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Zedah Zoid
Adhocracy Incorporated
Posted - 2011.06.23 16:23:00 - [1501]
 

Originally by: Brainless Bimbo
CCP corporate culture is no longer griefer icelander, its big corporate america, accept it, you have become a revenue input to maximise at every opportunity.


Who is the financial man, Joe Gallo, where did he come from: MD at Citigroup 1994 – 2008 (14 years)



This should not be overlooked.

Jonny Utrigas
Posted - 2011.06.23 16:25:00 - [1502]
 

Edited by: Jonny Utrigas on 23/06/2011 16:26:50
Originally by: Zedah Zoid
Originally by: Brainless Bimbo
CCP corporate culture is no longer griefer icelander, its big corporate america, accept it, you have become a revenue input to maximise at every opportunity.


Who is the financial man, Joe Gallo, where did he come from: MD at Citigroup 1994 – 2008 (14 years)



This should not be overlooked.


BANK BAILOUT Circa 2008. Yep, he failed then too.

Edit: Just to iterate on this OOPS We done ****ed up

leth ghost
Posted - 2011.06.23 16:27:00 - [1503]
 

Originally by: Jade Constantine
Here is the problem Verone. Sure when you have been playing Eve as long as we have you learn to take the rough with the smooth but you do so with the general feeling that CCP developers understand and “get” what makes Eve great – and that’s the problem now. This internal newsletter (if real) shows that one of the leading developers does not “get eve” does not care about eve, and simply sees eve as a cash cow to be milked ferociously to fund other projects. This is about keeping the golden goose of eve subscriptions (on a drip feed if necessary) while chasing and grubbing every little loose cent he can from the player base.

Let me give you a couple of examples of how this can and does (and has already) impacted our enjoyment of this game:

1. The Captains Quarters – it’s not gameplay its a display cabinet for vanity items. And the price of this display cabinet for you and I is that multi-client performance in stations is now terrible – if you have a bad graphic card it’s a jerk fest – if you have a decent graphics card it’s heat-fest. I can run 3-4 clients with CQ’s turned on – I can run it smoothly – but do I want to? Hell no because my Gtx 580 sounds like its melting my motherboard now! So I need to turn off the CQ’s on multiple accounts and as a result have more limited functionality on those accounts and an ugly wallpaper. No more station environment, no more clicking on my ship to open cargo hold, no more dragging ship to the hanger to board it. The delivery of the CQ vanity item display case has impacted my gameplay.

CCP could have made it optional and given us the option of keeping the old hanger view and added a “disembark ship” option to the UI but “oh no” to do that would have meant we weren’t being forced to look the vanity display case that marketing insisted must be front and centre if we’re to even think about buying these ridiculously overpriced items from the Noble store.

2. If you read the newsletter you’ll see reference to saved fitting slots – and I don’t know about you Verone but in JF we’ve run out of saved corp ship fittings. We want CCP to up the limit but is that really going to happen while the “biz-devs” talk honeyed words about how to squeeze extra income from players for such “minor upgrades.”?

3. Who develops these vanity items? Yes thats right its Eve artists and developers whose salary we pay with our subscriptions. Given the choice wouldn’t you rather than engine trials and flashy cyno effect rather than a bunch of overpriced tat in the Aur store? Because that is precisely the compromise being made here -> CCP using our subs money to pay for vanity item production they want to sell back to us for greedy prices and it is something you SHOULD get mad about.

Here’s the thing. The time to fight for the game we love is not in six months time when these concepts have bedded down and CCP is feeling bold enough to start selling Noble Faction ammo and +9 implants. The time to fight is now. Because this newsletter embodies everything that many of us feared but didn’t want to believe CCP were becoming capable of. It is a massive betrayal of the compact we shared as players and developers of this game and indicates that CCP is preparing to leap down a very dark and deep path of self-immolation in the months to come.

