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Templar Dane
Amarr
Amarrian Retribution
Posted - 2011.06.26 12:34:00 - [181]
 

Edited by: Templar Dane on 26/06/2011 12:33:41
Originally by: The Mittani


i is gay and ****, p. much vOv

~toodles~


FYP

Sarina Berghil
Minmatar
New Zion Judge Advocate
Yulai Federation
Posted - 2011.06.26 12:36:00 - [182]
 

Originally by: MaiLina KaTar
Originally by: Sarina Berghil
Its a tad silly to ask for random executions just because you can't get at the ones responsible.

By resigning collectively, even if only temporary, they could've sent a clear and unmistakable message. But they won't do it, because they're a bunch of phonies, all of them. They talk a lot, that's it.

The evidence is right here. Take it into account next time these windbags ask you to put your vote in Wink


Well they could. Although it would probably mean getting even bigger windbags. At least at the moment they are a bit of a thorn in the side of CCP.

The messages that have already been sent are pretty clear, but you can't force the recipient to listen. Shouting louder when the comms are down just gives you a sore throat.

Mr Kidd
Posted - 2011.06.26 12:44:00 - [183]
 

Originally by: Tobias Sjodin
Originally by: Cailais
Yes, removing a path of communication is an extremely good idea.

Oh wait.

C.



What good is a CSM if they're unable to speak?


You can't scare me with this gestapo crap. I want my CSM.

Oh wait.....

Mystri
Posted - 2011.06.26 12:47:00 - [184]
 

...many martyrs were born and the bridges did burn brightly.

Perramas
Caldari
Pan Caldarian Ventures
Posted - 2011.06.26 12:47:00 - [185]
 

Edited by: Perramas on 26/06/2011 12:47:46
The CSM and the people on it are as useless as **** on a boar.

Edit- Is boobs censored like ****?

Niccolado Starwalker
Gallente
Shadow Templars
Posted - 2011.06.26 12:48:00 - [186]
 

Originally by: Le Skunk
"We will gradually introduce items at other price points, definitely lower and probably higher than what‘s in the store today. We hope you enjoy them and are as passionate about them as you are of the current items that are for sale."


Walk out CSM. Walk out.


SKUNK



SKUNK, why dont you walk out?


Sergio Ling
Posted - 2011.06.26 12:50:00 - [187]
 

CSMers get a free trip to Iceland and get to brofist with devs in a bar. they're not gonna walk out.

Asmodeus Et'Mort
Amarr
Imperial Academy
Posted - 2011.06.26 12:56:00 - [188]
 

Resign

Niccolado Starwalker
Gallente
Shadow Templars
Posted - 2011.06.26 12:56:00 - [189]
 

Originally by: Sergio Ling
CSMers get a free trip to Iceland and get to brofist with devs in a bar. they're not gonna walk out.


And why should they just walk out on first sight of some small problems? If you want anything fixed you keep people at the table to solve it!

FFS, have people become totally morons while ive been away on vacation??


Republica Winder
Caldari
State War Academy
Posted - 2011.06.26 12:57:00 - [190]
 

I agree. The whole CSM should quit. The alternates down the line should refuse to take office.

Not that I see them doing this, they love their free trips to Iceland. But it would be the right thing to do and would send a powerful message. It'd also get even more negative press down on CCP's backstab.

Katra Novac
Posted - 2011.06.26 12:58:00 - [191]
 

Well from what we know CCP keep the CSMs out of the loop when it suits them.

So if I was a CSM I'd resign as they're only really being used for PR purposes (badly I might add).

Asmodeus Et'Mort
Amarr
Imperial Academy
Posted - 2011.06.26 13:01:00 - [192]
 

Originally by: Niccolado Starwalker
Originally by: Sergio Ling
CSMers get a free trip to Iceland and get to brofist with devs in a bar. they're not gonna walk out.


And why should they just walk out on first sight of some small problems? If you want anything fixed you keep people at the table to solve it!

FFS, have people become totally morons while ive been away on vacation??




