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Elrica bloodbane
Posted - 2011.06.26 14:29:00 - [211]
 

Edited by: Elrica bloodbane on 26/06/2011 14:32:20
Originally by: Captain Mastiff
Let's not forget the original owner of T'Amber

He walked out in protest and it looks like this was the reason why...




And for that he should have every bodies respect.

BUT if that is the reason. THEN THE CSM MUST HAVE KNOWN about this.
Can't have it both ways. Evil or Very MadEvil or Very MadEvil or Very Mad

The CSM should unsub from the corporate sh*t management group.

Jayde Emeraude
Angels of Anarchy
Posted - 2011.06.26 14:40:00 - [212]
 

The CSM's were sent a copy of the blog that was going to be released - CSM's advised them quite strenuously to NOT put that out.

CCP did it anyway.

Point being - CSM's are CCP Fluff - they make a good showing by electing "token gamers voices" but when it comes down to it - it's F*** you, we're going to do what we want anyway.

There is no point in the CSM's even trying now. They haven't been able to reach CCP - I would agree that CSM's should just go - CCP won't hear you anyway.

Pyro Miner
Dutch Powerrr
Posted - 2011.06.26 14:44:00 - [213]
 

never had fait in csm setup anyways

yust stupid pr thinghy wich doesnt do crap

Kerrisone
Posted - 2011.06.26 14:45:00 - [214]
 

I support the CSM in walking out OR writing/calling CCP to yell at them. You know, whatever they decide to do so long as it isn't trying to sell us out to CCP.

Maverick2011
Caldari
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Posted - 2011.06.26 14:47:00 - [215]
 

Edited by: Maverick2011 on 26/06/2011 14:47:13


Originally by: Ghoest
These guys get free vacations and beer parties. I dont think they are going anywhere.


This. They dont care about their roles, they just want freebies really. You really think they will do this? Dont be naive.

Lederstrumpf
Posted - 2011.06.26 14:52:00 - [216]
 


Mark Raynor
Caldari
Posted - 2011.06.26 14:54:00 - [217]
 

OP has it wrong, wrong, wrong.

The CSM has been talking to CCP. They've been telling them what's needed. CCP has been ignoring them.

It's been pointed out by former CCPers that there is a certain resistance to hearing negative criticism. Why should now be any different?

For all that I'm shocked to do so, I'll stand by the CSM, inlcuding this CSM, for the work they're trying to do, even though their efforts are not being matched by CCP, it seems. (God, I can't believe I'm defending Mittens. Next thing you know the Detroit Lions will win the Superbowl.)

Dograzor
The Black Rabbits
The Gurlstas Associates
Posted - 2011.06.26 14:55:00 - [218]
 

Originally by: Rusty Rush
Originally by: The Mittani
Originally by: Asmodeus Et'Mort
So we have six pages of posts asking the CSM to resign and prcious little response from them.

Are the CSM taaking lessons in PR management from CCP?

Is rotten shark so good you really want to go back to iceland?

Resign and put this in the national press instead of just the gaming press.


this thread is gay and i don't give a **** what you think, p. much vOv

+
~toodles~


You dun ****ed up bro! Good luck running for the next CSM (if EVE still alive that is.)


Oh don't worry, if there is a next time, Goonswarm alone will vote him in anyways ;)

larry hotter bigpants
Posted - 2011.06.26 15:27:00 - [219]
 

Originally by: Dograzor
Originally by: Rusty Rush
Originally by: The Mittani
Originally by: Asmodeus Et'Mort
So we have six pages of posts asking the CSM to resign and prcious little response from them.

Are the CSM taaking lessons in PR management from CCP?

Is rotten shark so good you really want to go back to iceland?

Resign and put this in the national press instead of just the gaming press.


this thread is gay and i don't give a **** what you think, p. much vOv

+
~toodles~


You dun ****ed up bro! Good luck running for the next CSM (if EVE still alive that is.)


Oh don't worry, if there is a next time, Goonswarm alone will vote him in anyways ;)


all this really shows is that the CSM is really worthless and they have the same attitude as CCP. May as well not exist at all.

MaiLina KaTar
Posted - 2011.06.26 15:30:00 - [220]
 

Edited by: MaiLina KaTar on 26/06/2011 15:31:33
Originally by: Mark Raynor
The CSM has been talking to CCP. They've been telling them what's needed. CCP has been ignoring them.