I don’t want to see Eve Online die Verone. That sounds dramatic I know, but gameworlds die when the dreams and visions are extinguished and that can happen through a succession of bad ideas foisted on a community by people who really don’t have much of a clue in business.


making sure this is on every page from nowLaughing

Karthwritte
Posted - 2011.06.23 16:29:00 - [1504]
 

Edited by: Karthwritte on 23/06/2011 16:29:21
Lol I got a analogy: eveonline it's like a restaurant, they sell lot of beer and the food its good. Like a good sports bar.
Perfect for seeing sports and adults like it to eat meat and chat and laugh.
CCP wanted to expand so they served less food for = price to have more $$, and then they used decided they wanted to have more clients JUST LIKE McDonalds so they are making a full playground for kids which take space usually used for tables which means less clients when full and now they though that they should put a ps3 for every screen so when people come they gonna pay for playing the games.
Endline? They failed because their regular clients just wanted a good place to eat, chat and drink beer but they saw the restaurant still called eveonline now was for teens than for adults. And teens doesn't go there because it's not McDonalds and they charge a lot for using the ps3. And then EVE closes and CCP opens another restaurant that ended more crappy that they wanted because their $$ income came short.
It's sad but again, I got My vision eyes...

ISquishWorms
Posted - 2011.06.23 16:29:00 - [1505]
 

Just confirming I have seen this post and I won't be resubbing either whilst EvE is a great game their greedy future vision with pay to win buttons does little to inspire me to play . Not logged in either since this news broke I have 30ish days left on my account of which I will use to train just in case CCP wake up and do away with this MT cr4p. A friend (not alt) who has just 2 days left on their account who started to play about two months ago after I used the buddy invite also will not be renewing their subscription. There are other games just as fun that you don't even need to pay for sure they have not been updated in a long time or have flashy graphics neither of which are essential for good game play, they also have significantly less bugs and issues.



The only way I will be return is if this MT rubbish is scrapped.

Bologna Brains
Posted - 2011.06.23 16:32:00 - [1506]
 

Edited by: Bologna Brains on 23/06/2011 16:32:55
Dust: "...to offset the cost of freeloading spectators Dust will have a nominal cover charge..." (i love it when you speak dirty)"

My favorite one thus far; wonder what us capsuleers are called?

Miilla
Minmatar
Hulkageddon Orphanage
Posted - 2011.06.23 16:33:00 - [1507]
 

Originally by: Brainless Bimbo
CCP corporate culture is no longer griefer icelander, its big corporate america, accept it, you have become a revenue input to maximise at every opportunity.


Who is the financial man, Joe Gallo, where did he come from: MD at Citigroup 1994 – 2008 (14 years)




Bad sign.

A banker at the helm.





Brainless Bimbo
Minmatar
Posted - 2011.06.23 16:33:00 - [1508]
 

Originally by: Othran


tl;dr were the major holders of stockpiled PLEX to organise in a certain way then CCPs cashflow would be impacted in a non-trivial way (IMHO and I have no knowledge of CCPs current finances).


Surely the company could (in fact should) set aside the revenue gained by converting GTC´s to Plex into an escrow account and earn interest on it until they are utilised, that what they should be doing instead of being short sighted imbecilic greedy ****s.

Sakura Zendragon
Posted - 2011.06.23 16:33:00 - [1509]
 

Originally by: Bologna Brains
Dust: "...to offset the cost of freeloading spectators Dust will have a nominal cover charge..." (i love it when you speak dirty)"

My favorite one thus far; wonder what us capsuleers are claled?


Whiny *****es, or something to that effect, I suppose...

Republica Winder
Caldari
State War Academy
Posted - 2011.06.23 16:34:00 - [1510]
 

Originally by: Bologna Brains
Edited by: Bologna Brains on 23/06/2011 16:32:55
Dust: "...to offset the cost of freeloading spectators Dust will have a nominal cover charge..." (i love it when you speak dirty)"

My favorite one thus far; wonder what us capsuleers are called?


Nice to know that we have been dealing with a company that has nothing but contempt for those who give them money, isn't it?

