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Seito Yaken
Posted - 2011.06.22 23:46:00 - [1]
 

Am trying to do Worlds Collide in a Raven atm, fitting is:
[Raven, DFS]
Capacitor Flux Coil II
Capacitor Flux Coil II
Capacitor Flux Coil II
Capacitor Flux Coil II
Capacitor Flux Coil II

X-Large Shield Booster II
Shield Boost Amplifier II
Shield Boost Amplifier II
Photon Scattering Field II
Heat Dissipation Field II
Invulnerability Field II

Cruise Missile Launcher II, Paradise Fury Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Paradise Fury Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Paradise Fury Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Paradise Fury Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Paradise Fury Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Paradise Fury Cruise Missile
[empty high slot]
[empty high slot]

Large Capacitor Control Circuit I
Large Capacitor Control Circuit I
Large Capacitor Control Circuit I

Tank is no problem, but my damage is, am shooting at Guristas, so am using kinetic missiles, they do die, but breaking their shield really takes a long time, and my volley damage seems to be between 1000-1500.

So am wondering if anyone got some tips on how to fit the raven to maybe do a bit more damage? Probably have to loose some cap stability and tank? Or maybe i should give another ship ago, how good would a tengu be for these kind of missions for example?

Thanks in advance =)

Sanadras Riahn
Posted - 2011.06.22 23:51:00 - [2]
 

From what little I know of fitting, I'm going to say your biggest issue is the lack of damage mods. With the tech IIs, I can imagine you could probably sacrifice a touch of tank and a bit of cap stability just to put on some additional DPS to break their tank faster.

But I'm new, so I could be very wrong.

Caleidascope
Minmatar
Republic Military School
Posted - 2011.06.23 00:00:00 - [3]
 

Is it WC with guristas and serpentis?
If it is Gur/Serp WC, then you want heat and kinetic resists. So my mids would be:
1x X-large shield booster
2x shield boost amp
1x large shield extender
1x kinetic resist
1x thermal resist

I use 3 rigor rigs.

In the low I use combination of bcu, cpu upgrade and utility stuff like signal amplifier or pds.

Seito Yaken
Posted - 2011.06.23 00:08:00 - [4]
 

Originally by: Caleidascope
Is it WC with guristas and serpentis?
If it is Gur/Serp WC, then you want heat and kinetic resists. So my mids would be:
1x X-large shield booster
2x shield boost amp
1x large shield extender
1x kinetic resist
1x thermal resist

I use 3 rigor rigs.

In the low I use combination of bcu, cpu upgrade and utility stuff like signal amplifier or pds.



Yup, its the Gur/Serp WC, am using the correct hardeners on the ship, just didn't change it the the setup i posted. Anyway, if i follow your advice i can't really run the shield booster very long, as my cap will empty pretty fast i think?

And again, how would a tengu be compared to the raven, if anyone know?

Yabba Addict
Posted - 2011.06.23 00:22:00 - [5]
 

The raven is fine, one of if not the best T1 mission BS out there. That fit ont eh other hand is, no word of a joke, godawful bad. Don't use T2 fury ammo as well, the exp radius is just too large

[Raven, PvE Rigor Rig Raven]
Co-Processor II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II

Ballistic Deflection Field II
Ballistic Deflection Field II
Heat Dissipation Field II
Heavy Capacitor Booster II
Caldari Navy X-Large Shield Booster
Shield Boost Amplifier II

Cruise Missile Launcher II
Cruise Missile Launcher II
Cruise Missile Launcher II
Cruise Missile Launcher II
Cruise Missile Launcher II
Cruise Missile Launcher II
Small Tractor Beam I
Salvager II

Large Warhead Rigor Catalyst I
Large Warhead Rigor Catalyst I
Large Warhead Rigor Catalyst I


Hammerhead II



Seito Yaken
Posted - 2011.06.23 00:45:00 - [6]
 

If not T2 Fury ammo, precision only then? But i think the damage is lower? Though am not to well know with the explosive radius you mention.

Navaris Dreadblade
Posted - 2011.06.23 00:56:00 - [7]
 

For anything smaller than a battleship, use Caldari Navy ammo. It has a much smaller explosion radius, so launching them at smaller targets you'll do more damage than the huge radius of Fury ammo. Against most battleships, you should be fine shooting fury for extra damage.

The problem with your original fit is it doesn't have any damage and the tank makes overkill an understatement. That's why you're probably having issues breaking tanks.

I wouldn't suggest a Tengu until you have the basics of fitting and the mechanics of how your ships work down.

Yabba Addict
Posted - 2011.06.23 01:02:00 - [8]
 

Faction ammo is kinda overdoing it, you're only gonna be using it to kill off the cruiser sized hulls and they ain't great bounty. Use Normal T1 tuff, it does the job fine. As for switching out for T2 rage for the BS, you can, but as to wether you can be bothered to is another story, most people just use T1 missiles all throughout the mission


Caleidascope
Minmatar
Republic Military School
Posted - 2011.06.23 01:34:00 - [9]
 

Originally by: Seito Yaken
Originally by: Caleidascope
Is it WC with guristas and serpentis?
If it is Gur/Serp WC, then you want heat and kinetic resists. So my mids would be:
1x X-large shield booster
2x shield boost amp
1x large shield extender
1x kinetic resist
1x thermal resist

I use 3 rigor rigs.

In the low I use combination of bcu, cpu upgrade and utility stuff like signal amplifier or pds.



Yup, its the Gur/Serp WC, am using the correct hardeners on the ship, just didn't change it the the setup i posted. Anyway, if i follow your advice i can't really run the shield booster very long, as my cap will empty pretty fast i think?


My Navy Raven is not cap stable. My Navy Scorpion is not cap stable. My Raven is not cap stable.

