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Lina Theist
Amarr
War Veteran Pension
Posted - 2011.06.23 10:13:00 - [1]
 

I'm trying to fit a vindicator for mission running, I'm having problem with that though. This is what I have so far:

[Vindicator, MIssion runner (gurista resists)]
Federation Navy Magnetic Field Stabilizer
Federation Navy Magnetic Field Stabilizer
Federation Navy Magnetic Field Stabilizer
Imperial Navy Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane
Armor Thermic Hardener II
Armor Kinetic Hardener II
Imperial Navy Large Armor Repairer

Sensor Booster II
Tracking Computer II, Tracking Speed
Tracking Computer II, Tracking Speed
Federation Navy Stasis Webifier
[empty med slot]

425mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L
425mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L
425mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L
425mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L
425mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L
425mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L
425mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L
425mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L

Large Hybrid Collision Accelerator I
Large Capacitor Control Circuit I
[empty rig slot]

Now as you see, there is a rig slot open and a mid slot open. The problem is however, that I only have 20 powergrid to spare with all skills at lvl 5! With my skills the hybrid rig takes too much powergrid, and I'm not sure what do to. If I remove it, the damage and tank bonus this vindi has over my Kronos is very insignificant. Thus I believe I am doing something wrong when fitting them out. (Also, I do not calculate drone damage when making fits, I believe 4 gardes would do more damage than the 5 hammerheads on my Kronos)

Naomi Knight
Amarr
Posted - 2011.06.23 10:23:00 - [2]
 

maybe buy a vargur/macha?--> no more problems

Lina Theist
Amarr
War Veteran Pension
Posted - 2011.06.23 10:27:00 - [3]
 

Originally by: Naomi Knight
maybe buy a vargur/macha?--> no more problems


And train a year for projectiles + minmatar lvl5? I don't think so, sorry. I'm just wondering if there is any fit out there working without hybrid rigging lvl5 and more dps than my kronos.

NoNah
Posted - 2011.06.23 10:41:00 - [4]
 

i'm on the phone and thus have no fittings saved. But if you want a decent missionship out of it you need to shieldtank it. Much like the domi.

Normal citizen
Posted - 2011.06.23 10:43:00 - [5]
 

Originally by: NoNah
i'm on the phone and thus have no fittings saved. But if you want a decent missionship out of it you need to shieldtank it. Much like the domi.


Really? Is that going to work against close orbiting enemies like serpentis? I don't want to miss that tasty web bonus

Malcanis
Caldari
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
Posted - 2011.06.23 10:59:00 - [6]
 

Originally by: Normal citizen
Originally by: NoNah
i'm on the phone and thus have no fittings saved. But if you want a decent missionship out of it you need to shieldtank it. Much like the domi.


Really? Is that going to work against close orbiting enemies like serpentis? I don't want to miss that tasty web bonus



5 midslots should be enough for a shield tank, even with a web.


Something like: Pith B-type XL, DG invuln, 2x rat-specific hardeners, Fed Navy web should work fine.

Pricey, yes, but if you were wworried about price/performance, you wouldn't be using a hybrid boat for ISK making.

Normal citizen
Posted - 2011.06.23 11:12:00 - [7]
 

I see. Well, is there any fit that would outperform my kronos? As far as I'm concerned, it's even harder to fit a xl shield booster than a large armor repairer. How am I supposed to get my turrets on?

Sonya Kranz
Posted - 2011.06.23 11:33:00 - [8]
 

When trying to squeeze rails and a shield tank on this ship you are going to run into cpu issues real quick, plus you really want some sensor boosting in there as well considering the optimal + falloff for rails.

all in all theres much better options for running missions, i think the kronos is one of them.
The vindicator is a very cool ship, but i cant seem to find a decent fit with rails for it, and not sure if using blasters in missions is all that great, id rather use my machariel with autocannons :)

Normal citizen
Posted - 2011.06.23 11:55:00 - [9]
 

During DT I experimented a bit with Navy dominix and navy megathron. I have to say the fits I came up with are quite promising, but I'll need to train more drones. This made me think, shouldn't the kronos have an extended drone bay + drone capacity? It's easy to outperform a kronos damage wise with the gallente navy ships.

Malcanis
Caldari
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
Posted - 2011.06.23 12:17:00 - [10]
 

Originally by: Sonya Kranz
When trying to squeeze rails and a shield tank on this ship you are going to run into cpu issues real quick


T2 shield hardeners are 44 CPU each. DG/CN are 30. That can make a hell of a difference.

There's also the option of using a Gist MWD and running a blaster fit with 3 magstabs & 2-3 TEs, which sounds like all kinds of fun. Although it would definitely not be "low attention" PvEing.

