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Janus Talmash
Talmash Imports and Exports Group
Posted - 2011.06.23 12:05:00 - [1]
 

Edited by: Janus Talmash on 23/06/2011 12:05:35
Every time one of my friends (from other games) said this I could and would counter with "EVE is fantastic, sure it has it's problems but if you stop playing it like a grind and start to use your braincells a bit it's quite good and a lot of fun, you just don't get EVE".

But after recent changes if someone would say this to me now, I'd hang my head in shame and just be quiet, unable and unwilling to defend or counter. Apart from the fact that a portion of your playerbase lost all their faith in CCP (and they're used to some dodgy CCP **** over the years, so that's quite a feat) it also means EVE lost it's main marketing strength; word of mouth.

By being enthusiastic I've pulled in many new players over the years, people giving it a go because I explained the game a bit and handheld them through their first steps. I've run corporations to help people get on their feet, I've been in help channel to bring some sanity and facts. By doing so I helped people climb the learning curve, to go beyond the 14 day trial and make it into the game proper.

No more, just because admitting that you play EVE atm means that you're either a clueless moron or a complete fanboy who is incapable of questioning bad decisions. Luckily I'm neither, good luck with your NGE.

Ripperljohn
Caldari
Ore Mongers
Posted - 2011.06.23 12:07:00 - [2]
 

Edited by: Ripperljohn on 23/06/2011 12:07:24
You may be taking your e-honor a bit too serious.

Just sayin'

Ineka
Gallente
Center for Advanced Studies
Posted - 2011.06.23 12:08:00 - [3]
 

Before you leave send me your stuff pliz, I have good plans for it.

Nullity
Gallente
Posted - 2011.06.23 12:08:00 - [4]
 

We're definitely on the verge of a "new" EVE, complete with a new customer base. CCP was once regarded as a bastion of respectability, vision, and independence in the industry. Now they're known for "space horse armor." It's a massive fall from grace.

Fugly duck
Posted - 2011.06.23 12:11:00 - [5]
 

Originally by: Janus Talmash
Edited by: Janus Talmash on 23/06/2011 12:05:35
Every time one of my friends (from other games) said this I could and would counter with "EVE is fantastic, sure it has it's problems but if you stop playing it like a grind and start to use your braincells a bit it's quite good and a lot of fun, you just don't get EVE".

But after recent changes if someone would say this to me now, I'd hang my head in shame and just be quiet, unable and unwilling to defend or counter. Apart from the fact that a portion of your playerbase lost all their faith in CCP (and they're used to some dodgy CCP **** over the years, so that's quite a feat) it also means EVE lost it's main marketing strength; word of mouth.

By being enthusiastic I've pulled in many new players over the years, people giving it a go because I explained the game a bit and handheld them through their first steps. I've run corporations to help people get on their feet, I've been in help channel to bring some sanity and facts. By doing so I helped people climb the learning curve, to go beyond the 14 day trial and make it into the game proper.

No more, just because admitting that you play EVE atm means that you're either a clueless moron or a complete fanboy who is incapable of questioning bad decisions. Luckily I'm neither, good luck with your NGE.[/quotI

I agree, CCP have gone off the rais with this one, I mean wth are they thinking? I suspect they are simply milking the last drop out of the game before they shut the game down or leave it unmodded for the game to fold in on itself,I've seen this before, just leave the servers running until people just think frack it and leave then shut the game down, why else would such madness be put in into the game?

Rykuss
Gallente
Posted - 2011.06.23 12:13:00 - [6]
 

Originally by: Janus Talmash
you're either a clueless moron or a complete fanboy who is incapable of questioning bad decisions.


Good riddance. We could do with less of you "line in the sand types" around here anyway. Next! Very Happy

Esu Nahalas
Yote Patrol
Posted - 2011.06.23 12:17:00 - [7]
 

I feel the same way . . . just about this forum, though.

In all seriousness, I fondly remember when this forum was fun to read.

