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HarveyBirdman Esquire
Posted - 2011.06.24 20:05:00 - [1]
 

Apologies if you don't want your real name used Kris, I'd prefer to use your CCP name but it wasn't brought up in the article. Also, no hard feelings. I'm sure you're a great guy and a hard worker and while I disagree with your decision to push MT in the direction it is currently going, I have nothing but gratitude for your hard work on behalf of the community over the years. I'm sure this sentiment is shared by all players who will voice an opinion in this thread, yea or nay.

Unfortunately, we've all read the newsletter. And as you're the driving force behind something that has enraged players and caused riots in game that have shut down Jita, well, the question has to be asked.

So, should the CSM ask Kris to resign?

NOTE: I will not be voting either way. I don't want to take a stand on the issue, I just want to ask the question. I'd like to be able to buy stuff, and that means getting the riots to stop.

Gothikia
Regeneration
Posted - 2011.06.24 20:09:00 - [2]
 

Yes, he should be asked to resign from his current position. I don't think it would be necessary for him to leave CCP entirely. Just get him out of game design as he obviously can't be trusted with it.

Malcorath Sacerdos
Posted - 2011.06.24 20:49:00 - [3]
 

yes

MT is a bad idea and heads shuld roll ..

Covert Kitty
Amarr
SRS Industries
SRS.
Posted - 2011.06.24 23:10:00 - [4]
 

he should go to dust or that other game they are working on. Do your MT over there, not in EVE.

FawKa
Gallente
x13
Raiden.
Posted - 2011.06.24 23:19:00 - [5]
 

It is beyond me why people like yourself always makes a post about fireing people.

Do you lack power in your real life or what's going on here?

There has probably been way WAY worse ideas on the table at CCP's that you don't know of - from people who in the end made features you are endlessly happy for.
You sir, tell me that you would have fired them. It would put a sudden stop to the 'idea making' at CCP if you get fired for making a bad one.

I feel bad for you :)
Sorry for the gramma and all, I'm dead tired ^^

Tipsy McStagger
Posted - 2011.06.24 23:28:00 - [6]
 

well, I think that might be a little drastic.. MT for now are completely cosmetic and its for the idiots who want to spend money on them.
I'm not ****ed about that... I'm ****ed at the fact they haven't even attempted to fix the major problems with the game. They're just ignoring huge faults to bring us station walking. I feel like i got slapped in the face by all the money i've spent on eve over the years.

Soden Rah
Gallente
EVE University
Ivy League
Posted - 2011.06.24 23:35:00 - [7]
 

No. And this thread should be locked.

HarveyBirdman Esquire
Posted - 2011.06.25 01:52:00 - [8]
 

Edited by: HarveyBirdman Esquire on 25/06/2011 01:55:45
Hey, I haven't said anything either way on it. I'm asking the question. He's a good guy and I'd hate for him to be hurt, but I'm also being hurt here.

All I want to do is be able to log in and get back to game as usual. If that's what it takes, then that's what it takes.

edit: Plus, if the thread goes with No, and it's clear that's there's not much interest in it either way, then he's in the clear. That'd also be good in my opinion.

I want to be blunt. I'm not calling for his scalp. I want to find out if his scalp will settle things. It's clear it won't, so that's that. Thread can be locked, yay.

Max Sellmore
HMYOFB
The Ronin Brotherhood
Posted - 2011.06.25 01:58:00 - [9]
 

Originally by: FawKa

..sip attack...
There has probably been way WAY worse ideas on the table at CCP's that you don't know of - from people who in the end made features you are endlessly happy for.
You sir, tell me that you would have fired them. It would put a sudden stop to the 'idea making' at CCP if you get fired for making a bad one.


Although I don't agree with the slight on the OP, I do agree with the logical part of the statement. "Off with his Head" is not a valid tactic else all innovation stops. It might be politic to move the offender out of the public eye, but that would be the worst that should happen, unless hs behavior becomes a trend. ugh

Mattio11
Quantum Cats Syndicate
Posted - 2011.06.25 02:39:00 - [10]
 

Edited by: Mattio11 on 25/06/2011 02:50:35
The OP and any of the posts that support it are a DISGRACE.

