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Cipher Jones
Minmatar
Posted - 2011.06.23 15:32:00 - [1441]
 

Originally by: Landlady
Originally by: leth ghost
not far off hitting the 24 hour mark now and still no response, nice way to show you care about your player base !!!!!

a hang on they dont they make us try and think they do to milk us lol


That's because they are in meetings trying to figure out how to make a buck off of the outrage surrounding this leak :P




WTB DEV RESPONSE 100,000 AURUM.

Miilla
Minmatar
Hulkageddon Orphanage
Posted - 2011.06.23 15:32:00 - [1442]
 

Originally by: Othran
Originally by: Miilla
Originally by: Iloni Atoriandra
This is actually a buff to all old players who have tons of ISK laying around after years and years of accumulating wealth since now theres new stuff to waste it on so I celebrate it and await my tophat.


Yes for a while, UNTIL PLEX dry up. then their ISK BUYS NOTHING.



I see you changed your mind then Wink

The way to imagine the stockpiled PLEX is as a huge loan that can be called in at any time - ie CCP has to provide gametime on PLEX that potentially were bought years ago and the revenue has been spent.

Statistically its very unlikely that would happen in a short enough timescale to trouble CCP but remember that there are only 3 ways to remove a PLEX from game :

1) Redeem it for gametime;
2) Redeem it for Aurum;
3) Get it blown up/biomassed.

Got it now? Lots of older players hold what is effectively a loan on CCP - certainly a debit entry on the books if you see what I mean?

CCP wants to remove some of that potential liability. Hence making PLEX destroyable and now Aurum.

Whether this is to attract further investors is open to speculation.


Has there been a case involving this e-scenario?

Also, notice their EULA has a clause for LIMITED LIABILITY.

That is effectively signing away your right's, which in contractual law is a worthless clause.

The law states what liability they have, not their EULA :)

Would be nice to see a test case on this, I actually raised this "loan" issue in a previous thread a week or 2 ago where that "limited liability" clause was brought up, it really is a worthless clause, the law states the limits. Not the company.


Tea Ester Elliot
Posted - 2011.06.23 15:33:00 - [1443]
 

Originally by: Jade Constantine
Here is the problem Verone. Sure when you have been playing Eve as long as we have you learn to take the rough with the smooth but you do so with the general feeling that CCP developers understand and “get” what makes Eve great – and that’s the problem now. This internal newsletter (if real) shows that one of the leading developers does not “get eve” does not care about eve, and simply sees eve as a cash cow to be milked ferociously to fund other projects. This is about keeping the golden goose of eve subscriptions (on a drip feed if necessary) while chasing and grubbing every little loose cent he can from the player base.

Let me give you a couple of examples of how this can and does (and has already) impacted our enjoyment of this game:

1. The Captains Quarters – it’s not gameplay its a display cabinet for vanity items. And the price of this display cabinet for you and I is that multi-client performance in stations is now terrible – if you have a bad graphic card it’s a jerk fest – if you have a decent graphics card it’s heat-fest. I can run 3-4 clients with CQ’s turned on – I can run it smoothly – but do I want to? Hell no because my Gtx 580 sounds like its melting my motherboard now! So I need to turn off the CQ’s on multiple accounts and as a result have more limited functionality on those accounts and an ugly wallpaper. No more station environment, no more clicking on my ship to open cargo hold, no more dragging ship to the hanger to board it. The delivery of the CQ vanity item display case has impacted my gameplay.

CCP could have made it optional and given us the option of keeping the old hanger view and added a “disembark ship” option to the UI but “oh no” to do that would have meant we weren’t being forced to look the vanity display case that marketing insisted must be front and centre if we’re to even think about buying these ridiculously overpriced items from the Noble store.

2. If you read the newsletter you’ll see reference to saved fitting slots – and I don’t know about you Verone but in JF we’ve run out of saved corp ship fittings. We want CCP to up the limit but is that really going to happen while the “biz-devs” talk honeyed words about how to squeeze extra income from players for such “minor upgrades.”?

