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I'm Down
Posted - 2011.06.24 02:27:00 - [1]
 

CCP lost it's way long ago. They throw out one token patch to show they listen to the players after getting called out hard core on the 18 months debacle then they throw out this patch which is an insult to everyone.

Based on the awful graphics in station and the clunky behavior of walking and camera angles and adjustments, it's pretty obvious it wasn't ready but they had nothing else to offer. I can't even figure out why in the character creator my toons look awesome and in station they look like morbid old hags and depressed beat up men.

I said this in our alliance ***** thread. It's like CCP doesn't have Editors for their designs. I wish so much they'd hire me to go look at their proposed plans and actually edit them so that they don't welp constantly. If they do have editors, fire them, b/c it's obvious they aren't doing their jobs. If it's not them, then it's their management who's fubar not giving the editors the right to tell someone their work is **** and do it over.

CCP needs to realize that the game has at least 15 major issues in 0.0 along with 100 minor ones. They don't even address the 15 major one's til players are happy and we're shocked and awe'd when they finally hit one of the minor ones.

Seriously, how do you guys go about setting an agenda? I don't get how you guys prioritize patch work over there because it's like you avoid anything that's relevant.

I'd be happy with the station stuff if it were part of a bigger patch. But tossing this out without any significant fixes to 0.0 all the while telling us it's 6 more months til we can hope for some relevant fixes to supers, sov, and other 0.0 fiascos and not even touching the other major problems more than likely is not a way to keep customers around.

I mean FFS dudes, we told you Supers would be a problem the moment seleenes ******ed ass announced it. We told you exactly what the problem would be. You didn't listen then and now you act totally ignorant of the problem that came true.


Short of dreads, no capital ship has any balance or role in this game. Carriers are a joke and have been a fiasco since launch. SC/Moms have been an even bigger blunder b/c they're carriers on steriods but not really b/c they cost too much so "we have to give them more overpowered ****" Titans are just everything that would make dreads overpowered if they weren't balanced while tossing on 40x more HP and oh yeah, a 1 shot kill weapon that every game ever invented knows is a failed idea.

Bombers are a joke

Fleet warping in blobs is a fiasco

Drones are out of control "fix it balance items" that have no logic to their implementation on 90% of the ships in game.

Dictor bubbles last to long. Hictor bubbles don't stay up long enough and are too big for a movable bubble.

POS have every flaw possible for what they are.

Sov stuctures are a joke in every fashion

Sov warfare is even more of a joke.

There's no balance between ship sizes/classes anymore.

There's no sense of races.

There's no reason to do mixed racial fleets. It's either all amarr, all matar, or all caldari missile spamming ***gotry.

WTF Minmatar guns on almost every BS.... cause of a "balance change.

WTF hybrids.

Range warfare really means between 40 and 90...

WTF probing

WTF warping on grid

WTF command / titan bonuses sitting in towers w/o a risk in the world.

WTF super cap bouncing... AKA go back to actually implementing formation warps.

WTF desynces were fixed... oh wait.

WTF BOTTING!!!

WTF standings and standings changes. Blobs became bigger as a result of bluing being a 1 15minute change away. And TEMP BLUEING omg even worse.

How is it the only way to have fun in 0.0 is to become a nomad non space holding alliances sitting in an unconquerable station with jump clones and bridges to escape system when camped all the while destroying the space people hold while avoiding the horrible nature of sov warfare and making more money doing it.

and more....

I'm Down
Posted - 2011.06.24 02:30:00 - [2]
 

Edited by: I''m Down on 24/06/2011 02:30:11
Originally by: Jade Constantine

Sure when you have been playing Eve as long as we have you learn to take the rough with the smooth but you do so with the general feeling that CCP developers understand and “get” what makes Eve great – and that’s the problem now. This internal newsletter (if real) shows that one of the leading developers does not “get eve” does not care about eve, and simply sees eve as a cash cow to be milked ferociously to fund other projects. This is about keeping the golden goose of eve subscriptions (on a drip feed if necessary) while chasing and grubbing every little loose cent he can from the player base.

