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General Xenophon
Posted - 2011.06.23 22:32:00 - [31]
 

Edited by: General Xenophon on 23/06/2011 22:32:43
Originally by: Lei Fai
From what iv seen so far, the majority of the incarna whine threads have been in regards to the graphic load that CQ puts on your machine. It seems that rather than seeing the game evolve and progress(requiring better hardware to run), people would like to see Eve stagnate and die. I'd like to point such people to the statement "adapt or die". It is not CCP's fault that you have decided not to upgrade your machine since 2006. This is a formal request to those who refuse to upgrade. Quit quietly and not scare off new players to a game you don't play anymore.

Thank you


You're an idiot. Thanks for letting us all know now so we don't have to read your posts anymore.

Sir Hillary
Posted - 2011.06.23 22:36:00 - [32]
 

Originally by: Lei Fai
From what iv seen so far, the majority of the incarna whine threads have been in regards to the graphic load that CQ puts on your machine. It seems that rather than seeing the game evolve and progress(requiring better hardware to run), people would like to see Eve stagnate and die. I'd like to point such people to the statement "adapt or die". It is not CCP's fault that you have decided not to upgrade your machine since 2006. This is a formal request to those who refuse to upgrade. Quit quietly and not scare off new players to a game you don't play anymore.

Thank you


I think you miss the point. Yes, the reason people have trouble is because their hardware can't hack the new stuff. However, the fact that a small room with a person walking around it causes enough load that people have such issues, that is a problem.

Tu Ko
Predator's Inc.
Posted - 2011.06.23 22:38:00 - [33]
 

Originally by: Kaptajn Jespersen
I also went nuts in Age of Conan


liar, you can't go nuts with a game that has 750 average ping and server dc's every few minutes

Mouthy Misses
Posted - 2011.06.23 22:40:00 - [34]
 

i have played lots of new games this year and never had a problem with a single one of em

yet eve tries to kill my pc

my pc isnt new but it isnt old

crysis2 bullet storm brink dirt 3 to name a few

but one poxy pointless room (that i have never asked for or supported) trys to fry my cpu (thank god for my scythe monstor thing) and my gpu!!

oh and to the OP your a tard

Lexxxii
Posted - 2011.06.24 09:17:00 - [35]
 

Originally by: Lei Fai
From what iv seen so far, the majority of the incarna whine threads have been in regards to the graphic load that CQ puts on your machine. It seems that rather than seeing the game evolve and progress(requiring better hardware to run), people would like to see Eve stagnate and die. I'd like to point such people to the statement "adapt or die". It is not CCP's fault that you have decided not to upgrade your machine since 2006. This is a formal request to those who refuse to upgrade. Quit quietly and not scare off new players to a game you don't play anymore.

Thank you


/facepalm

Fi1ippo
Gallente
The Scope
Posted - 2011.06.24 09:21:00 - [36]
 

Originally by: vyseman
Nope. You didn't get it.


A lot of you people are blaming CCP for CQ crashing your sub par, poorly maintained systems.

CQ is awesome, now its time for you guys and gals to take better care of your investmant. Heres a tip: running your computer in 85 degree rooms is not going to help.

My computer with a 6 year old motherboard, psu, hardrive, and all the wiring can run CQ, max graphics, on one screen and Oblivion with maxed out graphics on the other screen.

If you are having computer issues, YOU are doing something wrong.

Atticus Fynch
Gallente
Posted - 2011.06.24 09:21:00 - [37]
 

Quote:
So CCP should be held accountable for your sub par machine?


no, but they should be held accountable for their sub-par product.

Patient 2428190
DEGRREE'Fo'FREE Internet Business School
Posted - 2011.06.24 09:23:00 - [38]
 

Its an alpha version of a game that is releasing in three years.

Fi1ippo
Gallente
The Scope
Posted - 2011.06.24 09:25:00 - [39]
 

Originally by: Atticus Fynch
Quote:
So CCP should be held accountable for your sub par machine?


no, but they should be held accountable for their sub-par product.


Its the first, minor step into something much bigger. Its also not their fault you expected more of it then was actually presented to you.

I have encounters zero bugs, zero crashes, no hiccups in frame rate or computer load performance...is it polished? no. is it perfect? no. Because its just a baby step, a sampler.

Thats the other thing that gets me, people expecting walking in stations to be a huge game changer right out of the gate with incarna.

Alexis Sachs
Posted - 2011.06.24 09:27:00 - [40]
 

Originally by: Patient 2428190
Its an alpha version of a game that is releasing in three years.



I don't think this is getting repeated enough. We're paying to alpha test WoD. Not, we're paying for them to make/test it... No, we're paying to test it. That does not make me happy.

Cancel Align NOW
Posted - 2011.06.24 09:28:00 - [41]
 

If the only thing you see on these forums is threads relating to graphic load, then I am afraid your ability to read must be called into question.