Merge them with SOE and Craptic to form Sony Craptic Control Productions. SCCP

Miilla
Minmatar
Hulkageddon Orphanage
Posted - 2011.06.23 16:35:00 - [1511]
 



Meh, I still don't want to log in.



Shani Mukantagara
Amarr
Fairlight Corp
Rooks and Kings
Posted - 2011.06.23 16:36:00 - [1512]
 

Sucks subbed all of my accounts for a year ;/

Tjarf
Posted - 2011.06.23 16:36:00 - [1513]
 

Originally by: Jade Constantine
Here is the problem Verone. Sure when you have been playing Eve as long as we have you learn to take the rough with the smooth but you do so with the general feeling that CCP developers understand and “get” what makes Eve great – and that’s the problem now. This internal newsletter (if real) shows that one of the leading developers does not “get eve” does not care about eve, and simply sees eve as a cash cow to be milked ferociously to fund other projects. This is about keeping the golden goose of eve subscriptions (on a drip feed if necessary) while chasing and grubbing every little loose cent he can from the player base.

Let me give you a couple of examples of how this can and does (and has already) impacted our enjoyment of this game:

1. The Captains Quarters – it’s not gameplay its a display cabinet for vanity items. And the price of this display cabinet for you and I is that multi-client performance in stations is now terrible – if you have a bad graphic card it’s a jerk fest – if you have a decent graphics card it’s heat-fest. I can run 3-4 clients with CQ’s turned on – I can run it smoothly – but do I want to? Hell no because my Gtx 580 sounds like its melting my motherboard now! So I need to turn off the CQ’s on multiple accounts and as a result have more limited functionality on those accounts and an ugly wallpaper. No more station environment, no more clicking on my ship to open cargo hold, no more dragging ship to the hanger to board it. The delivery of the CQ vanity item display case has impacted my gameplay.

CCP could have made it optional and given us the option of keeping the old hanger view and added a “disembark ship” option to the UI but “oh no” to do that would have meant we weren’t being forced to look the vanity display case that marketing insisted must be front and centre if we’re to even think about buying these ridiculously overpriced items from the Noble store.

2. If you read the newsletter you’ll see reference to saved fitting slots – and I don’t know about you Verone but in JF we’ve run out of saved corp ship fittings. We want CCP to up the limit but is that really going to happen while the “biz-devs” talk honeyed words about how to squeeze extra income from players for such “minor upgrades.”?

3. Who develops these vanity items? Yes thats right its Eve artists and developers whose salary we pay with our subscriptions. Given the choice wouldn’t you rather than engine trials and flashy cyno effect rather than a bunch of overpriced tat in the Aur store? Because that is precisely the compromise being made here -> CCP using our subs money to pay for vanity item production they want to sell back to us for greedy prices and it is something you SHOULD get mad about.

Here’s the thing. The time to fight for the game we love is not in six months time when these concepts have bedded down and CCP is feeling bold enough to start selling Noble Faction ammo and +9 implants. The time to fight is now. Because this newsletter embodies everything that many of us feared but didn’t want to believe CCP were becoming capable of. It is a massive betrayal of the compact we shared as players and developers of this game and indicates that CCP is preparing to leap down a very dark and deep path of self-immolation in the months to come.

I don’t want to see Eve Online die Verone. That sounds dramatic I know, but gameworlds die when the dreams and visions are extinguished and that can happen through a succession of bad ideas foisted on a community by people who really don’t have much of a clue in business.


Signed

S'qarpium D'igil
Posted - 2011.06.23 16:36:00 - [1514]
 

Posting in the epic thread.

Deimos Wolf
Amarr
Hedion University
Posted - 2011.06.23 16:37:00 - [1515]
 

I went through different stages of disbelief after the expansion came out.

