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Tengu Skunkworks
Posted - 2011.06.24 03:18:00 - [1]
 

Edited by: Tengu Skunkworks on 24/06/2011 03:19:45
I am fairly new to this game, so I really need to know.

Does everyone complain like this after every patch?

Or is this (perhaps deserved) massive attack exceptional as a response to a patch release?

I must confess, I did not remember the response to Apocrypha, Dominion and Incursion being this vehement

Kez Aumer
Posted - 2011.06.24 03:19:00 - [2]
 

This is above and beyond. There's always post-expansion complaining, but this is like a Sony Online Entertainment board right now.

Foralai Altrus
Posted - 2011.06.24 03:20:00 - [3]
 

Originally by: Tengu Skunkworks
I am fairly new to this game, so I really need to know.

Does everyone complain like this after every patch?

Or is this (perhaps deserved) massive attack exceptional as a response to a patch release?


In this case it's due to CCP moving towards a pay to win model with subscription fees. (see apology thread)

And much about them slapping the alpha for a new game onto eve for testing (see performance issue threads)

Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
Posted - 2011.06.24 03:21:00 - [4]
 

Originally by: Tengu Skunkworks
Does everyone complain like this after every patch?

Only after particularly bad ones. This one is in the "top 3" for sure.

Kyra Felann
Gallente
The Scope
Posted - 2011.06.24 03:22:00 - [5]
 

Yes. Every single change, no matter how small, good, or bad leads to complaining.

There are some valid complaints (megatransactions for clothes), and some that are just pointless whining.

This memo leak is another issue that is a valid concern.

Incarna itself is cool, even if there are no gameplay additions. The sale of virtual goods ("microtransaction" is clearly not the right word here) and how it is being handled is something that's bothering me and a lot of people, though.

Jedi GrandMaster
Posted - 2011.06.24 03:22:00 - [6]
 

no they dont. Just CCP really screwed up on the expansion, customer care, MT, Aurum, bugs, Min requirements, their mission statement, bugs, CQ ad PR. By far their biggest fup and fu to date.

Alexis Sachs
Posted - 2011.06.24 03:22:00 - [7]
 

There is complaining every expansion and patch. The difference this time is that the complaining is about truly valid issues.

Reilly Duvolle
Posted - 2011.06.24 03:23:00 - [8]
 

Edited by: Reilly Duvolle on 24/06/2011 03:23:42


"Wow. In eight years, I've never seen the forums like this. Ever"

From: http://twitter.com/#!/Seleene_EVE


Bloodpetal
Mimidae Risk Solutions
Posted - 2011.06.24 03:23:00 - [9]
 


This has to be the biggest upset I've ever seen.

I can't speak for those older than I.

daddys helper
Posted - 2011.06.24 03:23:00 - [10]
 

Originally by: Tengu Skunkworks
Edited by: Tengu Skunkworks on 24/06/2011 03:19:45
I am fairly new to this game, so I really need to know.

Does everyone complain like this after every patch?

Or is this (perhaps deserved) massive attack exceptional as a response to a patch release?

I must confess, I did not remember the response to Apocrypha, Dominion and Incursion being this vehement


its not so much about the expansion, its the lies and the leaked internal document that people are really ****ed at atm

Spacing Cowboy
Caldari
Rule of Five
Vera Cruz Alliance
Posted - 2011.06.24 03:23:00 - [11]
 

i asked the same one before,
apairently , the speed-nerf got people... upset..

This one is off the scale's as far as total-anger / lynchmob mode

Well, seems they did break a record then with this patch/expansion ;p

Terianna Eri
Red Federation
RvB - RED Federation
Posted - 2011.06.24 03:23:00 - [12]
 

The response to this patch is particularly bad because

a) incarna adds no gameplay functionality
b) incarna removes functionality
c) incarna damages computers
d) the prices in the NeX are insulting
and most importantly
e) the release of a document that reveals that CCP sees its playerbase as cows to be milked for as much as they can get out of us.

And the kicker is that Incarna still has the usual assortment of bugs and sloppy work accompanying most of CCP's releases lately Rolling Eyes

Mandy Stafford
Posted - 2011.06.24 03:23:00 - [13]
 

Originally by: Akita T
Originally by: Tengu Skunkworks
Does everyone complain like this after every patch?

Only after particularly bad ones. This one is in the "top 3" for sure.


Top 3? There was ****ing worse than Greed is Good?