Lexxxii
Posted - 2011.06.24 09:29:00 - [42]
 

Edited by: Lexxxii on 24/06/2011 09:30:30
I’ll spell it out here, seeing as some people are having problems understanding:

People are not complaining about Incarna, they are complaining about not having a choice to run CQ. When it was originally presented, CCP clearly mentioned that it would be an OPTION when you docked. This has now been changed, and the option not to load the station environments is likely to be removed at some point.

Your point about getting a new PC:
I have a very high spec PC, that is less than 2 months old and I run 2 clients on it. I noted the performance before and after Incarna...

CPU load has gone from 6% to 60% across all 6 cores
GPU temperature has gone from 40 degrees to 88 degrees
GPU fan speed has gone from 20% to 50%

Clearly it has nothing to do with the age or quality of the hardware. So you are wrong there.

There is also an issue over the functionality of the station:
You can no longer double click in the hanger to quickly open your cargo.
You can no longer drag a ship into the hanger to make it active

All these issues could be sorted by just re-introducing the original hanger and providing a “disembark” button.

People who wanted to play Eve could, and people who wanted to play dress up also could.

It baffles me why CCP don’t just make this simple change which would make everyone happy. . The only possible reason they could have for not doing this is to try and force people to enter the vanity store and spend the cost of a Dreadnought on a freaking monacle.

Demure Guise
Posted - 2011.06.24 09:30:00 - [43]
 

It IS pretty funny that some people still think it's the graphics people are angry at.

Isis Soryu
Caldari
Universitas Interimo Research
Posted - 2011.06.24 09:32:00 - [44]
 

Ban thread, gas op

Elondris Singh
Gallente
Posted - 2011.06.24 09:34:00 - [45]
 

Originally by: Demure Guise
It IS pretty funny that some people still think it's the graphics people are angry at.


Not gonna lie: I am a little ****ed that I have to keep upgrading my machine to within-last-six-months standards to keep playing.
Think of what CQ is doing to people's graphics cards. Now imagine a full station lobby of avatars. If things continue the way they are, if you don't have a $3000 computer, you're done. I WANT to enjoy CQ. I WANT to enjoy WiS - but at this rate I'll never be able to afford it.
So yes, I am miffed over it.

However, it's certainly not at the top of my list regarding Incarna.


RJBlues
Posted - 2011.06.24 09:36:00 - [46]
 

clueless Lei Fai.. shame on you for not taking the time and think about what it is that people are actually talking about.

Alexis Sachs
Posted - 2011.06.24 09:37:00 - [47]
 

Originally by: Lexxxii
Edited by: Lexxxii on 24/06/2011 09:30:30
I’ll spell it out here, seeing as some people are having problems understanding:

People are not complaining about Incarna, they are complaining about not having a choice to run CQ. When it was originally presented, CCP clearly mentioned that it would be an OPTION when you docked. This has now been changed, and the option not to load the station environments is likely to be removed at some point.

Your point about getting a new PC:
I have a very high spec PC, that is less than 2 months old and I run 2 clients on it. I noted the performance before and after Incarna...

CPU load has gone from 6% to 60% across all 6 cores
GPU temperature has gone from 40 degrees to 88 degrees
GPU fan speed has gone from 20% to 50%

Clearly it has nothing to do with the age or quality of the hardware. So you are wrong there.

There is also an issue over the functionality of the station:
You can no longer double click in the hanger to quickly open your cargo.
You can no longer drag a ship into the hanger to make it active

All these issues could be sorted by just re-introducing the original hanger and providing a “disembark” button.

People who wanted to play Eve could, and people who wanted to play dress up also could.

It baffles me why CCP don’t just make this simple change which would make everyone happy. . The only possible reason they could have for not doing this is to try and force people to enter the vanity store and spend the cost of a Dreadnought on a freaking monacle.



You've got my vote. I've been saying the same thing. I'm happy for the folks who like CQ. I wish they'd support those of us who want the previously promised option of choice. I can't say I've noticed similar spikes in temps, but I did see a bump in cpu utilization. Fortunately for me, I can play it, and dual box it.

I want the choice of using Incarna when I'd like, and ignoring it when I don't. We can now, but remember, it's a "temporary" "convenience."

Mnengli Noiliffe
Posted - 2011.06.24 09:45:00 - [48]
 

Edited by: Mnengli Noiliffe on 24/06/2011 09:46:41
its not just the machine.

1. no matter how good the machine is, the avatars look like dolls because the face expressions are fixed+dumb and the lightning engine is terrible. so why bother doing this sub par engine if it can't deliver like CC did?

2. the loading time of CQ is too long. on ANY machine, ok maybe it's better with fastest SSD out there, but those are more like a luxury these days. If you just dock to get some ammo or swap a module or to load/unload cargo then this wait is completely redundant and extremely annoying.

why would you need to exit pod every time you dock in the first place? can't you give orders to the heavy lifting team from the pod? this is just silly.

CQ should have some NEW activities tied to it that would REQUIRE you to exit the pod, then it would make some sense. Now why would you do that if all you got there is sub par apartment room with no hookers and nothing you can't do from space?