First I thought :" Greedy sobs. How dare you ask 20 Bucks for a virtual piece of cloth?"
Then I tried to come up with some explanation. Main difference to most other item stores in other games is, that the wares in it can be purchased via the ingame market and currency.
So actually nothing changes. You purchase your plex, exchange it for aurum and then for isk.
Nothing changes for the isk for plex buyer.
Now the items in the noble store can be purchased. Since you have a currency transition inbetween, there is no need for a single player to invest 4 Plexes into one monocle. Actually few will.
You can buy the Noble items on aurum based of plexes of ten or more players, thus creating necessary rarity as the number of incoming plexes and with it aurum is limited.
Having said that I still think prices are too steep and ccp ought have put out an explanation beforehand.
The above is all fine for me. Where it stops is the notion of game changing items in the store.
Wben these come and price relation stays high, then a normal grunt would have to grind too long to get the items. So here one would expect lower rates as the items should not be kept in artificial rarity.
Just one more thing to address, the miner and producers. Well this is fairly easy. Just put bpc in the noble store. Everybody gets their share.

Just think of it as one more Intermediate step for your plex to take. Nothing really changes.

my two cents

Deimos

Sakura Zendragon
Posted - 2011.06.23 16:38:00 - [1516]
 

Edited by: Sakura Zendragon on 23/06/2011 16:38:14
1516 posts and climbing. 16:38 UTC.

Guestimating blue bars sometime after 18:00 UTC to announce clarifications to be published tomorrow morning.
I'll wager #1999 for the blue bars.

Myra2007
Millstone Industries
Posted - 2011.06.23 16:38:00 - [1517]
 


Miilla
Minmatar
Hulkageddon Orphanage
Posted - 2011.06.23 16:38:00 - [1518]
 

Originally by: Deimos Wolf
I went through different stages of disbelief after the expansion came out.

First I thought :" Greedy sobs. How dare you ask 20 Bucks for a virtual piece of cloth?"
Then I tried to come up with some explanation. Main difference to most other item stores in other games is, that the wares in it can be purchased via the ingame market and currency.
So actually nothing changes. You purchase your plex, exchange it for aurum and then for isk.
Nothing changes for the isk for plex buyer.
Now the items in the noble store can be purchased. Since you have a currency transition inbetween, there is no need for a single player to invest 4 Plexes into one monocle. Actually few will.
You can buy the Noble items on aurum based of plexes of ten or more players, thus creating necessary rarity as the number of incoming plexes and with it aurum is limited.
Having said that I still think prices are too steep and ccp ought have put out an explanation beforehand.
The above is all fine for me. Where it stops is the notion of game changing items in the store.
Wben these come and price relation stays high, then a normal grunt would have to grind too long to get the items. So here one would expect lower rates as the items should not be kept in artificial rarity.
Just one more thing to address, the miner and producers. Well this is fairly easy. Just put bpc in the noble store. Everybody gets their share.

Just think of it as one more Intermediate step for your plex to take. Nothing really changes.

my two cents

Deimos



And the Blueprints in the NEX store will be 1 RUN REMAINING COPIES, like the LP store and cost you 200 bucks.

Reed Tiburon
Caldari
Future Corps
Sleeper Social Club
Posted - 2011.06.23 16:41:00 - [1519]
 

Originally by: Myra2007
Please visit your user settings to re-enable images.

CCP right about now!

They're reading threads but they don't give enough of a **** to respond. All they do is lock threads.

Thanks for the customer service, CCP.

Zenethalos
Minmatar
Doesn't Afraid Of Anything
Posted - 2011.06.23 16:41:00 - [1520]
 

At first I had no issue with a bit of MT. I even thought I may invest in a plex to pimp out my avatar. I then saw the prices and was p/o'd but realized it is not something that I have to have in order to enjoy the game.

I do not like the idea of footing the bill to produce other releases. I also despise the idea of being able to buy power in the form of faction standings/special ammo/mods/ships. Let people play space barbie if they want to sink the extra money into it. Let people pay for stock ships/ammo/mods via plex. I only play about 2 hours a day at best and sometimes after a hefty loss will purchase GTC to recover.