Huyai Tsukurit
Caldari
Grau Foundation
Posted - 2011.06.23 12:19:00 - [8]
 

You must know some very judgmental people. This was a "free" exapansion and therefore I am not sure there is all that much to complain about. It changed certain things sure, but did not break the game, for the most part EVE is exactly as it was on Monday.

Elienore
Posted - 2011.06.23 12:21:00 - [9]
 

Originally by: Nullity
We're definitely on the verge of a "new" EVE, complete with a new customer base. CCP was once regarded as a bastion of respectability, vision, and independence in the industry. Now they're known for "space horse armor." It's a massive fall from grace.


To be honest, it's only been like that the past 24hr or so (or even a bit before), so it's a bit early to go that grim.

It is pretty much the only thing I'm worried about though, I really do hope it doesn't have too much of a negative impact :l

Nullity
Gallente
Posted - 2011.06.23 12:21:00 - [10]
 

Edited by: Nullity on 23/06/2011 12:22:51
Originally by: Huyai Tsukurit
You must know some very judgmental people. This was a "free" exapansion and therefore I am not sure there is all that much to complain about. It changed certain things sure, but did not break the game, for the most part EVE is exactly as it was on Monday.

1) The expansions aren't free. There's a certain expectation that when you pay a monthly subscription to a MMO, you get more content back over time. True, some other MMOs charge for expansions, but I'd consider that to be one of the primary reasons I do not play other MMOs since that act is incredibly sleazy.
2) It did break the game. Stations are now noticeably slower than they ever were, and the only way to get around that is to stare at a picture of a door (CCP is literally showing us the door at this point). In addition to this, the MTs described by the newsletter which will affect gameplay will break the fundamental foundations of the game.

Originally by: Elienore
Originally by: Nullity
We're definitely on the verge of a "new" EVE, complete with a new customer base. CCP was once regarded as a bastion of respectability, vision, and independence in the industry. Now they're known for "space horse armor." It's a massive fall from grace.


To be honest, it's only been like that the past 24hr or so (or even a bit before), so it's a bit early to go that grim.

It is pretty much the only thing I'm worried about though, I really do hope it doesn't have too much of a negative impact :l

Think about all the neglect that EVE has gone through for the past few years as a result of development going into Dust, WOD, and Incarna/the MT shop. It hasn't "been like that" for the past day. It's been like this for years only now it's more visible than ever.

Katra Novac
Posted - 2011.06.23 12:25:00 - [11]
 

Originally by: Nullity
We're definitely on the verge of a "new" EVE, complete with a new customer base. CCP was once regarded as a bastion of respectability, vision, and independence in the industry. Now they're known for "space horse armor." It's a massive fall from grace.



That's my feeling too. The nature of the game is on the verge of change not one some of the longer players are likely to welcome. Personally I'm sat on the fence at this time, there's a few pointers I'm keeping an eye out for which would get me off of the fence so to speak.

Laura Kingsley
Amarr
Imperial Academy
Posted - 2011.06.23 12:28:00 - [12]
 

No, me? Playing EVE? Surprised

Apollo Gabriel
Mercatoris
Etherium Cartel
Posted - 2011.06.23 12:39:00 - [13]
 

Originally by: Janus Talmash
Edited by: Janus Talmash on 23/06/2011 12:05:35
Every time one of my friends (from other games) said this I could and would counter with "EVE is fantastic, sure it has it's problems but if you stop playing it like a grind and start to use your braincells a bit it's quite good and a lot of fun, you just don't get EVE".

But after recent changes if someone would say this to me now, I'd hang my head in shame and just be quiet, unable and unwilling to defend or counter. Apart from the fact that a portion of your playerbase lost all their faith in CCP (and they're used to some dodgy CCP **** over the years, so that's quite a feat) it also means EVE lost it's main marketing strength; word of mouth.

By being enthusiastic I've pulled in many new players over the years, people giving it a go because I explained the game a bit and handheld them through their first steps. I've run corporations to help people get on their feet, I've been in help channel to bring some sanity and facts. By doing so I helped people climb the learning curve, to go beyond the 14 day trial and make it into the game proper.