Talk doesn't matter at this point. Everybody can talk. Again, if you don't let the hammer fly you might aswell shut your gob.

Quote:
For all that I'm shocked to do so, I'll stand by the CSM, inlcuding this CSM, for the work they're trying to do, even though their efforts are not being matched by CCP, it seems.

Fair enough.

However, CSM is supposed to represent. Otherwise the whole charade is useless. If they stick around and continue to suck CCP's balls then this sends a clear and very representative message: "We'll ***** and moan and set up useless 'protests' in Jita. That's it. Lot of barks, no bites." It proves that Hilmar is actually right in calling this "community" a bunch of crybabies.

It's time to put your money where your mouth is. If these so-called community reps don't let their actions do the talking now, then that reveals them for what they actually are: A bunch of glorified fanboys. PR tools.

Yabba Addict
Posted - 2011.06.26 15:36:00 - [221]
 

Originally by: Mark Raynor
OP has it wrong, wrong, wrong.

The CSM has been talking to CCP. They've been telling them what's needed. CCP has been ignoring them.

It's been pointed out by former CCPers that there is a certain resistance to hearing negative criticism. Why should now be any different?

For all that I'm shocked to do so, I'll stand by the CSM, inlcuding this CSM, for the work they're trying to do, even though their efforts are not being matched by CCP, it seems. (God, I can't believe I'm defending Mittens. Next thing you know the Detroit Lions will win the Superbowl.)


We're not asking for CSM to retire for punishment, we want them to join in this protest. I, for one, think the CSM do all that they can, it's just that CCP don't want to listen to them. Once outside media learns that the CSM has also retired over this it might tip the balance

Aessaya
Fairlight Corp
Rooks and Kings
Posted - 2011.06.26 15:45:00 - [222]
 

As far as i know, CSM is fully supportive of us, not the CCP. The problem is, CCP is ignoring them as well as us. And walking out is not a solution either.

p.s. Mittens' twitter:
Originally by: The Mittani
@Pyrrho Past CSMs have resigned and it's just resulted in eyerolls
and essentially no impact with CCP at all.

Le Skunk
Low Sec Liberators
Chubby Chuppers Chubba Chups
Posted - 2011.06.26 16:05:00 - [223]
 

Edited by: Le Skunk on 26/06/2011 16:23:44



Originally by: Aessaya
As far as i know, CSM is fully supportive of us, not the CCP. The problem is, CCP is ignoring them as well as us. And walking out is not a solution either.

p.s. Mittens' twitter:
Originally by: The Mittani
@Pyrrho Past CSMs have resigned and it's just resulted in eyerolls
and essentially no impact with CCP at all.



Not so.

Whilst some of the CSM members will naturally have large amounts of their self worth invested in their high powered position, and can be forgiven for seeking any excuse not to go.

A mass walk out WILL have an effect!



The attempt to equate the effects of a couple of csm alternates (albeit it principled) walk out during a time of calm, and a mass walk out of the entire CSM at a time of mass unsubs, threadnaughts, delusional emails, and insider leaks, is disingenuous at best. Some of you may have other words to describe it.


CCP courted major news agency's when the CSM was originally introduced as a PR stunt after a Dev was caught cheating.

Originally by: hilmar in the new york times
I envision this council being made up of nine members selected by the players themselves, where you announce your candidacy, and if you win the election, they come here to Iceland, and they can look at every nook and cranny and get to see that we are here to run this company on a professional basis...

A government can’t just keep saying, ‘We are not corrupt.’ No one will believe them. Instead you have to create transparency and robust institutions and oversight in order to maintain the confidence of the population.


The Washington Post, New York times, and British Broadcasting Corporation (not just the big gaming sites.. "serious" news agencys) were all tapped up and duely posted the press releases.

The exact same agencys may take an interest in the walk out. And our cause would be furthered.

WHY?

The piece would almost write itself. You could knock up a couple thousand words in a heartbeat.

