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Gwenywell Shumuku
Posted - 2011.06.24 00:28:00 - [2311]
 

Edited by: Gwenywell Shumuku on 24/06/2011 00:28:54
Originally by: Duchess Starbuckington
Originally by: Gwenywell Shumuku
Ok, before signing off for today, i just wanted to check where we are on the CHECKLIST:

[x] denial -> most are past that, a few hardcore dudes are still hoping
[o] anger -> ongoing still, keep it strong guys
[o] bargaining -> some are already here, hoping CCP will give in to the demands, canceling subs and waiting
[ ] depression -> nope, not yet, just a few gave up commenting already
[o] acceptance -> a portion of the playerbase already accepted, but never got through the 5 stages, so don't really count for the checklist

Ok, we have to keep the "anger" stage alive guys, go strong.


Well I'm seriously considering sub cancellation for the first time, umm, ever actually. Does that make me depression?


Nope, that would be "bargaining" as you hope CCP notices and thus react to it. If you ragequit however and never look back, thats depression Cool

If you then come back and resub, while full MT stuff is implemented, thats acceptance.

Jonny Utrigas
Posted - 2011.06.24 00:33:00 - [2312]
 

Edited by: Jonny Utrigas on 24/06/2011 00:37:50
Edited by: Jonny Utrigas on 24/06/2011 00:36:00
3.33333333333...
PLEX per monocle
so, 16 and 2/3rds

edit to add: It's not game breaking, but hella funny since people are falling/did fall for this, but the discussion on prices belongs in the other thread. The real issue in this one that CCP might respond to, is the future plans of buying advantages with AURUM, especially buying overpowered items that appear out of nothing.

second edit: fixed some misspellings and improper word usage.

Ancyker
Test Alliance Please Ignore
Posted - 2011.06.24 00:35:00 - [2313]
 

CCPs actions contradict themselves: When CCP was talking about Incarna and adding microtransactions I had told some friends that I figured they'd add a new currency and probably allow PLEX to be converted to it. At the time no plans for such a thing were announced and some people actually told me it would "never happen". I said it'd be the only thing that would make sense, since no one would pay an entire PLEX for a t-shirt.

Then AUR was announced, which fit into what I had stated. Naturally myself and many others thought the same thing, the point of AUR was to split a PLEX into (very) small (~0.5 cents/each) representations of real world currency. And pretty much all of us assumed this was because things were going to be significantly cheaper than a PLEX, i.e. $0.50-2.00 each.

When I saw the Noble Store my first reaction was in line with everyone else. At this point I knew things were going to get bad, before this even got leaked. When someone starts trying to pay for an entire expansion with just a handful of items you know things are going to get bad. This, to me, shows a desperate attempt at trying to make as much money as possible regardless of the ultimate cost to the quality of the game.

I have nothing against MT, however, the way CCP is going about it is wrong. Very wrong. Looking at this from a business perspective, MT are a great way to supplement a games income. If I were in CCP's shoes I would have added them a long time ago, but I wouldn't be doing it the way CCP is.

First, while I know many people are against it, ships could very well be added, as long as they are in line with other ships in the game. What I mean is, you could take a popular faction ship, i.e. the Dramiel or Macherial, copy the stats exactly and give it a different, unique, model. It's a ship, but it's just vanity. The idea of mixing in game achievements with MT works in theory, but only in certain situations. Namely Ship+AUR = same ship, different model.

The pricing CCP is using won't actually get them that much money compared to what they should be doing. As was stated many times previously, micro transactions work because they are small. They encourage impulse buying -- the same as the impulse items (gum, candy bars, etc) at the checkout in a super market. If an item costs more than a subscription, people are much less likely to buy it. No item should cost more than $5, the average price should be no more than $2.

If CCP really has their heart (and wallet) set on needing to add "items of power", they need to aim/balance it so at most a PLEX worth of AUR a month for an account gets it all the "items of power" it needs. If they shoot for any higher that than it's going to fail -- no if, ands or buts about it. Ideally, however, CCP shouldn't go this route at all. Keep items vanity -- but if you must do it, this is the way.