Let me give you a couple of examples of how this can and does (and has already) impacted our enjoyment of this game:

1. The Captains Quarters – it’s not gameplay its a display cabinet for vanity items. And the price of this display cabinet for you and I is that multi-client performance in stations is now terrible – if you have a bad graphic card it’s a jerk fest – if you have a decent graphics card it’s heat-fest. I can run 3-4 clients with CQ’s turned on – I can run it smoothly – but do I want to? Hell no because my Gtx 580 sounds like its melting my motherboard now! So I need to turn off the CQ’s on multiple accounts and as a result have more limited functionality on those accounts and an ugly wallpaper. No more station environment, no more clicking on my ship to open cargo hold, no more dragging ship to the hanger to board it. The delivery of the CQ vanity item display case has impacted my gameplay.

CCP could have made it optional and given us the option of keeping the old hanger view and added a “disembark ship” option to the UI but “oh no” to do that would have meant we weren’t being forced to look the vanity display case that marketing insisted must be front and centre if we’re to even think about buying these ridiculously overpriced items from the Noble store.

2. If you read the newsletter you’ll see reference to saved fitting slots – and I don’t know about you Verone but in JF we’ve run out of saved corp ship fittings. We want CCP to up the limit but is that really going to happen while the “biz-devs” talk honeyed words about how to squeeze extra income from players for such “minor upgrades.”? How long till we pay aurum for extra corp standing slots? For wardec options? For a usable corp management screen?

3. And who develops these vanity items? Yes thats right its Eve artists and developers whose salary we pay with our subscriptions. Given the choice wouldn’t you rather have engine trails and flashy cyno effect for all players rather than a bunch of overpriced tat in the Aur store for a fleeced few?

Because that is precisely the compromise being made here -> CCP using our subs money to pay for vanity item production they want to sell back to us for greedy prices and it is something you SHOULD get mad about.

So here’s the thing.

The time to fight for the game we love is not in six months time when these concepts have bedded down and CCP is feeling bold enough to start selling Noble Faction ammo and +9 implants. The time to fight is now. Because this newsletter embodies everything that many of us feared but didn’t want to believe CCP were becoming capable of. It is a massive betrayal of the compact we shared as players and developers of this game and indicates that CCP is preparing to leap down a very dark and deep path of self-immolation in the months to come.

I don’t want to see Eve Online die Verone. That sounds dramatic I know, but gameworlds die when the dreams and visions are extinguished and that can happen through a succession of bad ideas foisted on a community by people who really don’t have much of a clue in business.

I'm Down
Posted - 2011.06.24 02:33:00 - [3]
 

saved

I'm Down
Posted - 2011.06.24 02:36:00 - [4]
 

saved

BlueMajere
Caldari
North Eastern Swat
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2011.06.24 02:46:00 - [5]
 

no.

Max Butched
Gallente
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2011.06.24 02:47:00 - [6]
 

ubad

Leuthispar
North Eastern Swat
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2011.06.24 03:04:00 - [7]
 

Edited by: Leuthispar on 24/06/2011 03:07:05
Now that the coalition of cluster ****s doesnt have the biggest super/titan fleet supers are OP, but they werent for the past 2 years... uh huh

Oh now that your ****ty alliance doesnt hold space all of .0 is broken huh, maybe you should have spoken up when CSM Vuk Lao told us he didnt see any reason to push for a change in .0 sov mechanics because it would hamper his RMT empire, I mean his alliance.

I'm Down
Posted - 2011.06.24 03:11:00 - [8]
 

Originally by: Leuthispar
Edited by: Leuthispar on 24/06/2011 03:07:05
Now that the coalition of cluster ****s doesnt have the biggest super/titan fleet supers are OP, but they werent for the past 2 years... uh huh

Oh now that your ****ty alliance doesnt hold space all of .0 is broken huh, maybe you should have spoken up when CSM Vuk Lao told us he didnt see any reason to push for a change in .0 sov mechanics because it would hamper his RMT empire, I mean his alliance.


really? go research the post history of yaay, luckyduck, and I'm down. Nope, never ever tried to get 0.0 fixes... EVAR.

PL dev alts logging in to act like ****s once more.

Soban Vuex
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2011.06.24 03:12:00 - [9]
 

Why are you so angry?
Did you:
[ ] Lost Space?
[ ] Lost Super?
[ ] Lost Sense of reallity?
[ ] Lost Fleets?
[ ] Lost Blues?
[ ] Lost History?
[ ] Lost Mind?
[ ] All of the above?

Mike Takumi
Caldari
hirr
Morsus Mihi
Posted - 2011.06.24 03:53:00 - [10]
 

How about you tards add some content instead of just saying no?

