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Acac Sunflyier
Gallente
Posted - 2011.06.23 10:44:00 - [1]
 

I've been reading all night and I actually can't figure out what it is the community wants. Personally, I want MT's to cease and desist. I think some people are just upset about the price tag. And some just don't want it to grow. but am I wrong? What is it we want?

Jasdemi
Interstellar Whine Brewery
Monocle Overlords
Posted - 2011.06.23 10:46:00 - [2]
 

I personally want the MT scam gone.
CQ is pretty bad too, which was developed for 4 years, but I'm sure it'll improve. Maybe.

Acac Sunflyier
Gallente
Posted - 2011.06.23 10:47:00 - [3]
 

Perhaps we can offer CCP a trade? I would trade allowing licensing fees for the end of the Nex.

Whim Aqayn
Posted - 2011.06.23 10:48:00 - [4]
 

An intact sandbox. I couldnt care less about monocles, but when they plan to compromise the sandbox I have no reason to use their product anymore.

Mashie Saldana
Minmatar
Veto Corp
Posted - 2011.06.23 10:48:00 - [5]
 

I want CCP stop this mockery of their customer base.

Where things are heading I wouldn't be surprised to see +6 and +7 implants in the NeX store as well as sec gain for AUR.

Nullity
Gallente
Posted - 2011.06.23 10:49:00 - [6]
 

Originally by: Whim Aqayn
An intact sandbox. I couldnt care less about monocles, but when they plan to compromise the sandbox I have no reason to use their product anymore.

I that's what most people want. It wouldn't hurt to have the much vaunted CQ feature actually work without killing computers too.

Karl Planck
Labyrinth Obtaining Chaotic Kangaroos
Posted - 2011.06.23 10:51:00 - [7]
 

Jesus H F*cking Christ! Who's alt are you? I am guessing Millia b/c of the falloff in posts, but god damn. I come to GD for the lawls and all i am getting is your butthurt spam on every other thread. How bout you use that time to make some isk and buy yourself a monocle

Mikal Morataya
Posted - 2011.06.23 10:53:00 - [8]
 

Edited by: Mikal Morataya on 23/06/2011 10:53:12
I have no problem with MT/Aurum for vanity, customization, or such items.

Once you need Aurum (or someone does) to buy 'super' Scorch M, 'super' Hurricane etc etc I will seriously consider giving you all my stuff. I pay a monthly fee which is resonable and spend my isk ingame.

That is all.

flapie 2
Gallente
Posted - 2011.06.23 10:54:00 - [9]
 

Edited by: flapie 2 on 23/06/2011 10:56:22
I like the MT idee as it is now, somethings in that .PDF file are indeed not for the best of EVE nor CCP. But that is something can be overcome by time and balancing i gues.

I like the idee of having a clothing set almost no one else has, or maybe a rare Navy Mission runners suit gained from my agent true the LP store (altho that would make it less rare).

I would settle for the whole MT thingie to be put on hold for some balancing, so they can filter out the greed a bit more (and so the forum can calm down, manny but hurt kids spamming atm).

Andreus Ixiris
Gallente
Mixed Metaphor
Posted - 2011.06.23 10:54:00 - [10]
 

I want:

a. All free clothes and hairstyles to be available for all races.
b. A legally-binding promise (i.e. one that would be actionable by players if it were broken) from CCP that if microtransactions are not entirely removed, they will remain restricted purely to vanity items - that is, items that have absolutely no effect on any game mechanics or non-cosmetic features.
c. The other three Captain's Quarters.
d. The old hangar view back, making Captain's Quarters entirely optional.
e. More station interiors.
f. Fixes and massive overhauls to factional warfare.

If CCP were to deliver on these items, I would be happy.

S'Way
Posted - 2011.06.23 10:54:00 - [11]
 

Edited by: S''Way on 23/06/2011 10:54:34
At this point I'd say a new person who actually understands the game leading the direction of CCP.
To get something so badly wrong as this and make it the laughing stock of the gaming world needs someone to be fired.

Other than that - for them to stop using EvE as a cash font to fund their other new mmo (as seems to be the case). MT's if they have to be in the game should stay vanity items only and be priced in line with other games DLC.

Use the MT income to fund EvE development (hire some more people to fix the bugs that have been around so long for example), not another game.