3. Who develops these vanity items? Yes thats right its Eve artists and developers whose salary we pay with our subscriptions. Given the choice wouldn’t you rather than engine trials and flashy cyno effect rather than a bunch of overpriced tat in the Aur store? Because that is precisely the compromise being made here -> CCP using our subs money to pay for vanity item production they want to sell back to us for greedy prices and it is something you SHOULD get mad about.

Here’s the thing. The time to fight for the game we love is not in six months time when these concepts have bedded down and CCP is feeling bold enough to start selling Noble Faction ammo and +9 implants. The time to fight is now. Because this newsletter embodies everything that many of us feared but didn’t want to believe CCP were becoming capable of. It is a massive betrayal of the compact we shared as players and developers of this game and indicates that CCP is preparing to leap down a very dark and deep path of self-immolation in the months to come.

I don’t want to see Eve Online die Verone. That sounds dramatic I know, but gameworlds die when the dreams and visions are extinguished and that can happen through a succession of bad ideas foisted on a community by people who really don’t have much of a clue in business.


Our anthem.

Nak hak
Posted - 2011.06.23 15:34:00 - [1444]
 

I am passing this link on to friends. They need to have this information.

Miilla
Minmatar
Hulkageddon Orphanage
Posted - 2011.06.23 15:35:00 - [1445]
 


I actually have NOT logged in since this news broke, yesterday I was exploring CQ.

Since this news broke, havn't really been interested in logging on, still havn'.

I also have lost interested in developing tools / libraries / apps on top of the Eve API.

Screw it.


Brokers Clone
Amarr
Northgate
Posted - 2011.06.23 15:36:00 - [1446]
 

Originally by: Tea Ester Elliot
Welp, time to begin the F5 threadnaught vigil.

/coffee

I've got money to burn so, anyone who guesses the post # of the first CCP reply gets 2billion isk. I'll be doling out more of my old-money-isk as the night progresses. I have in excess of 140bilion liquid at the moment, so stay tuned.


hmmmm.... 1652?

leth ghost
Posted - 2011.06.23 15:37:00 - [1447]
 

Edited by: leth ghost on 23/06/2011 15:38:55
Originally by: Miilla

I actually have NOT logged in since this news broke, yesterday I was exploring CQ.

Since this news broke, havn't really been interested in logging on, still havn'.

I also have lost interested in developing tools / libraries / apps on top of the Eve API.

Screw it.




i have not logged in world of tanks has nearly down loaded going to go blow stuff up on that to release anger lol

oooo only a few hundred views off going past the most viewed sticky on the thread that is 2 years old and all in less than 24 hours

Miilla
Minmatar
Hulkageddon Orphanage
Posted - 2011.06.23 15:38:00 - [1448]
 

Edited by: Miilla on 23/06/2011 15:38:44
Edited by: Miilla on 23/06/2011 15:38:10




C C P = Company Conning Players



At least I admit to scamming in Eve.


Btw, I have a huge stockpile of fitted Hulks if anybody wants them for 190m each, name as many as you want, you can have them at bulk discount, fitted.

Dividius
Minmatar
PORUS- InterStellar Mining Corporation
Posted - 2011.06.23 15:38:00 - [1449]
 

I don't really have a problem with EVE getting a cash shop, but I do think their prices are complete bull. When LotRO went F2P and added their store, they did it right. Cosmetics go for about $2-3. Most convenience items are usually around $5. CCP's prices are simply unacceptable to me, and I won't pay them. For the real-world-value of a monocle (which I think looks rather ugly anyway), I could get a six-month subscription. For the real-world-value of a pair of pants or shirt, I can easily feed my family of 4 one or two meals, or take my sons to a movie. If you look at the CCP merchandise store, you can get a ship model for $75 now. That's just slightly more than a monocle and will last a lifetime if you take care of it.