I know it's Yaay and all, and even I only agree with about 10% of what he ever posts. But at least read more than just alliance ticker and reply with more than just brainless drivel.

Mike Takumi
Caldari
hirr
Morsus Mihi
Posted - 2011.06.24 04:09:00 - [11]
 

Originally by: I'm Down
If it's not them, then it's their management who's fubar not giving the editors the right to tell someone their work is **** and do it over.

By looking at the things being implemented, and from the things clearly disgruntled employees are leaking, management has been either non existant, or completely tunnel visioned onto money.

Seriously, how do you guys go about setting an agenda? I don't get how you guys prioritize patch work over there because it's like you avoid anything that's relevant.

Funny thing is, it kind of started after they really started pushing about their "focus groups"

I'd be happy with the station stuff if it were part of a bigger patch. But tossing this out without any significant fixes to 0.0 all the while telling us it's 6 more months til we can hope for some relevant fixes to supers, sov, and other 0.0 fiascos and not even touching the other major problems more than likely is not a way to keep customers around.

Most live in empire, and they've been quite clear they want to pander to them as much as possible. Just look at all the empire changes over the last 2 years. Even the empire dwellers are ****ed over this "expansion"

I mean FFS dudes, we told you Supers would be a problem the moment seleenes ******ed ass announced it. We told you exactly what the problem would be. You didn't listen then and now you act totally ignorant of the problem that came true.

Same thing for Tech when the T2 changes happened. Again, tunnel vision, fix one problem, ignore repercussions

Short of dreads, no capital ship has any balance or role in this game. Carriers are a joke and have been a fiasco since launch. SC/Moms have been an even bigger blunder b/c they're carriers on steriods but not really b/c they cost too much so "we have to give them more overpowered ****" Titans are just everything that would make dreads overpowered if they weren't balanced while tossing on 40x more HP and oh yeah, a 1 shot kill weapon that every game ever invented knows is a failed idea.

Carriers had a role before Supers were boosted to become overpowered, and were pretty well balanced. Titans are balanced except for DD en masse. Combine current and past DD damage, make it single target, but only powerful enough to kill any subcap ship. Motherships just flat out need a hard nerf. Remove their ability to RR, cut their HP by 75%, cut FB damage in half. Do SOMETHING!

Bombers are a joke

What? No, they're fine

Fleet warping in blobs is a fiasco

Only problem is with Super blobs, which is a problem in itself




My comments in bold

Mike Takumi
Caldari
hirr
Morsus Mihi
Posted - 2011.06.24 04:22:00 - [12]
 

Originally by: I'm Down

Drones are out of control "fix it balance items" that have no logic to their implementation on 90% of the ships in game.

Drones currently are just horribly coded and create far more lag then they should, otherwise (besides FB's) they're okay

Dictor bubbles last to long. Hictor bubbles don't stay up long enough and are too big for a movable bubble.

:facepalm: no, just no

POS have every flaw possible for what they are.

Only with their times to online/anchor/unanchor and fuel, otherwise, fine

Sov stuctures are a joke in every fashion

They are a hell of a lot better than POS's determining sov

Sov warfare is even more of a joke.

Only because of ship inbalances, aka supers

There's no balance between ship sizes/classes anymore.

See above

There's no sense of races.

Has there ever? WTF are you on about?

There's no reason to do mixed racial fleets. It's either all amarr, all matar, or all caldari missile spamming ***gotry.

Well, there is, if you can micromanage/have sub fc's to manage the other types

WTF Minmatar guns on almost every BS.... cause of a "balance change.

That's more due to lag being so horrific, besides hybrids, guns are pretty balanced

WTF hybrids.

They need lots of love, you either can **** on someone from way afar, or fire a nuke that goes 10 inches

Range warfare really means between 40 and 90...

See all of the above

WTF probing

It's fixed now, nothing wrong with it

WTF warping on grid

Again, WTF are you on about?

WTF command / titan bonuses sitting in towers w/o a risk in the world.

No risk in spies in fleet trying to bump them out, no sir

WTF super cap bouncing... AKA go back to actually implementing formation warps.

Yes, this is actually annoying, but perhaps if game mechanics weren't so much "he with the most ****s wins" this wouldn't be so much a problem as you wouldn't need to warp 200 supers at once

WTF desynces were fixed... oh wait.

Lag was pretty well fixed before too, then FB's were made, and other changes that apparently nullified all that progress. CODE BETTER, FFS!