Evelgrivion
Gunpoint Diplomacy
Posted - 2011.06.23 10:55:00 - [12]
 

Edited by: Evelgrivion on 23/06/2011 11:09:06
Originally by: Nullity
Originally by: Whim Aqayn
An intact sandbox. I couldnt care less about monocles, but when they plan to compromise the sandbox I have no reason to use their product anymore.

I that's what most people want. It wouldn't hurt to have the much vaunted CQ feature actually work without killing computers too.


I want Incarna to have its code optimized and not give such horrible frame rates on any GPU that is less powerful than a Radeon 5770.
I want Captain's Quarters to be optional, and to have the hangar view back.
I want CCP to keep Monetary Transactions well away from EVE Online's sandbox to not pervert and overturn the game mechanics that make the EVE Niche what it is.
I want CCP to realize that upturning EVE Online's gameplay at this stage is impossible; Jason Rubin knows just how much of a mistake that is to make.
I want Incarna to be the feature it deserves to be; it has a great deal of potential.
I want CCP's top dogs and public faces, including Zulu (Arnar), Hilmar (Hellmar), Torfifrans (T0rfi), Soundwave (Kristoffer), and Zifandel to solidly, consistently and believably promise us that EVE Online's sandbox will be protected from MTs, and Monetary Transactions will never, ever override the sandbox that makes EVE Online what it is.

Jaroslav Unwanted
Posted - 2011.06.23 10:56:00 - [13]
 

Well can we somehow know what do we want ?

What is want. Its different to need. I guess it is.
So is it relevant?
What if someone knows what we need and we compare it to what we want.

Who is right then ? What is better ?

that's basically base for conspiracy theories. Since most of us don't really hold any power to change anything and we all stand against those who can.

Lin-Young Borovskova
Posted - 2011.06.23 10:56:00 - [14]
 

Originally by: Mikal Morataya

I have no problem with MT/Aurum for vanity, customization, or such items.

Once you need Aurum (or someone does) to buy 'super' Scorch M, 'super' Hurricane etc etc I will seriously consider giving you all my stuff. I pay a monthly fee which is resonable and spend my isk ingame.

That is all.


This day, I'll be the first to buy everything I can and blow it up before I biomass my characters.

Liva Daril
Caldari
Posted - 2011.06.23 11:05:00 - [15]
 

Edited by: Liva Daril on 23/06/2011 11:10:58
Simple, give us back the old station hangar and put a fricken "Enter CQ" buttan on it.

Incrapna damage almost mitigated.

Edit: almost, because the new client still is actually two clients.

The good old EVE-Space client that also renderes the old hangar, and this barely-out-of-beta(alpha?) stage actual Incrapna client that murders your hardware.

Both clients are loaded simultaneously, judging from the tripled memory footprint of the current client.

There´s still the distrust about MT left though. Time will tell about that one. I´m done believing anything some marketing boy or other MT-loving dev spews.

Tracks Pax
Caldari
Posted - 2011.06.23 11:17:00 - [16]
 

I'm OK with everything as it is, I have no intentions of buying anything with Aurum any time soon.. The vanity things are fine, as long as they stay vanity items and won't effect game play.. but if that eye piece gives +5 bonuses to all attributes and the only way to get it is to pay cash above and beyond the monthly subscription, then I'll ragequit like everyone else. I'd rather see the Hello Kitty Kestrel flying through space, at least I could shoot at it.

Sunaba Shakano
Posted - 2011.06.23 11:18:00 - [17]
 

i wunt this frigate crap to stop Razz

Ospie
Ransom and Kill
Core.Impulse
Posted - 2011.06.23 11:21:00 - [18]
 

Edited by: Ospie on 23/06/2011 11:23:02
In order of importance (to me).