No more, just because admitting that you play EVE atm means that you're either a clueless moron or a complete fanboy who is incapable of questioning bad decisions. Luckily I'm neither, good luck with your NGE.


Sorry to see you go, I unsubbed last night.

Fly safe wherever you go!
AG

dj ore
Posted - 2011.06.23 12:43:00 - [14]
 

Edited by: dj ore on 23/06/2011 12:44:13
yes, a little OTT don't ya think :sighs:

I am proud to be a EVE player still, they just need to sort out a few issues, well OK lots of issues, but I wont go down yr route as i can still play eve the way it was Razz

Huyai Tsukurit
Caldari
Grau Foundation
Posted - 2011.06.23 12:44:00 - [15]
 

Originally by: Nullity
Edited by: Nullity on 23/06/2011 12:22:51
Originally by: Huyai Tsukurit
You must know some very judgmental people. This was a "free" exapansion and therefore I am not sure there is all that much to complain about. It changed certain things sure, but did not break the game, for the most part EVE is exactly as it was on Monday.

1) The expansions aren't free. There's a certain expectation that when you pay a monthly subscription to a MMO, you get more content back over time. True, some other MMOs charge for expansions, but I'd consider that to be one of the primary reasons I do not play other MMOs since that act is incredibly sleazy.
2) It did break the game. Stations are now noticeably slower than they ever were, and the only way to get around that is to stare at a picture of a door (CCP is literally showing us the door at this point). In addition to this, the MTs described by the newsletter which will affect gameplay will break the fundamental foundations of the game.

Originally by: Elienore
Originally by: Nullity
We're definitely on the verge of a "new" EVE, complete with a new customer base. CCP was once regarded as a bastion of respectability, vision, and independence in the industry. Now they're known for "space horse armor." It's a massive fall from grace.


To be honest, it's only been like that the past 24hr or so (or even a bit before), so it's a bit early to go that grim.

It is pretty much the only thing I'm worried about though, I really do hope it doesn't have too much of a negative impact :l

Think about all the neglect that EVE has gone through for the past few years as a result of development going into Dust, WOD, and Incarna/the MT shop. It hasn't "been like that" for the past day. It's been like this for years only now it's more visible than ever.


I feel my point was missed but then we never do write all that we wish to say.

1) stating "free" was my way of ignoring the debate over paid vs sub paid expansion. Over the past 6+ years I have seen masses of new content, tweaks and fixes sometimes that new content has not been of interest to me, but it was still there. Still never fitted a scan probe for example.
2) EVE is a spaceship game if you stay docked in stations all day spinning your ship you weren't really playing to begin with. Most of EVE's content is in space, I have yet to see anything broken there.

Apollo Gabriel
Mercatoris
Etherium Cartel
Posted - 2011.06.23 12:45:00 - [16]
 

Originally by: dj ore
Edited by: dj ore on 23/06/2011 12:44:13
yes, a little OTT don't ya think :sighs:

I am proud to be a EVE player still, they just need to sort out a few issues, well OK lots of issues, but I wont go down yr route as i can still play eve the way it was Razz


Really? Can you help me (no sarcasm)

You can now pay CCP for Battleships, Ammo, faction standing, and bypass all player based industry, not ship exchange, just POOF here's a ship.

Thanks
AG

Nullity
Gallente
Posted - 2011.06.23 12:46:00 - [17]
 

Originally by: Huyai Tsukurit

2) EVE is a spaceship game if you stay docked in stations all day spinning your ship you weren't really playing to begin with. Most of EVE's content is in space, I have yet to see anything broken there.

True, but you have to dock sometimes. If that process is slower than it once was (which it is, noticeably), then the game is broken. Plus, the newsletter promises more game-breaking to come.

Potrondal Morrison
Posted - 2011.06.23 12:50:00 - [18]
 

LMFAO @ OP, you dont play eve do you????
oh wait.....damn.