It is too early too unsub my two accounts. It is also too early to rage at CCP for now blue bar. This is a large issue that warrants a real response from CCP in the form of a news release/blog release to address our concerns.









Captain Alcatraz
Heretic Academy
B A N E
Posted - 2011.06.23 16:42:00 - [1521]
 

Edited by: Captain Alcatraz on 23/06/2011 16:45:50
Quote:
Those same
players will buy PLEX without any
qualms to get instant access to
that ship they just “need to have
right now” and they might even
go as far as buying a $500 leather
jacket that matches the one their
avatar is wearing. And all of these
expenditures will actually
improve their experience of
the game and make them
feel better about it and
about themselves.


So wrong, it simply breaks the immersion u [email protected] Leave psychology 101 in high school, you're disconnected from the playerbase

Waiting for official reply before unsubbing

HeIIfire11
Posted - 2011.06.23 16:42:00 - [1522]
 

Originally by: Miilla


Meh, I still don't want to log in.





I have had that feeling for like 2 years lol. I've been paying to skill. This patch changes nothing.

Judicator Saturnius
Amarr
Viziam
Posted - 2011.06.23 16:44:00 - [1523]
 

Originally by: HeIIfire11
Originally by: Miilla


Meh, I still don't want to log in.





I have had that feeling for like 2 years lol. I've been paying to skill. This patch changes nothing.


Such masochism.

Dirk Magnum
Blue Republic
RvB - BLUE Republic
Posted - 2011.06.23 16:45:00 - [1524]
 

Originally by: Zedah Zoid
Originally by: Brainless Bimbo
CCP corporate culture is no longer griefer icelander, its big corporate america, accept it, you have become a revenue input to maximise at every opportunity.


Who is the financial man, Joe Gallo, where did he come from: MD at Citigroup 1994 – 2008 (14 years)



This should not be overlooked.

It is, however, something I'd rather not have known if true. Thanks a lot CCP you've shown me that ignorance really can be bliss Crying or Very sad

Pat Morrison
Posted - 2011.06.23 16:45:00 - [1525]
 

Originally by: Bologna Brains
Edited by: Bologna Brains on 23/06/2011 16:32:55
Dust: "...to offset the cost of freeloading spectators Dust will have a nominal cover charge..." (i love it when you speak dirty)"

My favorite one thus far; wonder what us capsuleers are called?


Suckers.

Florestan Bronstein
24th Imperial Crusade
Posted - 2011.06.23 16:45:00 - [1526]
 

Edited by: Florestan Bronstein on 23/06/2011 16:48:43
Originally by: Brainless Bimbo
Originally by: Othran


tl;dr were the major holders of stockpiled PLEX to organise in a certain way then CCPs cashflow would be impacted in a non-trivial way (IMHO and I have no knowledge of CCPs current finances).


Surely the company could (in fact should) set aside the revenue gained by converting GTC´s to Plex into an escrow account and earn interest on it until they are utilised, that what they should be doing instead of being short sighted imbecilic greedy ****s.

if earning interest on the money gives you higher returns than investing it into your own company then you're doing it wrong.

If it doesn't why would you want to do this?

edit: if you run into cash flow issues you should generally be able to borrow on your investments at a lower interest rate than these investments will net you (risk-adjusted)...
Letting cash sit in bank accounts is usually stupid (unless you plan an acquisition, have reached your optimal company size, want to avoid taxes on capital import, ...).

Miilla
Minmatar
Hulkageddon Orphanage
Posted - 2011.06.23 16:45:00 - [1527]
 

Originally by: HeIIfire11
Originally by: Miilla


Meh, I still don't want to log in.





I have had that feeling for like 2 years lol. I've been paying to skill. This patch changes nothing.


Meh, Until all this is sorted out one way or another, I am doing what a company should never want.

Browsing COMPETITOR products.