So many angles



* Virtual Democracy Gone Bad - parallel with protest movements in real life
* Body set up to ensure transparency walking out due to lack of transparency
* Parallels with Icelands refusnik attitude in real life and CCP Ceo messianic bunker mentality
* Riots in jita vs Riots in real life.
* Humourous, arnt gamers a bit weird, angle.
* Greed is good: Bankers greed and economic meltdown, CCP greed and virtual meltdown
* Banning of whisteblowers. Freedom of speech.
* The juicy "whos the CCP leaker" angle :)
* Blah blah gaming industry worth xxx billion blah blah real life parralel blah blah

Easy to write, interesting, topical piece with humourous undertones. Bang! On the editors desk. Hell, even the wannabe journos amongst the CSM might knock up a piece freelance and get it published.

Its players actions that count, not words. Somebody told me that.. I cant remember who!

SKUNK

Le Skunk
Low Sec Liberators
Chubby Chuppers Chubba Chups
Posted - 2011.06.26 16:16:00 - [224]
 

Edited by: Le Skunk on 26/06/2011 16:17:06
Edited by: Le Skunk on 26/06/2011 16:16:36

Originally by: Niccolado Starwalker
Originally by: Le Skunk
"We will gradually introduce items at other price points, definitely lower and probably higher than what‘s in the store today. We hope you enjoy them and are as passionate about them as you are of the current items that are for sale."


SKUNK, why dont you walk out?




3 Accounts Down tomorrow
3 Accounts Down in 15 Days
3 Accounts due resubbing over the next 8 weeks holding For Future Developments.

Yes I am (was) one of those nerds with 9 accounts

SKUNK

Solosky
Posted - 2011.06.26 16:20:00 - [225]
 

/signed

I already unsubscribed all 3 accounts I pay for. Not sure for how long - but I promised myself not to reactivate each for at least 10 days.

-$15 for CCP if they don't want to listen.

MaiLina KaTar
Posted - 2011.06.26 18:24:00 - [226]
 

Originally by: Aessaya
... Mittens' twitter:
Originally by: The Mittani
@Pyrrho Past CSMs have resigned and it's just resulted in eyerolls
and essentially no impact with CCP at all.


Signal proof. Point made. Thanks.

Hilmar is right Wink You're not doing anything. You take the c*** he just jammed up your asses with a bit of fuss and whimpering, story over. He'll pamper his little CSM ***** a bit and get on with business as usual. And when all this is said and done nothing will have changed... except for the stress tolerance of your sphincters.

SphereZA
Posted - 2011.06.26 18:30:00 - [227]
 

Co-Sign

CSM Should walk out and a new Panel be elected.

BabyEating Dingo
Posted - 2011.06.26 18:41:00 - [228]
 

It's been confirmed that CCP is inviting the CSM for an "extraordinary" session.

Time for the CSM to save their dignity and say NO to a free beer vacation and meaningless symbolic gesture.

CSM, you are being manipulated. You are the convenient excuse, the punchline to CCP's bad joke they call listening to our concerns. Show us you have some self respect and decline to let CCP bribe you into BSing us further.

BabyEating Dingo
Posted - 2011.06.26 18:43:00 - [229]
 

Edited by: BabyEating Dingo on 26/06/2011 18:44:17
Accidentally doubles.

Izo Azlion
Veto.
Veto Corp
Posted - 2011.06.26 18:45:00 - [230]
 

Right, shut up moaning for a few days till we see what happens after the meeting now please.

MaiLina KaTar
Posted - 2011.06.26 18:49:00 - [231]
 

Originally by: BabyEating Dingo
Show us you have some self respect and decline to let CCP bribe you into BSing us further.

Not gonna happen. They'll fly over for some asslicking and until then the mods are free to shut down critique, questions and discussion at will.

Story over.

JT Black
Amarr
ALPHA REACTION
Posted - 2011.07.03 05:11:00 - [232]
 

You can fly to Iceland .

But you will never change Hilmar an his associates mentality of making more money.

I say let EvE online take it's natural course of being a distant memory and let it die to give way to their new project the vampires MMO.

It was a good run for a few good years , thanks to all my friends and the early ccp mentality which made us play this game.We shall remember EvE while playing world of tanks P:P:P:

Aurevoir.

CSM you have no saying in what they want to do, you went over there and tried that's it.


Kosma Zenobius
Posted - 2011.07.03 05:30:00 - [233]
 

Why are so many bent on destroying CCP? Hate EVE much??

