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Alexiama
Posted - 2011.06.23 09:55:00 - [1]
 

It has been possible to use real money to buy an advantage in EVE for years.
It works. It is not broken and most people like/accept that. So why start crying now?

Nothing has changed.

Well, not entirely true. Now you can also use real money to customize you avatar. Gosh. What a game breaker.

The fact is PLEX, AUR and ISK are just different currencies that are traded on the market in EVE and can all be bought for real money or earned in-game. It is all your choice.

A lot of people like to use ISK to buy PLEX to fund their sub in EVE. And now they can also use ISK to buy a monocle.

Even if CCP would decide to put "useful" and/or game changing stuff like ships/modules/boosters/implants in the NEX shop it will not change much. You can still buy it for ISK.

The truth is that the NEX shop is nothing but an ISK-sink. And I do think CCP has very good reasons for implementing one. Very few will spend €50 on a monocle but if they want to do that I think it is a good thing for EVE and might even help keep the subs down for the rest of us.


Dograzor
The Black Rabbits
The Gurlstas Associates
Posted - 2011.06.23 09:56:00 - [2]
 

You sir, are not informed.

Start reading.

Zverofaust
Gallente
Ascetic Virtues
Posted - 2011.06.23 09:58:00 - [3]
 

Originally by: Dograzor
You sir, are not informed.

Start reading.


Yes that's right, anyone who doesn't share your exact same opinion is obviously just uninformed. Rolling Eyes

Norian Lonark
Gallente
Black Thorne Corporation
Black Thorne Alliance
Posted - 2011.06.23 09:59:00 - [4]
 

Edited by: Norian Lonark on 23/06/2011 09:59:22
You don't understand at all.

This is the only time I have ever come on the forums to as you say "cry"... why because I don't want the game to be ruined and the sandbox and player community destroyed and MT for items other than vanity items will do this.

Plex works different to just buying new items which appear out of thin air for cash.

Tickle Master
Royal Amarr Institute
Posted - 2011.06.23 10:00:00 - [5]
 

OP is a monocle, opinion doesn't count.

William Walker
Amarr
House Aratus
Fatal Ascension
Posted - 2011.06.23 10:01:00 - [6]
 

Originally by: Norian Lonark
Plex works different to just buying new items which appear out of thin air for cash.



This! This!!! Thiiiisss!!!! Enjoy your player bought (not created) content!

Estephania
Independent Political Analysts
Posted - 2011.06.23 10:02:00 - [7]
 

PLEX was a stupid idea

MT in a subscription game is a stupid idea

power items for MT is a stupid idea

Now, we have 2 last stupid ideas being introduced because several years ago someone thought that buying RL service for virtual money is ok.

Tla Atij
Posted - 2011.06.23 10:02:00 - [8]
 

When I will destroy you in game with my superior, AUR-purchased ship/turrets/ammo, you will change your mind. But then it will be too late.

Nullity
Gallente
Posted - 2011.06.23 10:02:00 - [9]
 

Originally by: Alexiama

The truth is that the NEX shop is nothing but an ISK-sink.



Learn what an ISK sink is.

Tippia
Caldari
Sunshine and Lollipops
Posted - 2011.06.23 10:02:00 - [10]
 

Originally by: Alexiama
The truth is that the NEX shop is nothing but an ISK-sink.
See, it's complete misconceptions like this that makes your entire post difficult to believe.

No. The NeX shop is not an ISK sink. It is, in fact, not even capable of being an ISK sink — a fact that, funnily enough, created the first large upset with the shop.

Also, you might want to read up on what CCP has planned for MT, and you'll understand why people are crying now. In short, it's because all your assumptions are wrong.

Fi1ippo
Gallente
The Scope
Posted - 2011.06.23 10:03:00 - [11]
 

Originally by: Dograzor
You sir, are not informed.

Start reading.


When you tunnel vision, i wouldnt call that being informed either.