Looks are important to most people, and they will pay quite a lot just to look cool. Ships skins and clothing are a good way to go. It needs a lot of variety and it needs to be easy for people to change. CCP seems to have based the prices on people buy 1 outfit and they are done, but I'm sure many of people had planned to buy several outfits for all their (main) characters.


tl;dr:
CCPs plan won't work, at all, with anyone. You are going to ruin the game and there will be no going back. Avoid items of power but if you must add them keep them in line with other items in game. Lower MT prices, go for a large quantity sold cheaply rather than a small quantity sold for a lot. It will make things seem fair and end up making more money in the long run.

Black Dranzer
Caldari
Posted - 2011.06.24 00:36:00 - [2314]
 


Miilla
Minmatar
Hulkageddon Orphanage
Posted - 2011.06.24 00:37:00 - [2315]
 



Dress up MT all you want... Oh its more Eve revenue...

It is a horse and balloon show for funding WoD nothing more.

Just like a political campaigning... Horses and Balloons.


Black Dranzer
Caldari
Posted - 2011.06.24 00:39:00 - [2316]
 


Gwenywell Shumuku
Posted - 2011.06.24 00:39:00 - [2317]
 

So, they did send in a "noname"-Dev (at least for the community)...lets see how this turns out.

Joe Skellington
Minmatar
Matari Legion Holding
Matari Legion
Posted - 2011.06.24 00:40:00 - [2318]
 


Mehrdad Kor-Azor
Amarr
Iure Divino
Posted - 2011.06.24 00:41:00 - [2319]
 

Edited by: Mehrdad Kor-Azor on 24/06/2011 00:48:40
Originally by: CCP Pann
Hi, everyone

Some of you who have been around for a while may remember me. I was the original community manager for EVE. These days, I oversee the PR and Community teams. While most of what I do happens behind the curtains, I am still aware of whatís going on front and center. I would be lying if I said that whatís happening now didnít make me sad, but Iím not here to ask for your sympathy. To be perfectly honest, Iím here to buy time while we try to sort things out. No sense in lying about it so I'll call a spade a spade.

Itís clear that many of you are <understatement alert> angry </alert>. Thereís a lot happening, things are changing quickly and we havenít been as forthcoming as you were used to in the past. Iím willing to step out front and take a lot of heat for that since I was the one who made the decision to hold off on responding for a while to see if things cooled down once the new wore off.

I was wrong to do that and I apologize. We should have said something much sooner. We should have done more to address your concerns and be forthcoming, even if we werenít going to be able to immediately give you all of the answers you were looking for or the answer your questions in ways that will instantly turn those frowns upside down. To be even more candid, I cannot answer all of your questions, either, but I am working with the people who can to start getting those answers for you. Again, I know weíre doing this past the expiration date of your patience but I hope youíll bear with me.

I know that, with very few exceptions, most of you donít know me from Adam. I havenít earned your trust or respect; therefore I have no right to ask anything of you Ė but I am going to try, anyway. Can I please count on at least some of you to help bring the pitchforks and torches down a few notches?

Like I said, I wonít be able to answer all of your questions tonight, but I promise weíll start getting some info out tomorrow. As I see it, the chief complaint is regarding the high cost of goods in the Nobel Market. Second, many people are unhappy about the Captainís Quarters. Third, there are some performance issues with Incarna. I would appreciate it if you would confirm my observations or tell me what Iím missing, but I do ask that you do it in a productive way. I will remove posts without prejudice if they are counterproductive to the conversation I hope to have with you.

If youíve read this much, thanks for staying with me. If you have something to say, Iíd like very much to hear it.

Humbly yours,
~P~



Let's hope we get a good, straightforward, and honest response sometime soon.

EDIT: Never mind, not a single damn thing about the newsletter... pitchforks and torches back out, kids.

Miilla
Minmatar
Hulkageddon Orphanage
Posted - 2011.06.24 00:42:00 - [2320]
 

Edited by: Miilla on 24/06/2011 00:41:54
Originally by: Black Dranzer
http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1536065

STOP THE PRESSES



I told ya all, FRIDAY they talk, and we get to vent over the weekend.




Menas
Roving Guns Inc.
RAZOR Alliance
Posted - 2011.06.24 00:42:00 - [2321]
 

If this is real, and it looks like it is, then can someone in Iceland go over and kick that Kristoffer Touborg guy in the arse, please? It seems to be where his brains are located.

Billion isk monacles (lol, wtf?) and vanity items I don't give a crap about - they don't give any advantage. But unfortunately it doesn't sound like it'll just be vanity items...

"Not all virtual purchases will focus on customization; some will be new items, ammunition, ships, etc. that can be purchased outright."

