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Jonathan Ferguson
JC Ferguson and Son Ltd
Ferguson Alliance
Posted - 2011.07.14 22:00:00 - [31]
 

0 for 11 and counting (though I'm having second thoughts about #8. I'd prefer someone who is able to see through the sham that was billed as the CSM emergency summit.)

But instead of 8 I've thought of a few more:

9. Announce that you will not be nerfing wormholes again in the foreseeable future and that even contemplating doing so was one of your stupider decisions in a year of colossally stupid decisions.

10. Announce that while you enjoy Mittens' asshattery and tomfoolery that you can't in good conscience take his recommendations seriously when he so clearly does not have the best interests of the game or the players (who aren't in his alliance) at heart (and has said as much.) And since the rest of this CSM are little more than sycophants, that applies to them as well. (Getting to work on a direct input from the players (voting/survey) system in the background would be a good idea.)

11. Announce that you've taken a few hours out of the workday to discuss this and this with your employees and to make it clear that you understand and embrace the contents therein.

Zagdul
Gallente
Clan Shadow Wolf
Fatal Ascension
Posted - 2011.07.14 22:11:00 - [32]
 

Glad to see AkJon Ferguson feels he's smarter than CCP.

I mean, what better way to get your point across than by being patronizing and belittling. That really wins the hearts of the people you're trying to communicate to.

bravo... not.

Jonathan Ferguson
JC Ferguson and Son Ltd
Ferguson Alliance
Posted - 2011.07.14 22:15:00 - [33]
 

Originally by: Zagdul
Glad to see AkJon Ferguson feels he's smarter than CCP.

I mean, what better way to get your point across than by being patronizing and belittling. That really wins the hearts of the people you're trying to communicate to.

bravo... not.

Feels?

"patronizing and belittling"? What can I say? I learned something from CCP.

Now go back to petitioning wardecs and saying that EVE needs more ISK faucets and stuff. ugh

Pok Nibin
Amarr
Posted - 2011.07.14 23:11:00 - [34]
 

Edited by: Pok Nibin on 14/07/2011 23:11:57

CCP doesn't have to recover from this. All they need do is rely on the time-proven short attention span. For every arrogant old-timer (that wants to tell them their business) who quits, a new player logs. They know that, though half the people on this thread don't...either that or they're pretending it's not so in some forlorn hope CCP is dumb enough to fall for bovine scatology.

Not only is MT here to stay in THIS game, it's going to be in every game to some degree to follow ad nauseum, et cetera. The only people who have anything to recover from are the ones who think by buying the milk they own the dairy. Since Luddite Joe this has been the case, and since Luddite Joe, the dairy owner did what he wanted anyway.

Past a certain point this uproar has all the markings of a spoiled child in a department store digging his tennis shoe heels into the tile while mommy drags him away from the toy section screaming as she attempts to endure the disapproving frowns of the general public. Smack the child? The same folks yell, "Brutality!"

a.) Wait them out.

b.) Do what you planned all along.

c.) Look back on this and chuckle to yourself.







Tippia
Caldari
Sunshine and Lollipops
Posted - 2011.07.14 23:36:00 - [35]
 

Edited by: Tippia on 14/07/2011 23:40:32
Originally by: kardjaval
notice, when incarna came out, their playerbase has active players at any random hour has been around 50k ploayers, much higher than right before the patch.
No. They had a slight bump for three or four days, but then it was all downhill.

Before the patch, it consistently peaked above 45k and went up towards 55k on busy days. After the patch, it is struggling to get up to 45k, and above 50k on peak days. This in contrast to how it usually goes, when patches bring in extra players by the thousands. Post-patch Saturday was at least 2-3k players short of where it should have been; post-patch Sunday was at least 5k players short.