Huyai Tsukurit
Caldari
Grau Foundation
Posted - 2011.06.23 12:51:00 - [19]
 

Originally by: Nullity
Originally by: Huyai Tsukurit

2) EVE is a spaceship game if you stay docked in stations all day spinning your ship you weren't really playing to begin with. Most of EVE's content is in space, I have yet to see anything broken there.

True, but you have to dock sometimes. If that process is slower than it once was (which it is, noticeably), then the game is broken. Plus, the newsletter promises more game-breaking to come.


okay I guess we have a different view of what constitutes broken and thus offer "agree to disagree?".

Firh
Posted - 2011.06.23 13:16:00 - [20]
 

I honestly don't get all the nonsense on the forums at the moment.

CCP have implemented countless bad ideas for the last few years, however they've also developed the game and kept it fresh and relevant for a great deal of players.

Anyhow, Incarna is only a glimpse of 'walking in stations' and has very little impact on the game itself. I don't see why people are so upset.

- So you don't want to pay for the vanity items? Fine, don't. It makes no difference to the game experience whatsoever.

- So you can't run Captain's Quarters on your machine? Tough, get a better computer, you can't expect games never to evolve just because you don't want to buy new hardware once every 3-4 years. Also, the only difference as of now is that you can't spin your damn ship, big whoop.

What else is there to ***** about honestly? How about you guys instead talk about relevant issues like the waste of space that is lowsec, the lack of incentives to participate in solo and small gang PvP etc?

Electra GaafCramo
Posted - 2011.06.23 13:18:00 - [21]
 

OP is right.

We used to be able to talk about how amazing this game is. If I said that today, I would frankly feel as a liar. EVE is not amazing. Anything aiming at the sewers are not amazing IMO.

Syphon Lodian
Gallente
Posted - 2011.06.23 13:19:00 - [22]
 

NGE... lol.

Maybe you're being a bit dramatic there.

CQ is only the first step, and we all knew there would be an expansion dedicated to Walking In Stations, for years. I can understand if some of you 'just don't like it', but a lot of you really need to get over yourselves. It's pretty sad.

Nak hak
Posted - 2011.06.23 17:01:00 - [23]
 

Edited by: Nak hak on 23/06/2011 17:01:47
Originally by: Janus Talmash
Edited by: Janus Talmash on 23/06/2011 12:05:35
Every time one of my friends (from other games) said this I could and would counter with "EVE is fantastic, sure it has it's problems but if you stop playing it like a grind and start to use your braincells a bit it's quite good and a lot of fun, you just don't get EVE".

But after recent changes if someone would say this to me now, I'd hang my head in shame and just be quiet.....


I kind of know that feeling.

Good luck in your future game fun. Very Happy

P.S. Today, fantastic is not the word I would use to describe EVE Online.Laughing

Galandole Tsuramananda
Posted - 2011.06.23 17:37:00 - [24]
 

HA, YOU PLAY EVE SO YOU ARE AN UNDESIRABLE POCKMARK ON THE ASS OF SOCIETY.

Get a life bro. It's a game, it's time you and your butthurt friends started realizing that.

Takseen
Posted - 2011.06.23 18:10:00 - [25]
 

Its already got a pretty bad reputation to be honest. Between the nickname Spreadsheets Online, the horrible reputation of its UI and playerbase, and the "Oh Eve Online is so great, you get to go fly spaceships and zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz" shtick.

Atticus Fynch
Gallente
Posted - 2011.06.23 18:22:00 - [26]
 

Edited by: Atticus Fynch on 23/06/2011 18:22:29
Originally by: Galandole Tsuramananda
HA, YOU PLAY EVE SO YOU ARE AN UNDESIRABLE POCKMARK ON THE ASS OF SOCIETY.

Get a life bro. It's a game, it's time you and your butthurt friends started realizing that.


EVE may be a "game" but it's also an investment. You invest time and money to build your character. So it's more than just an average board game that ends after so many rolls of the dice.
People have invested years into this, so their disappointment is understandable when the game they once knew changes so dramatically, in such a non-progressive manner.



 

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