I've been with EVE about 6 months now and I've barely scratched the surface. I'm about 2/3 miner, 1/3 missioner, so I don't make a lot of ISK (still 70m from my first Hulk). My PVP encounters consisted of someone getting Concorded trying to gank my Retriever, and my Hurricane/Pod falling victim to campers at the Bei gate (thankfully I was wise enough to insure it when I saw the mission was in 0.4 space--one of those 'I have a bad feeling about this' moments). Anyway, I would consider myself a casual player, but I feel I fit in with a good portion of the EVE player base when I say CCP's implementation of their cash shop is a freighter load of crap.

My hope right now is that when I do eventually get my Hulk there will still be people around to buy the materials.

Delta Jax
NixCraft
Posted - 2011.06.23 15:38:00 - [1450]
 

Originally by: Erichan
Buddy of mine just suggested the Plex for CCP stock campaign! Let the playerbase buy the company using plex. Think of the metagaming possibilities!




I second this, but be advised, stockholders like to see bigger returns, MT would technically be a win for them, but losing repeat customers due to fail business plans and ceo vision would result in a lot of forced "Executive" resignations...

Serious internet spaceships business just got real ccp, there is no win/win here for your customers here, just you killing the golden goose.

You need to do some major staff "restructuring" as there is a serious disconnect between you and your customers.. if i worked there I would be worried of long term job stability

Abelard Nightbringer
New Foundation
Posted - 2011.06.23 15:38:00 - [1451]
 

Originally by: Joao Duarte
Originally by: Abelard Nightbringer
Originally by: Quetazoid
Edited by: Quetazoid on 22/06/2011 21:07:52
nice leak.

and I agree with the statement Greed is Good:

lets explore the possibility of having to buy a item, for Example a faction POS with micro-plex.

Use ISK, convert to plex, convert to arum, buy POS.

How different is that to:

Use ISK, buy POS?

Infact, the richer get poorer (PLEX prices go up), that faction POS (or sub) will cost more.
The Poorer become richer (many sell PLEX for ISK) more expensive PLEX means more money for people who do MT.

So given the above paragraph, can someone point out the evil here? All I see is more of a equalizer between the rich and the poor (both in and out of game).


^^ This.


I think at least one of the problems there is that the POS you buy in the store wasn't manufactured, like the clothes and monocles aren't manufactured by any player. At the moment if you buy a POS with ISK someone manufactured it using in game minerals or comodities that someone harvested somewhere in New Eden and got their ISK for it. Most people are against shortcuts provided by real world money.



oh, like faction drops, officer modules, and such, right? Noone seems to complain when they get stuff for free, which gets farmed, and overly saturated, and ******edly common soon enough, but when the opposite is even suggested everyone gets all up in arms about it. Sounds like a balancing act to me. How buying a pre-built POS with ISK (YES, u can buy plex with ISK) is any different than buying minerals and building it yourself is beyond me. You're still putting in something to receive something back.

Chagaline
Posted - 2011.06.23 15:39:00 - [1452]
 

Effective crisis communication strategies will typically consider achieving most, if not all, of the following objectives:

Maintain connectivity FAIL
Be readily accessible to the news media FAIL
Show empathy for the people involved FAIL
Allow distributed access FAIL
Streamline communication processes FAIL
Maintain information security FAIL
Ensure uninterrupted audit trails FAIL
Support multi-channel communications FAIL
Remove dependencies on paper based processes FAIL


hey CCP, WTB communication staff?

General Windypops
The Littlest Hobos
En Garde
Posted - 2011.06.23 15:39:00 - [1453]
 

I feel bad to say it, given how angry you lot clearly are, but I actually would really quite like a monocle.

Tea Ester Elliot
Posted - 2011.06.23 15:40:00 - [1454]
 

Originally by: Miilla

I actually have NOT logged in since this news broke, yesterday I was exploring CQ.

Since this news broke, havn't really been interested in logging on, still havn'.

I also have lost interested in developing tools / libraries / apps on top of the Eve API.

Screw it.




I'd assume most third party folks are in the same boat. The prospect of getting fleeced by CCP for what ammounts to doing them a favor is too much risk, espcially when they're clearly not interested in developing anything but MT for the future.