Galandole Tsuramananda
Posted - 2011.06.23 10:03:00 - [12]
 

Originally by: Dograzor
You sir, are not informed.

Start reading.


Ok, stop saying this.

Because when I ask most of you why you don't like Incarna, the best you can come up with is "no ship spinning," or, "barbie dolls online."

Most of you don't even know why you don't like Incarna, except for the fact that the bandwagon has allllot of empty seats.

It is so easy to disable that station environment and go on with your Internet spaceships unhindered. It actually takes more effort to whine about it on the forums.

Cailais
Amarr
Nasty Pope Holding Corp
Talocan United
Posted - 2011.06.23 10:04:00 - [13]
 

Originally by: Alexiama
It has been possible to use real money to buy an advantage in EVE for years.
It works. It is not broken and most people like/accept that. So why start crying now?

Nothing has changed.

Well, not entirely true. Now you can also use real money to customize you avatar. Gosh. What a game breaker.

The fact is PLEX, AUR and ISK are just different currencies that are traded on the market in EVE and can all be bought for real money or earned in-game. It is all your choice.

A lot of people like to use ISK to buy PLEX to fund their sub in EVE. And now they can also use ISK to buy a monocle.

Even if CCP would decide to put "useful" and/or game changing stuff like ships/modules/boosters/implants in the NEX shop it will not change much. You can still buy it for ISK.

The truth is that the NEX shop is nothing but an ISK-sink. And I do think CCP has very good reasons for implementing one. Very few will spend €50 on a monocle but if they want to do that I think it is a good thing for EVE and might even help keep the subs down for the rest of us.




Shut up Soundwave and post with your main.

C.

Gwenywell Shumuku
Posted - 2011.06.23 10:04:00 - [14]
 

Originally by: Zverofaust
Originally by: Dograzor
You sir, are not informed.

Start reading.


Yes that's right, anyone who doesn't share your exact same opinion is obviously just uninformed. Rolling Eyes


Nahh, its just with so many wrong facts he is stating, he should be concerned and start reading more. Information is bliss.

For excample, NEX is not an ISK sink, its a Plex sink (if you don't know what i'm talking about, just forget it).
Also, how about reading a certain pdf dokument on certain design wishes from the lead game designer. Hell, why not go nuts and trying to understand why putting ships/items into EVE from nothing could mess up the economy, but thats just mad-talk now.

Ejit
Amarr
STD contractors
Posted - 2011.06.23 10:04:00 - [15]
 

OP is just trying to justify spending $200 on vanity items.

Arzi Taila
Posted - 2011.06.23 10:05:00 - [16]
 

Originally by: Ejit
OP is just trying to justify spending $200 on vanity items.


OP is hiding not one, but two monocles behind those shades

Captain Travaras
Gallente
Posted - 2011.06.23 10:06:00 - [17]
 

its the greed most people are unhappy with, and the dark looking future of the game. I like the walk in station look and the potential it has, but not the MT aspect.

Its some of the most expensive DLC ever known and many news websites and gaming communities are laughing at the silliness in Eve at the moment

Tippia
Caldari
Sunshine and Lollipops
Posted - 2011.06.23 10:07:00 - [18]
 

Originally by: Galandole Tsuramananda
Because when I ask most of you why you don't like Incarna, the best you can come up with is "no ship spinning," or, "barbie dolls online."
…and the fact is that, with EVE's sandbox roots, those are perfectly good reasons for not liking it. Moreover…
Quote:
It is so easy to disable that station environment
…the problem is that disabling CQ is just a temporary measure. It is going to be removed. That is why people don't like Incarna: because it is not optional, in spite of previous promises to the contrary. It is content forced on people who have no interest in it. It removes functionality. This is not a good thing.

Markis Silvairi
Reliables Inc
BricK sQuAD.
Posted - 2011.06.23 10:08:00 - [19]
 

Originally by: Galandole Tsuramananda

It is so easy to TEMPORARILY disable that station environment and go on with your Internet spaceships unhindered.