"... but we would have the option to sell premium content and services at a much higher price point."

"... we will effect a universal strategy of micro-sales throughout the EVE experience."


Oh, and +1 vote for John Turbefield as El Presidente of the CCP banana republic.

Probably Alt
Posted - 2011.06.24 00:46:00 - [2322]
 

I'm sorry but that response from CCP was an utter **** in on the customers and flippant. Someone is trolling for harder flames. Another account gone.

Gwenywell Shumuku
Posted - 2011.06.24 00:47:00 - [2323]
 

Edited by: Gwenywell Shumuku on 24/06/2011 00:47:40
Oh, and don't fold now guys, damage control has just started, meaning this is diplomatic foreplay. Send in the first to test the waters. Make some statements, see reactions.

P.s. i have no interest in bringing CCP down if they are serious about it, but the post just says "ok i hoped it would go away, it didn't...now lets talk".

Carmine Lady
Amarr
Sinners.
Yarr Collective
Posted - 2011.06.24 00:48:00 - [2324]
 

Originally by: Gwenywell Shumuku
Edited by: Gwenywell Shumuku on 24/06/2011 00:47:40
Oh, and don't fold now guys, damage control has just started, meaning this is diplomatic foreplay. Send in the first to test the waters. Make some statements, see reactions.

P.s. i have no interest in bringing CCP down if they are serious about it, but the post just says "ok i hoped it would go away, it didn't...now lets talk".

QFT +1

Reed Tiburon
Caldari
Future Corps
Sleeper Social Club
Posted - 2011.06.24 00:50:00 - [2325]
 

"Maybe if we pretend we didn't hear about the newsletter rage, they won't be mad at us anymore"

Rolling Eyes

Tea Ester Elliot
Posted - 2011.06.24 00:50:00 - [2326]
 

Originally by: Miilla
Edited by: Miilla on 24/06/2011 00:41:54
Originally by: Black Dranzer
http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1536065

STOP THE PRESSES



I told ya all, FRIDAY they talk, and we get to vent over the weekend.






I like how her list of complaints consisted of the monocle prices and CQ stuff, but ABSOLULTELY DID NOT TOUCH the issue of expanding ARUM.

Probably Alt
Posted - 2011.06.24 00:51:00 - [2327]
 

Edited by: Probably Alt on 24/06/2011 00:52:08
Originally by: CCP Pann
The newsletter was not fake. I guess this is how it feels when someone reads your diary, something you hadn't intended anyone else to see. Not to deflect the heat but to explain why what I'm about to say, I wasn't involved with writing it. The only reason I mention that is because I am not going to presume to know the minds of the people who did have comments in there. I am not going to throw people I love under the bus or to the lions or whatever. I can't/won't answer questions about what they said or why they said it.

Our newsletters are written as a means to bring about discussion (that sometimes can even become heated debate) among our coworkers. That's really all I can say about it. I am not a game designer. I'm a mouthpiece. I'll admit it. By the time I get involved, the decisions have been made. Not making excuses for myself, just explaining.


Done

Edit: bold is the opps part on CCP's behalf.

Those saying it is fake, please post your photos of you eating crow below.

Miilla
Minmatar
Hulkageddon Orphanage
Posted - 2011.06.24 00:53:00 - [2328]
 


Tachibana Kanade
Posted - 2011.06.24 00:53:00 - [2329]
 

Originally by: Probably Alt
Edited by: Probably Alt on 24/06/2011 00:52:08
Originally by: CCP Pann
The newsletter was not fake. I guess this is how it feels when someone reads your diary, something you hadn't intended anyone else to see. Not to deflect the heat but to explain why what I'm about to say, I wasn't involved with writing it. The only reason I mention that is because I am not going to presume to know the minds of the people who did have comments in there. I am not going to throw people I love under the bus or to the lions or whatever. I can't/won't answer questions about what they said or why they said it.

Our newsletters are written as a means to bring about discussion (that sometimes can even become heated debate) among our coworkers. That's really all I can say about it. I am not a game designer. I'm a mouthpiece. I'll admit it. By the time I get involved, the decisions have been made. Not making excuses for myself, just explaining.


Done

Edit: bold is the opps part on CCP's behalf.

Those saying it is fake, please post your photos of you eating crow below.



