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Grey Stormshadow
Starwreck Industries
Posted - 2011.06.23 19:53:00 - [1891]
 

Originally by: Black Dranzer
Originally by: MrSteack
That thread is showing up on my PC, check your connection

The thread is there. The post isn't. Their moderation is on overdrive.


Yea they deleted mine too where I "joke" and "devblog" were in same sentence.

i hatechosingnames
Gallente
SUNDERING
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2011.06.23 19:53:00 - [1892]
 


William Walker
Amarr
House Aratus
Fatal Ascension
Posted - 2011.06.23 19:54:00 - [1893]
 

-1 sub. 29th of July I'm out. I hope I can see CCP back-pedaling on this, but I doubt it.

General Windypops
The Littlest Hobos
En Garde
Posted - 2011.06.23 19:55:00 - [1894]
 

Originally by: Malachi256
It would be interesting to hear comments from representatives of some of the big corporations. Does this change anything, will there be a disruption of corp leadership, etc.


Errr... why? As previously mentioned many time there's almost no discussion of this at all in the main alliances, and they really couldn't care less. CCP is a company. With shareholders. Of course they're here to make money. Not seen a single person in game saying they were even bothered, let alone quitting.




Malachi256
Posted - 2011.06.23 19:55:00 - [1895]
 

Edited by: Malachi256 on 23/06/2011 19:55:21
Originally by: War Kitten
Posting to confirm I am shocked.

I am shocked that CCP has a marketing/sales department and that they produce newsletters, and that their goal is to make money.

Shocked I tell you.

Anybody want one of our internal newsletters at work? We try to make money too.

This has to be stopped.

Rolling Eyes




Way to misrepresent the argument. Not a single person here has stated that they don't want CCP to make money.

Robust game development is the pathway that everyone here wants CCP to take to making more money.

Short-cut microtransactions that not only don't add to the game, but are fundamentally destructive to it, are where people have a problem.


CCP going from a company of gamers doing something they love for a profit, to a company of profiteers fleecing gamers, is the fundamental issue. Two days ago (for those of us who were largely ignorant of the internal workings at CCP), this game had a future. Now, it does not.

Erichan
Posted - 2011.06.23 19:55:00 - [1896]
 

over 100k+

Reed Tiburon
Caldari
Future Corps
Sleeper Social Club
Posted - 2011.06.23 19:56:00 - [1897]
 

Edited by: Reed Tiburon on 23/06/2011 19:56:28
Originally by: Dierdra Vaal
Edited by: Dierdra Vaal on 23/06/2011 19:49:58
Edited by: Dierdra Vaal on 23/06/2011 19:49:46
lets not forget that CCP's Chief Financial Officer, Joseph Gallo, used to be Managing Director, Investment Banking at CITIGROUP.

Yes, from the bank that nearly went under and needed a massive bailout from the US government. This was the same year that Gallo left (was fired from?) citigroup after working there 14 years.

Just, you know, making sure it's not forgotten.

Sources:
http://www.linkedin.com/pub/joseph-gallo/20/726/64b
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122747680752551447.html


When a former CSM loves you so much that he brings this up, well...

Stay fighting, DV. I can't imagine what it must have been like to face this boneheaded, head-in-the-sand, island-fever attitude every time you went up to that frigid rock to talk to these chuckleheads.

http://www.galleryhosted.com/FVJEYPHPYDF2GD3/001_FVJEYPHPYDF2GD3.png

Hans Jagerblitzen
Autocannons Anonymous
Posted - 2011.06.23 19:56:00 - [1898]
 

I've posted this thread, where you all can share your thoughts on an alternative solution to the microtransaction model proposed by CCP.

They want our money, what a surprise. Lets take this opportunity to show them that we are open to ways that accomplish this without destroying the integrity of New Eden as seen by its core player base.

....resume trolling.

dhunpael
Caldari
Narwhals Ate My Duck
Posted - 2011.06.23 19:56:00 - [1899]
 

i am to shocked that ccp does this.
making money is okay, but not at the cost of your player base.