San Severina
Minmatar
Posted - 2011.06.24 03:24:00 - [14]
 

This is an extreme response to what amounts to an afront to the community in general not just because of broken promises regarding Incarna, not optional, poor performance, removed immersion & reduced usability, but also because of the extreme greed & cynicism of the virtual good store (MT) & now the leaked PDF.

A hell of a lot is going on right now, new or not I suggest you take an interest & read the forums, some of the oldest & most valuable players in the community are making some very interesting post regarding the current state of EvE & our future as a community.

Kez Aumer
Posted - 2011.06.24 03:26:00 - [15]
 

Originally by: Mandy Stafford
Top 3? There was ****ing worse than Greed is Good?


In terms of forum chaos, "hey guys, about this critical system file on your harddrives..." and warp to 0 were both pretty noisy. It's difficult to quantify though, I'm sure as hell not about to go count posts Laughing

Snake Scofield
Posted - 2011.06.24 03:29:00 - [16]
 

Yeah pretty much.

They complain that CQ hasn't been implemented.

They complain that CQ was implemented.

They complain when told there's going to be MT.

They complain when they can't afford the MT.

They complain when there's going to be more MT.

It's pretty much a given that any change in any mmo will be cried about on forums by a select few who think they represent the majority. Seen the same **** in every MMO I've played since Ultima Online back in '98.

Panda Name
Amarr
Imperial Academy
Posted - 2011.06.24 03:31:00 - [17]
 

the rage of the sanctum nerf has nothing on this recent bout. there is a reason for this.

Loki Caulfield
Posted - 2011.06.24 03:40:00 - [18]
 

Happens after every patch but this one is obscenely rotten.

democrities
Zebra Corp
BricK sQuAD.
Posted - 2011.06.24 03:45:00 - [19]
 

Originally by: Terianna Eri
The response to this patch is particularly bad because

a) incarna adds no gameplay functionality
b) incarna removes functionality
c) incarna damages computers
d) the prices in the NeX are insulting
and most importantly
e) the release of a document that reveals that CCP sees its playerbase as cows to be milked for as much as they can get out of us.

And the kicker is that Incarna still has the usual assortment of bugs and sloppy work accompanying most of CCP's releases lately Rolling Eyes


I think the part where they refer to future DUST players who choose not to engage in MT as freeloaders was telling.

Selinate
Amarr
Posted - 2011.06.24 03:46:00 - [20]
 

Originally by: Snake Scofield
Yeah pretty much.

They complain that CQ hasn't been implemented.

They complain that CQ was implemented.

They complain when told there's going to be MT.

They complain when they can't afford the MT.

They complain when there's going to be more MT.

It's pretty much a given that any change in any mmo will be cried about on forums by a select few who think they represent the majority. Seen the same **** in every MMO I've played since Ultima Online back in '98.


Laughing

Its even more funny when the expansion was completely free.

Toanfoal
Posted - 2011.06.24 03:50:00 - [21]
 

Nope.

What you usually hear is nerf-whining, bug-weeping, feature-waaahhing. These are irritating, healthy sounds. Good games occasionally produce these sounds, while crappy games produce silence or whimpers.


What you hear right now is the sound of betrayal, and it's not about software, it's about philosophy. It can quickly turn into death-cries.

Mia April
Posted - 2011.06.24 03:52:00 - [22]
 

Originally by: Selinate
Originally by: Snake Scofield
Yeah pretty much.

They complain that CQ hasn't been implemented.

They complain that CQ was implemented.

They complain when told there's going to be MT.

They complain when they can't afford the MT.

They complain when there's going to be more MT.

It's pretty much a given that any change in any mmo will be cried about on forums by a select few who think they represent the majority. Seen the same **** in every MMO I've played since Ultima Online back in '98.


Laughing

Its even more funny when the expansion was completely free.


Nothing is free, and you got some white glaze on your chin there...

sorry.


Mordrake
Freelance Economics Astrological resources
Tactical Narcotics Team
Posted - 2011.06.24 03:53:00 - [23]
 

Originally by: Akita T
Originally by: Tengu Skunkworks
Does everyone complain like this after every patch?

Only after particularly bad ones. This one is in the "top 3" for sure.


I think this one has #1 wrapped up, even over the Boot.ini

Diomedes Calypso
Aetolian Armada
Posted - 2011.06.24 03:55:00 - [24]
 

Originally by: Tengu Skunkworks
Edited by: Tengu Skunkworks on 24/06/2011 03:19:45
I am fairly new to this game, so I really need to know.