There, fixed that for you. Funny how everyone seems to miss that part. Rolling Eyes

Sig Sour
Posted - 2011.06.23 10:09:00 - [20]
 

Originally by: Tippia
It is content forced on people who have no interest in it. It removes functionality. This is not a good thing.

It also burns up even the newest hardware if you run too many clients.

impli
Singularity.
Posted - 2011.06.23 10:10:00 - [21]
 

Originally by: Norian Lonark
Edited by: Norian Lonark on 23/06/2011 09:59:22
You don't understand at all.

This is the only time I have ever come on the forums to as you say "cry"... why because I don't want the game to be ruined and the sandbox and player community destroyed and MT for items other than vanity items will do this.

Plex works different to just buying new items which appear out of thin air for cash.



hihi.. just got some thougth about that ..ok :D thinking about items just out of the air .. some time ago on earth a man walked on his country, he saw a bird a wonderful bird .. he decided to shot it and keep the feathers. He putted one in his hair because he was proud to hunted the bird down.. :D another man saw this feather on the head and ask him where did he got the wonderful feather .. man with feather told .. Oh you can buy one from my own shop.. :D

Hastrin
Posted - 2011.06.23 10:12:00 - [22]
 

I partly agree with you. the isk sink is good, and the fact that you gotta destroy plex to do so....dont mind that either.

the problem i see is the exchange rates. They are just insane. 3 plex for goggles? I always disliked arguments that start with "if you convert this price to plex it is $X or $Y", however, at the current prices i do think its a valid point. vanity items in eve are more expensive then real life clothes. The eve eye thing is 20 times the price my own sunglasses were.

What id like to see is not to get this stuff removed, but made more viable. If for 1 plex i can buy boots pants a shirt and sunglasses.....fine. i might even do it. but at the current prices i just laugh and move on, and feel disappointed by a feature i will never consider using

Flynn Fetladral
Royal Order of Security Specialists
Posted - 2011.06.23 10:12:00 - [23]
 

Edited by: Flynn Fetladral on 23/06/2011 10:13:23
There is nothing wrong with micro-transactions to buy vanity items, items which give people an in game advantage are a no. There is nothing wrong with micro-transactions, however, this does not seem to be a "micro-transaction" more like a major-transaction, with some items costing almost the same price as 6 months of game subscription. It could be that CCP wanted this to me more of an ISK sink than an actual money grab, and a possible oversight. However the leaked document which is looking mostly like it is not fake seems to suggest otherwise. It's painting CCP as a fat fingered greasy money grabber. I do appreciate that CCP is in business for profit not to pander to our whims. However when a company projects an image, like CCP does, as being one who is hand in hand with your community, like some kind of 'old friend' who's been there with you since the beginning, then turns out to be shagging your wife. Well, it does not go over very well.

Jonny Utrigas
Posted - 2011.06.23 10:13:00 - [24]
 

Edited by: Jonny Utrigas on 23/06/2011 10:14:17
OP: "Oh hai, I R person trying to troll forums/has no idea how the EVE market economy works."
1) Items do not come from nothing
2) while they did back down, CCP was originally proposing to have ships appear through AURUM out of nothing. See Linkage

edited for typo correction.

flapie 2
Gallente
Posted - 2011.06.23 10:15:00 - [25]
 

Originally by: Markis Silvairi
Originally by: Galandole Tsuramananda

It is so easy to TEMPORARILY disable that station environment and go on with your Internet spaceships unhindered.

There, fixed that for you. Funny how everyone seems to miss that part. Rolling Eyes


You know they said it temporarily till they find a more fitting solution to replace that background image. Just quoting others from what you heard isnt a good thing todo, iff you actually read, you would know that working on a more gracefull solution for lower-end machines.