General Windypops
The Littlest Hobos
En Garde
Posted - 2011.06.23 15:42:00 - [1455]
 

Edited by: General Windypops on 23/06/2011 15:42:30
Originally by: Chagaline
Effective crisis communication strategies will typically consider achieving most, if not all, of the following objectives:

Maintain connectivity FAIL
Be readily accessible to the news media FAIL
Show empathy for the people involved FAIL
Allow distributed access FAIL
Streamline communication processes FAIL
Maintain information security FAIL
Ensure uninterrupted audit trails FAIL
Support multi-channel communications FAIL
Remove dependencies on paper based processes FAIL


hey CCP, WTB communication staff?


Trying to sound wise and informed on an internet forum will typically involve most, if not all, of the following activities:

- Copying and pasting something you googled [SUCCESS]
- Clicking submit with a sense of smug fulfillment. [SUCCESS}



Jefferson H Clay
Posted - 2011.06.23 15:43:00 - [1456]
 

Originally by: General Windypops
I feel bad to say it, given how angry you lot clearly are, but I actually would really quite like a monocle.



Go buy one. Although it doesn't actually look all that good from what I can see. Nothing awesome like you'd expect from having your eye socket removed and a hunk of machinery shoved in the hole... like scaring n' stuff.

Which is a pity.

Rodj Blake
Amarr
PIE Inc.
Posted - 2011.06.23 15:44:00 - [1457]
 

Originally by: Jade Constantine

Here is the problem Verone.

Sure when you have been playing Eve as long as we have you learn to take the rough with the smooth but you do so with the general feeling that CCP developers understand and “get” what makes Eve great – and that’s the problem now. This internal newsletter (if real) shows that one of the leading developers does not “get eve” does not care about eve, and simply sees eve as a cash cow to be milked ferociously to fund other projects. This is about keeping the golden goose of eve subscriptions (on a drip feed if necessary) while chasing and grubbing every little loose cent he can from the player base.

Let me give you a couple of examples of how this can and does (and has already) impacted our enjoyment of this game:

1. The Captains Quarters – it’s not gameplay its a display cabinet for vanity items. And the price of this display cabinet for you and I is that multi-client performance in stations is now terrible – if you have a bad graphic card it’s a jerk fest – if you have a decent graphics card it’s heat-fest. I can run 3-4 clients with CQ’s turned on – I can run it smoothly – but do I want to? Hell no because my Gtx 580 sounds like its melting my motherboard now! So I need to turn off the CQ’s on multiple accounts and as a result have more limited functionality on those accounts and an ugly wallpaper. No more station environment, no more clicking on my ship to open cargo hold, no more dragging ship to the hanger to board it. The delivery of the CQ vanity item display case has impacted my gameplay.

CCP could have made it optional and given us the option of keeping the old hanger view and added a “disembark ship” option to the UI but “oh no” to do that would have meant we weren’t being forced to look the vanity display case that marketing insisted must be front and centre if we’re to even think about buying these ridiculously overpriced items from the Noble store.

2. If you read the newsletter you’ll see reference to saved fitting slots – and I don’t know about you Verone but in JF we’ve run out of saved corp ship fittings. We want CCP to up the limit but is that really going to happen while the “biz-devs” talk honeyed words about how to squeeze extra income from players for such “minor upgrades.”? How long till we pay aurum for extra corp standing slots? For wardec options? For a usable corp management screen?

3. And who develops these vanity items? Yes thats right its Eve artists and developers whose salary we pay with our subscriptions. Given the choice wouldn’t you rather have engine trials and flashy cyno effect for all players rather than a bunch of overpriced tat in the Aur store for a fleeced few?

Because that is precisely the compromise being made here -> CCP using our subs money to pay for vanity item production they want to sell back to us for greedy prices and it is something you SHOULD get mad about.

So here’s the thing.

The time to fight for the game we love is not in six months time when these concepts have bedded down and CCP is feeling bold enough to start selling Noble Faction ammo and +9 implants. The time to fight is now. Because this newsletter embodies everything that many of us feared but didn’t want to believe CCP were becoming capable of. It is a massive betrayal of the compact we shared as players and developers of this game and indicates that CCP is preparing to leap down a very dark and deep path of self-immolation in the months to come.