Naive and selfish players!

(good work players who are flaming the OP)


If game designers are to be fired for making poor decisions then creativity and all possible innovations for the future are doomed.

BUT it ISN'T EVEN a bad decision in the first place.

The game developers have not only a responsibility to look after their players, but they must also generate a sustainable income for their company - so that staff can get paid and put food on the table for their families. There is nothing wrong with vanity items and microtransactions being introduced into the game (so long as it doesn't lead to player/character enhancing items - CCP has said this won't happen).

Originally by: Darryl Ward
The nice thing about the vanity items is they are stupid and you don't have to buy them.

And this may be a huge shocker, but CCP is a company, it does have to make money to provide Eve for us, and its employees expect to be paid. I don't see why CCP's attempts to make money is a reason for us to get mad. Some people will buy those vanity items, good for them. I won't be. As for the rest of the charges, speculating about +9 implants and Noble Faction ammo doesn't do anyone any good because it's not based on facts.


The amount of crap some people give ccp is disgusting. CCP has worked VERY HARD for many years to give us the game we all love; and they've given us many many expansions for FREE! You have NO right to start such a thread and YOU SIR should be banned!

Pleas lock this thread.

Seamus Donohue
Gallente
Posted - 2011.06.25 02:51:00 - [11]
 

Not supported.

Originally by: FawKa
There has probably been way WAY worse ideas on the table at CCP's that you don't know of - from people who in the end made features you are endlessly happy for.
You sir, tell me that you would have fired them. It would put a sudden stop to the 'idea making' at CCP if you get fired for making a bad one.
I agree with this post, but only insofar as I have quoted it.

In general, I am extremely skeptical of microtransactions to non-vanity items, leaning towards opposition.

FawKa
Gallente
x13
Raiden.
Posted - 2011.06.25 02:56:00 - [12]
 

Originally by: Seamus Donohue
Not supported.

Originally by: FawKa
There has probably been way WAY worse ideas on the table at CCP's that you don't know of - from people who in the end made features you are endlessly happy for.
You sir, tell me that you would have fired them. It would put a sudden stop to the 'idea making' at CCP if you get fired for making a bad one.
I agree with this post, but only insofar as I have quoted it.

In general, I am extremely skeptical of microtransactions to non-vanity items, leaning towards opposition.


Agreed Seamus.
I have also voted no to the whole MT thing but this is imo out of line.

OP @ It honestly doesn't matter if you "just ask the question".

Cobbo8
Posted - 2011.06.25 11:29:00 - [13]
 

Granted its a poo idea, but he shouldn't get the sack for it, we all have crappy ideas give him a break fellas

Swynet
State War Academy
Posted - 2011.06.25 11:47:00 - [14]
 

Originally by: HarveyBirdman Esquire
Apologies if you don't want your real name used Kris, I'd prefer to use your CCP name but it wasn't brought up in the article. Also, no hard feelings. I'm sure you're a great guy and a hard worker and while I disagree with your decision to push MT in the direction it is currently going, I have nothing but gratitude for your hard work on behalf of the community over the years. I'm sure this sentiment is shared by all players who will voice an opinion in this thread, yea or nay.

Unfortunately, we've all read the newsletter. And as you're the driving force behind something that has enraged players and caused riots in game that have shut down Jita, well, the question has to be asked.

So, should the CSM ask Kris to resign?

NOTE: I will not be voting either way. I don't want to take a stand on the issue, I just want to ask the question. I'd like to be able to buy stuff, and that means getting the riots to stop.


He should stay but you should definitively get an IP/CC ban for this disrespect.

You don't like it? -don't buy it!


Kaelie Onren
Minmatar
Posted - 2011.06.25 18:19:00 - [15]
 

Of course not. The guy did nothing wrong.