Would be nice if there where more mature people around, to debate this in a normal way insted of just screaming like a bunch of 5 year olds.

Tippia
Caldari
Sunshine and Lollipops
Posted - 2011.06.23 10:15:00 - [26]
 

Originally by: Hastrin
I partly agree with you. the isk sink is good, and the fact that you gotta destroy plex to do so....dont mind that either.
But that's just it: it is not an ISK sink. So you're agreeing with a something that is false.

Katra Novac
Posted - 2011.06.23 10:21:00 - [27]
 

Edited by: Katra Novac on 23/06/2011 10:23:59
Edited by: Katra Novac on 23/06/2011 10:21:50
Originally by: Tippia
Originally by: Hastrin
I partly agree with you. the isk sink is good, and the fact that you gotta destroy plex to do so....dont mind that either.
But that's just it: it is not an ISK sink. So you're agreeing with a something that is false.


The fact that you can't buy Aurum directly with RL currency, makes me wonder if they're trying to divert a lot of ingame PLEX that's used for free game play into Aurum instead.

They must be making a lot from selling PLEX anyway so Aurum seems a good way (on the face of it) for using up surplus PLEX ingame. And if anyone buys PLEX with RL currency to buy Aurum with it's a bonus.

JitaBUGz TheGreat
Caldari
Science and Trade Institute
Posted - 2011.06.23 10:21:00 - [28]
 

Originally by: Tippia
Originally by: Galandole Tsuramananda
Because when I ask most of you why you don't like Incarna, the best you can come up with is "no ship spinning," or, "barbie dolls online."
…and the fact is that, with EVE's sandbox roots, those are perfectly good reasons for not liking it. Moreover…
Quote:
It is so easy to disable that station environment
…the problem is that disabling CQ is just a temporary measure. It is going to be removed. That is why people don't like Incarna: because it is not optional, in spite of previous promises to the contrary. It is content forced on people who have no interest in it. It removes functionality. This is not a good thing.


I dont see the point of crying that it ruins the game. I for one like CQ. But that said. When i am not playing barbie doll. I have not even noticed the CQ, I dock, reship-refit, and forget my hair is a little more red then I would like.

No hindrance at all, none. And I have what most of the eve community would consider a very old rig, and I run linux(full of bugs in eve atm) Most settings maxed out and in CQ i get about 50fps, and in space about 100fps under normal game play. My active space turding around has not changed one bit in outerspace. And as for vanity item prices, I cant offord them. BOO FLIPPIN HOO, I got over it.

Why even turn it off, it dose not slow down anything.

This all on a 400 dollar rig, built 3 years ago. And to boot at them time I built it, I could not afford a box..lol Still all plugged together layed out on my desk. Looks like CCP's old servers:)

Forum warriors need to get off there high horse and play the game. Or gtfo and give me all there stuff.

YARRRR!!YARRRR!!YARRRR!!

Hastrin
Posted - 2011.06.23 10:22:00 - [29]
 

Originally by: Tippia
Originally by: Hastrin
I partly agree with you. the isk sink is good, and the fact that you gotta destroy plex to do so....dont mind that either.
But that's just it: it is not an ISK sink. So you're agreeing with a something that is false.


plex is bought with isk, then used to buy clothes. when you get podded and loose it, the value is gone. seems like a sink

Nullity
Gallente
Posted - 2011.06.23 10:23:00 - [30]
 

Originally by: Hastrin
Originally by: Tippia
Originally by: Hastrin
I partly agree with you. the isk sink is good, and the fact that you gotta destroy plex to do so....dont mind that either.
But that's just it: it is not an ISK sink. So you're agreeing with a something that is false.


plex is bought with isk, then used to buy clothes. when you get podded and loose it, the value is gone. seems like a sink

ISK sinks remove ISK from the economy. You do not know what an ISK sink is as no ISK is removed from the economy in the example you gave. There have been many, many posts on this subject dating back to 2003. Read one.


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