I don’t want to see Eve Online die Verone. That sounds dramatic I know, but gameworlds die when the dreams and visions are extinguished and that can happen through a succession of bad ideas foisted on a community by people who really don't have much of a clue in business.


I agree with Jade.

Yes ladies and gentlemen, you heard that right.

I AGREE WITH JADE.

DO YOU SEE WHAT YOU'VE DONE CCP? WELL DO YOU?

Chagaline
Posted - 2011.06.23 15:45:00 - [1458]
 

Googling stuff doesnt make it wrong...and yes i didnt care to post a thesis on crisis communication or refering to valid sources, but again, its still not wrong.

Jefferson H Clay
Posted - 2011.06.23 15:45:00 - [1459]
 

Originally by: Rodj Blake

I AGREE WITH JADE.

DO YOU SEE WHAT YOU'VE DONE CCP? WELL DO YOU?


That's it, thread done. PIE agreeing with Star Fraction. Next Red v Blue will be singing Kumhyah together and we'll have dogs & cats living together.

Joao Duarte
Selflessness
Posted - 2011.06.23 15:47:00 - [1460]
 

Originally by: Abelard Nightbringer
Originally by: Joao Duarte
Originally by: Abelard Nightbringer
Originally by: Quetazoid
Edited by: Quetazoid on 22/06/2011 21:07:52
nice leak.

and I agree with the statement Greed is Good:

lets explore the possibility of having to buy a item, for Example a faction POS with micro-plex.

Use ISK, convert to plex, convert to arum, buy POS.

How different is that to:

Use ISK, buy POS?

Infact, the richer get poorer (PLEX prices go up), that faction POS (or sub) will cost more.
The Poorer become richer (many sell PLEX for ISK) more expensive PLEX means more money for people who do MT.

So given the above paragraph, can someone point out the evil here? All I see is more of a equalizer between the rich and the poor (both in and out of game).


^^ This.


I think at least one of the problems there is that the POS you buy in the store wasn't manufactured, like the clothes and monocles aren't manufactured by any player. At the moment if you buy a POS with ISK someone manufactured it using in game minerals or comodities that someone harvested somewhere in New Eden and got their ISK for it. Most people are against shortcuts provided by real world money.



oh, like faction drops, officer modules, and such, right? Noone seems to complain when they get stuff for free, which gets farmed, and overly saturated, and ******edly common soon enough, but when the opposite is even suggested everyone gets all up in arms about it. Sounds like a balancing act to me. How buying a pre-built POS with ISK (YES, u can buy plex with ISK) is any different than buying minerals and building it yourself is beyond me. You're still putting in something to receive something back.


I agree that the system is in already, but to expand it even more... I know what you mean, I guess it depends on the amount of stuff they put in the store and how necessary those are to play the game efficiently.

Land0 CaIrissian
Gallente
The Scope
Posted - 2011.06.23 15:49:00 - [1461]
 

Originally by: Jade Constantine
Here is the problem Verone.

Sure when you have been playing Eve as long as we have you learn to take the rough with the smooth but you do so with the general feeling that CCP developers understand and “get” what makes Eve great – and that’s the problem now. This internal newsletter (if real) shows that one of the leading developers does not “get eve” does not care about eve, and simply sees eve as a cash cow to be milked ferociously to fund other projects. This is about keeping the golden goose of eve subscriptions (on a drip feed if necessary) while chasing and grubbing every little loose cent he can from the player base.

Let me give you a couple of examples of how this can and does (and has already) impacted our enjoyment of this game:

1. The Captains Quarters – it’s not gameplay its a display cabinet for vanity items. And the price of this display cabinet for you and I is that multi-client performance in stations is now terrible – if you have a bad graphic card it’s a jerk fest – if you have a decent graphics card it’s heat-fest. I can run 3-4 clients with CQ’s turned on – I can run it smoothly – but do I want to? Hell no because my Gtx 580 sounds like its melting my motherboard now! So I need to turn off the CQ’s on multiple accounts and as a result have more limited functionality on those accounts and an ugly wallpaper. No more station environment, no more clicking on my ship to open cargo hold, no more dragging ship to the hanger to board it. The delivery of the CQ vanity item display case has impacted my gameplay.