Lord Cath
Amarr
Gung-Ho
Posted - 2011.06.23 16:47:00 - [1528]
 

Originally by: Tjarf
Originally by: Jade Constantine
Here is the problem Verone. Sure when you have been playing Eve as long as we have you learn to take the rough with the smooth but you do so with the general feeling that CCP developers understand and “get” what makes Eve great – and that’s the problem now. This internal newsletter (if real) shows that one of the leading developers does not “get eve” does not care about eve, and simply sees eve as a cash cow to be milked ferociously to fund other projects. This is about keeping the golden goose of eve subscriptions (on a drip feed if necessary) while chasing and grubbing every little loose cent he can from the player base.

Let me give you a couple of examples of how this can and does (and has already) impacted our enjoyment of this game:

1. The Captains Quarters – it’s not gameplay its a display cabinet for vanity items. And the price of this display cabinet for you and I is that multi-client performance in stations is now terrible – if you have a bad graphic card it’s a jerk fest – if you have a decent graphics card it’s heat-fest. I can run 3-4 clients with CQ’s turned on – I can run it smoothly – but do I want to? Hell no because my Gtx 580 sounds like its melting my motherboard now! So I need to turn off the CQ’s on multiple accounts and as a result have more limited functionality on those accounts and an ugly wallpaper. No more station environment, no more clicking on my ship to open cargo hold, no more dragging ship to the hanger to board it. The delivery of the CQ vanity item display case has impacted my gameplay.

CCP could have made it optional and given us the option of keeping the old hanger view and added a “disembark ship” option to the UI but “oh no” to do that would have meant we weren’t being forced to look the vanity display case that marketing insisted must be front and centre if we’re to even think about buying these ridiculously overpriced items from the Noble store.

2. If you read the newsletter you’ll see reference to saved fitting slots – and I don’t know about you Verone but in JF we’ve run out of saved corp ship fittings. We want CCP to up the limit but is that really going to happen while the “biz-devs” talk honeyed words about how to squeeze extra income from players for such “minor upgrades.”?

3. Who develops these vanity items? Yes thats right its Eve artists and developers whose salary we pay with our subscriptions. Given the choice wouldn’t you rather than engine trials and flashy cyno effect rather than a bunch of overpriced tat in the Aur store? Because that is precisely the compromise being made here -> CCP using our subs money to pay for vanity item production they want to sell back to us for greedy prices and it is something you SHOULD get mad about.

Here’s the thing. The time to fight for the game we love is not in six months time when these concepts have bedded down and CCP is feeling bold enough to start selling Noble Faction ammo and +9 implants. The time to fight is now. Because this newsletter embodies everything that many of us feared but didn’t want to believe CCP were becoming capable of. It is a massive betrayal of the compact we shared as players and developers of this game and indicates that CCP is preparing to leap down a very dark and deep path of self-immolation in the months to come.

I don’t want to see Eve Online die Verone. That sounds dramatic I know, but gameworlds die when the dreams and visions are extinguished and that can happen through a succession of bad ideas foisted on a community by people who really don’t have much of a clue in business.


Signed


nicely worded... +1

Pure Tabasco
Posted - 2011.06.23 16:47:00 - [1529]
 

Originally by: Miilla
Originally by: HeIIfire11
Originally by: Miilla


Meh, I still don't want to log in.





I have had that feeling for like 2 years lol. I've been paying to skill. This patch changes nothing.


Meh, Until all this is sorted out one way or another, I am doing what a company should never want.

Browsing COMPETITOR products.



I am thinking about X-Rebirth you know. I´m feeling over with MMOs.

Deep Violet
Posted - 2011.06.23 16:47:00 - [1530]
 

Originally by: Miilla
Originally by: HeIIfire11
Originally by: Miilla


Meh, I still don't want to log in.





I have had that feeling for like 2 years lol. I've been paying to skill. This patch changes nothing.


Meh, Until all this is sorted out one way or another, I am doing what a company should never want.

Browsing COMPETITOR products.




doing that now as well ...sad part is it seems all other spacelike MMOs have MTs already :/


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