There comes a point where discussion breaks down and the only thing left is to make a statement by resigning. What do the CSM think they can do? CCP has ignored them witheld information and lied to their faces. If all of a sudden that is going to change and CCP is entering into meaningful dialgue with the CSM, why have we not been told taht and given some idea on progress?

Are you gagged by NDA? certainly you have been very quiet since the radio show. Or are you silent cos your choking on gold that ccp is stuffing down your throats to keep you quiet?

Adriatico Teriaki
Posted - 2011.06.26 13:01:00 - [193]
 

Originally by: Republica Winder
I agree. The whole CSM should quit. The alternates down the line should refuse to take office.

Not that I see them doing this, they love their free trips to Iceland. But it would be the right thing to do and would send a powerful message. It'd also get even more negative press down on CCP's backstab.



CCP have proved they don't give a stuff about the playerbase or the CSM, so what point would it make if they quit.

It would just save CCP from having to invite a group of people to tour around there lair with the lure of tentative ears.

Since I started playing this game I have not seen any indication that CCP has even given the slightest interest in anything said by the playerbases CSM

Republica Winder
Caldari
State War Academy
Posted - 2011.06.26 13:03:00 - [194]
 

Originally by: The Mittani
Originally by: Asmodeus Et'Mort
So we have six pages of posts asking the CSM to resign and prcious little response from them.

Are the CSM taaking lessons in PR management from CCP?

Is rotten shark so good you really want to go back to iceland?

Resign and put this in the national press instead of just the gaming press.


this thread is gay and i don't give a **** what you think, p. much vOv

~toodles~


There you go, proof that the CSM is a bunch of worthless gits.

Just don't come *****ing to the playerbase when you get to Iceland and discover that your next meeting involves Hillar and "assuming the position, we know you love it".

Jade Constantine
Gallente
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
Posted - 2011.06.26 13:08:00 - [195]
 

Originally by: Republica Winder
Originally by: The Mittani
Originally by: Asmodeus Et'Mort
So we have six pages of posts asking the CSM to resign and prcious little response from them.

Are the CSM taaking lessons in PR management from CCP?

Is rotten shark so good you really want to go back to iceland?

Resign and put this in the national press instead of just the gaming press.


this thread is gay and i don't give a **** what you think, p. much vOv

~toodles~


There you go, proof that the CSM is a bunch of worthless gits.

Just don't come *****ing to the playerbase when you get to Iceland and discover that your next meeting involves Hillar and "assuming the position, we know you love it".





Probably the first time I've ever felt like defending Mittani but is it possible he was satirizing CCP Zulu there?

MaiLina KaTar
Posted - 2011.06.26 13:11:00 - [196]
 

Edited by: MaiLina KaTar on 26/06/2011 13:12:06
Originally by: Niccolado Starwalker
Originally by: Sergio Ling
CSMers get a free trip to Iceland and get to brofist with devs in a bar. they're not gonna walk out.


And why should they just walk out on first sight of some small problems? If you want anything fixed you keep people at the table to solve it!

First sight? People seen this fiasko coming weeks if not months prior to CCP releasing this latest incarnation of flashy non-content.

And yeah talking to people is the better choice, agreed. That is, until these people stand up, lower their zipper and start ****ing on your head. If you haven't realised by then that time for talk is over you're a tool.

Katra Novac
Posted - 2011.06.26 13:11:00 - [197]
 

Originally by: Republica Winder
Originally by: The Mittani
Originally by: Asmodeus Et'Mort
So we have six pages of posts asking the CSM to resign and prcious little response from them.

Are the CSM taaking lessons in PR management from CCP?

Is rotten shark so good you really want to go back to iceland?

Resign and put this in the national press instead of just the gaming press.


this thread is gay and i don't give a **** what you think, p. much vOv

~toodles~


There you go, proof that the CSM is a bunch of worthless gits.

Just don't come *****ing to the playerbase when you get to Iceland and discover that your next meeting involves Hillar and "assuming the position, we know you love it".




Well I guess from that we can assume that the remaining CSMs don't actually represent the player base any longer (debatable if some of them ever did).

JT133
Wolfsbrigade
Posted - 2011.06.26 13:14:00 - [198]
 

+1

I endorse this petition.

