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Jude Lloyd
Heretic Army
B A N E
Posted - 2011.06.24 14:54:00 - [1]
 

Wait... Who are they again?

Tugrath Akers
Posted - 2011.06.24 14:55:00 - [2]
 

Originally by: Jude Lloyd
Wait... Who are they again?


Pawns of the Man.

Lirael Dyrim
Gallente
In Bacon We Trust
Posted - 2011.06.24 14:56:00 - [3]
 

It doesn't help the CSM much when CCP doesn't communicate with them. Don't be so quick to dismiss the CSM, I've seen them posting.

Kez Aumer
Posted - 2011.06.24 14:58:00 - [4]
 

You seem to be starting a lot of threads. They are all worth reading Rolling Eyes

Captain Travaras
Gallente
Posted - 2011.06.24 14:59:00 - [5]
 

CSM have been posting more then CCP have, and have made it clear that they are just as much surprised as we are and have been kept in the dark on a lot of things

they are players themselves at the end of the day, and im sure a fair number of them are as angry as alot of us

Frederick Yassavi
Posted - 2011.06.24 15:00:00 - [6]
 

Edited by: Frederick Yassavi on 24/06/2011 15:00:49
CSM members have been some of the most visible and articulate voices throughout this whole mess. I'm happy to have them.

In particular, I recommend Seleene's blog.

Edit: linkage.

White Tree
Gallente
Broski Federation
Tactical Narcotics Team
Posted - 2011.06.24 15:01:00 - [7]
 

We're here, don't worry.


Xavier Novae
Posted - 2011.06.24 15:01:00 - [8]
 

Originally by: Captain Travaras
CSM have been posting more then CCP have, and have made it clear that they are just as much surprised as we are and have been kept in the dark on a lot of things

they are players themselves at the end of the day, and im sure a fair number of them are as angry as alot of us


'Cept White Tree.

Scarlett Anstian
Minmatar
DPB Corporation
Posted - 2011.06.24 15:02:00 - [9]
 

Originally by: White Tree
We're here, don't worry.



Have you heard anything new about when they will make a statement? You guys seem to know as little as us.

Reyvan Severasse
Posted - 2011.06.24 15:05:00 - [10]
 

Originally by: White Tree
We're here, don't worry.

I feel sorry for you guys at the moment, there's not much info coming in and out and I can imagine you're all battling for answers to the much needed questions.

Here's hoping something good comes out of it all in the end.

Belt Humper
Posted - 2011.06.24 15:05:00 - [11]
 

Originally by: White Tree
We're here, don't worry.




White Tree make them stop.

Jude Lloyd
Heretic Army
B A N E
Posted - 2011.06.24 15:06:00 - [12]
 

Originally by: White Tree
We're here, don't worry.




Glad to hear it. I just haven't seen anyone but you posting yet.

I wasn't blaming this whole fiasco on you guys, just curious as to what the CSM is doing.

Ghoest
Posted - 2011.06.24 15:08:00 - [13]
 

The CSM is a group of popular 0.0 alliance guys who got a free vacation to Iceland on CCPs dime.

They really have nothing do with the average player base.

Realdoll1
Posted - 2011.06.24 15:09:00 - [14]
 

Theyre doing the best they can im sure. Played with Seleene in BDCI for years and years(whats up Mark, SJ here) and hes an A+ guy that loves the game and wants the best for it. Ive got full confidencd they'll do what they can where their hands arent tied.

But yeah White Tree seems to come off a bit arogant and douchey, but dont let 1 person ruin the whole group.

SJ

Dorian Wylde
Posted - 2011.06.24 15:10:00 - [15]
 

Originally by: White Tree
We're here, don't worry.




Here's hoping they actually start talking to you.

White Tree
Gallente
Broski Federation
Tactical Narcotics Team
Posted - 2011.06.24 15:10:00 - [16]
 

Originally by: Reyvan Severasse
Originally by: White Tree
We're here, don't worry.

I feel sorry for you guys at the moment, there's not much info coming in and out and I can imagine you're all battling for answers to the much needed questions.

Here's hoping something good comes out of it all in the end.


We're not getting as much information as we'd like. We could have a more defined and solid answer to this if we had all of the variables in-hand to make a statement. What we can and are gauging are the players reactions to this. We need to take several factors into account such as statistical data that CCP provides to us as well as how loud the reaction from the playerbase is and whether or not a large number of people are clearly upset or whether or not a relatively small number of people are banging pots and pans really loudly. I'm not saying they are, but we need to take these sorts of things into account.

Right now we're seeing a LOT of negativity so we're probably going to act on that but we also see a side the players don't: The dialog we have with CCP and what little information we've gotten from them is information we obviously can't repeat. For us we're talking a tightrope with a lot of the issues and attempting to collect the data and format it in a way we can use.

However, make no mistake: The CSM is on the side of the players and we understand that when you guys are upset, and when you're THIS upset then something has gone horribly wrong. We're working with CCP to express your concerns and ours.

Whether or not you trust us to do that is an issue that remains in your court. We're trying to figure this out, give us a little bit of time <3

Korinne
Posted - 2011.06.24 15:11:00 - [17]
 

Originally by: Ghoest
The CSM is a group of popular 0.0 alliance guys who got a free vacation to Iceland on CCPs dime.

They really have nothing do with the average player base.


Sadly this is more or less the truth. They have a few good ideas occasionally, but they're mostly the ideas that are painfully obvious.