Make sure the shoe fits in your mouth white knighters

Probably Alt
Posted - 2011.06.24 00:54:00 - [2330]
 

Originally by: Miilla
http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1536065&page=5#138

read my contribution :) (with imags)


I do love you Miila

Kewso
Posted - 2011.06.24 00:55:00 - [2331]
 

I find it annoying sitting around spamming lfg for dragon raid, while there are plenty of raids going on in volcanus or stygia for master levels, but only people raiding dragon are gold farmers nowdays. we need to get more people together for the dragon! We dont need no measly master levels, we need more phat dragon lewtz!

So lets rally in Jita, need tanks/healers and crowd control


[email protected]#[email protected]#

Maraner
Caldari
Posted - 2011.06.24 00:58:00 - [2332]
 

Edited by: Maraner on 24/06/2011 01:00:38
I find it amusing that Gewnywell is paraphrasing Kubler Ross' stages of death and dying. If EVE is to live on in its current form then micro transactions need to be strictly limited to cosmetic changes to game. Personally I have no issues with someone that wants the billion isk shirt or whatever (I do think if you get podded it should be destroyed), after all if your monocle survives your immolation why not your implants?

If however CCP place ships and items in the game that significantly effect gameplay I am gone. I will cancel my accounts and move on. This is reminding me of Star Wars Galaxies. A game that still causes a shiver in MMO developer circles. It was a sand box MMO that had a respectable fan base with a good income, someone had a vision and it was destroyed. CCP should heed the warning.

Make your shirts and your custom paint job kits or whatever, I think many of us could care less. Put ships and items that effect game play availble throught micro transactions and you will likely reap the whirlwind.

Lithalnas
Amarr
Privateers
Privateer Alliance
Posted - 2011.06.24 00:58:00 - [2333]
 

I think something CCP as well as anyone should learn from this is that if you have something you consider "better if document/blog/business model not released to the public" then you should reconsider why and how you are doing that project.

BTW, we need a good name to this even, Monocle-Gate?

Shang Ty
Degenerate Corp
Get Off My Lawn
Posted - 2011.06.24 00:59:00 - [2334]
 

EVE Online Subscription Cancelled

You have cancelled your EVE Online subscription.

Your account will be suspended at the end of the current subscription period, expiring on ******.

Your characters will be stored safely and be ready for you to enjoy again should you decide to return.

Desya Dak'ann
Caldari
No Ducks Allowed
Posted - 2011.06.24 00:59:00 - [2335]
 

"Weíre going to face an uphill struggle, and the reason many of us never talk about this publically is that weíd be burned at the stake by the players."

Oh looksie what happened

Lord Caledon
Degenerate Corp
Get Off My Lawn
Posted - 2011.06.24 01:00:00 - [2336]
 

EVE Online Subscription Cancelled

You have cancelled your EVE Online subscription.

Your account will be suspended at the end of the current subscription period, expiring on ******.

Your characters will be stored safely and be ready for you to enjoy again should you decide to return (NOT LIKELY)

Tea Ester Elliot
Posted - 2011.06.24 01:01:00 - [2337]
 

Dear "it's fake," crowd:

Originally by: CCP Pann
The newsletter was not fake. I guess this is how it feels when someone reads your diary, something you hadn't intended anyone else to see. Not to deflect the heat but to explain why what I'm about to say, I wasn't involved with writing it. The only reason I mention that is because I am not going to presume to know the minds of the people who did have comments in there. I am not going to throw people I love under the bus or to the lions or whatever. I can't/won't answer questions about what they said or why they said it.

Our newsletters are written as a means to bring about discussion (that sometimes can even become heated debate) among our coworkers. That's really all I can say about it. I am not a game designer. I'm a mouthpiece. I'll admit it. By the time I get involved, the decisions have been made. Not making excuses for myself, just explaining.


Ahahahaha, you white-knight mother****ers. Suck on that.

Black Dranzer
Caldari
Posted - 2011.06.24 01:02:00 - [2338]
 


Mistress Varia
Posted - 2011.06.24 01:02:00 - [2339]
 

EVE Online Subscription Cancelled

You have cancelled your EVE Online subscription.

Your account will be suspended at the end of the current subscription period, expiring on ******.

Your characters will be stored safely and be ready for you to enjoy again should you decide to return.

Monaco Franze
Jelly Kings
BricK sQuAD.
Posted - 2011.06.24 01:05:00 - [2340]
 

Dear CCP Infidel,

can u change my name to "Monacled Franze" please?

kthxbye!


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