Incarna has — without a shadow of a doubt — been an unmitigated disaster.
Originally by: Gwenywell Shumuku
Originally by: AkJon Ferguson
Lord knows, they're not the sharpest tools in the shed.
See, thats what ppl miss about all this: NEVER assume someone is doing this kind of stuff out of stupidity.
Nah. Hanlon's razor is still in effect: don't attribute to malice what can be sufficiently explained by incompetence. But to be honest, that just makes it more worrying… Neutral

Taedrin
Gallente
Kushan Industrial
Posted - 2011.07.14 23:57:00 - [36]
 

Originally by: Jonathan Ferguson
Originally by: Zagdul
Glad to see AkJon Ferguson feels he's smarter than CCP.

I mean, what better way to get your point across than by being patronizing and belittling. That really wins the hearts of the people you're trying to communicate to.

bravo... not.

Feels?

"patronizing and belittling"? What can I say? I learned something from CCP.

Now go back to petitioning wardecs and saying that EVE needs more ISK faucets and stuff. ugh


Unfortunately, you are not even shining by comparison here. You ares imply reducing yourself in a way that makes you seem arrogant and ignorant.

TBH, it seems like your OP is simply a means for you to say that your way is better and anyone who disagrees with you is stupid. You will be much more successful in your persuasion if you remain calm, collected and rational.

Important Person
Posted - 2011.07.15 00:00:00 - [37]
 

Posting in another Fergusson bawwww thread.

Discrodia
Gallente
Symbiosis International
Moose Alliance
Posted - 2011.07.15 00:47:00 - [38]
 

If they hired you to make changes, it would be the first smart thing they've done in 3 weeks.

But, don't hope for it.

Serene Repose
Caldari
Perkone
Posted - 2011.07.15 00:52:00 - [39]
 

Originally by: Important Person
Posting in another Fergusson bawwww thread.

What are you, the forum gnat?

Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
Posted - 2011.07.15 01:30:00 - [40]
 

Originally by: AkJon Ferguson
Lord knows, they're not the sharpest tools in the shed. Maybe they're finally ready to listen to their customers, because they can see the writing on the wall if they don't. If I was advising them, here's where I'd start:

1. Make incarna completely optional.

2. Remove microtransactions completely from non-incarna gameplay.

3. Give people the option to have their old avatars back.

4. Spend adequate resources on Internet Spaceships.

5. Fire soundwave and the marketing guy.

6. Make it clear to all CCP employees that if they post on forums on one of their alts in defense of CCP, they will be fired.

7. Apologize to the last CSM, who warned you well ahead of time exactly what would happen if you do what you did and did everything in their power to prevent it.

8. Hire Mynxee as your Chief Ethics Officer and give her access to all internal communications and the power to make them public if she considers their contents to contradict your public positions or to be against the interests of the playerbase.

CCP asks its players to invest a significant amount of time/resources to its game. On top of that we pay for everything at CCP. They owe us gratitude, honesty, and improved gameplay over time.

They're 0 for 3 so far.


You have a strange sense of humor, AkJon.

That post was meant to be a joke...right?

Mr Epeen Cool

Speaker4 theDead
Caldari
Posted - 2011.07.15 01:32:00 - [41]
 

Originally by: Allant Doran
Incarna, so far, has been less buggy for me personally than the past 3 expansions have been. So far i'd say, way to go CCP, you're getting the hang of cleaner patches.


8 updates was a clean patch? Do you work for Microsoft?


Bunnyy Lebowski
Posted - 2011.07.15 01:45:00 - [42]
 

Originally by: AkJon Ferguson
Lord knows, they're not the sharpest tools in the shed. Maybe they're finally ready to listen to their customers, because they can see the writing on the wall if they don't. If I was advising them, here's where I'd start:

1. Make incarna completely optional.

2. Remove microtransactions completely from non-incarna gameplay.

3. Give people the option to have their old avatars back.

4. Spend adequate resources on Internet Spaceships.

5. Fire soundwave and the marketing guy.

6. Make it clear to all CCP employees that if they post on forums on one of their alts in defense of CCP, they will be fired.

7. Apologize to the last CSM, who warned you well ahead of time exactly what would happen if you do what you did and did everything in their power to prevent it.

8. Hire Mynxee as your Chief Ethics Officer and give her access to all internal communications and the power to make them public if she considers their contents to contradict your public positions or to be against the interests of the playerbase.