1) The old CCP back (I want to forgive you guys because of what you were, but you're making it hard for me atm)

Short term:
1) An official response.
2) Realistic MT prices, at least pretend it was a mistake (though if it were it would have been corrected by now)
3) Fix w/e's causing such huge stress on certain peoples machines in CQ (although I appreciate this is probably in the making anyway)
4) Allow people to be able to choose between the old hangar & CQ. (I love CQ myself and will continue using it, however I know a lot of people are genuinely not happy with it, some not even able to load the lower quality option currently available with their slightly aging computers - never mind the CQ itself)

Long term:
1) A guarantee on a sensible approach towards MT in which prices are affordable for the larger player base (which will lead to larger sales anyway). Only vanity items, no "super" ships/ammo, "vanity" versions of current ships (same base stats) or a way to paint our ships as we like would be ok.
2) Get these remaining CQ's out of the way
3) Actually start fixing the issues which have been plaguing eve since 2007 and beyond.
4) Bring back the old cyno effect
5) Rest of incarna

Sarina Berghil
Minmatar
New Zion Judge Advocate
Yulai Federation
Posted - 2011.06.23 11:24:00 - [19]
 

Originally by: Acac Sunflyier
I've been reading all night and I actually can't figure out what it is the community wants. Personally, I want MT's to cease and desist. I think some people are just upset about the price tag. And some just don't want it to grow. but am I wrong? What is it we want?


The community is a lot of people with different taste and desires, thats probably why you can't find a common voice about what the community wants.

Personally I'm getting a bit tired of running from MT games. I like to know what I'm paying for and what I get. I don't like getting reminded about real life constantly by seeing real life currency meters in games, it breaks immersion.

Jennifer Starling
Imperial Navy Forum Patrol
Posted - 2011.06.23 11:24:00 - [20]
 

J.N. Starlings wishlist:

1. Incarna related
a. 500% more choice free clothes for everyone, we're billionaires and should be able to buy a (normal quality) long coat, skirt or nice shoes below the price of a battleship;
b. Bloodline or race change option (for max 1 plex/3500AUR);
c. Ability to meet other characters;
d. A CQ that doesn't look like there's roaches in the corners and garbage pails;
e. Fixed lighting in our CQs so we don't look like deformed monsters in a lot of spots;
f. Normal pricings on vanity stuff;
g. Vanity stuff actually looking good;
h. Pets

2. Non Incarna related
i. Remove supercaps from the game;
j. Speed up skilltraining by 500%;
k. Remove jump stuff from the game, the universe is supposed to be huge;
l. Add more space;
m. Remove drone missions, make special faction mission agents;
n. Remove the option to make killboards;
o. Make LP store prices adjust to supply/demand;
p. Make T2 production more simple and require less different stuff;
q. Make mining worthwhile and more complicated so it's not macroable;
r. Introduce arenas for more fun, more ship losses, it will boost the economy a lot;
s. Remove insurance payout in case of a loss to CONCORD;
t. Stop my new guns from rotating all the time!!
u. Make new player experience better and offer newbs better protection;
v. Remove arch enemy agents from your space;
w. Make warp decelleration faster/instant so travel will be a lot faster;
x. Fix the hulls of the Moa, Crucifier, Bellicose, remove the growth on the Omen;
y. Nerf the Dramiel;
z. Balance all tier ships so they're all useful.

Florestan Bronstein
24th Imperial Crusade
Posted - 2011.06.23 11:26:00 - [21]
 

Edited by: Florestan Bronstein on 23/06/2011 11:34:39

I believe that the bulletin is real, so my view is:

* MTs won't go away, it's the new business strategy across all 3 of CCP's products - no amount of complaints will change this
* DUST will have "power for $$"-style MTs, the whole game is developed and financed on that premise

what I want from CCP:

* commitment to vanity-only MTs for EVE (no faction standings, fitting slots, ...)

* no "boiling frog" strategy - please put the cards on the table and deal with the fallout; if you need more money (to finance 2 other games and pay unhappy employees) and feel that increasing subscription costs won't work then please explain us the situation and your reasoning.
Give us statements that we can rely on for (at least) the next 1-2 years, not statements that will be invalid after 3-6 months.

* lower MT prices - maybe you can charge 20-30$ for a Tornado BPC if/when it gets released but 60$ for a monocle is crazy

* do things right with WoD, be upfront about the business model from the start, set realistic expectations, ...
At this point EVE is pretty much dead - too clunky and old to attract many new players and the expectation that EVE has to be "different" is too heavily ingrained in the vets' minds. You cannot successfully remodel the game at this point in its life.
Experimenting with your only cash cow when you are already short on cash is extremely stupid and can backfire badly (otoh EVE can be a very valuable test-bed for new backend technologies).
EVE will probably never have much more than 300-400k subscriptions and you should calculate with stagnant growth (while hoping for linear growth) - now is the time to reflect about all the design decisions and mistakes that turned EVE into such a niche game and how to avoid them with WoD.



