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Javelin6
Dirt Nap Squad
Posted - 2011.06.24 17:04:00 - [1]
 

Tippia thank you for your excellent response that sums up what most of think.

http://eve.beyondreality.se/NeXCQResponse.html

Mamayev Kurgan
Posted - 2011.06.24 17:09:00 - [2]
 

+1 Monocle! (that's way more than 1)

Dr Jan Itor
Posted - 2011.06.24 17:11:00 - [3]
 

Read this earlier. +1

Khamelean
Posted - 2011.06.24 17:26:00 - [4]
 

Supported, while i don't agree on all points, it is good to see clearly defined constructive criticism.

Tippia
Caldari
Sunshine and Lollipops

Posted - 2011.06.24 17:38:00 - [5]
 

Thank you. Smile

Othran
Brutor Tribe
Posted - 2011.06.24 17:41:00 - [6]
 

Originally by: Tippia
Thank you. Smile


Good post, I'd keep your head down ATM though. CCP have lost the plot.

Tichu Tilyon
Ordo Drakonis
Nulli Tertius
Posted - 2011.06.24 17:44:00 - [7]
 

Originally by: Javelin6
Tippia thank you for your excellent response that sums up what most of think.

http://eve.beyondreality.se/NeXCQResponse.html


Well written, and it touches all the problems!

GJ Tippia

Town Bike
Caldari
Posted - 2011.06.24 17:46:00 - [8]
 

Really good job.

Mag's
the united
Negative Ten.
Posted - 2011.06.24 17:47:00 - [9]
 

Very well worded as always bud. Cool

Sarina Berghil
Minmatar
New Zion Judge Advocate
Yulai Federation
Posted - 2011.06.24 17:47:00 - [10]
 

+1

Ancy Denaries
Posted - 2011.06.24 17:48:00 - [11]
 

Btw, Tippia, you still owe me cab money. *runs away laughing*

Jokes aside, that is a fantastically well put together post. Huge kudos!

Solstice Project
Posted - 2011.06.24 17:50:00 - [12]
 

Edited by: Solstice Project on 24/06/2011 17:51:18
*thumbsup* ^^

How do i do a thumbsup ?


Mia Aires
Posted - 2011.06.24 17:50:00 - [13]
 

+1 Tippia

I'm looking through my monocle and I see a future with you and John Turbefield abreast

Frau Klaps
Amarr
Posted - 2011.06.24 17:50:00 - [14]
 

Originally by: Tippia
Thank you. Smile

Lets meet up in game to discuss this and other concerns.

Yours,

Frau Klaps

jk scowling
Sane Industries Inc.
Initiative Mercenaries
Posted - 2011.06.24 17:51:00 - [15]
 

Well written.

Karia Sur
Posted - 2011.06.24 17:52:00 - [16]
 

+1

Tippia
Caldari
Sunshine and Lollipops
Posted - 2011.06.24 17:52:00 - [17]
 

Originally by: Frau Klaps
Originally by: Tippia
Thank you. Smile
Lets meet up in game to discuss this and other concerns.

Yours,

Frau Klaps
You'd like that, wouldn't you… meanies! Razz

Frau Klaps
Amarr
Posted - 2011.06.24 17:55:00 - [18]
 

Originally by: Tippia
Originally by: Frau Klaps
Originally by: Tippia
Thank you. Smile
Lets meet up in game to discuss this and other concerns.

Yours,

Frau Klaps
You'd like that, wouldn't you… meanies! Razz


An older autistic boy made me do it Embarassed

(P sure he is younger than me)

Cameron Freerunner
Posted - 2011.06.24 17:56:00 - [19]
 

Good read.

Hey Jav!

Aessaya
Fairlight Corp
Rooks and Kings
Posted - 2011.06.24 18:06:00 - [20]
 

Thank you for this. Now we have to think on how to get this to CCP. Maybe print it out on a hardcopy and snailmail it to their HQ in iceland? Will take some time for sure, but sure would make a point!

Grimpak
Gallente
Midnight Elites
Echelon Rising
Posted - 2011.06.24 18:17:00 - [21]
 

hell and now we only have TippiaSad


I'm gonna miss Liang

Bantros
Noir.
Posted - 2011.06.24 18:19:00 - [22]
 

Next on the chopping board

Teinyhr
Minmatar
A Club for Reputable Gentlemen
Posted - 2011.06.24 18:20:00 - [23]
 

So he ends his words in "You no longer have the confidence of the community."

I'd appreciate if you wouldn't put your words in my mouth, Tippia. CCP still has my vote of confidence, as it always has had.

I do appreciate if players put pressure on the game developers on not living up to their promises, but 99% of this **** is "**** CCP" "I'm quitting and taking my bazillion accounts with me", generally meaningless rage and even (likely meaningless) death threats, but that's bit too serious for internet spaceships in any case. So good for you Tippia trying to voice your opinions in a nice way. But I'd still appreciate if you and other people wouldn't assume they're talking for all the community, when in fact they're not.