CCP could have made it optional and given us the option of keeping the old hanger view and added a “disembark ship” option to the UI but “oh no” to do that would have meant we weren’t being forced to look the vanity display case that marketing insisted must be front and centre if we’re to even think about buying these ridiculously overpriced items from the Noble store.

2. If you read the newsletter you’ll see reference to saved fitting slots – and I don’t know about you Verone but in JF we’ve run out of saved corp ship fittings. We want CCP to up the limit but is that really going to happen while the “biz-devs” talk honeyed words about how to squeeze extra income from players for such “minor upgrades.”? How long till we pay aurum for extra corp standing slots? For wardec options? For a usable corp management screen?

3. And who develops these vanity items? Yes thats right its Eve artists and developers whose salary we pay with our subscriptions. Given the choice wouldn’t you rather have engine trials and flashy cyno effect for all players rather than a bunch of overpriced tat in the Aur store for a fleeced few?

Because that is precisely the compromise being made here -> CCP using our subs money to pay for vanity item production they want to sell back to us for greedy prices and it is something you SHOULD get mad about.

So here’s the thing.

The time to fight for the game we love is not in six months time when these concepts have bedded down and CCP is feeling bold enough to start selling Noble Faction ammo and +9 implants. The time to fight is now. Because this newsletter embodies everything that many of us feared but didn’t want to believe CCP were becoming capable of. It is a massive betrayal of the compact we shared as players and developers of this game and indicates that CCP is preparing to leap down a very dark and deep path of self-immolation in the months to come.

I don’t want to see Eve Online die Verone. That sounds dramatic I know, but gameworlds die when the dreams and visions are extinguished and that can happen through a succession of bad ideas foisted on a community by people who really don't have much of a clue in business.


+10

My 3 accounts hang in the balance of CCP's response.

i hatechosingnames
Gallente
SUNDERING
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2011.06.23 15:50:00 - [1462]
 


Miilla
Minmatar
Hulkageddon Orphanage
Posted - 2011.06.23 15:51:00 - [1463]
 



CSM should quit. You are just dancing clown dressed monkeys in this.

They are worthless anyway, 14% csm vote turnout, and also no bite.

CSM are lied to, CSM just dance about like monkeys to CCP's tune.




Erichan
Posted - 2011.06.23 15:52:00 - [1464]
 

Originally by: Delta Jax
Originally by: Erichan
Buddy of mine just suggested the Plex for CCP stock campaign! Let the playerbase buy the company using plex. Think of the metagaming possibilities!




I second this, but be advised, stockholders like to see bigger returns, MT would technically be a win for them, but losing repeat customers due to fail business plans and ceo vision would result in a lot of forced "Executive" resignations...

Serious internet spaceships business just got real ccp, there is no win/win here for your customers here, just you killing the golden goose.

You need to do some major staff "restructuring" as there is a serious disconnect between you and your customers.. if i worked there I would be worried of long term job stability



The point would be they could raise money for WOD and we'd get more of a say in how ccp operates. Though based on what I am seeing it may be too late...

FunzzeR
Legion of the Scottish Fold
Posted - 2011.06.23 15:53:00 - [1465]
 

Originally by: Jade Constantine
Here is the problem Verone. Sure when you have been playing Eve as long as we have you learn to take the rough with the smooth but you do so with the general feeling that CCP developers understand and “get” what makes Eve great – and that’s the problem now. This internal newsletter (if real) shows that one of the leading developers does not “get eve” does not care about eve, and simply sees eve as a cash cow to be milked ferociously to fund other projects. This is about keeping the golden goose of eve subscriptions (on a drip feed if necessary) while chasing and grubbing every little loose cent he can from the player base.