Deamos
Dev Null Development and Holdings
Posted - 2011.06.23 11:27:00 - [22]
 

I would like my drones to work properly. They seem to been hit with the bork stick since Incarna.

Rek Seven
Gallente
Zandathorn Industries
Posted - 2011.06.23 11:30:00 - [23]
 

I want CCP to ask us what we want and then do it (within reason).

Marcus Vorenius
Caldari
Task Force 42
Posted - 2011.06.23 11:41:00 - [24]
 

1) fix Incarna ASAP or roll-back
2) remove micro-transactions (don't trust CCP to stick with vanity items only, so it should just go away so it doesn't tempt them again)
3) focus on EVE Online, fiddle with Incarna if they must and scrap DUST514
4) http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1383711

It's not going to happen, so biomass here I come

Miilla
Minmatar
Hulkageddon Orphanage
Posted - 2011.06.23 11:42:00 - [25]
 





Not this.


Bill Loney
Amarr
Hedion University
Posted - 2011.06.23 11:45:00 - [26]
 

Edited by: Bill Loney on 23/06/2011 11:50:44
Originally by: Acac Sunflyier
I've been reading all night and I actually can't figure out what it is the community wants. Personally, I want MT's to cease and desist. I think some people are just upset about the price tag. And some just don't want it to grow. but am I wrong? What is it we want?


Personally i think it is over the top, but why worry about it if you are not going to buy anything. You don't go to every car dealer to tell them thier cars are overpriced if you are not going to buy it ? I agree to the fact that it is a bit silly and overpriced but i am not going to buy anything so why worry *shrugs*


EDIT* There are some gameplay issues that DO need to be addressed, most of you lot want to moan just for the sake of moaning (not directed at OP Razz) and are complaining about MT and docking time when there are REAL issues to be addressed, not that i know any but reading on the forum there seems to be some problems outside the WIS and MT. Get everything into perspective Wink

voodoo
Evolution
Posted - 2011.06.23 11:48:00 - [27]
 

i want to open my CG door walk to the bar and stab people in the face, walk back to my hanger grab a ship and go pvp in space. Dock at the next station, stab someone who wont undock, then go mine veldspar.

Grey Stormshadow
Starwreck Industries
Posted - 2011.06.23 11:53:00 - [28]
 

1) fix Incarna cpu usage with and without station enviroment enabled and OR offer old station enviroment back.
2) remove micro-transactions and entire noble exchange. After that pdf nothing less will do because I don't believe anything you promise.
3) focus on renewing EVE Online core and build stuff around it as _sideproject_ only.
4) listen to players and put part of the devs working towards the goals the majority are after. Keep doing this permanently.

...2 accounts, 2 days remaing and counting - not that it matters to anyone.

Bill Loney
Amarr
Hedion University
Posted - 2011.06.23 11:58:00 - [29]
 

Originally by: Grey Stormshadow
1) fix Incarna cpu usage with and without station enviroment enabled and OR offer old station enviroment back.
2) remove micro-transactions and entire noble exchange. After that pdf nothing less will do because I don't believe anything you promise.
3) focus on renewing EVE Online core and build stuff around it as _sideproject_ only.
4) listen to players and put part of the devs working towards the goals the majority are after. Keep doing this permanently.

...2 accounts, 2 days remaing and counting - not that it matters to anyone.



1, fix cpu usage yes and it wouldnt be hard to add a tick box for animations (WIS) and have a fast loading basic skin for the lesser pc's
2, MT not really important but does needs slight attention (put at bottom for pile)
3, wasn't this done recently ? and is in effect now.
4, they do listen to players, just the small % will rave and rant if they disagree with majority.

Misanth
RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE
Posted - 2011.06.23 12:01:00 - [30]
 

Originally by: Mashie Saldana
I want CCP stop this mockery of their customer base.

Where things are heading I wouldn't be surprised to see +6 and +7 implants in the NeX store as well as sec gain for AUR.


That.

And I want development focused on smaller scale warfare, even for null. But hey, a girls gotta dream..


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