I pulse the shield booster. This tactic works for me. I do have to warp out sometime, but the isk and lp is good so not a big deal for me.

Seito Yaken
Posted - 2011.06.23 11:03:00 - [10]
 

Edited by: Seito Yaken on 23/06/2011 11:03:53
Okay, thanks for the answers, i'll try out with some BCU's in the lows and see how it goes. Also gonna try out T1 ammo.

Tamara Deteis
Posted - 2011.06.23 11:08:00 - [11]
 

And if you are low on CPU, switch to caldari navy cruise launchers.

Tangodude
Posted - 2011.06.23 11:09:00 - [12]
 

- add as many ballistic control units as your cap and other skills will allow. First one adds 20% dps, 2nd 16%, 3rd 12%.

- use rigor rigs or target painter to help hit small ships. Rigor rigs have cpu penalties so you may need to check skills.

- consider a dread guristas large shield booster. Only ~50 mil.

something like this:

[Raven, mission raven]
Power Diagnostic System II
Power Diagnostic System II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II

Invulnerability Field II
Heat Dissipation Field II
Photon Scattering Field II
Dread Guristas Large Shield Booster
Shield Boost Amplifier II
Shield Boost Amplifier II

Cruise Missile Launcher II, Paradise Fury Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Paradise Fury Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Paradise Fury Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Paradise Fury Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Paradise Fury Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Paradise Fury Cruise Missile
Small Tractor Beam I
[empty high slot]

Large Warhead Rigor Catalyst I
Large Warhead Rigor Catalyst I
Large Warhead Rigor Catalyst I


Seito Yaken
Posted - 2011.06.23 11:57:00 - [13]
 

The Dread Guristas Large Shield Booster, sure you don't mean x-large? Will my tank be enough with "only" a large shield booster?

Drakuruu
Posted - 2011.06.23 12:53:00 - [14]
 

[Raven, mission raven]
Power Diagnostic System II
Power Diagnostic System II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II

Invulnerability Field II
Heat Dissipation Field II
Photon Scattering Field II
Dread Guristas Large Shield Booster
Shield Boost Amplifier II
Shield Boost Amplifier II

Cruise Missile Launcher II, Paradise Fury Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Paradise Fury Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Paradise Fury Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Paradise Fury Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Paradise Fury Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Paradise Fury Cruise Missile
Small Tractor Beam I
[empty high slot]

Large Warhead Rigor Catalyst I
Large Warhead Rigor Catalyst I
Large Warhead Rigor Catalyst I

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This build is amazing for low SP new raven pilot. i used it for awhile myself while fending off all the haters saying i wasnt ready. I assure you the DG Large SB is plenty with the 2x SBA. only thing is, you really have to go by eve-survival for each mission to the tee. Try to upgrade to a CNR as soon as you can. They are expensive but well worth the investment until you can get into a Golem if thats your intent. Have fun and good luck Wink

Exploited Engineer
Posted - 2011.06.23 13:12:00 - [15]
 

Edited by: Exploited Engineer on 23/06/2011 13:13:10
Originally by: Seito Yaken
Am trying to do Worlds Collide in a Raven atm, fitting is:
[Raven, DFS]
Capacitor Flux Coil II
Capacitor Flux Coil II
Capacitor Flux Coil II
Capacitor Flux Coil II
Capacitor Flux Coil II



There's your first problem: No damage mods. Try at least 2 BCUIIs.

Also: Friends don't let friends fit CFCs. Throw them out and use power diagnostic units instead.

Quote:
Large Capacitor Control Circuit I
Large Capacitor Control Circuit I
Large Capacitor Control Circuit I


There's your second problem: No rigor rigs (if using cruise missiles, flare rigs if using torpedoes).

Quote:
Tank is no problem,


Your fitting looks hopelessly overtanked. You need to consider DPS as part of your tank - wrecks won't shoot back.

Cap stability only matters if you want to spend most of your time afk, especially on a missile boat that doesn't require cap for anything other than running shield mods.

Tangodude
Posted - 2011.06.23 13:22:00 - [16]
 

Edited by: Tangodude on 23/06/2011 13:43:16
Originally by: Seito Yaken
The Dread Guristas Large Shield Booster, sure you don't mean x-large? Will my tank be enough with "only" a large shield booster?


Tanks 439 (uniform damage) and cap lasts 3:30 min with max skills.

Maybe start with your fit and work toward higher dps/rigor rig fit as you gain skills.

Seito Yaken
Posted - 2011.06.23 14:02:00 - [17]
 

Originally by: Tangodude
Edited by: Tangodude on 23/06/2011 13:43:16
Originally by: Seito Yaken
The Dread Guristas Large Shield Booster, sure you don't mean x-large? Will my tank be enough with "only" a large shield booster?


Tanks 439 (uniform damage) and cap lasts 3:30 min with max skills.

Maybe start with your fit and work toward higher dps/rigor rig fit as you gain skills.


About the same here, got enough skills i would say, so if i tank around/over 400, your fit should be good enough? Won't use rigors yet, as i've already injected those cap rigs, so i'll wait for the raven to die first, so am gonna try your setup, only difference is am using x3 cap rigs instead.

Navaris Dreadblade
Posted - 2011.06.23 15:32:00 - [18]
 

Edited by: Navaris Dreadblade on 23/06/2011 15:34:57
With proper gank and trigger/aggro control, 400 DPS tank is enough for any mission. With less gank you start needing more tank, and if inexperienced you need more tank to cover for mistakes. A good rule of thumb is to start with 400 dps gank and 600 dps tank and go from there. L4s are definitely possible with less (I think my first apoc had 450 dps and 400 tank), but some of the harder ones you'll have to skip.

That said, with a Raven you can range tank most pirates because you should have huge range with cruises.


 

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