People rioting in Jita isn't even a significant event. I mean, this is classic selective bias. Just because 3000 odd holigans protest in Jita because they have nothing better to do, doesn't mean anything if you consider the 300,000 people who aren't protesting.

I feel that capitalism is under attack here, which is sad.

Naomi Knight
Amarr
Posted - 2011.06.25 18:38:00 - [16]
 

Originally by: Kaelie Onren
Of course not. The guy did nothing wrong.

People rioting in Jita isn't even a significant event. I mean, this is classic selective bias. Just because 3000 odd holigans protest in Jita because they have nothing better to do, doesn't mean anything if you consider the 300,000 people who aren't protesting.

I feel that capitalism is under attack here, which is sad.

capitalism is for the noobs ,greed shouldnt be tolerated ever

Geo Wahs
Posted - 2011.06.25 23:50:00 - [17]
 

"In fact, I'd like to sell a lot more than vanity items."


Dont think he should be fired for this, but hope he feels he has had a kick up the arse from players regarding it. Thank god we got a view of whats going on

Poetic Stanziel
Gallente
Macbeth Transport and Freight LLC
Posted - 2011.06.26 00:01:00 - [18]
 

Not supported

Calling for the resignation of any CCP employee is irresponsible.

Besides, CCP Soundwave is a good guy and a funny as hell guy.

GeeShizzle MacCloud
Caldari
Posted - 2011.06.26 00:09:00 - [19]
 

i dont know how far kris's actual standpoint on MT's are above and beyond vanity and quality of life items...

...if what the newsletter says is accurate i wouldnt put it past him to be the one pushing for performance based MT's in Eve.

and if thats the case i want him out of ccps offices, but i dont want to jump to conclusions at such a skeptical time in eve onlines life.

Poetic Stanziel
Gallente
Macbeth Transport and Freight LLC
Posted - 2011.06.26 00:30:00 - [20]
 

Originally by: GeeShizzle MacCloud
... but i dont want to jump to conclusions at such a skeptical time in eve onlines life.


The reasonable people seem to be congregating this thread. All 10 of us.

Irn VanBru
Posted - 2011.06.26 09:07:00 - [21]
 

Thou im against about 60% of this expantion, he should not be sacked, who in there own way, hasnt made a balls up of something, and moreso from that leaked pdf, which was a hypothetic argument on the pros and cons of AUR.

Anybody of the other guys at CCP would be in the same place hahd CCP Soundwave not do it.

So he's became somthing of a fall guy. Crying or Very sad




J Kunjeh
Gallente
Posted - 2011.06.26 10:15:00 - [22]
 

To the OP: No...and stop wasting forum space with terrible troll threads like this one.

Beata Sballanza
Posted - 2011.06.26 14:52:00 - [23]
 

stop use alts to troll the treads ccp! Laughing

TamiyaCowboy
Caldari
KRAKEN FLEET
Posted - 2011.06.26 16:26:00 - [24]
 


NO

we all should have a second chance and ccp kris should also have a second chance.

we all make mistakes be it in the real world or in a virtual world. we learn for the mistakes we make and i think CCP have learned the hard way, there are issues

: PAY !! 30% less was quoted

: MT /Vanity / game changing items

: real clear and openness Where they want eve to go

so No CCP kris should have a second chance as we all make mistakes, say and/or type things we really do not think about first.

i spent 5yrs listening to CCP playing eve and learning, things i do miss are ouver in local and likes, they used to answer questions in game etc etc , but not any more.
i also understand walking inside station is not easy task to build from scratch, we have to give ccp props we have waited for nearly 5yrs, they could have made us wait longer.

where ccp came undone was Patching/releases. two a year+ is no good, please revert back to one expansion a year, this gives teams more time to give players what we require, also allows coders, designers and everyone in CCP to not be so pressed.

PAY : this needs sorting so stop trying to do 10 things at once, you and your personel are humans not computers.

so Kris deserves a second chance in life like us all !!

Cronides
Posted - 2011.06.26 16:57:00 - [25]
 

A game is entertainment not real life if you donít like what you see youíre free to go STOP acting like 8 year old


 

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