Give us less content and more real fixes.
don't implement MACRO transactions if you are allready making money every month from every player.

i am to thinking to stop playing eve if this keeps on going

Nikki West
Posted - 2011.06.23 19:56:00 - [1900]
 

Over 100k views and still no blue feedback ...

glepp
Posted - 2011.06.23 19:56:00 - [1901]
 

Unsubbed 2/3 accounts. Last one will get unsubbed soon.

They run out in october, and unless CCP changes out bigtime, I'm not investing any more time, money or effort into a company i have lost faith in.

Goodbye CCP, it was fun while you still seemed to care.

Tachibana Kanade
Posted - 2011.06.23 19:57:00 - [1902]
 

Can we say Threadtitan now?

Constantinus Maximus
Paxian Expeditionary Force
Posted - 2011.06.23 19:58:00 - [1903]
 

Originally by: Gurgeh Murat
This is NOT a whine post. Its a HOPE post.

Dear "retch" CCP

My three accounts will no longer be playing your game. Im sure the temporary influx of people who have no idea of what EvE was really about will temporarily fill the gap of me, and others like me, but you...YOU...have killed this game.

Youve destroyed the player created/maintained sandbox. How so? More than 24hrs and youve not rebutted the leaked newsletter. False is easy to denounce. Youve done **** ALL. So pay to win is a "good news feature" on its way sometime soon. In game items out of thin air.

Youve tried to gouge the people who fixed the holes in your otherwise unplayable game. to quote Professor Farnsworth "good news everyone, were ****ing you over" People paying out of their pocket to make YOUR game better.

Youve lied to us. Trust is like a mirror. You can fix it, but you always see the cracks. Oh wait, youve not even tried to fix it.

You recognize this is a niche game. That is, not full of ******ed ****ups with no sense who can put some thought into a game. Thats not a bad niche. Yet you think we will not realize when you serve cow **** as fillet steak?

You release a contentless "expansion" that provides NOTHING but a place to show off ridiculously overpriced vanity items. Ok, a few bug fixes, and I applaud that. But the basic message. MOAR MONEY!!

You move the game to micro transactions without considering that microtransactions in a PAY TO PLAY game means were being charged twice. Once just to log on, and again to have any hope of being competitive.


"oh but weve never said we're gonna move the game to microtransactions". Oryly? When one of your senior devs is massively in favour of it , I take that as a its gonna happen.

EvE has moved into its end days. Your ****ing off all the people who read the forums e.g the folk who give a damn about your game. The majority of "noobs" dont read the forums. They dont stick around either. The people who have given you money over the past 8 years ARE the people who read the forums. And they have a voice.

And an option.

Lots of them really. I have many billions in assets. It doesent mean **** if im not enjoying what YOU are doing to the game.

I can happily flit from World of Tanks to Champions online. FREE TO PLAY GAMES. If I like them, I can pay money to get better gear. Fine, outlined from the outset, and i know ill face people who have traded beer tokens (i.e. rl money) for an in game advantage.

But this...THIS.........

Yes brethren, I am more than mildly irate.

But there can be hope. CCP, stop trying to milk a golden goose. Were not that demanding. fix the many bugs, keep a STABLE player base, enjoy the revenue and use it for whatever. Dont try to nickel and dime us. Dont try to milk us. Remember the people posting on here are the REAL (no disrespect) players of eve. You trade us in for transigent income at your peril. I paid for a friend to come back to eve a month ago. Because I had faith. Your destroying it.

Bear in mind. IM not talking about changing my mortgage provider, or moving job.

"meh, EvE has become ****, ill play something else."

Its not a big deal really. Or is it....Well I guess it is if you need my subs to keep your reconfigured herring factory running.

GG CCP, gg....

Yours

Gurgeh Murat
Closed System
Dr Fynemann





Bold the bit CCP will hear. "Oh cool he agrees, F2P ftw"

Shandir
Minmatar
Brutor Tribe
Posted - 2011.06.23 19:58:00 - [1904]
 

The contempt for the player opinion was pretty shocking too.

It was clear that the only thing holding back their plans to enact full-scale MT is working out how to sneak it past us. And that they believe our (Was is 90%) refusal of MT was stupid.