Does everyone complain like this after every patch?

Or is this (perhaps deserved) massive attack exceptional as a response to a patch release?

I must confess, I did not remember the response to Apocrypha, Dominion and Incursion being this vehement


Yeah, people complain but actually this is worse than complaining and looking for fixes.. this is a breaking of trust for many.

In the past most peole thought the CEO would have the best interest of the game at Heart, and that mistakes were just matters of institutional errror and incompetence.

The leaked letter showed the true demeanor... we weren't an audience to be entertained by everbetter content..we were teenagers at the local mall seeing the movie they had for us so they could fleece us with expensive popcorn.

Actually, I don't think that people feel that way about the employees in general.. they're liked but they're hamstrung with some leaders that have other things on their mind than making money by beinng as entertaining as possible.

Thaylon Sen
Minmatar
Posted - 2011.06.24 03:57:00 - [25]
 

Originally by: Reilly Duvolle
Edited by: Reilly Duvolle on 24/06/2011 03:23:42


"Wow. In eight years, I've never seen the forums like this. Ever"

From: http://twitter.com/#!/Seleene_EVE




Ditto

Aessaya
Fairlight Corp
Rooks and Kings
Posted - 2011.06.24 03:58:00 - [26]
 

Well, honestly...

I've been around with eve since '05, thus making it six years now. I've been trough almost all of their expansions (save Castor and Exodus - i joined up by exodus for free trial, which was early '05 then finally subscribed in late '05 once the Cold War was in full reign and kept at least one account active from ever since) - this is by far the worst reaction to the new expansion i've ever seen. Sure, there were always negative feedback by players on new expansion (as there will always be someone unhappy with the changes, such is the trait in all of humans, to resist changes - although it varies from person to person - inertia is the basic property of all things, living or not).

What's even more strange, i find myself in the ranks of those angry with the new expansion (for my own reasons, but yet some of them are shared with other people). This is something i've never done throughout the whole 6 years of playing eve.

So, shortly - no, this one is unusual in terms of amounts of unhappyness.

Ghoest
Posted - 2011.06.24 03:59:00 - [27]
 

Edited by: Ghoest on 24/06/2011 04:03:18
This is 10x or more anger than ever before.

EDIT: To be honest Im not sure how people responded to the major changes they made back in 03 when they did an emergency remodel of the entire PVP system. I came in in the end of 03 and this is far and away the most intense and wide spread out rage I have seen.

Selinate
Amarr
Posted - 2011.06.24 04:04:00 - [28]
 

Originally by: Mia April
Originally by: Selinate
Originally by: Snake Scofield
Yeah pretty much.

They complain that CQ hasn't been implemented.

They complain that CQ was implemented.

They complain when told there's going to be MT.

They complain when they can't afford the MT.

They complain when there's going to be more MT.

It's pretty much a given that any change in any mmo will be cried about on forums by a select few who think they represent the majority. Seen the same **** in every MMO I've played since Ultima Online back in '98.


Laughing

Its even more funny when the expansion was completely free.


Nothing is free, and you got some white glaze on your chin there...

sorry.




The white glaze I got from your mother certainly wasn't, that's for sure....

Nahhh, in all seriousness, 40$ per expansion + 15$ a month for other MMO's... yeah this expansion was free.

Diomedes Calypso
Aetolian Armada
Posted - 2011.06.24 04:07:00 - [29]
 

Originally by: Ghoest
Edited by: Ghoest on 24/06/2011 04:03:18
This is 10x or more anger than ever before.

EDIT: To be honest Im not sure how people responded to the major changes they made back in 03 when they did an emergency remodel of the entire PVP system. I came in in the end of 03 and this is far and away the most intense and wide spread out rage I have seen.


Was the main thrust of the CEO at the time.. how can we make this better or was the main thing on his mind, how he could get more money from each exhisting subscriber ?

--- thats the part that makes you wonder... personaly i'm ok with MT as the plex sales have show the game can handle it...........as long as the goal isn't more isk.plex sales but more base subscribers with the other income just happening to follow.

Pneumon Blaster
Quondam Souls of the Universe corporation
THE R0NIN
Posted - 2011.06.24 04:07:00 - [30]
 

Originally by: Jedi GrandMaster
no they dont. Just CCP really screwed up on the expansion, customer care, MT, Aurum, bugs, Min requirements, their mission statement, bugs, CQ ad PR. By far their biggest fup and fu to date.


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