AngryMax
Gallente
Warriors tribe
DarkSide.
Posted - 2011.07.03 06:53:00 - [234]
 

I am not convinced by anything in Arnar's statement. There is literally nothing in it promising that they won't be selling ships or modules in NeX. Its carefully worded to do just that - sell non-game-breaking items whatever the **** that means. A 80% DCU is non-game-breaking. Skillpoints for AUR is non-game-breaking. Special skill books are non-game-breaking. Are you having a tough time killing that clown with a monocle because he is jacked up on the NeX? Use 2 accounts or bring a friend. Game isn't broken, HTFU!

CSM looks spineless right now. Did you get to meet with Hillar and grill him on his arrogant email? No? What about lies and contradictions in CCP's statements over the years regarding their "sandbox"? Doesn't look like it. Doesn't seem like you flexed any muscles at all.

It will take months for you to gain my trust again CCP. I'll resubscribe when I am convinced you aren't a bunch of greedy manipulative corporate liars.

Markarian Aurelius
Caldari
Bureau of Interstellar Exploration
Posted - 2011.07.03 07:27:00 - [235]
 


RougeOperator
Posted - 2011.07.03 07:30:00 - [236]
 

Edited by: RougeOperator on 03/07/2011 07:31:25
+1

But the guys on the CSM right now arnt going to stand with the players. We already got the message that they have been bought and sold by CCP. CCP behaves like they were Icelandic bankers.

Originally by: Kosma Zenobius
Why are so many bent on destroying CCP? Hate EVE much??


Icelandic banker mentality. We are not the ones destroying eve.

Le Skunk
Low Sec Liberators
Chubby Chuppers Chubba Chups
Posted - 2011.07.03 13:26:00 - [237]
 

Originally by: Markarian Aurelius
To the OP. Please do the following for the sake of everyone on the forums:

...

...

and finally

...]

Thank you kindly.




I have images turned off on the forums, Im sure what you posted was hilarious however so you should have three biscuits, one for each picture.

SKUNK

dicen3
Posted - 2011.07.03 13:45:00 - [238]
 

Originally by: AngryMax
I am not convinced by anything in Arnar's statement. There is literally nothing in it promising that they won't be selling ships or modules in NeX. Its carefully worded to do just that - sell non-game-breaking items whatever the **** that means. A 80% DCU is non-game-breaking. Skillpoints for AUR is non-game-breaking. Special skill books are non-game-breaking. Are you having a tough time killing that clown with a monocle because he is jacked up on the NeX? Use 2 accounts or bring a friend. Game isn't broken, HTFU!

CSM looks spineless right now. Did you get to meet with Hillar and grill him on his arrogant email? No? What about lies and contradictions in CCP's statements over the years regarding their "sandbox"? Doesn't look like it. Doesn't seem like you flexed any muscles at all.

It will take months for you to gain my trust again CCP. I'll resubscribe when I am convinced you aren't a bunch of greedy manipulative corporate liars.


I don't even have to write it myself.

signed

Yin Utada
Posted - 2011.07.03 13:53:00 - [239]
 

Originally by: dicen3
Originally by: AngryMax
I am not convinced by anything in Arnar's statement. There is literally nothing in it promising that they won't be selling ships or modules in NeX. Its carefully worded to do just that - sell non-game-breaking items whatever the **** that means. A 80% DCU is non-game-breaking. Skillpoints for AUR is non-game-breaking. Special skill books are non-game-breaking. Are you having a tough time killing that clown with a monocle because he is jacked up on the NeX? Use 2 accounts or bring a friend. Game isn't broken, HTFU!

CSM looks spineless right now. Did you get to meet with Hillar and grill him on his arrogant email? No? What about lies and contradictions in CCP's statements over the years regarding their "sandbox"? Doesn't look like it. Doesn't seem like you flexed any muscles at all.

It will take months for you to gain my trust again CCP. I'll resubscribe when I am convinced you aren't a bunch of greedy manipulative corporate liars.


I don't even have to write it myself.

signed

Neqa'el Uphir
Amarr
PORTAL KOMBAT
Posted - 2011.07.03 15:57:00 - [240]
 

Edited by: Neqa''el Uphir on 03/07/2011 15:57:48
/signed!

They are happy with the apology devblog? This guy should have been fired 10 minutes after posting the first one. I have spent some years in the PR business, and working in the games sector too - CCP, you guys are CLUELESS.


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