Let me give you a couple of examples of how this can and does (and has already) impacted our enjoyment of this game:

1. The Captains Quarters – it’s not gameplay its a display cabinet for vanity items. And the price of this display cabinet for you and I is that multi-client performance in stations is now terrible – if you have a bad graphic card it’s a jerk fest – if you have a decent graphics card it’s heat-fest. I can run 3-4 clients with CQ’s turned on – I can run it smoothly – but do I want to? Hell no because my Gtx 580 sounds like its melting my motherboard now! So I need to turn off the CQ’s on multiple accounts and as a result have more limited functionality on those accounts and an ugly wallpaper. No more station environment, no more clicking on my ship to open cargo hold, no more dragging ship to the hanger to board it. The delivery of the CQ vanity item display case has impacted my gameplay.

CCP could have made it optional and given us the option of keeping the old hanger view and added a “disembark ship” option to the UI but “oh no” to do that would have meant we weren’t being forced to look the vanity display case that marketing insisted must be front and centre if we’re to even think about buying these ridiculously overpriced items from the Noble store.

2. If you read the newsletter you’ll see reference to saved fitting slots – and I don’t know about you Verone but in JF we’ve run out of saved corp ship fittings. We want CCP to up the limit but is that really going to happen while the “biz-devs” talk honeyed words about how to squeeze extra income from players for such “minor upgrades.”?

3. Who develops these vanity items? Yes thats right its Eve artists and developers whose salary we pay with our subscriptions. Given the choice wouldn’t you rather than engine trials and flashy cyno effect rather than a bunch of overpriced tat in the Aur store? Because that is precisely the compromise being made here -> CCP using our subs money to pay for vanity item production they want to sell back to us for greedy prices and it is something you SHOULD get mad about.

Here’s the thing. The time to fight for the game we love is not in six months time when these concepts have bedded down and CCP is feeling bold enough to start selling Noble Faction ammo and +9 implants. The time to fight is now. Because this newsletter embodies everything that many of us feared but didn’t want to believe CCP were becoming capable of. It is a massive betrayal of the compact we shared as players and developers of this game and indicates that CCP is preparing to leap down a very dark and deep path of self-immolation in the months to come.

I don’t want to see Eve Online die Verone. That sounds dramatic I know, but gameworlds die when the dreams and visions are extinguished and that can happen through a succession of bad ideas foisted on a community by people who really don’t have much of a clue in business.


Quoting Jade Constantine's best post ever...

Kalissa
Sacred Templars
RED.OverLord
Posted - 2011.06.23 15:53:00 - [1466]
 

To be honest, I never really had any problem with the sale of so called "vanity items" the fact that they're insanely priced is CCP's fault, if anyone is dumb enough to pay more for a virtual set of pants then they'd pay for a real pair then obviously they have more money than sense.

CCP made this big speech about the arrival of the new currency Aurum about it just being for vanity items, things which aside from maybe being traded on the market would have no effect on Eve itself, the very fact they have started to think about selling faction standings and weapons for real life cash somehow feels like they're betraying an understanding between the company and us the comsumer that RL cash that you did or didn't have would not be a factor in how good or powerful you would be at Eve, and believe me bringing in weapons that can only be bought for cash sure as hell breaks that understanding.

CCP sure do love Eve of that I have no doubt, but now I'm starting to realise it's only because it's a golden goose by which they wanna get every penny they can out of us.

The fact no CCP person has spoken pretty much tells us it's the truth and they've been told to stay off the subject. No doubt at some point they'll make an announcement about how they were only floating ideas about, maybe these changes will happen, maybe they won't. I for one am very glad some CCP employee had the integrity to leak this, because if they hadn't CCP would surely have implemented it down the road, smiled at us while they did and pocketed our cash while thinking "SUCKER!!"

Shame on you CCP.

Pesadel0
the muppets
RED.OverLord
Posted - 2011.06.23 15:53:00 - [1467]
 

Originally by: Rodj Blake
Originally by: Jade Constantine

Here is the problem Verone.

Sure when you have been playing Eve as long as we have you learn to take the rough with the smooth but you do so with the general feeling that CCP developers understand and “get” what makes Eve great – and that’s the problem now. This internal newsletter (if real) shows that one of the leading developers does not “get eve” does not care about eve, and simply sees eve as a cash cow to be milked ferociously to fund other projects. This is about keeping the golden goose of eve subscriptions (on a drip feed if necessary) while chasing and grubbing every little loose cent he can from the player base.

