gone, you can't even reiterate promise, but it doesn't matter because we don't trust you anymore, anyway.

Only your ACTIONS could change something.

Remove the Noble Exchange, give players back the PLEX's they have spent on Aurum and make all the Noble Store content free for everyone.
Then, add a "Disembark Ship" button to make CQ OPTIONAL. If Incarna is good, players will use it, don't make us vomit it to your face by trying to force it down our throat.

That should be enough to stop the bleeding until the next time you **** because we all know you are too stubborn to do what the CSM tells you and to learn from your mistakes.

It takes years to build trust and just a few seconds to destroy it.

That devblog isn't addressing the elephant in the room.


+1, so this.

BugraT WarheaD
Astromechanica Federatis
Posted - 2011.06.24 21:51:00 - [840]
 

THE BLOG IS A LIE



Btw ... I never read something with so much dishonesty written by you guys ...

So sad week end ...


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