CCP asks its players to invest a significant amount of time/resources to its game. On top of that we pay for everything at CCP. They owe us gratitude, honesty, and improved gameplay over time.

They're 0 for 3 so far.



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Tuhikya
Posted - 2011.07.15 02:01:00 - [43]
 

For the love of god this has been a month now

If you hate CCP / EVE .... STFU and leave already

Jonathan Ferguson
JC Ferguson and Son Ltd
Ferguson Alliance
Posted - 2011.07.15 02:11:00 - [44]
 

Originally by: Taedrin
Unfortunately, you are not even shining by comparison here. You are simply reducing yourself in a way that makes you seem arrogant and ignorant.


I AM arrogant. (I'd be in the tiny minority here if I weren't.) So are the devs, so are the CSMs, so what? (You HAVE seen this, right?) Only difference is I happen to be right a hell of a lot more often than they are.

Ignorant? I stand by the facts/opinions I expressed in the post you quoted, which line(s) do you think betrayed some level of ignorance?


Wreckar
Posted - 2011.07.15 02:15:00 - [45]
 

ITT : SWTOR dev.

Jonathan Ferguson
JC Ferguson and Son Ltd
Ferguson Alliance
Posted - 2011.07.15 02:16:00 - [46]
 

Originally by: Tuhikya
CCP. ARE YOU MOVING PAST VANITY ITEMS FOR AURUM?:
[ ] YES
[ ] NO



Originally by: Tuhikya
For the love of god this has been a month now

If you hate CCP / EVE .... STFU and leave already

Not all of us have attention spans as short as you, son.

Bunnyy Lebowski
Posted - 2011.07.15 02:21:00 - [47]
 

Originally by: Jonathan Ferguson
Originally by: Taedrin
Unfortunately, you are not even shining by comparison here. You are simply reducing yourself in a way that makes you seem arrogant and ignorant.


I AM arrogant. (I'd be in the tiny minority here if I weren't.) So are the devs, so are the CSMs, so what? (You HAVE seen this, right?) Only difference is I happen to be right a hell of a lot more often than they are.

Ignorant? I stand by the facts/opinions I expressed in the post you quoted, which line(s) do you think betrayed some level of ignorance?




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Kitsune Tsuki
Amarr
L'Opaline
Posted - 2011.07.15 02:24:00 - [48]
 

Originally by: Jonathan Ferguson

Originally by: Tuhikya
For the love of god this has been a month now

If you hate CCP / EVE .... STFU and leave already

Not all of us have attention spans as short as you, son.



Well, ok, but... don't you have anything better to do than this? I mean, face it, it's over. They made the CQ optional, and that's not bad, but the stuff that really bothers people is here to stay, that's the direction MMO's are headed these days.

Speaker4 theDead
Caldari
Posted - 2011.07.15 02:27:00 - [49]
 

Originally by: Kitsune Tsuki
Originally by: Jonathan Ferguson

Originally by: Tuhikya
For the love of god this has been a month now

If you hate CCP / EVE .... STFU and leave already

Not all of us have attention spans as short as you, son.



Well, ok, but... don't you have anything better to do than this? I mean, face it, it's over. They made the CQ optional, and that's not bad, but the stuff that really bothers people is here to stay, that's the direction MMO's are headed these days.


You understand they made CQ optional for now....There is no promise to keep it, just keep it longer.


Kitsune Tsuki
Amarr
L'Opaline
Posted - 2011.07.15 02:29:00 - [50]
 

Originally by: Speaker4 theDead
Originally by: Kitsune Tsuki

Well, ok, but... don't you have anything better to do than this? I mean, face it, it's over. They made the CQ optional, and that's not bad, but the stuff that really bothers people is here to stay, that's the direction MMO's are headed these days.


You understand they made CQ optional for now....There is no promise to keep it, just keep it longer.




Ack... they better make it so it doesn't crash the game EVERY time I dock, then.

Jonathan Ferguson
JC Ferguson and Son Ltd
Ferguson Alliance
Posted - 2011.07.15 02:33:00 - [51]
 

Originally by: Bunnyy Lebowski
Please visit your user settings to re-enable images.