WTF BOTTING!!!

This a million times, it's ****ing the economy to hell

WTF standings and standings changes. Blobs became bigger as a result of bluing being a 1 15minute change away. And TEMP BLUEING omg even worse.

Not really a CCP problem, idk what you're getting at here? People will do what they can to attain the upper hand, this will never change.

How is it the only way to have fun in 0.0 is to become a nomad non space holding alliances sitting in an unconquerable station with jump clones and bridges to escape system when camped all the while destroying the space people hold while avoiding the horrible nature of sov warfare and making more money doing it.

Take a deep breath, look at this run on sentence, and make it legible please



Again, my comments in bold.

This is how you make a post, "lol no" and "u mad?" are not content or appropriate replies unless the OP is a completely drooling idiot.

KosmikZA
The Arrow Project
Morsus Mihi
Posted - 2011.06.24 04:47:00 - [13]
 

Just to add 2c about some of the stupidity that is Incarna.

I found myself needing to re-arm yesterday so docked up and wanted to transfer ammo. Even that is now trickier, the only way to access my ships cargo bay was through the ship list and right clicking on the bay. Why? BECAUSE the stupid incarna engine left my character stuck on the gangplank and would not recognise walk commands.

Why force incarna, it makes sense that people will dock, reload, change ships etc without ever exiting their pods, not that they will always exit the pod while docked. And the simple way to solve the propblem? Have a new button below the undock that let's you exit your pod into Incarna, that way those that enjoy the incarna experiance can and those that are busy with Eve are not interrupted.

Incarna is not a bad concept but it should be a expansion to the game and optional not a forced mechanic that ruins it. It is the worst patch/expansion in Eve that I have ever experianced.


BlueMajere
Caldari
North Eastern Swat
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2011.06.24 05:02:00 - [14]
 

Quote:


Again, my comments in bold.

This is how you make a post, "lol no" and "u mad?" are not content or appropriate replies unless the OP is a completely drooling idiot.


but he is.

Mike Takumi
Caldari
hirr
Morsus Mihi
Posted - 2011.06.24 05:36:00 - [15]
 

I guess you are too, so mad you can't even think to reply with anything. Somehow winning made you more bitter somehow.

Plague Black
4S Corporation
Morsus Mihi
Posted - 2011.06.24 07:31:00 - [16]
 

Good points op. But you are only listing thy sypmtoms or sickness and not defining the root cause. I usually stick to trolling on these forums as they are not a place for any reasonable discussion due to so many hopelessly immature pubbies (hi PL) posting here but I'll do one exception and will tell you where I see the problem (and only because of respect towars the love for EVE my fellow RAWRrians have).

CCP has serious lack of corporate maturity. They have no clue what they have created which has been proven over past years. Starting with entire "devs play this game and feed their alliance memebers with exclusive ingame items" through "lets change things we do not understand for the sake of change without consulting player base" ending it with scrum implementation in their development teams. Most people here have no clue what scrum so this is directed to ccp management: I have worked as consultant in 4 different companies over the last 6 years that implemented scrum. It did not work. It does not work if your fundamentals are bad, it is not a silver bullet. If your company is crappy it will stay crappy even after you hide it under scrum rug. You should lynch whoever sold you the idea of scrum. But again this is just a symptom of your lack of knowledge on what you have in your hands. And saying that others are crappier then you, like Sony, will not make you look any better. One more sign towards "scrum phails" club is detoriation of quality and I think it is evident that EVE has not bee properly tested in years now.

Bottom line is that CCP is acting as a group of 14 year old kids who came up with brilliant algorithmic trading app that could smoke global derivative markets but they keep using it to fix prices of bubble gums at local candy store.

Having said all this I need to point out that EVE is going down no matter what. There is no saving it as, in my opinion, it has crossed the no-return-point 2 years ago and it is in constant decline. I have not glanced at the code (maybe I should consult some of me RMTing Slavic "cousins" for this as they seem to have access to it) but judging by the state and complexity of the game I'm pretty sure that technical debt is huge and beyond repair and only a full re-write can help here from that side. Resources to re-write is are being used to add walking in stations, overpriced monocles and mirrors for us to admire our avatars instead. Think of EVE as a house of cards where each new card is piled on top. It will collapse once you add to many cards as foundations can not be changed due great complexity.