Ay Liz
Sacred Templars
RED.OverLord
Posted - 2011.06.24 18:25:00 - [24]
 

Yeah, this pretty much sums up all my issues and concerns regarding Incarna and the possible future.

Di Mulle
Posted - 2011.06.24 18:28:00 - [25]
 

Just have read it, great writing. Lives up to your reputation - at least my personal one Very Happy.
Congrats and thanks for good job.


Futile Attractor
Minmatar
Dirt Nap Squad
Posted - 2011.06.24 18:32:00 - [26]
 

+1

Somehow Incarna has introduced 0 lag to my CQ experience and a constant stutter to my spaceship flying experience.

Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
Posted - 2011.06.24 18:36:00 - [27]
 

Originally by: Tippia's sig
“We want to try this thing called micro-transactions, but we don't know what it is. Can anyone explain… aw screw it, let's just do it! What could go wrong?”
— €€P

Indeed Laughing

They could have actually sold it to us, slowly, if they would have proceeded very carefully and started extremely cautiously, with some things that would draw people in at minimal prices... but most importantly, without screwing up a lot of other things in the process just to promote the "environment" in which all of the hurried, overpriced ones were first introduced.
But since they hurried like mad (not even getting the damn stuff to work right for everything that would have been nice to have) and used ridonkulous prices (seriously...) and didn't even bother to really take their own colleague's objections into account properly (see leaked newsletter), we're faced with the crapstorm of the past few days.

That quote above says about as much but in far less words.
The link in the OP says mostly the same but in far, far, far more words.
READ IT !

Ancy Denaries
Posted - 2011.06.24 18:37:00 - [28]
 

Originally by: Teinyhr
So he ends his words in "You no longer have the confidence of the community."

I'd appreciate if you wouldn't put your words in my mouth, Tippia. CCP still has my vote of confidence, as it always has had.

I do appreciate if players put pressure on the game developers on not living up to their promises, but 99% of this **** is "**** CCP" "I'm quitting and taking my bazillion accounts with me", generally meaningless rage and even (likely meaningless) death threats, but that's bit too serious for internet spaceships in any case. So good for you Tippia trying to voice your opinions in a nice way. But I'd still appreciate if you and other people wouldn't assume they're talking for all the community, when in fact they're not.
He said "the community". Not you. While you are a part of the community, clearely the community as a whole definately does not trust CCP anymore. I see where you are coming from, but in this case I agree with Tippia.

Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
Posted - 2011.06.24 18:51:00 - [29]
 

Originally by: Teinyhr
So he ends his words in "You no longer have the confidence of the community."
I'd appreciate if you wouldn't put your words in my mouth, Tippia. CCP still has my vote of confidence, as it always has had.
[...]


To be fair, until 2-3 years ago, making money hasn't stopped them from delivering what was, for better or worse, one of the best if not the best MMOs of that day.
In spite of a slow but heavy shift from "game first, cash second" to "cash first, game second", it still is one of the better MMOs of today.
I would not dare to call it "the best" anymore though, not at this time.
And even calling it "one of the best" already starts feeling a tad bit forced.
The big problem is, CCP seems to be caught in a situation where external forces make them emphasize the "cash" part more and more at the detriment of the "game" part, and there's not much of a chance of it stopping, let alone reversing in time to have EVE remain in the top of desirable MMO experiences.
It might take a couple more years for sure, and they MIGHT pass this hurdle... or they might not.

The question is, how could they go from a "build it right and they will come, and they will pay for it handsomely" mentality towards an even dangerously close to a "build something shiny and advertise it heavily hoping somebody comes, and fleece them for all they got" approach in such a relatively short amount of time ?
And do we, as the OLD customers, still trust them to stop and go back ?
I sadly doubt that.

The big problem however is... do you really think they'll really miss us, financially speaking ? If anything, this would encourage them to push in the "morally wrong" direction even more to cover the lost revenue, and they MIGHT ACTUALLY PULL IT OFF.
If they can pull it off, and new (slightly more ADD-ed) blood replaces and surpasses the cashflow volume that the old guard could have ever provided, do you think they'll ever have a reason to go back ?

Sadly, this is a lose-lose situation for the players.
And not really much we can do about it.
Eve is not dead, it's not dying either, but it's turning into something we no longer like so much anymore.
Then again, what isn't ?

Zagdul
Gallente
Clan Shadow Wolf
Fatal Ascension
Posted - 2011.06.24 18:52:00 - [30]
 

thank you Tippia

however as you stated in your document, CCP has created such a disconnect with it's community that I doubt this will be not only read, but understood by the right people. your words of advice I feel speak for the majority of the complaining right now. I get where ccp are going and appreciate what they are trying to do, but the way they're going there will lose what got them their income/game in the first place.

good effort. if only they'd listen/read.

IMO, if this is to be heard by CCP higher ups, your document needs to be presented to them in the form of a round table.

see if you could get the CSM involved.


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