Analog Kid
Minmatar
Posted - 2011.06.24 09:50:00 - [49]
 

Originally by: Lei Fai
From what iv seen so far, the majority of the incarna whine threads have been in regards to the graphic load that CQ puts on your machine. It seems that rather than seeing the game evolve and progress(requiring better hardware to run), people would like to see Eve stagnate and die. I'd like to point such people to the statement "adapt or die". It is not CCP's fault that you have decided not to upgrade your machine since 2006. This is a formal request to those who refuse to upgrade. Quit quietly and not scare off new players to a game you don't play anymore.

Thank you


I have a water cooled i7 960 over clocked to 4.4 with 6 gigs of ram, dual x-fire water cooled ATI 5870's and 2 solid state drives in RAID 0 using SATA 3

Guess what?

Eve runs like **** when sitting in station.

I mean yeah this system is a year old now and all but I have this weird feeling that the problem isnt on my end

Othran
Brutor Tribe
Posted - 2011.06.24 09:55:00 - [50]
 

Turn off "Physically simulate cloth & hair". That's the part which is killing performance/frying cards and frankly it should be off by default. I have told everyone I've heard complaining about CQ performance/heat to do this and they're all happier after it - especially ATI users as its using your cpu, not gpu to simulate hair/cloth.

If you have two NVidia cards then try setting PhysX to run on one of them and the client(s) on the other. You should find that works pretty well even with cloth/hair simulation on.

HTH.

Issona
Posted - 2011.06.24 09:55:00 - [51]
 

Originally by: Analog Kid
dual x-fire water cooled ATI 5870's


And thats most likley the problem, im running an almost identical setup to you except with a GTX295 gpu and run 3 clients without a problem on max.

After all we now know CCP and Nvidia are sleeping together

Kira Mitsuko
Posted - 2011.06.24 10:07:00 - [52]
 

Runs absolutly fine on max at 38-42 degrees on everythiing,

2 clients docked in station with CQ running uses:

hovering 18-25% CPU

2.28 GB of ram, but i have itunes, IE, Chrome, Skype, Steam,VLC, wordpad excel and minecraft(at menu) open

This is across 2 1080p HD tv's at 37"

Nothing wrong (in my opion) for the CQ area and the graphics updates.

Analog Kid
Minmatar
Posted - 2011.06.24 10:09:00 - [53]
 

Originally by: Issona
Originally by: Analog Kid
dual x-fire water cooled ATI 5870's


And thats most likley the problem, im running an almost identical setup to you except with a GTX295 gpu and run 3 clients without a problem on max.

After all we now know CCP and Nvidia are sleeping together


Maybe.... but I play other games besides EVE and they all run great maxed out.

Right now I am sitting on sofa in station getting 36 fps.... I can undock and get into a fleet fight with 400 people on grid with brackets on and get like 60 fps.

Something isnt right they must some super inefficient rendering when in station.

Hell I can play World War II Online right now and be doing a Stuka drive bombing run at 500 infantry and armor players on the ground in a big town like Antwerp with 20 miles of visibility turned on and get more FPS then I do sitting in station in EVE doing nothing.

Foralai Altrus
Posted - 2011.06.24 10:15:00 - [54]
 

Originally by: Analog Kid
Originally by: Issona
Originally by: Analog Kid
dual x-fire water cooled ATI 5870's


And thats most likley the problem, im running an almost identical setup to you except with a GTX295 gpu and run 3 clients without a problem on max.

After all we now know CCP and Nvidia are sleeping together


Maybe.... but I play other games besides EVE and they all run great maxed out.

Right now I am sitting on sofa in station getting 36 fps.... I can undock and get into a fleet fight with 400 people on grid with brackets on and get like 60 fps.

Something isnt right they must some super inefficient rendering when in station.

Hell I can play World War II Online right now and be doing a Stuka drive bombing run at 500 infantry and armor players on the ground in a big town like Antwerp with 20 miles of visibility turned on and get more FPS then I do sitting in station in EVE doing nothing.


They semi optimized the code for NVIDIA chips, and did nothing to make it work well on ATI (in fact they have workarounds to get decent performance on one. Explains why my work system redlines, it's an ATI card setup)

So the problem is a barely alpha mess slapped onto eve in order to roll out the MT store early and make money.

Even the minmatar would scream at the patchwork done to do it.

Di Mulle
Posted - 2011.06.24 10:19:00 - [55]
 

Originally by: Lei Fai
This is a formal request to those who refuse to upgrade.
Thank you


Your are not in a power to do formal requests to start with. Also, you have no clue.

Probably you are just one of the "look at my rig specs" crowd.

Haraldhardrade
Amarr
Pax Amarr
Posted - 2011.06.24 10:22:00 - [56]
 

Originally by: Fi1ippo
Originally by: vyseman
Nope. You didn't get it.


A lot of you people are blaming CCP for CQ crashing your sub par, poorly maintained systems.


If you are having computer issues, YOU are doing something wrong.


Ah, what a delightful and closed minded post. I have no problems, so other people problems must be due to their
sub par systems. There is absolutely no reason to why captain quarters should make the fans on a GTX570 go crazy, unless the
code and engine are terrible. Something they obviously are.


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