Elrica bloodbane
Posted - 2011.06.26 13:17:00 - [199]
 

They should resign. They are supposed to represent to player base
but they haven't said much on the forums.

Maybe they don't want to lose free trips to iceland Evil or Very Mad

Futile Rhetoric
Posted - 2011.06.26 13:17:00 - [200]
 

Edited by: Futile Rhetoric on 26/06/2011 13:16:57
Originally by: Niccolado Starwalker
first sight of some small problems

:')

Dr Geiger
Posted - 2011.06.26 13:21:00 - [201]
 

CSM should give CCP a deadline, say 5 days to engage them and the playerbase in an active 2 way discussion about the troubles.

If this is not met they should resign. Otherwise they are giving false positive PR to CCP.

Elrica bloodbane
Posted - 2011.06.26 13:24:00 - [202]
 

Originally by: Darius III
I for one won't be "walking out" but I wish Two-Bit, I mean Two step would along with Miasma I mean Miessa would YARRRR!! Those assclowns act like the run the joint, are rude and take great liberties.

Yes it is true CCP didn't consult with the CSM or inform them of the pricing and we are seeing the fallout from that in the form of "Monoclegate" The rest of the CSM are doing what they should be-namely working towards righting the wrongs of the whole debacle.

I myself, have tried to have fun with the whole thing while being constructive. My efforts are to be found Here

In fact I have argued that the items of that high a price should indeed PROVIDE AN IN-GAME BONUS or that CCP should bring lower priced items out ASAP. To walk away from our duties would be a disservice to the community and our constituents. For us to abdicate our responsibilities would be pointless and deprive us of a chance to help out, while achieving nothing. I assure you that CCP does listen to us when we have a chance to review content/changes. In this instance they chose not to consult us. Had they done so, I would have answered them thusly: "Even if I started using PCP again, I wouldnt have set the prices that high."

I support CCP and love 95% of what they do. They didn't run this by us, we were as shocked as anyone. They are suffering because they chose poorly. I assure you CSM are doing their part and have been, with a few exceptions, taking steps as best they can to improve OUR game.


Who gives a f*ck about the pricesEvil or Very MadEvil or Very Mad
GET REAL DUDE

no in game bonuses is what we want dumbassEvil or Very MadEvil or Very Mad

Asmodeus Et'Mort
Amarr
Imperial Academy
Posted - 2011.06.26 13:27:00 - [203]
 

Originally by: Elrica bloodbane
Originally by: Darius III
I for one won't be "walking out" but I wish Two-Bit, I mean Two step would along with Miasma I mean Miessa would YARRRR!! Those assclowns act like the run the joint, are rude and take great liberties.

Yes it is true CCP didn't consult with the CSM or inform them of the pricing and we are seeing the fallout from that in the form of "Monoclegate" The rest of the CSM are doing what they should be-namely working towards righting the wrongs of the whole debacle.

I myself, have tried to have fun with the whole thing while being constructive. My efforts are to be found Here

Just so you know Darius has already bought a monocle so that should tell you all about his affiliation here.

In fact I have argued that the items of that high a price should indeed PROVIDE AN IN-GAME BONUS or that CCP should bring lower priced items out ASAP. To walk away from our duties would be a disservice to the community and our constituents. For us to abdicate our responsibilities would be pointless and deprive us of a chance to help out, while achieving nothing. I assure you that CCP does listen to us when we have a chance to review content/changes. In this instance they chose not to consult us. Had they done so, I would have answered them thusly: "Even if I started using PCP again, I wouldnt have set the prices that high."

I support CCP and love 95% of what they do. They didn't run this by us, we were as shocked as anyone. They are suffering because they chose poorly. I assure you CSM are doing their part and have been, with a few exceptions, taking steps as best they can to improve OUR game.


Who gives a f*ck about the pricesEvil or Very MadEvil or Very Mad
GET REAL DUDE

no in game bonuses is what we want dumbassEvil or Very MadEvil or Very Mad

Asmodeus Et'Mort
Amarr
Imperial Academy
Posted - 2011.06.26 13:30:00 - [204]
 

Edited by: Asmodeus Et''Mort on 26/06/2011 13:30:30
And Darius has bought a monocle already, so his affilitation has been clearly demonstrated, shame Br1cks have sunk so low to allow him to flaunt it without someone like Harvey or Wauk podding him.