But it is not all that bad. I give EVE another 2, maybe 3 years before it starts going SWG path and starts housing only hard core fanbois and rest of the population moves on. There is also something positive about it as there will be no lag caused by huge battles as there will be no one to fight them. You reap what you saw and CCP has not handles the sawing part very well lately so they deserve what is coming.

Now if I may ask my fellow aliance mate to keep serious discussion to RAWR forums in the future as SMACKOAD is not a place to share intelligent thoughts.

P.S. I predict at leats 3 "umad" posts by 9 year olds who's parrents don't lock their home PCs when they go to work after mine and at least 20 people who will google "scrum" after reading my post.

Alkad Mzu
hirr
Morsus Mihi
Posted - 2011.06.24 09:03:00 - [17]
 

It's all about priorities. You can prioritize enhancing your product, thus giving your customers value for their money, AND you can prioritize revenue increasing features.

You fail when you replace AND with OR, and to be honest, for us regular Joes it looks like that's exactly what you've gone and done.

Shame, I quite enjoyed this game.

Kaelie Onren
Minmatar
Posted - 2011.06.24 09:58:00 - [18]
 

As for the poor graphics in CQ for toon models -- Give them a break. It's v1.0.
I'm sure if they turned on the full render engine then all those whiners that complain about incarna being too intense for their laptops will have a cow.

I'm certain the graphics will be updated once the larger part of the player base gets new graphics cards. As for why it looks great in the character generator and horrible in the CQ... take a computer graphics class :)

Drake Draconis
Minmatar
Shadow Cadre
Shadow Confederation
Posted - 2011.06.24 13:48:00 - [19]
 

Originally by: I'm Down


Bombers are a joke



Stopped reading and considered the entire post a joke.

Mallak Azaria
Three 6 MaFiA
KRYSIS.
Posted - 2011.06.24 16:12:00 - [20]
 

Originally by: I'm Down
Hictor bubbles don't stay up long enough


Obvious troll is obvious.

I'm Down
Posted - 2011.06.24 17:09:00 - [21]
 

Originally by: Drake Draconis
Originally by: I'm Down


Bombers are a joke



Stopped reading and considered the entire post a joke.


I've always said you don't need to change bombers to fix the problem with bombing. The problem is more alligned to fleet warping and bridging causing fleets to blob in rediculously compact format that just screams bomb the living **** out of me before I've even loaded. Fleet formation warping fixes bombing w/o touching bombers and achieves the ultimate goal for why bombers were implemented, which is focused fire range dictation.

But CCP has not touched fleet warping for 7 years of promised remarks while bombers have seen three iterations. So for lack of better fleet warping mehcanics, bombers are indeed problematic.

but you show the typical thoughtless remark rather than research or looking at outside the very small box.

Higgs Foton
hirr
Morsus Mihi
Posted - 2011.06.24 17:21:00 - [22]
 

Well.......

I don't know about all this internal CCP stuff, but i logged in a few back after i had to reinstall THE ENTIRE GAME after the client wouldn't patch and the repairtool actually BROKE the client. I checked my mail, checked my skill training. Chatted somewhat in corp chat, and was online for about 10 minutes and after all that time THE STATION WAS STILL LOADING. Soooooo...... while many 3D game developers manage to get load times for 3D maps for games under 30 seconds, CCP can't manage it under 10 minutes for just ONE ROOM. That is pretty epic fail.

And for those vanity items? If i want to spend real life cash in a space game for "items" i just use that money to get me a tough upgraded line in Battlestar Galactica online. Which i did btw. Not gonna pay for stupid vanity items.

Rollback seems a reasonable way to go as far as i am concerned. I like ship spinning and i want it back.

Phoebe Halliwel
Posted - 2011.06.24 19:59:00 - [23]
 

Apart from your epic rant, all that really stood out here was:
Originally by: I'm Down
I wish so much they'd hire me

Razz

There are votes up at the top of the forum for MT, Incarna and CCP overall direction. Most of which actually propose a solution, and discuss the issues in some detail. Your post here is basically a tirade, take it back to your alliance forums tbh.
Originally by: I'm Down
WTF standings and standings changes. Blobs became bigger as a result of bluing being a 1 15minute change away. And TEMP BLUEING omg even worse.

WTF are YOU crying about temp bluing for, or blob warfare?? I've never heard more "spam your corps, spam your alliances, we need numbers" from anyone as much as NC FCs, seriously, get your head out of your arse.


 

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