Thanks, that made me laugh.

Jonathan Ferguson
JC Ferguson and Son Ltd
Ferguson Alliance
Posted - 2011.07.15 02:44:00 - [52]
 

Originally by: Kitsune Tsuki
I mean, face it, it's over.


What? Over? Did you say over?

Omara Otawan
Posted - 2011.07.15 02:45:00 - [53]
 

Originally by: AkJon Ferguson

garbage

fire this guy

threaten to fire more guys

more garbage



Dude, it really is time for you to stop posting.

MatrixSkye Mk2
Minmatar
Posted - 2011.07.15 02:50:00 - [54]
 

Originally by: AkJon Ferguson
6. Make it clear to all CCP employees that if they post on forums on one of their alts in defense of CCP, they will be fired.
No.


Kitsune Tsuki
Amarr
L'Opaline
Posted - 2011.07.15 02:58:00 - [55]
 

Originally by: Jonathan Ferguson
Originally by: Kitsune Tsuki
I mean, face it, it's over.


What? Over? Did you say over?


That's funny stuff. Or embarrassing. Or both.

Alsione Ailermane
Amarr
Crimson Empire.
Nulli Secunda
Posted - 2011.07.15 03:33:00 - [56]
 

Originally by: Borun Tal
Originally by: Allant Doran
Incarna, so far, has been less buggy for me personally than the past 3 expansions have been. So far i'd say, way to go CCP, you're getting the hang of cleaner patches.


So you don't use drones or missiles? :-p


I use drones all the time and haven't had a single issue.

Tuhikya
Posted - 2011.07.15 12:23:00 - [57]
 

Originally by: Jonathan Ferguson
Originally by: Tuhikya
CCP. ARE YOU MOVING PAST VANITY ITEMS FOR AURUM?:
[ ] YES
[ ] NO



Originally by: Tuhikya
For the love of god this has been a month now

If you hate CCP / EVE .... STFU and leave already

Not all of us have attention spans as short as you, son.




Question has been answered son & I'm for the most part happy. How about you redirect your rage to something useful like the rebalance of railguns ?

Jonathan Ferguson
JC Ferguson and Son Ltd
Ferguson Alliance
Posted - 2011.07.15 18:31:00 - [58]
 

Originally by: Tuhikya
Originally by: Jonathan Ferguson
Originally by: Tuhikya
CCP. ARE YOU MOVING PAST VANITY ITEMS FOR AURUM?:
[ ] YES
[ ] NO



Originally by: Tuhikya
For the love of god this has been a month now

If you hate CCP / EVE .... STFU and leave already

Not all of us have attention spans as short as you, son.




Question has been answered son & I'm for the most part happy. How about you redirect your rage to something useful like the rebalance of railguns ?

The answer was yes and you're happy? So you would have been unhappy if the answer was no?

Jonathan Ferguson
JC Ferguson and Son Ltd
Ferguson Alliance
Posted - 2011.07.16 18:39:00 - [59]
 

12. Require that all CCP employees working on EVE publicly disclose their alliance affiliations, if any (both past and current.) No need to provide specific alt identities, but just basics like:

CCP Soundwave Lead Designer for Internet Spaceships: Goonswarm/fleet/waffe 2005 (or whatever the actual date is) - Present

It wasn't cool when T20 cheated to help BoB and it's not cool when Touborg cheats to help goons.

Dante Marcellus
Minmatar
Belligerent Underpayed Tactical Team
Posted - 2011.07.16 19:22:00 - [60]
 

Originally by: Jonathan Ferguson
12. Require that all CCP employees working on EVE publicly disclose their alliance affiliations, if any (both past and current.) No need to provide specific alt identities, but just basics like:

CCP Soundwave Lead Designer for Internet Spaceships: Goonswarm/fleet/waffe 2005 (or whatever the actual date is) - Present

It wasn't cool when T20 cheated to help BoB and it's not cool when Touborg cheats to help goons.


Stop digging up old threads.


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