Oh no they left in disgust after geminate didnt they.

Jade Constantine
Gallente
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
Posted - 2011.06.26 13:30:00 - [205]
 

Edited by: Jade Constantine on 26/06/2011 13:31:01
Originally by: Katra Novac
Originally by: Republica Winder
Originally by: The Mittani
Originally by: Asmodeus Et'Mort
So we have six pages of posts asking the CSM to resign and prcious little response from them.

Are the CSM taaking lessons in PR management from CCP?

Is rotten shark so good you really want to go back to iceland?

Resign and put this in the national press instead of just the gaming press.


this thread is gay and i don't give a **** what you think, p. much vOv

~toodles~


There you go, proof that the CSM is a bunch of worthless gits.

Just don't come *****ing to the playerbase when you get to Iceland and discover that your next meeting involves Hillar and "assuming the position, we know you love it".




Well I guess from that we can assume that the remaining CSMs don't actually represent the player base any longer (debatable if some of them ever did).


To be fair I've been pretty happy with the CSMs I voted for :

Seleene
Trebor
Meissa

From their communications/blogs/ and general effort on behalf of the community I think they at least have been working pretty hard to get to the bottom of this situation and seek answers from CCP.

On the general question of whether the CSM should en masse resign / walk out.

I think if CCP have not managed an appropriate response to this crisis by next Friday at the latest I will be writing to the CSMs I voted for and suggesting they should resign in protest at the way they and the community have been handled throughout the monoclegate MT/CQ affair.



Elrica bloodbane
Posted - 2011.06.26 13:32:00 - [206]
 

CSM = CORPORATE SH*T MANAGEMENT

Has done from the beginning. Evil or Very MadEvil or Very MadEvil or Very MadEvil or Very MadEvil or Very MadEvil or Very MadEvil or Very MadEvil or Very MadEvil or Very MadEvil or Very MadEvil or Very MadEvil or Very MadEvil or Very MadEvil or Very MadEvil or Very MadEvil or Very MadEvil or Very MadEvil or Very MadEvil or Very MadEvil or Very MadEvil or Very MadEvil or Very MadEvil or Very MadEvil or Very MadEvil or Very MadEvil or Very MadEvil or Very MadEvil or Very MadEvil or Very Mad

Dr Geiger
Posted - 2011.06.26 13:36:00 - [207]
 

I too voted for Seleene and Trebor. I too am happy with what they do. As I posted Earlier I too think this can't go on.
CSM need to give CCP a deadline. I think most reasonable CSM members can see this, just the limelight loving members who are only in it for themselves would not see it this way imho.

Rikanin
Gallente
The Azerick Corporation
Posted - 2011.06.26 13:45:00 - [208]
 

Originally by: Ajunyx
What? The CSM are fine. They've already said they were just as shocked by how this all went down and they're trying to figure out what do with themselves. I'm sorry that you expect INSTANT RESULTS from the CSM. This is infantile and comes off as basically a temper tantrum. CCPs failure to communicate with the CSM isn't the CSMs fault. You're basically just looking for people to whine about now.


Agreed. Did you really EVER think they had any power to do anything? All they were ever able to do is offer advice and consultation. And whether or not CCP took that advice was SOLELY at CCP's own discretion. Do I think a walkout would be a nice symbolic gesture? Yes. Do I think you have a right to be making all these unfounded accusations? NO.

Yabba Addict
Posted - 2011.06.26 13:45:00 - [209]
 

I agree, CSM should resign or even better unsub. I don't think they've done anything wrong in any way, this isn't a punishment call. It's a call for the CSM to join the protest. We don't have any communication with CCP, the CSM are only needed for this if CCP are willing to speak.

Captain Mastiff
Posted - 2011.06.26 14:18:00 - [210]
 

Let's not forget the original owner of T'Amber

He walked out in protest and it looks like this was the reason why...



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