If CCP doesn`t want us as players, and that`s what that newsletter says - then they can live without us.

leth ghost
Posted - 2011.06.23 19:58:00 - [1905]
 

Edited by: leth ghost on 23/06/2011 19:59:15
Please visit your user settings to re-enable images.

and another one bites the dust

Florestan Bronstein
24th Imperial Crusade
Posted - 2011.06.23 19:58:00 - [1906]
 

Edited by: Florestan Bronstein on 23/06/2011 20:02:45
Originally by: Erichk Knaar
Originally by: Tea Ester Elliot


And yet so many mmo's of the past made money on just a sub fee. Others did the same thing with a free game charging for in-game items.

Explain again why CCP now needs both (not to mention the most expensive in-game garb in history)?


Ignoring the lolprice for the monocle for second, care to name one sub-only supported game that's still running?

pretty sure Darkfall Online is still sub-only (imo harsher pvp than EVE but also much smaller playerbase).

Reed Tiburon
Caldari
Future Corps
Sleeper Social Club
Posted - 2011.06.23 19:59:00 - [1907]
 

Edited by: Reed Tiburon on 23/06/2011 19:59:11
Originally by: glepp
Unsubbed 2/3 accounts. Last one will get unsubbed soon.

They run out in october, and unless CCP changes out bigtime, I'm not investing any more time, money or effort into a company i have lost faith in.

Goodbye CCP, it was fun while you still seemed to care.


See this, CCP? You don't know him, but this is glepp. He is one of the many players who make up the vital social fabric between CCP and game. He is a regular poster on the E-UNI forums, helping the newest of the newbies get their heads around this complex and often unintuitive game. He, in short, is good people.

He doesn't give a **** about you anymore.

If I worked at CCP, I'd be worried about stuff like this.

Galandole Tsuramananda
Posted - 2011.06.23 20:00:00 - [1908]
 

Originally by: i hatechosingnames
Please visit your user settings to re-enable images.


What a badass you are.

Make sure you contract your crap to this character, so I can continue to enjoy the game with it.

Iulia Badr Marinela
Posted - 2011.06.23 20:00:00 - [1909]
 


Chip Flux
Center for Advanced Studies
Posted - 2011.06.23 20:00:00 - [1910]
 

What happened to the ` there are good people in ccp, who can turn this around like they always have`, attitude.
I do not believe for one moment, that it is not just the wrong people in charge atm, causing this.

And.. when it is sorted out, I expect to see all that clothing that you have sitting there, being denied to all your loyal players, put into the wardrobe of our rather bland quarters, every one of them

Chip Flux

Pat Morrison
Posted - 2011.06.23 20:02:00 - [1911]
 

Originally by: Enuen Ravenseye
Originally by: Cipher Jones
If everyone who said it wasn't real can just go ahead and take a picture with your foot in your mouth now that would be just great. Please post the pics in this thread only as we want a consolidated thread.


Is it possible to sticky a single post?

I almost feel bad for the CCP alts who posted with their claims of the newsletter being fake, only to find out their boss has now confirmed it's true. I would laugh but I'm afraid I'm too busy trying to hold down the bile.


CCP alts? No, they'd have seen the original.

Cedric deBouilard
Gallente
PonyWaffe
Test Alliance Please Ignore
Posted - 2011.06.23 20:02:00 - [1912]
 

Originally by: glepp
Unsubbed 2/3 accounts. Last one will get unsubbed soon.

They run out in october, and unless CCP changes out bigtime, I'm not investing any more time, money or effort into a company i have lost faith in.

Goodbye CCP, it was fun while you still seemed to care.


It's sad to hear that from you glepp, but I can't argue with your reasons for I feel the same way

Constantinus Maximus
Paxian Expeditionary Force
Posted - 2011.06.23 20:02:00 - [1913]
 

Originally by: Reed Tiburon
Edited by: Reed Tiburon on 23/06/2011 19:59:11
Originally by: glepp
Unsubbed 2/3 accounts. Last one will get unsubbed soon.

They run out in october, and unless CCP changes out bigtime, I'm not investing any more time, money or effort into a company i have lost faith in.