Let me give you a couple of examples of how this can and does (and has already) impacted our enjoyment of this game:

1. The Captains Quarters – it’s not gameplay its a display cabinet for vanity items. And the price of this display cabinet for you and I is that multi-client performance in stations is now terrible – if you have a bad graphic card it’s a jerk fest – if you have a decent graphics card it’s heat-fest. I can run 3-4 clients with CQ’s turned on – I can run it smoothly – but do I want to? Hell no because my Gtx 580 sounds like its melting my motherboard now! So I need to turn off the CQ’s on multiple accounts and as a result have more limited functionality on those accounts and an ugly wallpaper. No more station environment, no more clicking on my ship to open cargo hold, no more dragging ship to the hanger to board it. The delivery of the CQ vanity item display case has impacted my gameplay.

CCP could have made it optional and given us the option of keeping the old hanger view and added a “disembark ship” option to the UI but “oh no” to do that would have meant we weren’t being forced to look the vanity display case that marketing insisted must be front and centre if we’re to even think about buying these ridiculously overpriced items from the Noble store.

2. If you read the newsletter you’ll see reference to saved fitting slots – and I don’t know about you Verone but in JF we’ve run out of saved corp ship fittings. We want CCP to up the limit but is that really going to happen while the “biz-devs” talk honeyed words about how to squeeze extra income from players for such “minor upgrades.”? How long till we pay aurum for extra corp standing slots? For wardec options? For a usable corp management screen?

3. And who develops these vanity items? Yes thats right its Eve artists and developers whose salary we pay with our subscriptions. Given the choice wouldn’t you rather have engine trials and flashy cyno effect for all players rather than a bunch of overpriced tat in the Aur store for a fleeced few?

Because that is precisely the compromise being made here -> CCP using our subs money to pay for vanity item production they want to sell back to us for greedy prices and it is something you SHOULD get mad about.

So here’s the thing.

The time to fight for the game we love is not in six months time when these concepts have bedded down and CCP is feeling bold enough to start selling Noble Faction ammo and +9 implants. The time to fight is now. Because this newsletter embodies everything that many of us feared but didn’t want to believe CCP were becoming capable of. It is a massive betrayal of the compact we shared as players and developers of this game and indicates that CCP is preparing to leap down a very dark and deep path of self-immolation in the months to come.

I don’t want to see Eve Online die Verone. That sounds dramatic I know, but gameworlds die when the dreams and visions are extinguished and that can happen through a succession of bad ideas foisted on a community by people who really don't have much of a clue in business.


I agree with Jade.

Yes ladies and gentlemen, you heard that right.

I AGREE WITH JADE.

DO YOU SEE WHAT YOU'VE DONE CCP? WELL DO YOU?


Agreed 100% .

SketS47
Minmatar
Alpha Intellectual Military Solutions
Alpha Intergalactic Mythogenesis
Posted - 2011.06.23 15:54:00 - [1468]
 

Dropping all subs but one YARRRR!! and i'll start looking for a new game.. wont be long now Wink


Jefferson H Clay
Posted - 2011.06.23 15:56:00 - [1469]
 

A hypothesis and a question, for anyone left reading this thread.

Let us say, just hypothetically, that CCP are in a bit of financial trouble. EVE is the current cash producing product, Dust's dev costs went mental & WoD is taking longer than anticipated. Hypothetically you understand would you of prefered them to up the subs cost for a dollar or so a month or a $60 monacle?

Curious is all.

Miilla
Minmatar
Hulkageddon Orphanage
Posted - 2011.06.23 15:57:00 - [1470]
 

Edited by: Miilla on 23/06/2011 15:58:07



I cannot wait for Microtransactions everywhere.

Hurry up CCP! Roll em out!



Then I have an excuse to find a new MMO other wise I will just go back to my non subscription games :)

I need a change anyway. Just motivate me CCP please?


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