Meissa Anunthiel
Redshift Industrial
Rooks and Kings
Posted - 2011.06.24 15:13:00 - [18]
 

Edited by: Meissa Anunthiel on 24/06/2011 15:14:09
We're busy poasting and talking with CCP, on skype, on forums (internal ones), and through every mean we have.

Occasionally we blog about what we're doing: http://meissaanunthiel.blogspot.com/

Or Seleene's

Illadelph Justice
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2011.06.24 15:14:00 - [19]
 

FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT CSM

Trebor Daehdoow
Gallente
Sane Industries Inc.
Posted - 2011.06.24 15:15:00 - [20]
 

I am posting regularly, blogging, and participating in internal discussions with CCP.

In other words, doing what I was elected to do.

White Tree
Gallente
Broski Federation
Tactical Narcotics Team
Posted - 2011.06.24 15:16:00 - [21]
 

Originally by: Realdoll1
Theyre doing the best they can im sure. Played with Seleene in BDCI for years and years(whats up Mark, SJ here) and hes an A+ guy that loves the game and wants the best for it. Ive got full confidencd they'll do what they can where their hands arent tied.

But yeah White Tree seems to come off a bit arogant and douchey, but dont let 1 person ruin the whole group.

SJ


Sorry if I come off as a ****, I don't mean too.

Two step
Aperture Harmonics
K162
Posted - 2011.06.24 15:17:00 - [22]
 

I'm pretty sure this is about the 4th "Where is the CSM" thread that has been found and posted in by your CSM. We are here, we are working really fing hard to talk to CCP and make sure that the views of the players are understood.

Scarlett Anstian
Minmatar
DPB Corporation
Posted - 2011.06.24 15:17:00 - [23]
 

Edited by: Scarlett Anstian on 24/06/2011 15:18:02
Originally by: Meissa Anunthiel
Edited by: Meissa Anunthiel on 24/06/2011 15:14:09
We're busy poasting and talking with CCP, on skype, on forums (internal ones), and through every mean we have.

Occasionally we blog about what we're doing: http://meissaanunthiel.blogspot.com/

Or Seleene's

Thats good to hear but for those of us that havent been around for a long time its hard to keep track of random blogs. Is there an easy way to find all your blogs? I just want to know when CCP are going to talk to us.

Seleene
Body Count Inc.
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2011.06.24 15:24:00 - [24]
 

Originally by: Scarlett Anstian
Edited by: Scarlett Anstian on 24/06/2011 15:18:02
Originally by: Meissa Anunthiel
Edited by: Meissa Anunthiel on 24/06/2011 15:14:09
We're busy poasting and talking with CCP, on skype, on forums (internal ones), and through every mean we have.

Occasionally we blog about what we're doing: http://meissaanunthiel.blogspot.com/

Or Seleene's

Thats good to hear but for those of us that havent been around for a long time its hard to keep track of random blogs. Is there an easy way to find all your blogs? I just want to know when CCP are going to talk to us.


ATM we're trying to get information in any way we can. However, the timeline of all this means that CCP is pretty much using what time they DO have to formulate a response. Hopefully one that takes this situation as seriously as it deserves to be taken.

Illadelph Justice
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2011.06.24 15:24:00 - [25]
 

Edited by: Illadelph Justice on 24/06/2011 15:32:08
Can you tell us if you're talking about actual issues or debating whether or not we're mad

Randal Eirikr
Posted - 2011.06.25 04:01:00 - [26]
 

You guys are literally my last hope at this point.

Please CSM, you're my only hope.

Vikarion
Caldari
State Trade Consortium
Posted - 2011.06.25 04:03:00 - [27]
 

At this point, I think the CSM should resign in protest. It might, just might get CCP's attention. And, they sure don't seem to care what you think anyway. It's just PR to CCP. You guys deserve better.

Iamien
Democracy of Klingon Brothers
Posted - 2011.06.25 04:08:00 - [28]
 

Edited by: Iamien on 25/06/2011 04:08:05
Originally by: Vikarion
At this point, I think the CSM should resign in protest. It might, just might get CCP's attention. And, they sure don't seem to care what you think anyway. It's just PR to CCP. You guys deserve better.


This, you have heard it from the CEO's hands. What we say means nothing. What we do is all he cares about. Resign and un-sub, the media backlash will do more than you remaining on the CSM will.

Darius III
Caldari
Interstellar eXodus
BricK sQuAD.
Posted - 2011.06.25 05:44:00 - [29]
 

I am by far the most disliked CSM, in the discussions, and frankly the CSM do not impress me much in general. Trebor, Mittens, White Tree, Seleene, Meissa, Elise and even Vile Rat are working VERY hard for the players interest. I dont like most of them, and in fact think many CSM are douchebags-but I tell the truth whenever I can-and the truth is that they are as shocked as anyone.
The CSM I referenced above are very in touch with the players, and are communicating your displeasure to CCP. Their responses are well thought out, informative and mostly on topic. Many of them have personal blogs which shed a lot of light on what is currently going on and some of them are even worth reading.

I would like to answer allegations about what I did while the protest was going on: I was suicide ganking and enjoying my eve as best I could, all the while wearing my monocle. Why you may ask? Simple-I posted what I thought and the real CSM (not alts) have impressed me with their efforts to mitigate this complete disaster and I think they have the bases covered. Besides CCP and CSM hate me anyway-so why not troll them and try to have a good time? THIS is what I did to entertain myself while Rome burned. (well in addition to suiciding people in Jita / PerimeterYARRRR!!

Myra2007
Millstone Industries
Posted - 2011.06.25 05:47:00 - [30]
 

If ccp ignores them they can do nothing about it. Don't deflect the issue.


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