Lina Theist
Amarr
War Veteran Pension
Posted - 2011.06.23 12:18:00 - [11]
 

So mwds work in missiosn now?

Tore Smith
Science and Trade Institute
Posted - 2011.06.23 12:47:00 - [12]
 

Edited by: Tore Smith on 23/06/2011 12:50:09
Originally by: Lina Theist
fit


looks good so far. i will just throw my armor fit in for you to have a look:

i use this on guristas only, so tank is sufficient for most missions. switch 1 mfs for a hardener, if you run into trouble. point for me was, that weapons and mids should run indefinitely, thus the ccc rigs i normally despise. booster runs when tank runs.
wardens are your only chance without the omnies, so no-brainer. and another point, one web only wont cut it, if you think of shooting frigs. the guristas webbers only get hit by rails if you double web them even with the vindi.

[Vindicator, Mission Vindicator armor]
Federation Navy Magnetic Field Stabilizer
Federation Navy Magnetic Field Stabilizer
Federation Navy Magnetic Field Stabilizer
Federation Navy Magnetic Field Stabilizer
Armor Kinetic Hardener II
Energized Thermic Membrane II
Imperial Navy Large Armor Repairer

Federation Navy Stasis Webifier
Medium Capacitor Booster II, Cap Booster 800
Sensor Booster II, Targeting Range
Tracking Computer II
Tracking Computer II

425mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L
425mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L
425mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L
425mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L
425mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L
425mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L
425mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L
425mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L

Large Capacitor Control Circuit II
Large Capacitor Control Circuit I
Large Capacitor Control Circuit I


Warden II x4
Hobgoblin II x5


this is the attempt on a shield tank:

while quite nice, it has only the same damage and simply does not get the same targeting range from the sigamp as it gets from the s-booster and putting a web on there will put even more pressure on your tank. also its more expensive. so while i would normally also shield tank everything, in this case i find the armor version better.

[Vindicator, Vindicator: PvE Shield-Vinny ]
Type-D Attenuation Signal Augmentation
Federation Navy Magnetic Field Stabilizer
Federation Navy Magnetic Field Stabilizer
Federation Navy Magnetic Field Stabilizer
Federation Navy Magnetic Field Stabilizer
Tracking Enhancer II
Tracking Enhancer II

Gistum B-Type Medium Shield Booster
Shield Boost Amplifier II
Dread Guristas Ballistic Deflection Field
Dread Guristas Heat Dissipation Field
Medium Capacitor Booster II, Cap Booster 800

425mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L
425mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L
425mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L
425mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L
425mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L
425mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L
425mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L
425mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L

Large Capacitor Control Circuit II
Large Capacitor Control Circuit II
Large Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I


Warden II x4

cheers!

...yes, mwd works in missions.

Dark Voynix
Gallente
Garoun Investment Bank
Posted - 2011.06.23 12:59:00 - [13]
 

2 ways to solve your problem.

1) Remove the collision accelerator rig. This rig cause weapons to use more PW and anyway you have already 3 damage mods. this rig will be heavilly penalty stacked anway.

2) Large Ancillary Current Router I

Lina Theist
Amarr
War Veteran Pension
Posted - 2011.06.23 14:19:00 - [14]
 

Hmm. I guess I could skip the rig. But I still don't do much more damage in a vindi than a kronos.

Tore Smith
Science and Trade Institute
Posted - 2011.06.23 14:33:00 - [15]
 

Edited by: Tore Smith on 23/06/2011 14:49:14
Originally by: Lina Theist
Hmm. I guess I could skip the rig. But I still don't do much more damage in a vindi than a kronos.


with my skills its 803 (vindi with 4 mfs) to 775 (kronos with 4 mfs and t2 burst) pure gun dps without imps. while this is not the world, it is more which is better in my book.

without a doubt, if you consider serpentis, the kronos is the more comfortable ship to fly because of the good base targeting range wich you can bolster against the dampening. thinking about it, a blaster fit could do good in missions with close spawns.

against guristas more than double the sensor strength on the vindi is a good thing.


Bantros
Noir.
Posted - 2011.06.23 15:58:00 - [16]
 

Edited by: Bantros on 23/06/2011 15:58:22
Edited by: Bantros on 23/06/2011 15:58:02
Fit like this.
Open Journal, click on Incursions.
Go to nearest staging area.
Join BTL Pub and link your fit.
Get instantly invited to a fleet and make double the ISK you were going to make in half the time.
You're welcome Very Happy

Drexit
Posted - 2011.06.23 16:46:00 - [17]
 

Do you have hybrid rigging to 4? Alot of people train it to 1 just to fit the rig, but training higher reduces the penalty. Not sure if this will help you or not.


 

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