Goodbye CCP, it was fun while you still seemed to care.


See this, CCP? You don't know him, but this is glepp. He is one of the many players who make up the vital social fabric between CCP and game. He is a regular poster on the E-UNI forums, helping the newest of the newbies get their heads around this complex and often unintuitive game. He, in short, is good people.

He doesn't give a **** about you anymore.

If I worked at CCP, I'd be worried about stuff like this.


They don't get that. He's 1% in an SQL query done 5mins before a meeting.

Tea Ester Elliot
Posted - 2011.06.23 20:02:00 - [1914]
 

Originally by: Florestan Bronstein
Originally by: Erichk Knaar
Originally by: Tea Ester Elliot


And yet so many mmo's of the past made money on just a sub fee. Others did the same thing with a free game charging for in-game items.

Explain again why CCP now needs both (not to mention the most expensive in-game garb in history)?


Ignoring the lolprice for the monocle for second, care to name one sub-only supported game that's still running?

pretty sure Darkfall Online is still sub-only (imo harsher pvp than EVE but also much smaller playerbase).


Vanity MTs are prevalent in the sub-driven mmo market. Buying game advantages, that's not. Even blizzard has not crossed that threshold, although you might claim the race and server transfer accomplishes similar feats. The bottom line is, there are more successful titles who've pioneered more effective ways to "milk," their subscribers without taking a steaming crap on the ones who just want to sub and play without MT.

Miilla
Minmatar
Hulkageddon Orphanage
Posted - 2011.06.23 20:02:00 - [1915]
 

Originally by: Cyber Duck
When Chribba, Akita T, and Milia, all start getting concerned...

You know ****'s gettin real


2 i's and 2 'ls :)



I think this picture sums what is happening now...

Please visit your user settings to re-enable images.

I am sitting planning my exit strategy .. depending on CCP's next move.. basically my next move. So far I have cancelled all Eve App SDK development work and 2 Apps and further app brainstorming.

Terdarius
Posted - 2011.06.23 20:04:00 - [1916]
 

wow... just wow...

If this is really the direction CCP is heading I will surely miss a once great game company....
it's sad that every good game company seems to succumb to incredible greed over keeping their players happy at some point or another...

Sad

Gwenywell Shumuku
Posted - 2011.06.23 20:04:00 - [1917]
 

Originally by: Tachibana Kanade
Can we say Threadtitan now?


Well, i think if we reach at least 360.000 clicks, it would qualify.

Wen Jaibao
Aperture Harmonics
Posted - 2011.06.23 20:04:00 - [1918]
 

Originally by: Dierdra Vaal
Edited by: Dierdra Vaal on 23/06/2011 19:49:58
Edited by: Dierdra Vaal on 23/06/2011 19:49:46
lets not forget that CCP's Chief Financial Officer, Joseph Gallo, used to be Managing Director, Investment Banking at CITIGROUP.

Yes, from the bank that nearly went under and needed a massive bailout from the US government. This was the same year that Gallo left (was fired from?) citigroup after working there 14 years.

Just, you know, making sure it's not forgotten.

Sources:
http://www.linkedin.com/pub/joseph-gallo/20/726/64b
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122747680752551447.html


Christ, I can see it now.

CCP: HEY LETS HIRE THIS GUY HE HAS EXPERIENCE

No CCP, he only knows how to ruin everything and bail out with a golden parachute. I hope to god you aren't listening to anything he has to say. But you probably are. Perhaps we just found the smelly capitalist rat responsible for all of this?

Tea Ester Elliot
Posted - 2011.06.23 20:05:00 - [1919]
 

I detect smug from the OP. Cool

War Kitten
Panda McLegion
Posted - 2011.06.23 20:06:00 - [1920]
 

Originally by: Tea Ester Elliot


White knights, please elaborate. Have we been playing this game for free since 2003 and I never knew it?

Otherwise your argument holds no water.


There was no argument, just a step back from the whole outrage that CCP is trying to make money. Companies do that. Companies that don't do that fail and go under.

I make no judgement on the soundness of their decisions - I don't think MT are evil, nor do I think there is anything "Micro" about CCP's aurum.




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